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@cwbrooks532920 күн бұрын
If this was the story of a middle-aged MAN, stalking a young woman, we'd be asking why he isn't in prison and how can we get tougher laws.
@niva-vm3vy20 күн бұрын
Even if it's a male stalker, we don't have tough laws in this cases.
@cwbrooks532920 күн бұрын
@@niva-vm3vy I still don't hear/read anything about anyone saying she should have been punished. If she were a man, people would have been outraged.
@tobiasart870120 күн бұрын
Yes because a man is more of a threat in general. Are we going to pretend its not the case or?
@Devi_Seona20 күн бұрын
We are all asking why she isn’t in prison actually…… Men do those kind of things all the time in case you didn’t know.
@kerrinjameson696520 күн бұрын
@@tobiasart8701 That's utter rubbish. Women can 100% be more of a threat. Some are worse than men.
@simonac.92620 күн бұрын
if the man were the perpetrator we wouldn’t be having this conversation
@69op2gg1005ify0m20 күн бұрын
very good point
@willowlidstone789920 күн бұрын
Of course we wouldn't, because sexual assault and stalking by men is pretty common.
@you_are_welcome9720 күн бұрын
literally the double standards, if it was a man there would have been no Piers Morgan interview
@NineandVine20 күн бұрын
This should be in all CAPS!!! Everyone needs to know they have HUMAN rights too and a stalker is a stalker!
@MrMacbridemax20 күн бұрын
Doesn't mean we shouldn't
@cisnerosjerez20 күн бұрын
This is bullshite. Sent from iphon
@alyssatew97488 күн бұрын
This comment is underrated 😂
@MrTipsy927 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@Jane_Ricciardi3 күн бұрын
😂 I see what you did there!
@sandytw522920 күн бұрын
she outed herself, if it was Male on Woman, none of this convo would be going on….
@Devi_Seona20 күн бұрын
What are you saying exactly? Are men and women the same?
@solosoyuna778419 күн бұрын
She's saying sadly this happens to women all the time but it takes a man telling the same story for an actual discussion about it
@LYFE_OF_PI10 күн бұрын
You're worried about whether it is male or not and not the guy who turned him out. Also if my memory serves me correctly didn't he go over there and screw her?
@rachellee25158 күн бұрын
I dont understand, unless i misunderstood something, didnt internet users find her within days because Netflix had her tweets verbatim in the tv series? and of course, its common for males to stalk females - sorry for the sterotype my male friends - Its not that common the other way and thats why it exploded!
@LYFE_OF_PI8 күн бұрын
@@rachellee2515 yes, she stated that they were harassing her and sending her death threats.
@keepingitreal61820 күн бұрын
Stalking against men ignored by most. IF she indeed is a convicted stalker then cannot see a problem
@AERIEDM20 күн бұрын
The fact that she denies any stalking and even being convicted should be investigated and made public. Blatantly lying by both Netflix and Fiona, they're as bad as each other.
@shoeshoe525320 күн бұрын
Well said
@unasperanza980319 күн бұрын
AN MP yesterday told of his horror after a stalker falsely accused him and his wife of abusing their disabled son. Labour's Jimmy Wray and wife Laura were visited by social workers investigating claims they had beaten four-year-old Frankie. The couple received death threats after Fiona Harvey, 36, was dismissed from Laura's former law firm. Wray, 63, said: "It is upsetting enough for Laura and myself, but for Frankie to be dragged into this was hugely distressing." FULL STORY - PAGE 5 COPYRIGHT 2002 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
@mortonheadhunter569520 күн бұрын
Forget Fiona Harvey we need to know who ‘Derrien’ is ffs
@deadeyes462620 күн бұрын
Sam Bain
@psalmthyme819220 күн бұрын
@@deadeyes4626I googled him he’s the right age or around that age…and comedy writer… where did you hear this?
@DraGon-ge6po20 күн бұрын
@@deadeyes4626 similar looking to the character.
@Wendy-df5lb20 күн бұрын
there are some hints in the show some reddit users discovered. not only the similar looking.
@cyndigooch116219 күн бұрын
I totally agree with you and I don't agree with Fiona Harvey's behaviour, especially having endured stalking a few times myself, BUT the alleged (it's best to use that word in my country) r*pes are MUCH worse crimes! I'm pleased to know that some people are focusing on those horrendous incidents, instead of the stalking issue. 🙁
@micheletotton934220 күн бұрын
Why all this sympathy for this nightmare of a woman who has all but acknowledged she was the stalker! And was before and since, ffs man
@intothezombieapocalypse20 күн бұрын
its literally because netflix is making some things up even though they are saying its all true. no one is disputing she sent all the messages and emails etc. but the attacking of the family member and her going to court and admitting to it and then going to jail seem to be false. Gadd even admitted he made up the court stuff for the show, even though this video alone the Netflix employee is telling parliament that it is true and did happen lol.
@ElanaVital8320 күн бұрын
Because she's a woman, and people are brainwashed to believe women are always helpless victims
@SpilledMerlot-bq1jl18 күн бұрын
Not one comment here shows sympathy for this man's stalker! Not one!!
@ElanaVital8318 күн бұрын
@@SpilledMerlot-bq1jl OP is talking about the video. Keep up.
