Babcock's Type 31 & Arrowhead 140 Frigates at DSEI 2023

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10 ай бұрын

Jonathan Walton, VP Business Development - Marine, shares the latest with the Royal Navy Type 31 and Arrowhead 140 frigate programs during DSEI 2023. Babcock just laid the keel for the second Type 31 (Inspiration class) frigate, HMS Venturer. In addition, Poland's first Miecznik frigate and Indonesia's first Merah Putih (Red and White) frigate recently entered production. Both are based on Babock's Arrowhead 140 design.
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Selected by the UK Royal Navy as the design solution for its new Type 31 Inspiration Class frigates, the Arrowhead 140 design, benefits from a proven hull-form that has been tried and tested in real-world operational environments from NATO and coalition task forces to national regional and deployed operations.
The baseline AH140 design can be configured to meet the broad range of operational requirements and profiles a global frigate may be called upon to undertake and adopt.
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@agusmedan9617 10 ай бұрын

Two units of Indonesian "Red White" Frigate (Arrowhead 140) will be the largest frigate in South East Asia. Good thing for Indonesia. 🇲🇨 Despite there is controversial thing about what kind of Combat Management System (CMS) that Indonesia will be used for this frigate, where the Chief of Indonesian National Armed Forces wants CMS from Thales, and Defense Minister wants CMS from Havelsan due to Indonesian regulation reguries TOT. I still optimistic about this frigate. But If I can give a suggestion about different opinion between Chief Indonesian National Armed Forces and Defense Minister, there will be two units of Red White frigate. One unit should stick with original CMS from Thales to make sure the frigate is using the battle proven CMS. And another unit can use CMS from Havelsan to fulfill Indonesia's regulations about the Transfer of Technology. But anything is good. Still waiting more good news from Fincantieri about the progress of 6 FREMM for Indonesia.

@valiant8730 10 ай бұрын

It's still a piece of crap, no exact systems/weaponry planned on the ship. It just an another yacht or an outdated ship because in todays rate, both ships will be completed in 2040s, or maybe scrapped for coke cans without touching water😂😂. You can choose one for their fate😂😂

@redblueyankee8343 9 ай бұрын

Just shut up Muslim and nothing will happen to you

@adrianmiftahuli3021 9 ай бұрын

@@valiant8730vushnik alert

@valiant8730 9 ай бұрын

@@adrianmiftahuli3021 more like you are an "ga sadar diri" ind0g🤣🤣🤣

@denault3985 10 ай бұрын

Babcock's Type 140 frigate is looking good, nice and slim with a low silhouette.

@tobilikebacon 6 ай бұрын

its really the iver huitfeldt class design.

@AugmentedGravity 10 ай бұрын

Looking gooood

@yusufmartapura6702 10 ай бұрын

Arrowhead 140 mantap bener👍

@kimkristensen2816 10 ай бұрын

Danish OMT are responsible for the Danish Iver Heuitfeld class on which both the type 31 and Arrowhead 140 design are based. However Iver Heuitfeld fregat has more missiles than the before mentioned. It shares it MK41 32VLS, suitable for SM-2 and possible SM-6 and Tomahawk, but it also has additional 24 ESSM and 16 Harpoon missiles. OMT is also responsible for designing Australias manufacturing plant where their future Hunter class fregat will be build.

@lukeallison3713 10 ай бұрын

The arrowhead can be equipped according to the iver huitfeldt specs, the 32 cell mk 41, the 4 amidships iver huitfeldt stanflex modules each take either 8 harpoons or 12 essm (6x2 essm dual launched by mk 56 vls). The royal navy doesn't use stanflex but no reason why they can't have say 24 sea ceptors in mushroom farms on the weapons deck, outside the mk 41., sea ceptor is smaller than essm(and more sea ceptors can be fitted if exls is used) and 16 naval strike missiles. Though I would ditch the naval strike missiles, use the weapons deck only for sea ceptor and fill all the mk 41 cells with FC/ASW- the nsms can go on the patrol boats when retired or maybe the type 32s if they become aa frigates like the iver huitfeldt (suitable radar, 32 asters or standards, 24 sea ceptors, 16 nsms

@JPT-fz8wc 9 ай бұрын

SM--2 and SM-6 are both Aegis missiles they wpn't be going on them ships unless they add Aegis, although UK is looking at CAMM missiles and a replacement for Aster 30 for surface to air, also Spear 5 missile as the cruise missile..

