Back to the Old and it's Good: Rando Bars

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Henrywildeberry

Henrywildeberry

3 жыл бұрын

After a few months of test riding the Maes Parallel handlebars I've decided to go back to the randonneuring bars. In this video I share my thoughts on how the rando bars feel better and why I set them up contrary to traditional positioning.
#nitto #randonneuring #cycling
Music in this video:
"Living in a Dream", by Twin Guns.

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@studio650films
@studio650films 3 жыл бұрын
I recognize a few segments from Jørgen Leth's "A Sunday in Hell" (1977) film on Paris Roubaix. Can you list the other films that you sourced the racing footage from?
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
Sure, I'm happy to try and list some of the footage I was able to find. I found most of these searching KZfaq or Google for Fausto Coppi and Eddy Merckx. Here's the list as best as I can recreate (some of these were listed since I watched them but may not have used any of the clips): 1. 1949 Tour d' France by British Pathe 2. 1952 Giro d' Italia Maglia Rosa "Fausto Coppi" 3. 1960 Giro d' Italia Jaques Anquetil 4. 1949 Giro d' Italia Cuneo Pinerolo 5. The Stars and the Water Carriers 1973 Giro d' Italia 6. 1972 Tour de France Stage 13 Eddy Merckx 7. Eddy Merckx 1969 and 1970 during the Tour de France
@studio650films
@studio650films 3 жыл бұрын
@@Henrywildeberry Thanks for ID-ing the race footage, all those long, low stems!! Lol. "Stars and Water Carriers" is also a film directed by Jørgen Leth, fyi.
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
Mark Eastman Thanks for pointing out the name of the original director. I found most of these clips on unrelated KZfaq channels, with the few noted exceptions, and wasn't able to figure out who created the original work. Thank you! I'll pin this comment to the top for others reference in the future!
@reehren
@reehren 3 жыл бұрын
Another good one is Vive le Tour, a Louis Malle film of the 1962 race: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aNR8q6R83Nqmkmg.html
@edLambshanks
@edLambshanks 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of the Merckx footage is from Joel Santoni's beautiful 1974 documentary La Course En Tete - music by David Munrow (of the Early Music Consort of London).
@db8556
@db8556 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding getting bars in and out of a quill stem, we used to remove the stem clamp bolt and then put a coin in the slot to hold it slightly more open. Less likely to mess up the engraving on a nice Nitto or Cinelli bar.
@Spanderson99
@Spanderson99 3 ай бұрын
Excellent nuggets like this are the reason I still read KZfaq comments!
@wallacedavidg
@wallacedavidg 3 жыл бұрын
“Bike rules” the ones I love are the unwritten rules.
@masondanner6481
@masondanner6481 3 жыл бұрын
I love the rando bars. I had a really comfortable cockpit setup on a modern compact bar with TRP Hylex brakes, which have an insanely long hood. When the caliper wore out, I decided to switch to mechanicals and then an ultra modern GRX Di2 on a semi-custom frame, and just fought hand numbness on the same bars I had run for years with the TRP hoods. I tried a few different types of compact bars and my hands would just fall asleep after 30 minutes no matter what I did. I went for a casual ride with a friend and noticed how much more room he had to move his hands around on the rando bars. Got to thinking about it, and the reason the compact bar with Hylex hoods worked, is the hood is so long it opened up a lot of hand positions for me. I switched to the rando bars, with their nice long ramps and hand problems solved. Beyond that, I spent so much time and money working with no less than 4 professional fitters, two of whom were physical therapists, and the last one used a lot of high speed motion capture equipment, to address some minor knee pain and it totally exacerbated a back pain issue I have fought the last ten years. It ruined the late summer for me as I just couldn't ride more than 20 miles without being in pain. I was looking at some photos from 2018, from right before I started seeing bike fitters again (a coach fit me when I raced years ago), and noted how much less saddle setback I had. Like probably 1-2 INCHES less saddle setback. Bike fitter/high speed camera brought me from straight seatpost with saddle a tad forward to slammed back on a set back seatpost. I kept moving the saddle forward and forward, went back to a straight seatpost, until the back pain went away. It felt like there was more pressure on my knees then there needed to be, so I experimented with moving my cleats back and that fixed the pressure on my knees. I know I am not in a totally optimal position, I could put out more power if I were further back, right until my back gave out. Anyway, my point is your spot on in this video, a little experimentation is sometimes what we need to find the best position for us.