@micheletotton934218 күн бұрын
@@SpilledMerlot-bq1jl The man asking questions above, numerous people of the many discussions online, in fact Piers himself had somewhat sympathetic (in keeping it balanced) moments. I never said commenters on this post per se - not that I owe you an explanation!
@taylorstevensonfilmmaker20 күн бұрын
If a man was a convicted abuser and stalker and was found similarly, there would be no cover up for him.
@Devi_Seona20 күн бұрын
There was no cover up, and you have no idea about what you are talking about because you aren’t a girl and you have never been harassed by a man….. you are just saying this out of misogyny but if you looked into the subject you would have seen that it’s impossible to get your stalker arrested, women struggle to have their rap!sts arrested, do you think police is going to do anything for stalker? 3 out of 5 men are abusers, if we could get all the men who abused women in prison, it wouldn’t be much men around.
@user-oq7ki4sv5f20 күн бұрын
There was no conviction. You have missed the point here.
@smch641620 күн бұрын
🙌
@alternativebassist18 күн бұрын
@@user-oq7ki4sv5fapart from the restraining order, which requires a criminal case in the UK, and her being charged for stalking numerous other people
@EatHere8 күн бұрын
I mean Daren is a man and there is also cover up for him, so…
@BrittPearceWatches20 күн бұрын
I actually don't see the problem here. If they did this documentary style - they'd likely use names. Like the Tinder Swindler. They anonymised everyone in Baby Reindeer. 99% of people couldn't be bothered to try to figure out who these people are - I certainly couldn't. Gadd made a thoughtful, artistic piece to heal. Then Fiona comes out saying it is about her (Despite "not watching the show"). To me, my big take away from the show was how complex humans are - how victims return to their abusers - and how things aren't black and white. I thought it was healing and thoughtful. Fiona for some reason thinks she should be financially compensated for this show? Which is odd lol. "I committed a crime against you. You've made art about it. Now compensate me" lol - get WRECKED.But clearly a lady that needs some help - needs to stop stalking people. I do find it weird that people are saying it was easy to find her identity - but they can't seem to find these police records? That Netflix says exist. So it'll be interesting to see how this all comes out in the end.
@michaelfierman325620 күн бұрын
Hey Britt ! Totally agree and so cool to see you in a different corner of KZfaq! Wearing my 925 today! 💕
@scorpiorising769420 күн бұрын
Respectfully, and this isn't a defence of Fiona Harvey who to my mind is more than likely guilty of some level of inappropriate behaviour towards Gadd, you're defeating your own point by stating that on one hand it's weird how there has been no one in the multiple weeks able to prove this woman is a 'convicted stalker' as stated but at the same time pouring scorn on her attempts to be compensated and telling her to get wrecked. If she isn't how can you then take any of the rest of the content at face value? The 40k emails, the 750+ tweets, the hours of voicemail, the assault on his gf, the harassment of his parents, the sexual assault beside the canal? Are we just to accept that these are all true despite them being caught out in the lie of her being a convicted stalker? Gadd himself has admitted that is not the case yet here we have a netfllix exec stating under oath that she is. Huge issues that need to be addressed.
@jtam22220 күн бұрын
Gringa!
@skipinkoreaable20 күн бұрын
You're the last person I expected to see here in the comments. Love your channel. OK. That was the knee-jerk reaction. Now it's time to actually read your comment...
@skipinkoreaable20 күн бұрын
I guess the truth about the police records will come out. She seems like a total weirdo, but it'll be interesting to see whether or not she does actually have any convictions. I wouldn't trust Netflix to be truthful. They are behind Meghan Markle and her husband's documentary and another one saying Amber Heard was not a domestic abuser (yeah, I lost way too many hours binge-watching that trial... That relationship was the best drama since Shakespeare, but to anyone who followed the trial the idea that she was some kind of innocent victim is pretty absurd). Netflix just don't seem to care about the truth very much.
@wellcomematt20 күн бұрын
Karma is a b*tch. When you stalk someone, sometimes your life doesn't go smoothly afterwards.
@tamlynn78618 күн бұрын
Yes! She has made several people’s lives a living hell. I have no pity for her.
@mjowsey18 күн бұрын
She's going to be cashing in now. I think she's going to be loving all this attention too
@kayhayes511420 күн бұрын
She is not a victim nor do I believe has mental health issues. She chose to confirm her identity and is now monetising it. There is no discussion of duty of care. They never named her. How is it that we are again victim blaming. This was a painfully honest account of what happened to this man I very much doubt he would lie about a conviction
@virginia322220 күн бұрын
You think she doesn’t have mental health issues? She can’t live a normal life, she’s so weird that everyone avoids her. Do you think she acts that way for fun? Only it doesn’t seem like her life is fun.
@DAGATHire20 күн бұрын
She most certainly does have mental health issues. She's quite clearly unhinged mate. I agree with the rest of what you are saying, but c'mon now. Even the bloody author and real victim, Richard Gadds, has stated at length that she needs help because she's not well in the head. But YOU don't believe it. so it must not be true eh? Ridiculous arrogance.