@tobilikebacon 6 ай бұрын

@@JPT-fz8wc The danish vessels are already equipped with SM-2's and they do not have Aegis but arguably an even better system. with the Thales Smart-L and the Thales APAR, radars. these radars have longer range and can detect, track and fire at more targets than the Aegis.

@JPT-fz8wc 6 ай бұрын

@@tobilikebacon It's the Ageis combat system and fire control system mate not so much the radars, etc us adding Aegis with our CEAFAR2 radars on our Hunter class.. Some of the old SM-2 use the Mk74 "Tartar" Guided Missile Fire Control System like Mk92 fire control system with STIR we use to use on our Adelaide class frigates, the latest block variants are for Aegis only.. For most parts we use our SAAB 9LV CMS which we upgraded for our Navy vessels..

@mbaktari8194 10 ай бұрын

As an Indonesian, I wish TNI AL (Indonesian Navy) keep using MBDA/THALES electronic and weapon systems NOT Turkey !

@aboutjava 10 ай бұрын

Do we got TOT from turkiye ?

@mbaktari8194 10 ай бұрын

@aboutjava TOT....I think so. BUT this ship will be our FLAGSHIPs along with our SIGMAs n ex Brunei frigates so it would better fitted with PROVEN TECHNOLOGY ! I am not against TOT but don't fit them to our flagships. Use the TURKEY'S SYSTEM to other ships...

@aboutjava 10 ай бұрын

@@mbaktari8194 defense ministry wanted CMS from Turkeye, but navy wanted thales.

@mbaktari8194 10 ай бұрын

@@aboutjava Yea.....Bowo is crap , not listening to TNIAL !

@LuqmanHM 10 ай бұрын

Please learn from Malaysia mistakes because we have to follow politicians instead of the navy. We should have get Type 31 back in 2011 instead of expensive French gowind

@heinedenmark 10 ай бұрын

Danish design ✌️

@Couchienz 10 ай бұрын

These would be perfect for the Royal New Zealand Navy to replace our ANZAC frigates I think the Type 26 is overpriced and the Type 31 would just as effective for us.

@LuqmanHM 10 ай бұрын

You are correct my friend. Type 26 is just over priced Type 31

@admiralmallard7500 10 ай бұрын

@LuqmanHM Not really. They're entirely different beasts. So far there has been no indication the type 31 is capable of high end ASW warfare They use direct diesel engine propulsion, which while I'm sure can be soundproofed some, is not as quiet as the diesel electric system on a Type 26. They also use the smaller CAPTAS 2 array

@admiralmallard7500 10 ай бұрын

However for navies who can't afford to aquire both types of frigate its a good option for some all round ability

@thespiritphoenix3798 10 ай бұрын

@@admiralmallard7500 Either way its great for the CANZUCK countries that we are all making the same variants of each Frigate. Canada with 15 planned, Australia with 9 and the UK with 8. New Zealand adding to this list and ordering 2 more would certainly help the entire project. Alongside with the AUKUS submarine program this shows ever increasing cooperation between the CANZUCK nations with the USA added to the mix as they supply/design many of the systems

@Belisarius1967 10 ай бұрын

@@LuqmanHM Have to disagree 26 and 31 are completely different designs.