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope it helps to give some others out there who might be reading this some ideas on how they might fine tune their own position. It's great to hear you've found a comfortable position. None of the other aspects of a bike make any difference if you can't ride it because you're suffering from too much pain.
@ilyapo
@ilyapo 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos take on a very original style, I really love that!
@podrugiejstronie7006
@podrugiejstronie7006 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the video about handlebars. You have dispelled some of my doubts. All the best!
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 2 жыл бұрын
"Ride upgrades, don't buy them" One of Eddy M's greatest quotes in regards to 'cycling technology'. I'll keep saying it, modern 'bicycle technology' is mere job security for mechanics like myself! I won't recommend much of it, but it keeps me really busy! That's one of the few good things I have to say about it. Want some really comfortable bars? Try out Nitto Noodles for something different.
@cobykluth1878
@cobykluth1878 3 жыл бұрын
The vintage racing footage was aces, as well as your info on handle bar tech and how it relates to body positioning. Thanks Henrywildeberry.
@michaelsteiner8225
@michaelsteiner8225 3 жыл бұрын
You said something interesting about wrist angles and comfort. I also noticed the old films and the riders wrist angle. I am an older rider and struggle with discomfort in the wrist, feet, back, shoulders. I would like to hear more, from you prospective, about wrist angles, Seat heights, stretch, and back positions for long distance, climbing and down hill.
@cosinus_square
@cosinus_square 3 жыл бұрын
I'm using the same bars, same size, with the same DiaCompe shifters only as bar ends. Favorite drop bar ever is the Soma Brevet Randonneur 130'ish drop and 80'ish reach. Discontinued as well. Very hard to find similar spec bars for 25.4 quill stems but available galore in 31.8 clamp size. Nitto's B135 seems to be the closest but with a longer reach.
@basslenny117
@basslenny117 6 ай бұрын
Seeing Fausto Coppi @9:29 made me smile, Miss Cools riding style reminds me of him.
@Jessatron888
@Jessatron888 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Henry, I thought I might have saw you on my way home on Hwy 101 going south in a brown VW Westfallia van. Great video! 🤘🏼 keep riding.
@jeffvandenadel4640
@jeffvandenadel4640 3 жыл бұрын
Hey. Love the bar tape you put on. Looks beautiful
@sjtaylor128
@sjtaylor128 3 жыл бұрын
I watched you threading your bar through the clamp and it reminded me of a time I tried to thread a drop bar through a stem clamp that was probably not intended for a drop bar. I splayed the single bolt clamp open with a flat blade screw driver just enough to fit the bar through.
@sjtaylor128
@sjtaylor128 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I’ve adjusted my bars for hand comfort at the hoods. If I tilt the bars too far forward I get excessive pressure on the heel of my palm and it causes hand numbness. As I’ve become more cycling fit I no longer have hand numbness issues. Never had a bike fit. I ride an 80s steel lugged bike but have gone to modern single speed ergo brake levers for more comfort. I use bar end friction shifters. Thanks again.
@allrounderbicycle7193
@allrounderbicycle7193 3 жыл бұрын
This is your finest work yet. I think it's the old Merckx scenes that win me over. Also, totally just did this exact thing and switched back to the Nitto rando bars. I think I use a slightly different one than you though, same one's that Ms. Cools is using. But in my case, it was a matter of getting my quill stem low enough. I've had to chop a few centimeters off the bottom of my quill stem, one of the issues with having such a short head tube, the stem will bottom out on the butted steerer. Anyway, loving the bars now, so much room to move around and find the right spot for the given effort. Thanks for the presentation, and the music rules as always, keep it wilde!
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🙏🏼 I spent the whole evening searching through the old race footage and in doing so, grew even more fond of the classic riders like Merckx. His style and relaxed deemer on and off the bike makes him seem so humble and down to earth. I'm inspired by that, and I really enjoyed seeing him holding the tape measure up against the quill while the onlookers behind were just absolutely blown away to be there. I know I would have been. After riding John's gravel bike it helped me to rethink how I wanted this bike to feel and do. I think I was being stubborn with the Maes bars hoping I'd adapt to them even though they're more of an aggressive fit. They're nice bars and would work well on a bike with different goals and positioning. I remember when my quill stem was bottomed out on the Expedition and it was also seized into the fork. Somehow you figured out a way to get it loose! Ever since then I pull my stem out every few months, clean it, grease it, and put it back together.
