Fowler Tenders are truly beautiful. Bachmann's coal load is unique too, never seen a coal load that wasn't full to the top

Sam when a train has something wrong with it *Heljan flashbacks*

Your “getting started on model railways” video has really helped me know what to do for and with model trains. I hope to get a few Hornby assets for my birthday!

I've just come back to this channel after a while, and I had forgotten how brilliant it is

An amazing videos Sam. Really enjoyed hearing the history on the magnificent model. Can not wait to see more videos like this. An amazing loco very interesting. Hope you enjoy your new locomotive. Take care of yourself

The LMS crimson looks great on that loco! Amazing review as always Sam! -Dj (:

Great review Sam I have duke of Sutherland but in the old hornby tender drive and it is really good

Hi Sam, great video as always. I would like to recommend the Bachmann standard 3MT tank engine, it is a lovely model and works🤞really well

"Knocked for six". I had to look that one up. I'm always learning something from Sam's videos - usually about British rail - now about UK slang and cricket.

18:55 What an amazing shot of all 3 locomotives running at the same time! :D

Beautiful model Sam! Can’t wait for the replica to be completed!

Can’t wait until the stream tomorrow- I can see that you have some exciting new locos! I have just ordered an LNER black Oxford N7 and I am super excited!

The red paint is beautiful, I think it’s called Tuscan red Pennsylvania railroad had locomotives painted in this stunning red!

This engine looks marvellous. We may not have any of the original LMS Patriots around anymore, but at least one new member is being rebuilt from scratch, which of course is the Unknown Warrior.

Trying to multitask right now. On TSW waiting for a class 31 hauled railtour on the East Coastway while watching. Just found a nice trick to see the railtour with a loco of your choice by choosing the loco, then leaving the train and riding on the train to Eastborne. The railtour will be close behind, so you can get off wherever you want to see it!

I'm loving all the reviews on the locomotives Sam.

I have the Bachmann Jubilee. It has a similar mechanism. It's coming apart and going to rebuild it so it looks and performs like a hornby loco which should bring it up to standard with all my other express engines, all of which except the jubilee are hornby

Ah, the unrebuilt Pats. Famous for - the 2hr London-Birmingham flyers, the Manchester/Liverpool-Glasgow trains and the Liverpool (both from Lime Street and Exchange) - Newcastle trains, although they usually were engine swapped at Leeds City. Oh, and used to be often seen doing the London-Blackpool trains too.

5541 Built: 1933 Numbers: 5541, M5541, 45541 Names: Duke Of Sutherland Class: Patriot Configuration: 4-6-0 Rebuilt: N/A Withdrawn: 1962 Status: Scrapped

My quest to see the class 31 railtour was successful! Shame the service in front didn't stop at every station, but at least I saw it!

When looking at old pictures of the new Patriot, one set of shots that intrigues me shows the loco with its smokebox, but no boiler (or side rods or tender). I've also been considering incorporating a boiler-less image when developing a background for my Urie G16 OC.

Bit more about this loco: Numbers: 5903, 5541,45541 Names: Duke Of Sutherland Built: August 1933 at Crewe Rebuilt: - Withdrawn: June 1962

Suppose I will have to explain to my history teacher why I'm taking a 30 minute break from my schoolwork...

Great video Can't wait for the live! I'll definitely be there!! :D

18:30 motor swap: you may be able to up-spec the motor to five-pole, by keeping the motor shell and just change the armature for a five. this requires some careful measuring and sourcing. alternatively remove the armature windings, skew the armature plates a few degrees (5/6/7 deg?? ish), then replace the windings. when you rewind you can use different gauge wire and / or more / fewer turns to up the current flow - and thus the power characteristics of the motor. standard slot racing tactic back in the mid sixties.

Lucky enough to see several prototypes at Bristol TM in the early 60's when I was a train spotting kid .Didn't see many as (as you said ) they started scrapping them early doors .

