I run a firestorm detachment . I will be participating in adepticon here in Illinois. I’m definitely running landraider redeemer with 6 aggressors (with flamers) and my captain in Gravis with the enhancement (forged in battle) with power fist, bolt storm gauntlet, and relic chainsword. This combo is very deadly . Not to mention all the free stratagams!!

You were looking for some Firestorm lists. Here is one I have had quite a lot of success with. Term Chaplain with Assault Terms and Lemartes with Death Company. Techmarine works with the Vindicator to keep it ticking until it seems difficult to sustain then switches to the pred destructor or ballistus. Death Company is usually a rapid ingress threat to counter punch opponents when they break through an objective or to defend my deployment zone. Generally will go to center with the Redeemer and Terminators. I am only running the Assault variants due to giving several models 4 wounds and make them harder to kill. I like using them as a magnet to unleash Overwatch with the Redeemer plus twin linked lightning claws wounding on 4s or 5s is deceptively not bad. Thunderstrike pairs well with the Predators/Redeemer or any of the other high strength vehicles. Scouts and Inceptors to have some scoring units. Pred Destructor or Ballistus watches home plate. Sinnamon Toast Crunch (1990 points) Space Marines Blood Angels Strike Force (2000 points) Firestorm Assault Force CHARACTERS Chaplain in Terminator Armour (75 points) • Warlord • 1x Crozius arcanum 1x Storm bolter Lemartes (110 points) • 1x Bolt Pistol 1x The Blood Crozius Techmarine (55 points) • 1x Forge bolter 1x Grav-pistol 1x Omnissian power axe 1x Servo-arm OTHER DATASHEETS Baal Predator (125 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Baal flamestorm cannon 2x Heavy bolter 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Baal Predator (125 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Baal flamestorm cannon 2x Heavy flamer 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Ballistus Dreadnought (140 points) • 1x Armoured feet 1x Ballistus lascannon 1x Ballistus missile launcher 1x Twin storm bolter Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (260 points) • 10x Death Company Marine with Jump Pack • 5x Hand flamer 5x Inferno pistol 10x Power fist Inceptor Squad (110 points) • 1x Inceptor Sergeant • 1x Assault bolters 1x Close combat weapon • 2x Inceptor • 2x Assault bolters 2x Close combat weapon Land Raider Redeemer (260 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Flamestorm cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Multi-melta 1x Storm bolter 1x Twin assault cannon Predator Destructor (130 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Hunter-killer missile 2x Lascannon 1x Predator autocannon 1x Storm bolter Scout Squad (55 points) • 1x Scout Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Combat knife • 4x Scout • 1x Astartes shotgun 4x Bolt pistol 4x Close combat weapon 1x Combat knife 1x Heavy bolter 1x Scout sniper rifle Storm Speeder Thunderstrike (160 points) • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Stormfury missiles 1x Thunderstrike las-talon 1x Twin Icarus rocket pod Terminator Assault Squad (195 points) • 1x Assault Terminator Sergeant • 1x Storm Shield 1x Thunder hammer • 4x Assault Terminator • 2x Storm Shield 2x Thunder hammer 2x Twin lightning claws Vindicator (190 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Demolisher cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Exported with App Version: v1.9.0 (35), Data Version: v322

I’ve been using the Redeemer since the start of 10th. As long as I dont get the giggles to get it into action ASAP. (Getting it out on the open immediately) It does the work. Been running it with Flamer Aggresors and Gravis Captain. In a Firestorm detachment