@drewmartinezart
@drewmartinezart 3 жыл бұрын
Comfort is key to happiness.
@davidburgess741
@davidburgess741 3 жыл бұрын
But if you can get a few tenths with the same comfort and effort, why not. A walk is as good as a hit!
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 3 жыл бұрын
More comfort , more time on the bike, more fun. For long distance riders, comfort, reliability and longevity should be the priority. (Not so) common sense.
@blondinlux9631
@blondinlux9631 3 жыл бұрын
Got the Nitto B135 too : great and comfy ! I have adjusted like yours to have a flatter top. There is the VO "Grand randonneur" I really like too (a bit less flared on the drops) The only problem I've founded is the Berthoud's Rearviewmirror is a bit loose on it ;)
@JeffLaRochelle
@JeffLaRochelle 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same Nitto bars! Super comfy and it feels really nice in the drops, I think.
@kurtbargar1618
@kurtbargar1618 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vintage video it takes me back to the days when we raced in wool jerseys and shorts. I have to chuckle when I see the progression of your bicycle. Its looking more like my 1973 Holdsworth with great Britain bars. I paid $ 125. New in 73. I haven't felt a need to buy a bicycle since. On of my many blessings.
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 3 жыл бұрын
I wrench in a high end bike shop. I can get new bikes at cost but I don't want anything in the shop. I buy custom frames from guys I know I can trust. Ive ridden with them and shook their hands! I just know better! But I can remember bikes from the '70s. Even my newest dirt tourer looks like it was out of the '70s except for the disc brakes!
@kurtbargar1618
@kurtbargar1618 3 жыл бұрын
@@rollinrat4850 Reynolds five three one mag- moly tubing is all I have ever ridden ( except my huffy). Very strong durable and nimble. Do they even still make it.
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 3 жыл бұрын
@@kurtbargar1618 Now the new and improved version is called 631 I think. I want to build an 853 frame. 953 stainless is their ultra high end tubing now. I'm Still riding a couple 531 frames built in the 70s and '80s. I had various Raleighs racers and a Hetchins touring bike. My oldest road bike is a Ron Cooper. This bike is fantastic and built just for me. Quite Sadly most of my older ones got sold for musical instruments.
@davidburgess741
@davidburgess741 3 жыл бұрын
Love the great Eddie Merxx! I still have the same model and width bars he used on my '78 Moulton. My everyday ride a fixed track bike has 42cm shallow drops. The saddle to bar drop measurement is slight. Hands touch at stem for headwind with elbows bent. Over speed, hands move out to imitate having brake hoods for control- about 110 rpm. Elbows out above that. 42 cm bars for leverage uphill. Stand at 10mph. Uphill into a headwind use the drops. Eddie Merxx had a choppy style made neccessary due to th narrow gear range available in his time. Unless you seek a challenge this isn't necessarily.
@mikemaxwell2591
@mikemaxwell2591 2 жыл бұрын
Great observation of the positions set on the bikes while they are in motion.
@jamesfiegel9675
@jamesfiegel9675 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video with a good sound track :)
@Eric-rt6tg
@Eric-rt6tg 3 жыл бұрын
Eddy Merckx, now that was one of greatest riders back in these days. Super cool how he is cooling is rear tyre/rim in the descent with water from his bottle. Like te Fitz bikes, they really look retro chic and classy. Kind regards, Eric.
@ciccioformaccio7527
@ciccioformaccio7527 3 жыл бұрын
He "is" the greatest of all time. No discussion on it.
@Eric-rt6tg
@Eric-rt6tg 3 жыл бұрын
@@ciccioformaccio7527 I agree completely.👍
@mistersmith158
@mistersmith158 3 жыл бұрын
Far out dude gnarly video and I like the trippy cool hat bro
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
The whole reason for the video was to show off the hat, but that's only between you and me.
@jojoanggono3229
@jojoanggono3229 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the minor features of a HB can be the crucial factor. Like a straight/sweep back top, top diameter, ramp length, or the slanting/flat drop section you mentioned. I personally prefer fatter top section, with sweep back, and short ramp. I find it much more comfortable for long ride.