It reminds me a lot of Big City Engine in The Railway Series, he appeared in the episode in "Gordon Goes Foreign" in Eight Famous Engines, episode planned for the second season but it was canceled due to the big budget to build locomotives, stations and wagons. Too bad we didn't get to see Big City Engine in the series.

I must say that this is beautiful, and the reason why I am late is because i was watching a film with the family and then had to run to Tesco

“Unknown Warrior”, what an interesting name for a rebuilt version of the Patriot Class locomotive! :P

No proper bearings on a loco that expensive! That's awful!

I have 5530 Sir Frank Ree and yes it has tender pickups and a 21 pin socket. Mine also came with etched nameplates. Although mine seems to be missing the steps and doors in the packet and it was purchased new.

i’m new to trains and i am in love with steam locomotives! especially this one thanks Sam!!

Saw a Patriot in the early 60's at Leicester London Road Station. Very unusual, great excitment for us young trainspotters.

The odd one out: the k1 at toytown south- it's a mogul!

Lms crimson has to be my favourite livery!😄

The Patriot Locomotives look so nice, but I wished that there was one preserved instead of scrapping them all, however I am happy that there is one new one being built.

That does look stunning in the LMS Maroon, a shame about the motor, for me that makes it a no buy. Not much point buying a loco with a bad mechanism. It was nice seeing the Applegreen Patriot running again, I remember seeing that in one of your videos from way back. I really think it fits the rebuilt Patriot. Also, the odd one out is the D49.

We need an Oxford modell review in the near future....i cant see this anymore! Bachmann: Good Details, Stupid Mechanism Horby: Good Mechanism, 80% Plastic..... And the sentence "i cant see this anymore!" was more a funny way! Keep the good work Sam! 😂👍🏻

I remember that some of the more modern lms patriot the ones with the more standard boiler were name after country’s of Canada like Ontario, New Brunswick the list goes on.

My later version 31-204 Sir Frank Ree does have a slightly more detailed cab and tender pickups. Looking at the exploded view of the mechanism, it looks the same.

I've got a Patriot Class one myself with the LMS red livery on it. It was in Hornby's Railroad range in the early 2010's

Hornby has the rebuilt Patriots which they are still available on their website and the retailers also have them Sam's Trains.

A real beauty, I have the hornby Patriot Bradshaw in BR Brunswick Green.

Once the unknown warrior is completed, she must be in lms red livery. And I have seen her cab in British Railways Brunswick green, but lms red is most appropriate for an engine built post br.

Speaking of the Patriot Class, there's a Thomas & Friends locomotive that's based on this exact locomotive, but he only appears in the Railway Series and not the Television Series. The engine is called the 'Big City Engine' although I'm not sure if he had an actual name other than 'Big City Engine', I don't think his real name is mentioned anywhere, even on the Wikipedia page. I guess this is what he refers himself as, interesting. If you haven't seen him before, search up 'Big City Engine' on Google and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Given that they are both models of the same locomotive, there might be a way to fettle the bachmann bodywork to accept a Hornby railroad chassis, might be worth checking the retailers (or eBay) for a cheap pre-owned railroad patriot and try fitting the bachmann bodywork to it

Wow just amazing i love your videos thay bring me and all your fans joy good work Sam

I will order my Patriot soon. Can't wait to see The Unkown Warrior when it is done. Will be very interesting to see another Fowler design on the mainline again.

I thought is was an older model due to the space between loco and tender. It is a lovely model.

Picked mine up for £60 in a local 2nd hand shop. I haven't had any issues with motor performance with it, but it does seem a bit short on haulage power compared to other locos in my collection. Does look beautiful though

It’s Baby Scott! Or the foreign engine, depending where you learned you locomotive classes. Also, Sam, what was the livery of the DJM well tank you returned?

I remember the days of 55k subs, well done Sam!

5541 Duke Of Sutherland? Now you need 6233 Duchess Of Sutherland XD

I love rails of Sheffield. Always have good deals on eBay, being a Brit modeling modern USA railroads they've been a godsend when it comes to wagons and other rolling stock :D

This is steam locomotive LMS Sam's train it's wonderful actually. When u has steam how do you know that things.