@JeanetFabian 10 ай бұрын

Super big navy ship. IT is considered (For me) As a battleship 2.0

@cincailah9484 10 ай бұрын

Sayang banget lama produksinya

@chrysllerryu4171 10 ай бұрын

god, How wish philippines buy atleast 6 of this ship. I mean they are looking for 6 anti air frigates. I really wish they buy this

@alphaomega5169 10 ай бұрын

we cant even buy vertical launching missile for frigate😅😅😅

@scaucymancannotdiebaby7034 10 ай бұрын

@@alphaomega5169 16 cell VLS for HDC-1300 be like 🧐🧐🧐

@fkelaomster2583 10 ай бұрын

Both polaish & indonesian flags have the same color & design scheme(red & white) w/ eagle insignia but different color layout.

@valiant8730 9 ай бұрын

But indonesia is corrupt country while poland is straightforward emerging country.

@nasigorengpecelesteh1506 10 ай бұрын

Type 31 based on iver huiltfielt or improved or by own design babcok??

@rackjeen4670 10 ай бұрын

Beautiful ship. Anyone knows why they can't offer the ship with Gas and/or electric propulsion for ASW warfare?

@admiralmallard7500 10 ай бұрын

Depends on the room I guess. Currently they operate on a pair of diesels per prop shaft.

@alexis_ian 9 ай бұрын

Probably due to the Arrowhead/Type 31 being based on the Royal Danish Navy (RDN) Iver Hutfitfeldt-class frigate being CODAD (Combined Diesel and Diesel), and adding a gas turbine will require a redesign of the propulsion room which could further increase cost.

@rackjeen4670 9 ай бұрын

@@alexis_ian Yes, however, it is said that Bobcock is looking for ways to mitigate the ship's self-radiated noise to enhace ASW capability. If they can do redesign, why didn't they offer it to Greece. Greece chose FDI which is way more expensive with same propulsion in CODAD. If Bobcock offered a AH140 with CODLOD/CODLAD with thales sensors and US missiles they cpuld have easily won it, but the Greeks I think made a political move by choosing French.

@watermirror 10 ай бұрын

Indeed, Indonesian local production of warships goes on another level. Despite being colonized by the Dutch, it didn't matter. Meanwhile, their northern neighbor is still stuck in colonial mentality era. Still zero locally build navy OPV, not even coastguard OPV. They removed local production requirement for their latest navy OPVs. Not only that, Japan offered to locally build 5 coastguard patrol vessels of total 10 but rejected such offer. Even if they finally decide to locally build, they might build it in the north area again, worsening again their perennial problem of overcentralization, further distorting the general welfare of the country. Wondering when will they make a move that is not associated with epic fail

@fatihalmirais3739 8 ай бұрын

You mean MALAYSIA😂

@juzanewbie6194 10 ай бұрын

Babcock UK, the maker of RN's Arrowhead 140 type 31 frigates was also selected by Poland and Indonesia for their respective navy's maritime frigate needs. These ships were valued at around £250M each, and some will be initially built here in the UK, whilst the rest will be build through the partner country's own maritime dockyards (Poland & Indonesia) through technology transfer scheme. These ships are not that costly, unlike those made by BAE systems futuristic warships which costs more than £500M each. So, there's a great possibility that the Philippines Navy may acquire these kind of frigates via Indonesia. Those 2 frigates that Philippines acquired from South Korea BRP Jose Rizal and BRP Antonio Luna costs around 200M$ each I guess.. just saying though.

@paultanton4307 10 ай бұрын

Both the Polish and Indonesian Frigate Builds are domestic projects,none of them will be Built in the UK,in fact it has been suggested that some Sections for the RN Type 31 are being Fabricated in Poland.

@admiralmallard7500 10 ай бұрын

@@paultanton4307 That's mostly to assist Poland in beginning their production

@alexis_ian 9 ай бұрын

Maybe if Babcock will partner with a local Shipyard or the government will have then be built locally. Although with the uncertainty of the Type 32 follow-on frigate it may allow Babcock to retain Builder if 2-3 will be built in the UK initially while the remainder will be built in the philippines through TOT with the UK.

@juzanewbie6194 9 ай бұрын

@@alexis_ian finger cross.