hey John! before Sons of sanguinius detachment was finally great, i was running a firestorm detachment. look at that : -1 land raider redeemer with 6 flamer aggressors and 1 gravis captain. this payload is amazing and thanks to free strat and 2-CP battle tactics strat getting flamer weapon the devastating wound keyword, and twin-linked on aggressors flamers... you begin to throw 6 to 10 DW before charging. without counting that flamestorm cannons of the Land raider are now S7, so wounding anything tough on 5+, which is nightmarish for the opponent. -2 predator baal, throwing D6+3 S7 AP-2 D2 shots and 2D6 S6 AP-1 D1 shots, the scariest anti-deepstrike unit you can have!! -1 libby dread, jumping the eradicators where it matters -6 eradicators, eradicating things -Lemartes + 10 DC jumpacks in power fist and FLAMERS (yes because 10D6 of S4 flamers can do 8 DW to anyone) -3x5 scouts -2x3 plasma inceptors I ran that at a 6-man team tournament and worked quite well! that was getting me a 20-0 against death guard, a 11-9 against 3 cultist-mob list CSM, a draw against a 3 6-wraiths / 3 c,tan list, a 19-1 against Tyranids and a 14-6 against Grey knights.

I've ran the Redeemer twice in Ironstorm in my last 2 games, won both. Im impressed, and that was with nothing in it just purely for infantry killing and overwatch. HK and meltas actually quite useful for additional wounds..plus.. GRENADES, so Is the assault cannon as twin linked against chaff it doesnt suck too bad especially if there was a buff strat that has been used. Twin flamestorm definitely rips on shooting plus overwatch to thin the horde charging that then bounce of the T12 2+ save. I'm running a Firestorm list next. Flamer aggressors and captain inside Redeemer. Move 12", disembark 3" immolation strat for free with cap to give dev wounds and go fishing. Can use crucible of battle too for -1 to wound. Then charge with 18PF Captain has 6 S11 attacks in melee with enhancement. Eradicators with biologis and enhancement give 1 guaranteed lethal every turn and S10 meltas. Libby dread to teleport them and cent devs around,.. but..everything also has assault so can advance and shoot those slow units a better distance.. the vinidcators for example. Burn it (2000 points) Space Marines Blood Angels Strike Force (2000 points) Firestorm Assault Force CHARACTERS Apothecary Biologis (70 points) • Warlord • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon • Enhancement: Forged in Battle Captain in Gravis Armour (105 points) • 1x Master-crafted heavy bolt rifle 1x Master-crafted power weapon • Enhancement: War-tempered Artifice The Sanguinor (140 points) • 1x Encarmine broadsword OTHER DATASHEETS Aggressor Squad (220 points) • 1x Aggressor Sergeant • 1x Flamestorm gauntlets 1x Twin power fists • 5x Aggressor • 5x Flamestorm gauntlets 5x Twin power fists Baal Predator (125 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Baal flamestorm cannon 2x Heavy bolter 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Centurion Devastator Squad (175 points) • 1x Devastator Centurion Sergeant • 1x Centurion fists 1x Centurion missile launcher 1x Twin lascannon • 2x Devastator Centurion • 2x Centurion fists 2x Centurion missile launcher 2x Twin lascannon Eradicator Squad (190 points) • 1x Eradicator Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Melta rifle • 5x Eradicator • 5x Bolt pistol 5x Close combat weapon 3x Melta rifle 2x Multi-melta Inceptor Squad (110 points) • 1x Inceptor Sergeant • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Plasma exterminators • 2x Inceptor • 2x Close combat weapon 2x Plasma exterminators Land Raider Redeemer (260 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Flamestorm cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Multi-melta 1x Storm bolter 1x Twin assault cannon Librarian Dreadnought (170 points) • 1x Blood Lance 1x Furioso fist 1x Furioso force halberd 1x Storm bolter Scout Squad (55 points) • 1x Scout Sergeant • 1x Astartes chainsword 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Scout • 1x Astartes shotgun 4x Bolt pistol 1x Boltgun 4x Close combat weapon 1x Missile launcher 1x Scout sniper rifle Vindicator (190 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Demolisher cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Vindicator (190 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Demolisher cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Exported with App Version: v1.9.0 (35), Data Version: v322

I've got a spicy flame based BA Firestorm waiting in the wings for a few more points drops this Thursday! Fingers crossed!

