Clavier and Bach | Netherlands Bach Society

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'Clavier' in Bach's time can refer to various keyboard instruments. A harpsichord, clavichord, virginal or a fortepiano: Bach was familiar with all these instruments. But what exactly are the characteristics of these instruments and how do they differ from each other? In this special video, Siebe Henstra and Leo van Doeselaar show a range of various keyboard instruments from Bach's time - and later periods.
Bach often used the term 'Clavier' in his compositions for keyboard instruments, but he usually did not specify what type of instrument he had in mind. The question of which instrument a particular work should be played on was probably also considered less important in his day than it is now. In the performances of the Netherlands Bach Society we play on authentic instruments (or replicas). These instruments are discussed in this video, but also their successors in later periods.
Recorded for the project All of Bach on June 12th 2020 at Doesburg and Hilversum, The Netherlands. If you want to help us complete All of Bach, please subscribe to our channel bit.ly/2vhCeFB and consider donating bit.ly/2uZuMj5.
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Siebe Henstra, harpsichordist
Leo van Doeselaar, organist/pianist

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@bach 3 жыл бұрын

*Rectification: at 2:07 Siebe Henstra is talking about 'pennetje' (Dutch), which can best be translated as 'plectrum' or 'quill' (and not 'pin'). Also, at 6:42 Leo van Doeselaar mentions the instrument of Anton Walter, but by this he means the instrument of Weiss, which appears at 4:52.

@rozalinapiano Жыл бұрын

These fine musicians had mastered instruments that required different technic than what is critical for the type of instruments like Piano et forte that Bach helped Silbermann design, sold and promoted avidly. Expression of nuanced dynamics is achieved by engagement of wrist on hammer-action claviers. And it is a special skill that once mastered, pays back with great expression. But organ and harpsichord do not require such approach since they have no capacity for dynamic diversity. This different technique is likely the major challenge for harpsichord and organ players to deliver dynamically nuanced performance on hammer action clavier. But traditionally they are considered “the gurus” of Bach’s standard for scholarly approach to his music ( valid for their true merits on different instruments) I don’t mean to offend anyone, but instead, am trying to help the intentions of the composer to come through. I know NBS cares a great deal about passionate performance of Bach’s music and SATO is superb at this on violin! Let’s remember that Bach had to sacrifice a lot for his musical rebellion of insisting on diverse dynamics during his time that we take for granted today - thanks to him... Time to honor this...

@benjaminniemczyk 3 жыл бұрын

Netherlands Bach has created one of the most important video libraries of not just performance but also educational materials. Unique, so far as I know. Thank you, NB.

@xavierjarvis588 3 жыл бұрын

The 'birthday bell' was hilarious!

@tylermcneil5239 3 жыл бұрын

Harpischord is my favorite instrument. That plucking sound is so satisfying.

@Leon-un5kz 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing! Love these "real life" Videos, especially with van Doeselaar! Didnt know he was a pianist too..

@Soordhin 3 жыл бұрын

Normally every organist starts out as a pianist. Tried to learn the organ as my first instrument, all teachers required me to have at least a year or more of piano training done before they would take me on.

@Leon-un5kz 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I started with Organ when I had 9 years of Piano experience. It was just surprising, because personally, I think its pretty difficult to get enough practice time for both the instruments, to be playing at such a high level as Van Doeselaar...

@BurkPrael Жыл бұрын

love these guys and the lifestyle portrayed here. Seeing them in this more casual setting and getting a glimpse of their homes is just such a treat (on top of all the musical value and insights provided)

@joseleonido3479 2 ай бұрын

The fact van Doeselaar has this much instruments in his house shows how blessed this organization is.

@espressonoob 3 жыл бұрын

These videos are always lovely, please do more of them!

@johnerskine8367 3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating! It makes a refreshing change to see and hear more personal views like this, which are still informative and inspiring. And what wonderful collections of instruments! Thank you very much.

@grrre87 3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful little stroll through clavier history. Thank you.

@TheTmackey 5 ай бұрын

So wonderful!! Thank you both … and team!!

@TonyBittner-Collins 3 жыл бұрын

The harpsichord, clavichord, and fortepiano are my favourite ones.

@turpialito 3 жыл бұрын

What a treasure trove! Even old Bach lovers like me pick up a new thing or two every time Mr. van Doeselar plays or speaks. Thanks yet again and cheers!

@benjaminniemczyk 3 жыл бұрын

FINALLY a brilliant, simple, straight-forward introduction to these wonderful instruments! And as usual with Netherlands Bach: SUPERB.

@MitchBoucherComposer 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video, NBS! I enjoy videos like these a lot.