@packohub1145 5 ай бұрын

😂 its only 150m us dollars for jose rizal class.. and that British frigate cost 330m euros ..not 250m ..bobo mo

@LuqmanHM 10 ай бұрын

Malaysia should have get the Type31 back in 2011 (it was called Iver Huitfeldt/Absalon back then) instead of getting expensive French Gowind. Oh well what can you do about such people....

@ikhwannurdin9116 9 ай бұрын

Rasuah problem 😅

@nofanfebriawan2011 10 ай бұрын

Semoga kapal indonesia tepat waktu pembuatannya

@ikhwannurdin9116 9 ай бұрын

Iyah semoga cepat sesuai jadwal dan tidak mangkrak

@JPT-fz8wc 9 ай бұрын

Yep they have their hat in the basket for future codeveloped vessel for both Australia and NZ, nothing really been finialised and there a few companies looking for the contract, we went from Canberra talking about building warship Corvettes to now codeveloping a ship with NZ for both our countries.. Our Australian Naval fleet restructure review has been pushed back till next year some time which means Canberra waiting on NZ decision in regards to codeveloping a new vessel for both our countries.. If i was a betting man i would say that the MEKO A200 will be selected with some sort of collaboration between TKMS and Lurreson over the Arrowhead 140 unless they spin some sort of AUKUS deal.. Whatever the outcome is it's not going to be done in a hurry also we will be lucky to see any built this decade..

@JollyOldCanuck 5 ай бұрын

The Canadian PBO office also put out a report comparing the cost of Canada's Type 26 acquisition to theoretical acquisitions of the FREMM or Type 31 and a combined Type 26/Type 31 fleet was recommended over a pure Type 26 fleet to remain within the CSC's C$60B budget, so Canada might throw its hat into the ring for the Arrowhead 140 project.

@ayomidebusari5881 10 ай бұрын

Canadian Navy still hasn’t placed any order for these ships as replacements for its 30 year old frigates…??🙄

@Belisarius1967 10 ай бұрын

I believe your thinking of Type 26/ CSC not Type 31/ Arrowhead 140 design. As of now the RCN has no intention to purchase Type 31 design.

@ayomidebusari5881 10 ай бұрын

@@Belisarius1967 Yes of course I’m talking about the type 26 frigate/ CSC ship. The United Kingdom already has two under construction for its navy. Australia has placed its order, meanwhile the RCN is still in development phase of building its own version of this vessel, and the worst thing is that the ship is not going to be built by a local Canadian shipbuilding company

@danlegris387 10 ай бұрын

Canada should scrap the CSC project and go with this instead. 20 ships total, 8 Anti Air, 8 Anti Sub and 4 Anti Mine for the reserves. 95+% of the capabilities and 25% of the cost of the CSC There are probably a half dozen better options than the CSC, the Arrowhead 140 is a pretty good option

@admiralmallard7500 10 ай бұрын

The type 26 is a far better ASW frigate. But it may be an idea for both Canada and Australia to downscale those orders and order some of these.

@danlegris387 10 ай бұрын

@@admiralmallard7500 Except the last thing you want near a submarine is a $6bill warship

@admiralmallard7500 10 ай бұрын

@@danlegris387 That's how much a high end ASW ships costs

@Belisarius1967 10 ай бұрын

The 26/CSC/Hunter will be the worlds best ASW Frigates on entry into service. Thype 31 is a completely different design for a completely different role.

@Belisarius1967 10 ай бұрын

@@danlegris387 The UK RN will be paying less than £1bn apiece for their Type 26's. The C$6bn you're talking about is the whole life cost plus the additional cost of building in Canada.

@rifqitaqiuddin 2 ай бұрын

its nice tha both country choose the same design and collectively want to troll the entire Ship spotter community to always Confuse one from the other. it is indeed Red and white Ship. it works for both. p.s: yeah, not really. both will have different sensor package and armaments likely. its gonna show to a trained eye. but for the rest. have fun getting trolled. 🟥⬜