Great breakdown John! Been itching to get one of these to compliment 2x BBQ Baals. They were my MVPs at Nottingham GT last weekend and this bad boy would be great to alongside them

Gotta thank you for making me realize that the Redeemer/Crusader have Grenades keyword. I have been running a Redeemer since July and never had a clue

The Redeemer doesn't get +1 to wound in Anvil, as it doesn't have the Heavy tag already. It would gain the Heavy tag, but all it would get is +1 to hit, which doesn't apply to Torrent weapons anyway. Insofar as Heavy on Overwatch is concerned, no - Heavy specifically states that you have to have remained stationary _this turn_ which is impossible seeing as you can't move in your opponent's turn. Interestingly though, the Executioner benefits massively from Anvil, getting +1 to wound on the main gun, so against anything that doesn't have Stealth or -1 to wound, you're both hitting and wounding anything in the game on a 2+. Combined with the strat that gives sustained hits and exploding fives when stationary, it's pretty savage. I've taken out Questoris Knights and Land Raiders with one volley. It does require you to be quite stationary, but you can set it up at a point where anyone coming for it needs to take it out with one shot, or be taken out in return.

Land Raider Redeemer is a perfect escort for any kind of deathstar units you want to take them to the mid board and upwards (e.x aggressor + biologis w/ fire discipline, 10 hellblasters, squad 6 bgv with chars, or even death company on foot with Chaplain). I always have trust issues with my lists when there are combinations without Land Raider Redeemer, not a single one game that Land Raider failed me, even if that game I lost, I never have any complaints with it. Totally recommend! Repulsor Ex is more beneficial if you play Ironstorm detachment army, it really shines if you have endgame plan for it

Might be worth noting that even if you give the flamers Assault from the Firestorm Detachment, that does _not_ grant the ability for passengers to disembark & charge after the vehicle made an Advance move - only after a Normal move, as the ability states.

I love my Redeemer! Have not been using it past few months, trying different combos atm, but it was my 2nd best unit after my van Vets at NOVA last year. Waiting for dataslate to drop before I try a Firestorm Detachment, but I have a similar idea with Redeemers and Baal Preds I want to try out.

Played some games at my local gamestore. A lot of the grievances you brought up for the Repulsor Executioner were the same problems I was getting in my games; high point cost, all or nothing feeling to the Laser Destroyer, the remaining guns weren't impressive (for the point cost) against infantry and struggled against light tanks. I've been looking to revise my list and the alternatives you mention sound good. I'm a fan of Space Marine Dreadnoughts so I'm going to try switching it out for a Ballistus. I've only started playing recently and finding videos like these helps a lot.

Funnily enough, I'm running both the redeemer and the executioner as they do different things, but I like them both in my list although I'm currently waiting for points drop to see how it goes. Last weekend I was at Nottingham GT and managed to go 3-2, with SoS winning all 3 games day 1 and having a very close game 4 that I lost due to running out of time against admech and game 5 WE, neither of which I had played prior to the event. The redeemer as you said is very good against infantry, almost always picking atleast one unit of infantry and chipping away vehicles with lucky MM or HKM shots, or denting light-tanks with surprising effectiveness with the flamestorm cannons. Inside is tycho + deathcompany blob that can kill nearly any unit in the game with inferno pistol + powersword combo, owing due to sheer number attacks that don't care about -1 damage that I find is fairly common, being able to oneshot a baneblade as I have done with them, although I might experiment mixing a few powerfists in there as well next time I run them. As for the repulsor executioner, typically it sits in the back-line with 2 predator annihilators giving me a good amount of anti-tank alongside a fair decent amount of anti-chaff sniping exposed vehicles / oath target across main firing lines, I find either my opponent struggles to kill the two T12 tanks such as the sisters and deathguard game I had, or overcommit to one and take a far harsher punch-back with DC that pop out the LR or just outright failing to kill them. I also run 2 baal preds with full flamers alongside that typically flank or clear or sit on obj, or position aggressively to threaten enemy deployment zones / overwatch as if the redeemer isn't in range then they definitely will be, plus baby tanks that are annoying to kill without proper dedicated anti-tank that's looking elsewhere.