@MrMacbridemax20 күн бұрын
She wasn't named but it was inevitable that viewers would identify her, as they did. It also seems there is no available evidence she was convicted. They didn't have to make the actress so similar.
@kayhayes511420 күн бұрын
@@MrMacbridemax Maybe you should try to put yourself in the place of the victim and then tell me if you would protect your stalker. He made this show to try to explain how complicated things can be for victims of stalking. Seems people care more about out her than they do about him
@simsvoiceauditions120 күн бұрын
@@kayhayes5114 It'd be different had this been a man stalking a woman, its disgraceful tbh.
@andalltheangelssay21220 күн бұрын
Richard Gadd has said from the beginning that the court and prison parts were fictionalised for the show to bring closure to it. There are interviews that can be found online of him clearly saying this. He said that he didn’t bring charges against her but that he took out a restraining order against her. Piers Morgan , the rest of the media and Netflix wouldn’t have had to look very far to find this out, I found it out easily. Richard Gadd is covered as he said parts were fictionalised. Netflix aren’t covered and may end up getting sued a lot of money because they wrote on screen This is a true story. If they had written based on a true story or inspired by a true story they would be covered£, but they didn’t, so they aren’t.
@dav14720 күн бұрын
Thanks, this is the detail I was after and was unsure on.
@vegetalover100919 күн бұрын
Doesn’t matter what he said afterwards it should’ve never been in the show if they said “this is a true story”
@stephaniedray662719 күн бұрын
there is disclamer in credit though
@skittles1213119 күн бұрын
Fargo is also a true story - it says so in the opening credits.
@vegetalover100919 күн бұрын
@@skittles12131 “they did it too” is not a defense
@VonMilk20 күн бұрын
Crazy this has gone to parliament so quick
@popples5020 күн бұрын
Let us not forget, she is now stalking Neil Sears who wrote the article for the mail online. The same paper she is suing. Plus she is harassing Piers Morgan.
@bobbob961920 күн бұрын
That’s a lie. Piers said nothing like that happened
@popples5020 күн бұрын
@@bobbob9619 She’s demanding 1 million from her appearance instead of the £250 and if you watch Andy Signore ask Piers the question, Piers is evasive, stumbling. He admitted some forcefulness on her behalf, harassing. In Piers own words “She’s had a few intemperate messages”…
@gillianlaing107320 күн бұрын
I don't think anybody could harass Pierce, heehee! No chance,not true
@popples5020 күн бұрын
@@gillianlaing1073 Of course he can be harassed by her, it is whether he feels harassed. He certainly becomes rattled as he proves that frequently when he is exposed.
@gillianlaing107320 күн бұрын
@@popples50 pierce is a very strong character 💪, noway could he be harassed by her he said he felt sorry for her
@awhi376520 күн бұрын
A victim has every right to tell their story without concern for the person that victimised them. The real person that Martha is based on is not more relevant than the victim. Any support she requires should come from her healthcare provider not her victim. If it was a woman telling her story would they have this much care for the man? Not even when the woman is lying do they care about the harm the man experiences. Such bs.
@Candy_Gal17 күн бұрын
Well said!!!
@johanna347015 күн бұрын
she said hey its me so she asked for it , and im just waiting to see morgan as next victim .
@harryhill854320 күн бұрын
Apparently she was served with an interim interdict by the courts for a previous stalking case which is probably what he is referring to. This notion however that the show has to be the "truth" is a nonsense anyway. The writers changed the story to make it harder for people to identify her. It was done for her benefit but shes too clueless to understand. She has yet to decide if she is the woman in the show, because she has also denied it, or what if any incidents took place she "agrees" with. She wants to go to court but cant even decide on her version of reality to stick with for a court case.
@iamnotfooled20 күн бұрын
I know personally of a male friend who is being stalked by an aggressive nasty woman and he’s quite at his wit’s end
@EloquentMess20 күн бұрын
I feel for your friend. I hope he can get this resolved asap. That's scary, and probably ruining his life.
@kayligo19 күн бұрын
He needs to gather his evidence and go to the police.
@kittykatz35184 күн бұрын
You can petition the Court in the UK to seal your records after you have served time. Same thing in the States. Its entirely at the discretion of the Judge.
@RoamingKiwiEU20 күн бұрын
The UK is falling apart at the seams, and this MP prioritises a Netflix series discussion? Is this this a burning issue for his constituents?
@Sarah-J-H20 күн бұрын
@@timchipping”every aspect of our lives” I sincerely hope not 🙏🏼
@mast3rchief53615 күн бұрын
They know what they’re doing, shame the public think they’re trying their best but are stupid which they aren’t, they like the public divided, frustrated and mentally Ill so they’re preoccupied battling those issues over battling them.
@wingv31320 күн бұрын
WHY exactly, are we coddling a narcissistic convicted stalker? Producers can’t control what the public will do. She does seem to be enjoying the attention, which is really the goal now isn’t it? 🤨
@scorpiorising769420 күн бұрын
She isn't a convicted stalker, that's the whole point
@scorpiorising769419 күн бұрын
@LucyStormbringerLastic no offence but have you watched the video? They specifically DO refer to her as a convicted stalker, the rest is just word salad that has nothing to do with my point. She is not a convicted stalker. That's what Netflix have described her as as highlighted in this video and have done so without any proof to back it up. That's defamation. I think Harvey is clearly guilty of some aspects of inappropriate behaviour related to Gadd and Wray previously but that's completely irrelevant to the point of if she has been defamed.