@davidbee9563
@davidbee9563 3 жыл бұрын
On the retro 1975 Gitane I am using a 44cm Cinelli deep drop(150mm) bar and 130 stem. I had to file the original stem slightly to fit the fork and the bar would not fit the 25.4 diameter. I set the bar drops close to perpendicular to the head tube, so not quite parallel.The Dia Compe aero brakes levers were changed to modern Tektro which are beefier. The original MAFAC levers are torture devices with no padding! I am used to 30 deg flared bars on the gravel bike about 42cm at the hoods and 62 at the drops with shallow drop. These are comfortable as well.
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
The old Dia Compe non-aero levers do look uncomfortable! A square box and no padding? I haven't personally ridden with them, but when I look at the historical racing clips, it seems the riders spent most of the time in the drops, unless they were climbing. The Fausto Coppi clips show him switching from the drops to the tops. Rarely could I find him riding on the ramps, and I had to scour over lots of old video clips to find a few examples. With the lower saddle position, it may not have been necessary to position your hands on the ramps? Then again with the cost of filming back in those days, they likely only recorded portions of the race where things were actually happening, such as a climb or an attack. We may not be seeing the hours of riding where they were just cruising along on a flat road in the group? Maybe then they did ride on the ramps? I personally like having my hands on the curved part of the bars where it bends from the flats to the ramps.
@davidbee9563
@davidbee9563 3 жыл бұрын
@@Henrywildeberry With some of the vintage bars, one could find four different hand positions. As for cruising along when nothing is happening you may be right. But Merckx's philosophy of "I hurt therefore this is a bike race" applied equally to others(putting on the hurt) as to himself. If I am suffering the others are suffering more. Modern compact bars do not have much corner to place your hands, hence the default to the levers. But I do like the idea of a flat or oval profile on the middle of the bars. Have not tried that yet. Would you consider a comparison of the Paul Mini Moto brakes and the VO double pivot brakes as alternative rim brakes? How much difference does having post mount centre pull brakes make vs the centre bolt? What about tire and fender clearance? Keep up the good work. Much appreciated.
@kaffeemitcola6506
@kaffeemitcola6506 3 жыл бұрын
If you get fatigue the best aerodynamic position counts nothing. Especially on everyday rides and if the only one you challenge is yourself. Enjoying the landscape, air and yourself does not necessarily need the highes speed. beautyful bike and bar and if there are "Velominati rules", do not give a f... . I am not sure but i guess the rotationangle of the bar is not in the Velominati rules, or is it? Liebe Grüße
@wanderingbox7971
@wanderingbox7971 3 жыл бұрын
nice old clips too love the flares on the trousers not the handle bars 😂🤣🚲 although my last bike had flared HB and I liked it got a Marin Larkspur 2 now as my only bike gone to comfort
@you43584036
@you43584036 3 жыл бұрын
Take care with 12 year old fit numbers. I found with age my numbers have changed though I was stubborn about it. I now fit for my high endurance low wattage reality. Of course you are still to young to worry about that. BTW you should include one day the opening bike service scene from A Sunday in Hell.
@sparkyvespa
@sparkyvespa 3 жыл бұрын
Indurain for me. Great video
@odgreenoutdoors20
@odgreenoutdoors20 3 жыл бұрын
If your elbows can’t flap like wings while holding the handlebars while riding more then likely you will have wrist problems, lest that’s what I have learned motorcycle riding , so I have integrated that onto my bicycle as well
@nathanmace3936
@nathanmace3936 3 жыл бұрын
Somebody is a Merckx fan!
@flpirate4565
@flpirate4565 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Did you get a new video camera? The H D is super sharp and vivid colors.
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It's the same camera with a new lens. I have a few different cameras, and sometimes I use an action camera, but the quality is pretty grainy.
@ze_ep
@ze_ep 3 жыл бұрын
I really wish that G.B. bar end mirror was domed slightly. I bought a $5 plastic version for another bike on ebay and it's sooo much easier to adjust than the $80 GB. Just need to aim it in the ballpark and you can see everything. With the flat mirror you need to be very precise.
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
It has a pretty small field of view. I'm not sure I'd want it doomed personally, because then the objects start to look distorted. A slightly larger disc would help open up the field a little more without the fish eye effect.
@ze_ep
@ze_ep 3 жыл бұрын
@@Henrywildeberry Fair, it does make objects in the middle look smaller. But for just glancing back to keep an eye on traffic domed still more useful in my opinion. Hunt for the perfect bar end mirror haha :)
@steventrott8714
@steventrott8714 10 ай бұрын
In Randonneuring, long distance would be 750 miles!