Different outro caught me off guard, I like it

Remaining Stationary only applies if you didn't move during your move step--IE no anvil bonus.

Told you Land Raiders were good🤪... one of us! One of us! One of us!

Thanks for the video

Love this video! Hey John Id really recommend running the blob of 6 BGV with captain and ancient, and a squad of 3 eradicators in the redeemer. Its got everything you could need. Youve already run the numbers on a captain and ancient with 6 bgv and been really impressed with its punching capabilities. The eradicators and redeemer can actually wipe out tanks with the BGV blob just detroying whatevers inside. Do that on an objective, and your opponent can either charge them off an objective (flamestorm OW time) or shoot at them (laughs and puts wounds on the now useless ancient)

It is interesting to see the math on the redeemer. I can't help but think the lack of range is a massive problem though. The executioner I use has more potential targets (the redeemer has none turn 1) and it affects my opponents deployment in a way your redeemer will not. Also I feel like you NEED to be able to take out your opponents long range firepower ASAP in almost every game?

Yes!

I have been using an Land Raider crusader and have been pleased. I have a executioner in the list also and feel the same way. I was thinking of dropping it and adding a Redeemer to join the crusader. I did a crusader, executioner and Baal Predator in a casual game and thought it was quite strong.

Bought one 1h ago, cant wait to build it ant kill some stuff :D

One vehicle that I find it odd that no one really talks about are the predators and the two different variants of them. But in all fairness I will say this is more or less coming from the chaos space marine side. Having a mark of nerval predator destructor with heavy bolters and that auto cannon getting plus one AP versus infantry is massive. Especially because in chaos space marines it would have sustained hits on five. Plus I was tearing apart Terminator units and elite infantry units. Almost like nothing. I had even more success with them when I would put them in my thousand sons army, but that is mainly because the infernal heavy bolter innately gains AP2. So then it would be an AP3 bolter versus generic Marines which makes it a an extremely good killer. And I can only imagine that the success that the chaos side has with the predators can be equally as good as the generic space marines. Another thing that I've been trying to make successful is having a Razorback with a unit of devastated marines inside coming in from reserves or just being on the table with line of sight. Have the devastators disembark then have the Razorback shoot at whatever target of opportunity that the devastators wish to shoot at that way when the devastator shoots they get to reroll the wound roles against that targets because of the Razorback special ability. And seeing that you could have that target. Also be the oath of moment target. Now you have four heavy weapons and weather be grab cannons lascannons Have four wheels to hit and for we rolls to wound.