@user-wy3me5nj5i6 күн бұрын
Many people forget that Richard Gad was the victim.
@Lucylastic17820 күн бұрын
I know someone that works for Camden council. They claim that their tradespeople allegedly refuse to return to her flat as she’s quite difficult.
@marlonthomas804217 күн бұрын
Those damn curtains will not stay hung Sorry couldn’t help myself 🤣
@stevenm508220 күн бұрын
The use of the term "Convicted stalker" is legally very worrying if she is not.
@noviumthompson676020 күн бұрын
They must have proof to be Soo confident don’t you think?
@stephaniedray662719 күн бұрын
a staker convicted or not is still a stalker
@relaxed774519 күн бұрын
@@noviumthompson6760 there isn't proof that's why she can sue them
@relaxed774519 күн бұрын
@@stephaniedray6627 I can accuse you of stalking. Doesn't mean that you are a stalker
@alternativebassist18 күн бұрын
@@relaxed7745there isn’t any proof that you’re aware of…it’s fairly likely Netflix have more information than is publicly known
@shortcircus876920 күн бұрын
All of these are getting out of hand. It seems the internet people are as worse as Martha
@michaelbishop91576 күн бұрын
He can tell his story but must tell it 100% truthfully if it's positioned as such. Netflix can't have it both ways and should be held accountable if they didn't check facts
@pamelaerff18525 күн бұрын
FICTIONALIZED
@WeShallOvercome_20 күн бұрын
What was the name of the court case, the name of the court, and the prison, please?
@username_creates699120 күн бұрын
I mean… anyone can look up her convictions when offering her a job… so her own life was ruined by her actions. if someone told the truth about her… its not something they wouldn’t soon find out. Tbh I wouldn’t have even thought of looking her up if Pierce Morgan hadn’t brought her on his show… so espentially she’s also defaming herself and all I got from everything is that the actress who played Martha did a FANTASTIC job at portraying the real life person.
@lenadiveeva58620 күн бұрын
Netflix, we have a problem here
@talltrees35819 күн бұрын
It tears apart your feeling of saftey and so many other pieces that make us a normal grounded human being.Stalkers need to have harsher penalties imposed.The damage it does to the person being stalked is unrectifiable.
@paulsheehan299820 күн бұрын
What she did was wrong, no doubt about it. She was exploited, that's not right.
@deegralak-roe20 күн бұрын
Don't you think she deserves to be exposed and she also needs professional psychiatric help? Also, Netflix and Richard Gadd didn't disclose her identity, people did. Being a victim of a very nasty stalker myself I feel very sorry for the real victim here, Richard Gadd.
@badfairy955420 күн бұрын
Her going on TV will not help.
@intuitivediane20 күн бұрын
She was a stalker. Why should she get a free pass.
@paulsheehan299820 күн бұрын
@@deegralak-roe Help, Yes 'Exposed', No It's not as though she got away with it, she's served a prison sentence. She does though obviously need help, she's clearly not well.
@paulsheehan299820 күн бұрын
@@intuitivediane Free pass? She's been to prison. It's clear she's not in sound mind.
@MtATSEL9120 күн бұрын
Tiger King, Dahmer, Baby reindeer are all twisted tv shows.
@BigPacketFridays17 күн бұрын
Sometimes fact is worse than fiction.
@tmoleary717920 күн бұрын
Netflix made millions....exploting peoples pain
@DanaX0920 күн бұрын
She was found in like 10 seconds, so I call BS on the “protecting the people involved”. While what happened was terrible, it’s also decades ago and according to the Series she was convicted and went to jail. The reason our courts exist is to punish people for a crime. Once that punishment has been applied, their debt to society has been paid. If every crime was a lifetime sentence, why bother having the court system at all?
@cyndigooch116219 күн бұрын
She didn't go to jail at all though and Richard Gadd has stated that some of the show was dramatised, in order to give closure. I'm thinking that Piers Morgan could've found out more information before the interview with Fiona Harvey, which I had to stop watching due to his interviewing technique, among other reasons. 🙉
@marlonthomas804217 күн бұрын
Interesting because when I first googled who the real Martha was it brought up a completely different person and that took me a good half an hour to find I literally didn’t hear it was this woman until weeks later
@chareltrihart342420 күн бұрын
I feel this is such a double standard. If it were a man stalking a woman, certainly the man stalker would get away with it. They wouldn’t even believe the woman.
@mobwatch811920 күн бұрын
They would say "false allegations; innocent until proven guilty; show us proof". This woman, however, in the eyes of many, already is "Martha".