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 10 ай бұрын
True! I think that’s just a warm up ride for most rando’s:)
@bengt_axle
@bengt_axle 3 жыл бұрын
Great old footage. What is Merckx trying to do with the water bottle (10:19)? Cool off the brakes or his foot?
@dudeonbike800
@dudeonbike800 3 жыл бұрын
Cooling off the tire/rim combo - to keep the tubular glue from softening or melting and rolling a tire!
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 2 жыл бұрын
Ive sprayed water on my black shoes many times on hot days. Ever since I watched Floyd Landis on that infamous breakaway stage I've dumped water all over myself on hot days. Its sorta like a swamp cooler!
@NinthwaveThe
@NinthwaveThe 3 жыл бұрын
Such a nice psychedelic cap! What's the brand ?
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nicolas, I got it from The Rough Stuff Fellowship.
@90041hood
@90041hood 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! What is that song at the end??
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It's called "Living in a Dream", by Twin Guns.
@90041hood
@90041hood 3 жыл бұрын
@@Henrywildeberry Cool stuff!!!
@waytall9213
@waytall9213 3 жыл бұрын
You happy with that little bar end mirror?
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
It's a nice mirror. The field of view is small and you have to get the angle just right, but it's mostly out of the way. I have bumped my knee on it a few times climbing out of the saddle and had to readjust it, but overall it's very high quality. Ms Cools has one that's slightly larger and has a better field of view and much less expensive, but it sticks out more and gets bumped around when you lean the bike against a wall.
@waytall9213
@waytall9213 3 жыл бұрын
@@Henrywildeberry thanks for the info. Who makes it?
@blondinlux9631
@blondinlux9631 3 жыл бұрын
@@waytall9213 it's made in France by Gilles Berthoud company ; it's a great mirror
@inxlee
@inxlee 2 жыл бұрын
Are these the Nitto B132AA, B135AA or B136AA? Thank you!
@podrugiejstronie7006
@podrugiejstronie7006 2 жыл бұрын
2:08
@kennethcolbert2921
@kennethcolbert2921 2 жыл бұрын
This is the only way I have to ask this ? How did Ms.Cools get her 11-46 cassette to work on her bicycle I tried to put mine on and broke the bolt that holds it on now I have to re order one it has to have a special link hook up to it but the metal is so weak what is the best way to install this on my bicycle?
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, I wish I could help you, but Ms. Cools doesn't have an 11-46, she has an 11-32 cassette. I'd check with a local mountain bike shop to see if they can get you sorted out. They typically work with larger rear cassettes and could have the correct derailleur for your application. Good luck!
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 2 жыл бұрын
IF you're using a Wolf Tooth type road link with a smaller capacity road derailleur, those set ups are often rather klugey and compromised. Shifting performance will definately suffer in that case. I'd really need to see it to understand why anything broke. I'd probably just recommend a triple chainring crank on front to get more closely spaced ratios on the rear cassette. You still may need a complete new drivetrain and different shifters for that wider range. This makes lots of sense for bikes you spend lots of time riding. There are some derailleurs that will work without the road link with wide range cassettes if it's on modern 11 or 12 speed. The ultra wide range cassettes and one by systems are designed for rough terrain mtb riding and 'cross racing where you'd rather the chain didnt fall off. The clutch in those derailleurs help keep chain tension high and the single chainrings are use specual teeth to retain the chain. For rando riding and touring numerous gears (as in 21-30 gears)are much better for long days in the saddle. I don't believe one by setups are good for mixed terrain riding unless you're content with being either overgeared or under geared. Give us more specifics and I'm glad to try to help. What are you using very specifically and what broke, in what circumstances? I'm an old school mechanic, but I wrench on lots of new stuff. Ive seen lots of the compromise that this nutty industry tries to sell.
@mortenreippuertknudsen3576
@mortenreippuertknudsen3576 3 жыл бұрын
The Nitto Noodle is a the perfect compromise...
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
I rode with a 45cm Noodle for two years on my touring bike. I put about 8,500 miles on them. Good overall, I liked the swept back feel with my hands on the tops. The width was a tad wider than I prefer on that particular bike, and I would have liked a slightly narrower 42cm or so. Choice of bars for me comes down to a number of factors including stack height, reach, and how I plan to ride the bike. Nitto makes fantastic stuff, something for everyone. Thank you!