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I've been loving the Firestorm detachment you can do some bad things. This list is one I play a little slower. Waiting for my opponent to move forward a little and pouncing with Assault weapons letting vehicles like the vindicators get exactly where they can do maximum damage. In this list you can pick whether to put the infernus & cap or the eradicators. Eradicators with the apoth bio melt everything. EVERYTHING. Roll it out. They'll melt a knight. Usually I'll put the Eradicators in strategic reserve and just jump them in on the side. Inceptors with oath and the +1 to wound strat leave pink mist and empty boots in their wake. Grav Captain is literally there to face tank for the unit. Eliminators can advance, shoot, and move again they get back behind terrain or get right in the way and block for position. You could drop a baal predator and add 2 scout squads if you want more blocking/infiltrate/secondary scoring units and free up 20 points for another enhancement. Cheers and thanks for all the maths. Ba'al Fire (1995 points) Space Marines Blood Angels Strike Force (2000 points) Firestorm Assault Force CHARACTERS Apothecary Biologis (70 points) • 1x Absolvor bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon • Enhancement: Forged in Battle Captain (80 points) • 1x Neo-volkite pistol 1x Power fist Captain in Gravis Armour (80 points) • Warlord • 1x Boltstorm gauntlet 1x Power fist 1x Relic blade OTHER DATASHEETS Baal Predator (125 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Baal flamestorm cannon 2x Heavy flamer 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Baal Predator (125 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Baal flamestorm cannon 2x Heavy flamer 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Eliminator Squad (75 points) • 1x Eliminator Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Instigator bolt carbine • 2x Eliminator • 2x Bolt pistol 2x Close combat weapon 2x Las fusil Eradicator Squad (190 points) • 1x Eradicator Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Melta rifle • 5x Eradicator • 5x Bolt pistol 5x Close combat weapon 3x Melta rifle 2x Multi-melta Inceptor Squad (220 points) • 1x Inceptor Sergeant • 1x Assault bolters 1x Close combat weapon • 5x Inceptor • 5x Assault bolters 5x Close combat weapon Inceptor Squad (220 points) • 1x Inceptor Sergeant • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Plasma exterminators • 5x Inceptor • 5x Close combat weapon 5x Plasma exterminators Infernus Squad (170 points) • 1x Infernus Sergeant • 1x Bolt pistol 1x Close combat weapon 1x Pyreblaster • 9x Infernus Marine • 9x Bolt pistol 9x Close combat weapon 9x Pyreblaster Land Raider Redeemer (260 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 2x Flamestorm cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Multi-melta 1x Storm bolter 1x Twin assault cannon Vindicator (190 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Demolisher cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter Vindicator (190 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Demolisher cannon 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Storm bolter

Can’t get flame storm cannons separate from eBay was going to convert my normal land raider

Do Gladiator Valiant next!

I don’t know we have this kind of weapon because. I play with 2 Baal predator with full flamethrower. I remove the half space marine army infantry. This gonna be nice in the table. 😂

I've been running the Landraider over the repolsor for a while now because the repolsor just never worked for me personally. I value the strength 12 guns on the land raider over the redeemer. Space marines deal with infantry easily from my experience, vehicles and monsters on the other hand are my biggest obstacles when I play. That being said I'll probably try the redeemer out in a game after watching this video, since I do prefer firestorm over the other detachments and the numbers look solid.

Well, you're halfway there finally John! Personally I think if you're not going to put a powerhouse unit like the Aggressors inside that Redeemer you're still leaving a lot of power out of your combo. But no doubt a Redeemer is good. Perhaps you finally see why I was a fan of new overwatch for all these months.

It always amuses me how long it can take you to try things that your community is telling you is good. 😁

Your slides on the defensive profile are wrong, you have them both listed as12 wounds when they're both 16

Have been playing two Baal predators and thunderstrike since i saw list with 3 predators. Now i have to fight urge to buy LR redeemer i have for a while. So my aggresors wont die to indirect. 😅

you cannot fire overwatch if in melee, tho

I’ve been a proponent for the land raider for a while but I never knew it had the grenade keyword also the math hammer makes me happy math is fun .

I've been running the basic land raider. 4 GHLC shots generally always gets the job done. Especially on oath targets. My death company get their own reroll hits. So divide the targets etc.

What are your thoughts when compared to a Spartan?

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Another pro for the land raider over the repulsor ... instead of floating slightly above a ground like a ballerina or something, you grind your enemies under your steel tracks!!!

Now we’re cooking with gas

I have been running 2x Redeemer and 2x lancer , 1x thunderstrike they have been running a tear

I would love to have one, I just can't find one at a realistic price in the US. I don't think it's been restocked on the website. Proxy or conversion seems to be the only way to go. I think they accidentally made the weapons amazing. I don't think it was planned because they don't seem interested in making more!

Are you able to create a blood angel shooty list ? I like the blood angels, but they are melee focused I don't like melee. Could you put a good shooting based army for 2k at all babe ?

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I picked up a land raider and a land raider crusader.. do I need to buy a 3rd ?!?

Redeemer also moves 12"

Can you please put time stamps in your videos

Even the predator annihilator has good shooting with reroll damage roll of 1