@notaire2 3 жыл бұрын

Sehr verständlich und informativ! Es ist erstaunlich, dass die authentische Tradition der deutschen Barockmusik viel besser in den Niederlande als in Deutschland konserviert ist. Danke wie immer!

@theMusicWellOrg 3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful to hear these masters discuss it all; the general NBS fan might not think about these issues, but keyboardists thirst for the instrument info. We usually cannot carry our instrument in a case to the gig, after all ;-), but coax the music out of whatever instrument we play at any given venue.

@franciscoe.novalessalinas4981 3 жыл бұрын

HERMOSAS HISTORIAS DE ANTIGUOS INSTRUMENTOS.CREADOS POR HOMBRES GENIALES. GRACIAS MAESTROS. DESDE MÉXICO

@sadrashahin1532 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice. Please do more of this video's, i really want know the story behind the instramenet ans peiced (like the passion) And please please be more active on Spotify

@gerdforster883 3 жыл бұрын

That was - once again - a very enjoyable video to watch. The enthusiasm of the two for the music and their instruments is catching.

@geestelijkeconcerten144 Жыл бұрын

Informatief en mooi filmpje! Mij is alleen nog niet duidelijk geworden of Bach ook op een fortepiano heeft gespeeld. Hij moet de ontwikkeling ervan van nabij hebben gevolgd. Een bepaald instrument ontbreekt nog en dat is het zogenaamde "Lautenwerk" waarvan Bach er twee in zijn bezit had en dat was naar verluid zijn favoriete instrument naast het clavichord. Dat doet mij de mening post vatten dat de muziek van Bach expressief genoeg geïnterpreteerd mag worden, dus ook een moderne vleugel is denk ik, mits mooi vertaald, genoeg om Bachs muziek te laten schitteren. Ik vind oude muziekinstrumenten bij tijd en wijle geweldig maar soms neigt het naar zo authentiek mogelijk willen uitvoeren zodat ik soms weleens het gevoel krijg dat men de muziek van Bach als museumkunst ziet, als een oud schilderij en niet als een uiterst levendige expressie.

@davidschestenger7350 3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating, thank you for a wonderful and fun explanation We don’t finish to heard Bach, always is a fresh and new

@sci-fritz70FM Жыл бұрын

Did you know? Mozart's fortepiano was built by Anton Walter, and it lies in own's Mozart home, it's actually a museum.

@grafvonsylt 3 жыл бұрын

One of the Best Videos!

@jack-danielbalantine156 3 жыл бұрын

Two masters!!

@steveneardley7541 3 жыл бұрын

The single most important innovation in the piano was the introduction of the cast-iron plate by Steinway, around 1850. It allowed the strings to be heavier and under much greater tension. This increased the sustaining power of the notes dramatically. It made the piano more of a "singing" instrument. Before that, notes died away so quickly that long notes were imagined rather than heard. With heavier strings came heavier hammers. This allowed for the powerful fortes of the modern piano.

@lenanielsen5903 3 жыл бұрын

An absolutely wonderful video🍃

@HermanSchimmel 3 жыл бұрын

Dank voor deze mooie mini docu

@SuddenUpdraft 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. And thank you very much for the English subtitles.

@youngmipark4836 3 жыл бұрын

하프시코드 소리 좋아 하는데, 세월의 흐름에 따라 변화된 악기들의 소리는 다들 각자의 아름다움이 있네요. Thanks NBS!

@sukeywatson1281 2 жыл бұрын

Bach is p e of those composers whose music can truly be beautiful on just about any instrument. I even play Bach on my various digital keyboards and I enjoy it just as much on those as my acoustic instruments.

@Fusray 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for so much for your research and sharing it

@hiw9528 4 ай бұрын

This is so very interesting! I would have liked to see the mechanics a bit closer.

@rebanelson607 Жыл бұрын

I love these videos!

@genewood9062 3 жыл бұрын

Great way to start my day!

@corgilove2070 3 жыл бұрын

Or end my day...

@jimenahuenchupan6026 2 жыл бұрын

Me encantan estos instrumentos.

@BaroquetoClassical 3 жыл бұрын

Nicely done!

@nicolaasstam1611 3 жыл бұрын

Geweldige video!

@Chrissychris88 2 жыл бұрын

Such a good video!!

@user-74652 3 жыл бұрын

I wish I had the space, both in my budget and in my home, to own all those different keyboard instruments. I am quite envious of Van Doeselaar.

@maheshchauhan990 3 жыл бұрын

Great !

@xiaolanliu1786 3 жыл бұрын

this is very nice! I never met Bach so I don't know anything about baroque instruments!

@timbauer1618 3 жыл бұрын

nice!