@cyndigooch116219 күн бұрын
That's exactly right and can attest to it since I've experienced stalking a few times myself, including in regard to dangerous ex-neighbours! I don't have time to go into the details now though and it's probably best if I don't anyway. 🙁
@unasperanza980319 күн бұрын
AN MP yesterday told of his horror after a stalker falsely accused him and his wife of abusing their disabled son. Labour's Jimmy Wray and wife Laura were visited by social workers investigating claims they had beaten four-year-old Frankie. The couple received death threats after Fiona Harvey, 36, was dismissed from Laura's former law firm. Wray, 63, said: "It is upsetting enough for Laura and myself, but for Frankie to be dragged into this was hugely distressing." FULL STORY - PAGE 5 COPYRIGHT 2002 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
@relaxed774519 күн бұрын
@@mobwatch8119not true. Allegations alone have ruined a lot of people's life's (where it's proven or not)
@mobwatch811918 күн бұрын
@@relaxed7745 Agreed - but caution should apply to both sexes equally. What are the claims made in this series if not allegations mixed with fiction (with no clarification made as to what is fictional)? Do you see people worrying about it? When a woman is accused of something, you get "body language analysis" content, somehow always determining that she's lying.
@Symbolsysteme20 күн бұрын
Why don't they just present the evidence to the public that she is a convicted stalker...?
@mobwatch811920 күн бұрын
I'm confused as it was confirmed by Piers Morgan that she didn't have any criminal convictions. The matter was looked into.
@BrickBasherUK20 күн бұрын
@@mobwatch8119No I don't think it has been confirmed either way by Piers Morgan
@Symbolsysteme20 күн бұрын
@@mobwatch8119 I am talking about Netflix and even Richard Gadd. It would be very easy for Netflix to show the evidence of her conviction to the public - if they have evidence of course.
@Symbolsysteme20 күн бұрын
@@BrickBasherUK Piers said they couldn't find any evidence by now.
@mobwatch811920 күн бұрын
@@BrickBasherUK He definitely said no information had been found, which should be easy.
@AM-xe4iq20 күн бұрын
This is wild.
@sophsweet17 күн бұрын
I. believe everything points to 'Martha' wanting to be identified after Netflix for the very reason of stirring up problems for Netflix and Gadd and to make money. All her speech and actions are pointed at coming out after the series (not the Ed show) and to claim she has been erroneously used in order to get money.
@kingoreo364220 күн бұрын
I recognize that guy from the “Rocco put your tail down” cat video
@user-oq7ki4sv5f20 күн бұрын
How is everyone missing the point? Where is the conviction?
@pamelaerff185217 күн бұрын
No duty of care
@sisterrosetta5720 күн бұрын
Also how funny John Nicholson pretending he gives a damn about women 😅
@americanpancakelive20 күн бұрын
He DID not say the Fiona Muir Harvey was a convicted stalker. He never even mentioned her.
@kbbbnnnnnnnnnnn20 күн бұрын
Can't just say it, show proof! No evidence even been arrested!
@scorpiorising769420 күн бұрын
He did say the person responsible was a convicted stalker though and they also allowed tweets posted from Fiona Harvey's twitter account to be used verbatim in the show. They then stated proudly during promotion of the show that this is a true story and that actual tweets were used thus allowing her to be identified within hours, they've made a complete arse of it Theres not even a question around this, if they can't prove she is a convicted stalker they have clearly defamed her.
@americanpancakelive20 күн бұрын
@@scorpiorising7694 you are assuming that Fiona Harvey is his stalker. She could have had a few exchanges with GADD and he might have lifted some of her personality quirks in writing Baby Reindeer but the real "martha' could be a skinny blond woman. Remember that GADD and Netflix said they basically hid her identity. SO Fiona Harvey could be a scammer trying to earn some money OR she could be mental and think this story is about her (when she was just used as a part of an amalgam of the character)
@scorpiorising769420 күн бұрын
@@americanpancakelive What? I suggest you maybe want to do some research before you spout nonsense Baby Reindeer contained tweets that were described by Gadd as 'the actual tweets sent by the stalker in real life', they trumpeted this during the promo for the series launching. Those tweets were then used to search for the identity of the stalker and were matched to Fiona Harvey's twitter account and date marked in 2016 when this was said to have taken place. That is how she was identified so quickly after the show aired and her identity then spread like wildfire. Back to the drawing board for you......
@americanpancakelive19 күн бұрын
@@scorpiorising7694 pretty convenient- what we haven't seen are the ipone messages that GAAD received and who sent them. As I said earlier, clearly Fiona sent him tweets but I am sure a lot of people sent him tweets. he was an entertainer with a public twitter account. There has been absolutely no concrete evidence that FH is the "martha" depicted in Baby Reindeer and there is no evidence to suggest that the series was not fictionalized for greater impact. GAAD has already stated that "martha" was not actually convicted in the end. He also didn't break down in front of an audience as depicted in BR, he revealed his trauma in a one man show named Monkey See, Monkey Do. All Films and series that say they are True Stores are always embellished. So back to the drawing board for you...
@pamelaerff18525 күн бұрын
No I think it was evident to anyone with a working brain that this was FICTIONALIZED. She came out on her own. Even if discovered she could've kept her mouth shut not she's exactly as portrayed so it's truly based on a true story
@Kaytemplerose20 күн бұрын
Ok, which is it? Is she a convicted stalker or not? Because Richard’s now saying she isn’t
@andalltheangelssay21220 күн бұрын
Richard Gadd has said from the beginning that the court and prison part are fictionalised to give closure. He said that he didn’t make any charges against her but he did take out a restraining order against her .