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 2 жыл бұрын
46cm Noodles were my favorite for many years. This is what's on my old steel roady. Then I found the 52cm Nitto Dirt Drops and now the 56cm Ritchey Venturemax for my 'cross, touring and gravel rigs. I know theyre really wide, but I breathe much better and only ride pavement to get to dirt and singletrack anyways.
@Barry101er
@Barry101er Жыл бұрын
I just got these bars and I was thinking that the drops can’t meant to be parallel to the ground. So they won’t be😉
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry Жыл бұрын
Very, cool! I hope you like them. I continue to experiment with mine and how "level" to make the ramps. Right now, I've got the ramps just slightly downward, but I've pulled the brake levers up a bit to compensate. We'll see how that goes...Let me know how you set them up.
@michaelsteiner8225
@michaelsteiner8225 3 жыл бұрын
Swoopy Bars?
@peterharrer3261
@peterharrer3261 3 жыл бұрын
Why not dispense with drop bars altogether? For many, myself included, they are terrible -- hard on wrists, back, neck and shoulders. And how people struggle to make them fit, to find the right variables, the right calibration. Time to recognize drops are a bad design with a great legacy. How good are they for your body? You might be much happier and ride better and healthier with a set of mustache bars. (I hear the groans now.)
@davidburgess741
@davidburgess741 3 жыл бұрын
Groan! Ban the brake hoods but keep the drops. Are we not men? D-E-V-O!
@davidburgess741
@davidburgess741 3 жыл бұрын
Are we not men? D'E-V-O!
@davidbee9563
@davidbee9563 3 жыл бұрын
I tried a set of mustache bars on my Gitane but could not quite get along with them. The aero levers did not work so well but a set of forward facing levers might. Choice and style is why there are so many different set ups. Just need to find what works for you.
@dudeonbike800
@dudeonbike800 3 жыл бұрын
A friend toured cross country with flat bars and swore the entire way because they were so "hard on wrists, back, neck and shoulders!" Despite using bar ends, the pain was unrelenting. He quickly realized how dumb he was to forgo drop bars his long ride. Do you really think drop handlebars were designed to be UN-comfortable? No, their very design is to do exactly the OPPOSITE of what you describe. Now if you're in your 80's, then fine, ride mustache bars. Better yet, flip your drop bars up like in the 70's (you know, when you were in your 50's!!!) and have fun! But for the fit, experienced and long-distance cyclist, there's nothing better than drop handlebars. They allow multiple hand angles as well as different upper body elevations to relieve discomfort in all the regions you mention. And every time I give mustache bars a try, I'm amazed at just how many TERRIBLE hand positions they offer! Virtually useless. Then again, if they work for you, great. Good that there's a choice. But you're in a tiny minority of cyclists.
@peterharrer3261
@peterharrer3261 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about flat bars. Terrible for their inflexibility. I replace them with "allrounders" and other ergonomic variations. What I do not agree with and find offensive is your reasoning. You are bigoted against older people, associating them with weakness, physical failure and worse. And where is your evidence, your facts that I am part of a "tiny minority of cyclists"? What does it matter if I am? All you've accomplished is to reveal your contempt for others.
@macmcelroy6165
@macmcelroy6165 3 жыл бұрын
why would/did you route the cable over the top of the bar ? it's bozo looking , just sayin'
@Henrywildeberry
@Henrywildeberry 3 жыл бұрын
It's to avoid a tight radius in the cable housing. I'm using a very short steel cable hanger that provides good stiffness, but it means the cable routing is less than ideal. There are some decent looking deeper drop cable hangers made out of aluminum, but I haven't experimented with any of them to know if they work well. For now I've just come to accept the bozo cable routing to ensure I have nice braking feel.
@davidburgess741
@davidburgess741 3 жыл бұрын
@@Henrywildeberry Traditional looking everything else. Why not non aero levers. You've already got the inferior in every way threaded headset. These actually do work better. Hold onto meaningful advances but question added complexity.
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 2 жыл бұрын
I sure wish they'd make modern larger, more comfortable levers with the cables coming out the top. They're a lot easier to swap cable/housing without messing with the tape. I don't like the tight bends either. I like a low friction brake set up and I absolutely despise brifters. Function will always trump form/vanity as far as I'm concerned. There's way too much vanity concerned with road bikes. Its cause for lots of compromise, in my opinion. I don't look at my bikes while I ride and I care even less what anyone thinks I look like. One day I'll finally find a good deal on Campy C Record levers!
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