@SoggySandwich80 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like if I’ve been playing for as long as he did I wouldn’t enjoy it anymore also henstras house is my dream

@anthonydasilva1680 3 жыл бұрын

Great video ! I'm sure Bach would have loved the grand piano. Play Bach on everything you want !

@man0sticks 3 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. No question that Bach would have been happy to own a modern grand piano. Were he alive today, I can imagine him using a synthesizer. But you must know that by stating that Bach should be played on anything and everything you are baiting the inevitable purist scolds.

@anthonydasilva1680 3 жыл бұрын

@@man0sticks I really don't understand those said purists... Music is art yes but it's also recreative... it's supposed to be fun !

@rozalinapiano 3 жыл бұрын

Read my comment and follow the link on distortion of the truth about Music legacy of J.S.Bach

@rozalinapiano 3 жыл бұрын

Purists should learn to play J.S.Bach with most bold dynamics on the pianos, according to composer’s intentions

@thecelticgiraffe 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating discussion. I had no idea there were all of these options for Bach music. How the heck did they get some of those instruments in those houses! LOL.

@luuktorn 3 жыл бұрын

I always like this informative videos!

@FingersKungfu Жыл бұрын

I recently played some Bach (little) pieces on a harpsichord and I felt they were meant to be played with the harpsichord. After that experience, playing Bach on the piano become less satisfying as it suddenly feels too loud or too quite. I guess that was why they called it the Forte-piano, since it doesn't have the even-ness of the harpsichord.

3 жыл бұрын

I think the Aria from the Goldberg Variations sounds equally beautiful when played on any keyboard instrument.

@christianwouters6764 3 жыл бұрын

Bach meant the Goldberg for a 2 manual instrument, so harpsichord would be the right choice.

@consti1873 3 жыл бұрын

@@christianwouters6764 true, but i think that was a rather practical decision. Some of those variations are very tricky to play with lots of hand-crossing. On a mondern piano the keys are big enough so that it's possible to play it on one keyboard. But don't even bother trying it on an old clavichord or fortepiano.

@bifeldman 3 жыл бұрын

Where does one get a suntan in Utrecht this time of year?

@marinusholland 3 жыл бұрын

Leuke video

@bobh5087 3 жыл бұрын

It's so interesting seeing, and hearing, the evolution of these keyboard instruments leading up to our modern pianos. Watching this it occurred to me that the ORGAN has undergone FAR LESS evolution/development than these stringed instruments - with only the addition of electric blowers and computerized stop/combination action, really. And the computers are completely unnecessary for playing an organ, as can be seen in new fully-mechanical-action organs today. The actual organs - the pipes, windchests, trackers, etc., - are made in virtually the same way today as they were 300 years ago.

@edwinschi 3 жыл бұрын

Ik vind het prachtig Bach op een Steinway! En je zult het nooit weten maar Bach moet het denk ik geweldig hebben gevonden een piano van nu In die zin zijn muzikanten veel pramatischer dan historici . En hoeft de waarheid niet altijd ver weg gezocht te worden.

@MrJuraso 3 жыл бұрын

Bach chibcha desde Colombia 🇨🇴,

@sjkiiiiiim 9 ай бұрын

1:49 3:21 4:51 6:16 8:32

@rozalinapiano 3 жыл бұрын

Please, re-record this video and make your point loud and clear both in demos on fortepiano and in your comments. No wonder most comments reflect confusion of the viewers It’s time for bold clarity! Finally!

@jlapierremusic 3 жыл бұрын

How about you make your own video if you dont think this ones good enough, i dare you

@grandcompositeur846 3 жыл бұрын

Where can I to buy a original manuscript of "das wohltemperierte klavier "?😭😭

@lokmanmerican6889 3 жыл бұрын

Why doesn't the jack pluck the string a second time as it goes down after the key is released?

@vidselih 3 жыл бұрын

Jack doesn't pluck the string, the plectrum does. Plectrum is a part of the tongue, that is a part of the jack. Tongue pivots around an axis and so plectrum moves away from the string on the way down, when the key is released. You can see how it works by googling harpsichord and looking at what wikipedia has to say....

@user-eh8bc2ux3y 3 жыл бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpsichord#/media/File:Harpsichord_jack_action.svg

@huachicoyotl2064 3 жыл бұрын

El sonido me recuerda un poco a la mandolina

@user-kt3ut8ge5r 3 жыл бұрын

i'm waiting for Trevor Pinnock

@ruperttmls7985 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe Ton Koopman... the maestro Pinnock is resting this years...

@carlnuernberg3273 3 жыл бұрын

@@ruperttmls7985 RIP.

@carlnuernberg3273 3 жыл бұрын

So rude!

@ruperttmls7985 3 жыл бұрын

Pinnock is alive.

@jct35j 3 жыл бұрын

If Bach had had a Steinway he would have NOT used the other ones... it is painfully obvious to most except you ;)

@corgilove2070 3 жыл бұрын

Bach never had a piano...kind of a moot point.

@rozalinapiano 2 жыл бұрын

@@corgilove2070 J.S.Bach had Piano et forte and sold them too with receipts, while one of them had survived, but is being withheld from the public. Just ask his archive and they will send Engoush translation of it ... and it will blow your mind

@rozalinapiano 2 жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree! Read my long comment and follow the link that will blow you mind about Piano et forte that Bach sold and gave receipt for with his signature. Let me know what you think of this liberating news pls

@David_Fernandez 3 жыл бұрын

Ahhh!! Finally you took away that annoying music introduction! How did you take so long?? ...finally we can arrive with our ears clean to the videos.

@guscox9651 3 жыл бұрын

Lol, it is pretty annoying to be fair

@corner559 3 жыл бұрын

Bach on the Steinway just sounds wrong.

@gerardvila4685 3 жыл бұрын

Depends on what you're used to. I would guess Bach himelf would be fascinated... just as he would to hear a Rhodes piano or a Wurlitzer or a Yamaha DX synth. After all the man made use of just about every instrument he could get his hands on. My humble opinion is that the player is more important than the instrument. E.g., I happen to own two clavichords - but I can only play a couple of pages of Bach on them...

@jacobusbinnema3096 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. He would probably composed different music had he known a Steinway.

@corner559 3 жыл бұрын

@@Robert_1685 Um, nope.

@rozalinapiano 3 жыл бұрын

You missed the point of this presentation! But it isn’t made clear enough by the presenters who need to admit WITH OPEN CLARITY the error by NBS of recording his clavier music on harpsichord, instead of fortepiano that composer intended for his clavier music.

@rozalinapiano 3 жыл бұрын

Eureka! You got it right intuitively! Read my above comment and follow the link

@ethanb2554 3 жыл бұрын

"This is where The Organist lives." If the world were right, "The Organist" would be living in a castle not a fucking flat sharing walls with two different neighbors.

@rozalinapiano 3 жыл бұрын

😆! COGNITIVE DISSONANCE in this video is almost funny, but it isn’t, it is very disappointing... The key Essence is still amiss: the demonstration on dynamically diverse instrument does NOT have dynamic expression! So what’s the point this video is making? Why can’t NBS say openly and with much more clarity: “NBS had practiced traditional blind spot and been mistaken for years, by recording J.S.Bach’s Music for clavier on harpsichords, when WRITTEN EVIDENCE - signed by J.S.Bach sales receipt for >>>Piano et forte

@jlapierremusic 3 жыл бұрын

Nah

@rodthom86 3 жыл бұрын

Nobody cares. Just enjoy music.

@leonardschick5257 3 жыл бұрын

Badura-Skoda was wrong. I am just writing on the subject. Bach was certainly not against Silbermann‘s pianos, but Badura-Skoda made some blatantly wrong claims: she claims the German words „Flügel“ or „Clavicymbel“ could mean piano, however I have checked the terminology in several dozens of historical documents; in central Germany a Fortepiano was always called Fortepiano... so many of her conclusions are wrong. Bach didn’t own a Fortepiano when he died, for instance. Clavier meant keyboard or clavichord. Most of Bach’s keyboard music carries the word Clavier, except Goldberg and the French ouverture and Italian concerto which are for „Clavicymbel“. Probably Bach was thinking of a big diversity of instruments; he owned 5 harpsichords, 2 lute harpsichords (gut strings), a spinet, 3 clavichords and a Clavichord pedalboard. So he was certainly not looking for „the one ideal“ instrument. Btw he must have encountered the first Fortepiano in the 1730‘s or before. In 1740 he designed a new lute harpsichord. So obviously the piano didn’t make the harpsichord outdated in his eyes. A lot can be said and I have already 180 pages about it... just some of the points...

@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo 3 жыл бұрын

Rozalina gimme a fucking break! Badura skoda is a notorious pseudo historian and a fantasist who doesnt know a hoot about historical instruments or baroque era.

@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo 3 жыл бұрын

ps: and with your out of control rants in the comment section you really come off as the musical equivalent of a flat-earther. You better keep your tin foil hat on and rush back to your little factory made modern japanese piano to play Bachs italian concert and tell yourself it is written for piano so you can feel special. And I wouldn't be surprised if you would start to claim that Bach wrote his choral vorspiele and organ sonatas for harmonium.... but you most likely already made that claim.