@gillianlaing107320 күн бұрын
She said she wasn't convicted,& he says he wouldn't put her through that,so it looks like it's made up
@gillianlaing107320 күн бұрын
You know what,if she says she's not been to jailor been convicted, then why is Netflix saying its a true story 🤔 she's gonna sue them,so I hope they checked all the facts before saying its a true story
@intuitivediane20 күн бұрын
@@gillianlaing1073yes I saw an interview about this to.
@Grammarlings-cf8yw20 күн бұрын
@@gillianlaing1073 because it's not a documentary - adults usually understand that stories are changed when they're made into fiction which is what this is - STILL I don't understand why on earth they didn't say: 'based on a true story' which is the usual phraseology
@carolinamarin49118 күн бұрын
Crazy or not she needs to have some credit 😵💫
@briarrose2916 күн бұрын
What is overlooked is that Donnie Dunn’s character admitted to leading her on because he was lonely and liked having her as an audience. Not many women react that way toward a male stalker.
@phurphy20 күн бұрын
The producer looks like Darrien
@cameronthomson413619 күн бұрын
Is this the full video ?
@stephenwonghongweng429820 күн бұрын
I’m sure they have tons of evidence to that effect
@scorpiorising769420 күн бұрын
If they did have tons of evidence they would have privately briefed it to tame journalists off the record by now, the fact Piers Morgan among others is saying nothing has come to light so far doesn't look good for Netflix. We know for a fact she wasn't convicted for either the Laura Wray incident or the Gadd incident from the people directly involved.
@kwickeb9916 күн бұрын
Why do they keep protecting these criminals...
@vickifunk942920 күн бұрын
he should not have played himself.. by doing so made it extremely easy to find the other parties
@PETAL1920 күн бұрын
Do not like this slimey Netflix exec...and his answers are pathetic
@dannyball984420 күн бұрын
I think they should have done more to change the comments as that was how people found her. But she also came forward and has lied on interviews
@scorpiorising769420 күн бұрын
Its not illegal to lie in an interview with Piers Morgan, it is illegal to defame someone
@scorpiorising769419 күн бұрын
@LucyStormbringerLastic again, have you watched the video? That's a Netflix uk boss stating under oath that this was a true story and that she is a convicted stalker. I've already explained to you in a separate reply how their sloppiness in relation to the tweets used within the show was responsible for her being identified. Her identity was already widely known prior to having her interview, she also received multiple death threats as a consequence. If you don't understand defamation laws in the UK or are willing to accept facts then I'm not sure there's anything more I can tell you. Harvey has a King's Counsel advising lawyers relating to her case, multiple people such as Piers Morgan who is very experienced in relation to defamation laws have indicated she has a watertight case. Forgive me but randoms on KZfaq channels clinging to 'they put up a disclaimer in the end credits' are as naive as they are thick. No offence.
@sisterrosetta5720 күн бұрын
Netflix should just let this blow over. She didn't have to go on Piers Morgan's show. She effectively outed herself and has previous concerning behaviour revealed by a Scottish lawyer.
@scorpiorising769420 күн бұрын
yet no convictions as per the allegation? so clearly she has been defamed
@pw444420 күн бұрын
Although a fan of Baby Raindear, I do feel that Netflix should have used a different actresse to play Martha . No one that has a striking resemblance to the actual stalker.
@asbisi20 күн бұрын
Also, they should not have used RICHARD GADD acting as HIMSELF. I have all kinds of problems with that. It comes across as abuse of her. He has this smirk on his face constantly, I cannot help seeing it as duping delight. I don´t like the dude, I don´t trust him one bit.
@cyndigooch116219 күн бұрын
@@asbisiI'm feeling extremely relieved about someone picking up on Richard Gadd's own highly narcissistic behaviour! I can attest to what you wrote as well because I used to know a troubled man who led a woman with an intellectual disability on and knew that she had a huge "crush" on him. She started stalking him and it has stopped now, but he did admit that knowing that she fancied him was an ego boost and he went to places with her, including her home, so did encourage it. 🙁
@asbisi19 күн бұрын
@@cyndigooch1162 And I am relieved YOU are there. Not many see this.
@TruckieLooks4Aliens6 күн бұрын
Amazing how she changed her name
@1398go13 күн бұрын
He’s the guy from the Zoom with his cat.
@Archangel2138917 күн бұрын
At the end of the day Richard is a victim and his stalker was convicted. Why should criminals be protected from the truth especially as a second time offender.
@scorpiorising769417 күн бұрын
She wasn't convicted for the incident in 2002 and she wasn't convicted in relation to her behaviour towards Gadd. Is she the world's worst stalker or world's best lawyer? If she's guilty of all the allegations made against her why has she never went to court let alone jail? Or is it more likely that lots of people have been taken in by a story that's been heavily exaggerated and while there was probably inappropriate behaviour took place people are willing to burn anyone at the stake because they're judgemental arseholes? No multiple stalking convictions and jail terms, no sexual assault at a canal, no glass smashed off his head, no assault of his gf, no harassment of his parents, not as much communication as depicted. If that's closer to the truth it doesn't make her behaviour acceptable but it also doesn't make for a Netflix hit series either.