I have the exact same Patriot, love the model, a bargain for the £85 I paid, though I could never pay £180 for such model

4:55 The front set of bogey wheels looks pretty weird when the Patriot Class is lifted off the ground.

I have the old hornby railways duke of Sutherland and I love it.

Hiya Sam - In my Collection I only have 2 4-6-0 :- British Railways Light Green Welbeck Abbey No. 61619 which came with the Hornby 'Signature Range' - East linc Special and also... British Railways Light Green West Ham United No. 61672 which came with the 'East Coast Express' set ( I have a few other 4-6-0's but they are static models & in this instance - don't really count!!!) Any way what make this interesting is...They both have a wire going from the Loco to the tender - now this is the interesting bit...with the '61619' if I put the Tender on the track only & lift the Loco slight off the track (so the wheels don't touch the track) - the wheels will turn in mid air!!! But if I do the same with the 61672 Loco - does the same happen??? NOPE - the wheels do not turn - the wire is for the Chip only & NO Pick-ups on the Tender wheels :( Also NO Pick-ups on both of the front 'Pony wheels' on the Locos!!!

Couldn't you just solder in a new 5 poll motor in place of the 3 poll one, that should be possible right?

Like so many locos Sam, they seem to be made for static display not regular operations due to the poor mechanisms used. I became very disheartened with after long running sessions, the coupling rods would wear at the pins that fixed them to the wheels. Locos that are now over 40 years old, don't have the problem at all...Ah well that's my moan of the day...Thanks again for your frank and honest review...Bob

Hey Sam! I'm very proud to be your subscriber

Plus I love the LMS Crimson color.

Sam, you're making me fall in love with British Steam!!! 💘😁👍👍 That is indeed a beautiful Model. Shame that the mechanism lets it down so much. I'd have to say that the new one, having the electronics in the Tender, SHOULD have Tender pickups. Carmine ✈🚂🚙

Weren’t there two of these things painted green in real life? Along with some of the Patriot Class?

I love the Patriot class, and Bachmann do seem to make the best detailed model... but given the very iffy mechanism, I think I'll stick with my Hornby Patriots - I have an old one and a newer one, and they're both solid runners, and good looking on the layout from a distance, even if they show up a bit against the Bachmann when you get close to some of the detailing.

Hi Sam. I have got one of the newer ones from Bachmann. Can't remmber how much I paid. Mine is a BR green one. It's got the 21 pin DCC socket in. It does have tender pick ups. The Cab detail is a bit better. But I would say the mechanism is the same as yours. I find it a little under powered. I have the latest Hornby one which is a great model it's much heavier and can pull more. But the newer bachmann one comes with etched name plates in the extra detail

I’m so annoyed at the fact that my brand new N7 has just stopped working. (Story time): I noticed it was making quite the noise when running after I first got it at Xmas but didn’t take any notice in it. I got my layout out the other day and fired her up, I headed to the toilet and come back and she’s making a horrid sound and had completely stopped running I immediately thought it had just got stuck on the junction and gave it a push, it just began to slide along the track, so I took it downstairs with my mini screwdriver kit and committed an operation to try and figure out what was causing it (this was my first time taking apart a loco), I cleared away some dust in the arches and wheels put her back together, thinking this would have been the problem I placed her back on the track and she had just given up on life fully and didn’t run so I’ve now got to wait till my model train shop reopens again to try and get a specialist to take a look...

I love watching all the rods moving and I found out yesterday that some John bull toys are oo scale

Since you comment on my video my mehano Is running well now Thanks Sam

Hi Sam. As you say, externally it is a beautiful model. Do you mean that the Bachmann and Chinese motors are completely incompatible? Presumably, you couldn't swap the Hornby motor for the Bachmann?

The shape and the smoke deflectors kind of make it look like a schools class

Speaking of fowler, I got the BR black 4p tank engine and it is very impressive. Also, do you still have that mainline collet goods loco because maybe you could do another review on it?

Cool model. Return cranks are the wrong way round for piston valve

I have the exact loco u have Sam it’s not a bad loco could of done with tender pick ups but the detail is it great 👍🏻

I really like engines with smoke deflectors

Hi Sam. Thanks for reviewing this great looking patriot, I'd put my money down on a hornby one though as you say far superior mechanism. Cheers mate keep up the good work 👍

I can already hear this guy and Gordon arguing: Reginald: You look quite smashing with those trucks Gordon! Gordon: Oh be quiet! Reginald: Ohahaha! Gordon: GRGEGRRRR!

Shockingly there isn’t a rebuilt of the class that has the Maroon livery with yellow lining.

hi sam awesome video and is there a stream tomorrow cause i need to wake up early thx hope your well.

is the bachmann motor common to most of their types? maybe you could find a wrecked engine and salvage its motor? would be curious to know if you could fit one of those replacement 5-pole motors anyway. sad that it has overheating problems when they could have used that metal plate as a heatsink.

Excited for the live!

I wonder if you could modify the Bachmann body on the Hornby chassis (bit of lockdown kit bashing)?

Ive been watching you for 4 years now! :DD And you still seem to impress me with these reviews! Awesome video!

Another good review, Sam! I think that it wouldn't be that difficult to fit tender pickups and wire them up accordingly. I'm sure that you could retrofit a different motor in to the Bachman Patriot.

you should get a princess coronation in crimson red its beautiful even in railroad range

@19:25 Ah Bullman riding the BR Patriot, good choice Bullman.

Oh drat! What an absolutely beautiful loco, but that mechanism though. :( I wish I could find one of the newer ones from the retailers, but I can’t seem to find any!

Hope to see a rivarossi lms patriot review on this channel otherwise this will be a great channel on top of others

Hey Sam, you fancy a Pennsylvania Railroad duplex? They had T1's, a Q series, an S1, and a few more.

If I was a model railway enthusiast, I'd probably go for the Hornby Railroad version because it's a lot cheaper than Bachmann's version and also it has a better mechanism than Bachmann's version. Even though it's not super detailed, it's still suitable for beginners who are into model railways! :D

I think the LMS maroon is the best livery yet Sam what’s your favourite livery

Great glass case modellers item. Sensible idea to review the Bachmann back catalogue rather than buying new! When you undid it I noticed it had a nylon gear like the loco in the Hornby Anglian Set, which also has no tender pickups. The Bachmann Patriot must be a version of the earlier Mainline model since Kader Industries which owns Bachmann bought out Palitoy which owned Mainline. I think the re-use of old tooling to create a new release of a model at high price is one of the oldest tricks in the book! Thanks for uploading.

Your right it is old my great grandfather had one of this exact one

Gosh, even if they didn't intend to fit bearings, you'd think they could have at least put U shaped cutouts in the chassis. Even old Tri-ang things had circular holes. Looks lovely though. Cheers.

Hey Sam, the train that I looked at is kinda like Hiro from the Thomas and Friends tv show (season 20 or 23). I wonder what your gonna do next for a train review, you'll figure something out. Your videos are getting very interesting to me and I hope your next video that you do will be awesome. I hope you get to review Thomas with Annie and Clarabel (Thomas with the moving eyes). If you have that model then I'm not gonna force you to review it, it's your choice and your choice alone. Kind regards, Paul Bowman.

Lovely, can't wait for the W1 Hush Hush

I hope the latest patriot will get a better motor at least decent.

Very nice review and very nice looking locomotive! Also, I know this is a question that is not about this product but how can I preorder a Hornby Rolex anniversary set? Thanks and have a good day!

hello sam i went on hattons and the one on there is £152 and im wondering if i should give it a try and I think the LMS maroon on this model looks so beautiful and will you be getting the new one and love the video from david