@rachellee25158 күн бұрын
Sir, with all due respect you might be confusing TV events that were created for enjoyment with the reality of our world.
@MeanEileen91616 күн бұрын
Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.
@jellybaby96308 күн бұрын
It's FICTION. Not Documentary.
@christiegrows202220 күн бұрын
What about the rapeist???
@cyndigooch116219 күн бұрын
THIS!!! ❤
@martinemulholland501220 күн бұрын
Prove she been convicted of stalking him. Cos if you can't. She gonna take for every penny
@unasperanza980319 күн бұрын
AN MP yesterday told of his horror after a stalker falsely accused him and his wife of abusing their disabled son. Labour's Jimmy Wray and wife Laura were visited by social workers investigating claims they had beaten four-year-old Frankie. The couple received death threats after Fiona Harvey, 36, was dismissed from Laura's former law firm. Wray, 63, said: "It is upsetting enough for Laura and myself, but for Frankie to be dragged into this was hugely distressing." FULL STORY - PAGE 5 COPYRIGHT 2002 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
@blazedray990318 күн бұрын
Who do you trust a stalker or someone who beats their disabled child
@unasperanza980318 күн бұрын
@@blazedray9903 She made it up the child was never abused she lied to get these people into trouble as she had beef with them. She is a dangerous sociopath.
@stevenwoodman103217 күн бұрын
It is SO great that they made her look and sound exactly like the real woman so Richard would be ok. What a weasel they guy talking is.
@pamelaerff185217 күн бұрын
I loved it perfection
@intothezombieapocalypse20 күн бұрын
wheres the proof of this conviction?? also... Gadd has said they made that part up and he had never reported her soooo. here there be lies lmao
@tiffanyh127420 күн бұрын
He doesn’t say she’s a convicted stalker. Clickbait. I never get why creators do this. You instantly lose trust with your audience when they see that you’ve lied. Don’t get it.
@RoughPuppets19 күн бұрын
he does
@misskitty490120 күн бұрын
She's a "convicted stalker"??!!! Didn't she deny that she was on the Piers interview?? Woahhh and if she is one, then Fiona has no leg to stand on because then this would actually make it a true story. Since that's what is the major point of discussion
@MeanEileen91616 күн бұрын
I think it is important that we as a society not focus on the gender aspect because it takes away from the fact that stalking is WRONG. HARMFUL, and can be perpetuated by anyone. Baby Reindeer brings the problem to the forefront and I think it’s beneficial that it can be seen from a perspective that brings more attention to stalking being a problem that be experienced from either a male or female.
@katjaxxx735320 күн бұрын
Surprise surprise 😳
@booradley0x019 күн бұрын
That woman is terrifying
@lisajayne7116718 күн бұрын
What is this?
@Michelle-wk4ek20 күн бұрын
Richard was using heavy drugs, so how can anyone take his word for anything remotely truthful.?
@chrishills242719 күн бұрын
Dear God, give it a rest
@mikekemp987719 күн бұрын
where was the convicted stalker mentioned?
@amirkarim230718 күн бұрын
Select committee MP got ripped apart
@bluj591719 күн бұрын
Did they actually show proof she was convicted??? I haven’t seen one iota of proof that she has.
@shannonomeara24318 күн бұрын
Exactly! Nothing whatsoever.
@melissajay722720 күн бұрын
She committed a crime, she is an adult, nothing to stop her being named and shamed. Why the he'll should Netflix call her and pamper her?! Would they call a murderer or burglar and ask them if it's ok to do a programme on them? Would 'Dispatches' or 60 minutes or the like do so? This is pathetic, imagine a man doing this to a woman. She's the one trying to get £1m for her sob story. She's a horrible woman.
@kayligo19 күн бұрын
Innocent until proven guilty, which is why it’s important to file charges. And lying about pressing charges when you didn’t is not ok. They said it’s a true story and it’s not. That’s a problem.
@Iwas20in200019 күн бұрын
i find this very confusing. in most interviews they all say she was never convicted but here they say she was ???
@danh563718 күн бұрын
Well I hope he has the evidence that she went to prison for stalking Gadd otherwise she’s gonna sue you into oblivion.
@bladeaok19 күн бұрын
don't understand why they keep claiming they attempted to hide anyones real identity, such bullshit
@misskathleen49018 күн бұрын
fyi going to jail isnt BEING convicted either. So she has a case.
@joeletaxi82120 күн бұрын
Was she ever convicted? Anyone know?
@kathleenj0120 күн бұрын
Apparently not.
@Grammarlings-cf8yw20 күн бұрын
no evidence has been given either way yet
@mobwatch811920 күн бұрын
According to Piers Morgan, she has no criminal convictions.
@samuelbarrett940320 күн бұрын
@@mobwatch8119Oh well that’s settled then if that wanker says so!
@hereiam294220 күн бұрын
This producer is nutts
@joseparcenary470620 күн бұрын
He says the person Martha is based on is a convicted stalker. So he's either refuting reports the character is based on Fiona Harvey or he's accusing Fiona Harvey of being a convicted stalker or he's just lying.
@unasperanza980319 күн бұрын
AN MP yesterday told of his horror after a stalker falsely accused him and his wife of abusing their disabled son. Labour's Jimmy Wray and wife Laura were visited by social workers investigating claims they had beaten four-year-old Frankie. The couple received death threats after Fiona Harvey, 36, was dismissed from Laura's former law firm. Wray, 63, said: "It is upsetting enough for Laura and myself, but for Frankie to be dragged into this was hugely distressing." FULL STORY - PAGE 5 COPYRIGHT 2002 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
@alternativebassist18 күн бұрын
Harvey has other victims. At least two of whom did get charges against her.
@AERIEDM20 күн бұрын
It was named 'Baby Reindeer'. A phrase 'Martha' used in the show and a phrase Fiona used. Surely, if you're going to hide the identity of the character you would provide an alternative name for the show?
@Moishe55520 күн бұрын
It's a great name though you have to admit. let's think of alternatives for fun though. Cariboo boo, seal pup, baby narwhal, wee lil' duck. Baby Reindeer is one of those things you only get from Hawley Arms banter as Fiona so eloquently refers.
@mobwatch811920 күн бұрын
They are insulting people's intelligence by claiming they had tried to mask her identity. Using her social media posts and a reference to a specific stuffed toy? Then claiming she "wouldn't be able to recognise herself"? Maybe she did stalk him; who knows. But they're lying about these issues. Dishonesty never looks good.
@keiranward616420 күн бұрын
Where does he say she IS a convicted stalker I never heard him say that what you say in the title he didn't say SHE Fiona did go to jail and was is a convicted stalker
@retrotvbg20 күн бұрын
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@mangostripes23356 күн бұрын
I get she’s mentally ill. But we name the stalkers that follow celebrities around and invade their space, even if they are mentally ill too. In this case I think he did her a favour by protecting her identity. As long as he didn’t slander her, which to the best of my knowledge he didn’t (stating the parts that were dramatised and those that are not), then it’s his fair game to use his story of stalking anyway he sees fit.
@gavinmaitland8018 күн бұрын
What IS this?! WHy not explain what it is we are watching???
@laurapitmon125319 күн бұрын
I saw her interview with Pierce Morgan and she's clearly disturbed. She kept contradicting herself which would make one think she's an habitual liar too. Donnie being raped and abused by Derrian was hard to watch. Why would Gadd put such a an intimate and demoralizing action out there for the world to see and make up a story about Martha stocking him. It doesn't make sense. I think there is truth to the story.
@Lynne907016 күн бұрын
Team Richard
@angelamarsters916920 күн бұрын
What I dont understand is if this woman is so concerned about having been identified, why put yourself out in the public forum instead of just going to ground, right ot wrong.
@tennisace4020 күн бұрын
Well where is the proof?Show it to me. Where is the court document?….This is incredibly easy.
@Fussyfarro720 күн бұрын
What is happening to the woman is very very wrong... very ver
@Mikehuntbeaverfalls20 күн бұрын
True 👍
@kerilockwood781920 күн бұрын
Stalking is very wrong! Very! And dangerous and illegal.
@Mikehuntbeaverfalls20 күн бұрын
@@kerilockwood7819 yes that is not in dispute but the "facts'" are.
@Rubia9156220 күн бұрын
Netflix exec "says" the Martha character is a convicted stalker in real life, but provides NO PROOF. #showreceipts
@Dorset_tanker_driver20 күн бұрын
Am I misunderstanding something here or are politicians discussing a TV show? Taxpayer money well spent as usual.
@BrickBasherUK20 күн бұрын
I'd rather they do that then piss all my taxes away on 4 star hotels for illegal immigrants
@SavannahHybridCubs15 күн бұрын
Why is it horrific abuse of the stalker all the time rather than the character Darrian? Makes no sense but keep harassing the old lady 👵
@kbbbnnnnnnnnnnn20 күн бұрын
No one identified the rapist! She isn't convicted! Show the public her criminal record, as nothing has been found! You can't say that without proof!
@asbisi20 күн бұрын
100% agreed!
@lesleyboyle747920 күн бұрын
Its Richard gadds story but that doesn't mean its the truth. This is a very private story. Feeling sorry for all involved.
@cyndigooch116219 күн бұрын
I've heard many counsellors etc on KZfaq advise people to stop oversharing, which is right, yet they do it themselves and some even give detailed accounts of their personal lives! I'm thinking that Richard Gadd had a right to do the show; however, I do agree that it's extremely personal and a lot of survivors, or anyone, would be traumatised by the content. 😥
@Kittiesdawn18 күн бұрын
Click bait!
@KateSimpkon20 күн бұрын
I’m yet to see proof of her convictions, stop all talking about it and show us the proof, if not Netflix need to lawyer up.
@unasperanza980319 күн бұрын
AN MP yesterday told of his horror after a stalker falsely accused him and his wife of abusing their disabled son. Labour's Jimmy Wray and wife Laura were visited by social workers investigating claims they had beaten four-year-old Frankie. The couple received death threats after Fiona Harvey, 36, was dismissed from Laura's former law firm. Wray, 63, said: "It is upsetting enough for Laura and myself, but for Frankie to be dragged into this was hugely distressing." FULL STORY - PAGE 5 COPYRIGHT 2002 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday