Backhand Flick - Amateur vs Pro technique in SLOW MOTION

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In this video I compare the backhand flick technique of an amateur player (myself) with the backhand flick technique of a professional player (England No.1 Liam Pitchford).
Liam is able to generate a lot more speed and spin with his backhand flick technique, but how is he able to do this?
To help us work it out, I use some side-by-side slow motion analysis. By doing this we can see some clear differences in our technique. Liam uses his wrist in a completely different way to me, which I explain in more detail in the video.
There is also some footage of me trying to return Liam's very fast backhand flicks.
In the video Liam is using the following equipment:
Blade: Victas Liam Pitchford blade: bribartt.co.uk/product/victas...
Rubbers: Victas V15 Extra: bribartt.co.uk/product/victas...
You might also be interested in Liam’s Masterclass coaching series he recorded with Table Tennis Daily Academy: tabletennisdailyacademy.com/p...
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@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

In the video Liam is using the following equipment: Blade: Victas Liam Pitchford blade: bribartt.co.uk/product/victas-liam-pitchford-table-tennis-blade/?ref=8204 Rubbers: Victas V15 Extra: bribartt.co.uk/product/victas-v15-extra-table-tennis-rubber/?ref=8204 You might also be interested in Liam’s Masterclass coaching series he recorded with Table Tennis Daily Academy: tabletennisdailyacademy.com/packages/liam-pitchford-masterclass/?aff=TomLodziak

@mahadevansubramanian118 Жыл бұрын

you missed Liam plays his BH with black side and you with side. Does it not make any difference ?

@MsTessG Жыл бұрын

“How does Liam achieve this?” Liam practices 8 hours a day.

@danielmwamulowe169 Жыл бұрын

I want to be like Liam when I grow up 😆

@premmagar1170 Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@sashbar Жыл бұрын

You need a pretty flexible wrist and great timing to do such an extreme flick. It looks like an extreme Petr Korbel banana, very popular these days, a lot of top players are using variations of this flick but not everyone goes for such an extreme movement.

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Yep, a lot of practice is needed for this shot. I can't do it the way Liam does yet. At my rate of training, I anticipate I will have mastered this shot by the time I'm 81.

@emilyjames3110 Жыл бұрын

@@TomLodziak recommendations on online shop on table tennis equipment or clothes etc

@empireentertainmentevents1353 Жыл бұрын

Thank you TOM for this video. You didnt hesitate to show the difference in level between you and Liam and you did it to help us improve. Your humility is greatly appreciated!

@-danR 10 күн бұрын

He showed us the difference, but not the salient difference. Tom correctly notes Liam's high elbow position but not the how and _why_ it got there. 5:27 LM is loading high-mass, low speed kinetic energy _by_ raising the elbow. This energy is transferred to the forearm and exchanged through the wrist for low-mass high (rotation+linear) speed kinetic energy at the blade: the business end. In other words, there's more to the raising of elbow than just positioning; it is the end-point of a momentum dynamic. Had he positioned the elbow there before, say, the ball had crossed the net, it would have done nothing to aid the snap, and in fact Tom's technique would be a good starting point (with plenty of practice of course)for a different, and equally effective, flick production: less spin, more _punch._

@MikolaiStroinski Ай бұрын

Your humility drives this channel. Thanks!

@TheAmebcia Жыл бұрын

Fenomenal. Slowmo and the multiple cam angles are great

@davidvalente7935 4 ай бұрын

I greatly appreciate the slow mo and comparative videos. Takes humility and great inquisitiveness and curiosity; little ego. Thanks! :)

@x.x.7646 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. Even amongst the pros Liams backhand is feared. So interesting to see his technique. Not to forget he does it within the dynamic of the game without preparation.

@shtr-ptr Жыл бұрын

what i love on this YTchannel that Tom explains in a very simple way for us amateurs using non-tennis terms and synonyms. "i have been you but then figured it out by comparing wrist action to coil"

@idrivearttabletennis Жыл бұрын

Amazing to look at it all in slow motion. Liam has lots of motion but never without control.

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Yes, the consistent timing is really quite impressive, considering how much motion he has in the stroke.

@jeevanchaukar Жыл бұрын

Very useful video, Tom! Thanks for sharing - I am always showing your content to my son who is trying hard to progress in TT!

@AdnanGusic Жыл бұрын

What an awesome video. Thanks Tom! My favoutite stroke is this one, but I'm far far away to do it consistently :) Hope one day my dream will come true!

@vjlad13 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant comparison very useful. Hope you do more videos like these. Thank you

@user-te7ew3sx8s 8 ай бұрын

You made a very detailed video, to get a better understanding how to use flick technique. Thank you, Tom

@Kydos37 Жыл бұрын

Really interesting stuff, that coiling motion is insane

@xipingpong667 Жыл бұрын

Its great tom how after many years of playing u are ready call ur self amateur.u might not be pro but u are definitely way more than just amateur.Such magnanimity

@LORDVADER357 Жыл бұрын

There is only one difference between pro and amateur. Pro get paid amateur not. You can be thousands times better than Liam and still be amateur. Skilled amateur is called enthusiast.

@ruslangabitov5202 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing. The only way to learn something is learning from Masters. Great footage and detailed analysis in slow-mo. Please continue to make this kind of videos.

@abbeyn992 Жыл бұрын

Danke für Deine Videos. Du erklärst alles sehr gut verständlich.

@nigarcia1 Жыл бұрын

great teachings, I love how you describe very detailed the technique applied. thanks for sharing

@bobitsmagic4961 Жыл бұрын

The way he flicked the ball at the end and you just stand there unable to do anything, i love it

@LNippur 8 ай бұрын

Oh si!, por fin encontre un canal que muestra perfectamente en slow motion el movimiento de un reves. Muchas gracias!. Un video Muy didactico. Traduccion: "Oh yes, I finally found a channel that perfectly shows the movement of a backhand in slow motion. Thank you so much!. A very educational video."

@bobsyouruncle5534 Жыл бұрын

Great vid. Love it. The slow motion trick is perfect to understand.

@billlides5569 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this excellent video Tom!

@alfiannurhidayat5093 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Tom, what a great video as always 👍

@johannortje6973 11 ай бұрын

Brilliant video-many thanks👌

@youjohnny16 Жыл бұрын

Hey Tom. My coach taught me the importance of the back of the hand pointing downwards today to get power on the BH. It appears the same on the flick. If you note the difference between your hand and Liam's then that is a key difference. Obviously there are many others, but the back of the hand pointing to the ground is key to getting acceleration from the wrist. Give it a go.

@steve44xds Жыл бұрын

I'm going to practice this shot and can't wait to try it out

@agc444 Жыл бұрын

Great video. I see a couple more differences. One is grip. If you pause the video at 1'49'' you can see big difference as Tom's grip is more "backhandish", which paradoxically turns out to be worse. The other is timing. Liam lets the ball drop a lot more. He actually waits for the ball while Tom goes for it. Great job. Thanks.

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

I think the timing is a really important point. I rush my BH flick technique and Liam weights to see the length of the serve and then contacts the ball either peak of the bounce or even just a little after. By waiting a little longer, Liam is able to use his wrist a lot more.

@argh01hass Жыл бұрын

Did you compare any other strokes? This is such a great approach, I'd love to see some more comparisons

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Yes, absolutely. My next video will be a comparison of FH topspin vs backspin.

@katerina.halikova Жыл бұрын

Really good video, helped me improve my flicks!

@fairblues Жыл бұрын

Thanks for an excellent video - really appreciated...

@RedLameDog Жыл бұрын

Great set up and angles of the camera. Really showed the technique well with good explanations. I’ll be focussing on this next time. Thanks 👍

@semangatberbagi4632 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this video

@douglashill4567 Жыл бұрын

Excellent! Also note the essential cheek puffing technique. Phew!!

@ismail6981 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much That was a very useful video

@theuslarsson2052 Жыл бұрын

Excellent analysis, dzięki Tom :)

@totoro8492 Жыл бұрын

Thànk you for sharing different tier technique, tom. I really appriciate and felt helpful as a pingpong beginner player 🤗

@blvdk Жыл бұрын

Very informative! thank you

@RaymondChambersJa Жыл бұрын

Very Very Helpful video!

@manueldelafuente4847 10 ай бұрын

Excelente video

@GhanaTableTennis 11 ай бұрын

You need to love to teach the right techniques to do such a video. Thank you Tom

@michelleking1691 Жыл бұрын

I had all of these until I’ve just a lesson with Tom and now I’ve tried to correct them.Can’t say I’m getting it right every time but at least I’m conscious if what I’m doing.Thanks Tom. Michelle

@piing-poong7650 Жыл бұрын

Great Video Analysis

@lejaunes Жыл бұрын

precious video, ty !

@1markus111 Жыл бұрын

Tom this Video is great! Now I know what to do. Please, if possible much more of this kind of video

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Hello! I've got some similar videos coming up with Liam when I compare different attacking strokes. Should be interesting!

@albertjohnson5338 Жыл бұрын

That was A Plus - thank you!

@alangoudie2299 Жыл бұрын

thank you for a very helpful video. Your back hand flick is a lot better than mine.

@brunoamsantana Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! 👏👏👏👏👏

@bmsdotnet5083 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your video 🙏

@margarethren2363 Жыл бұрын

Such a great video! That you!!

@aerotus888 Жыл бұрын

Great video!

@RajivChopra 10 ай бұрын

Brilliant!

@shayancenter2963 Жыл бұрын

very nice thanks

@josepinchero Жыл бұрын

would love more vids like this: amateur vs pro technique in SLOW motion...on the most important shots: serve with deception. serve with heavy backspin. what pros do in serve return vs an amateur. looping shots on backspin and topspin. footwork examples for both. body mechanics examples for both. this would be really helpful.

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

I have recorded a few of these with Liam and will be releasing over the next few months. In a couple of weeks I'll be publishing one on FH topspin vs backspin.

@stefanreuter9626 Жыл бұрын

Great vid👍👍👍

@rcarioca Жыл бұрын

nice camera work and slow motion comparison

@phronnie1 Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lots 👍

@viranirav Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@lionelblaauw9812 Жыл бұрын

Awesome

@yantos.324 Жыл бұрын

Thankyou 💪💪

@joehughes3764 Жыл бұрын

A big thing you missed is his contact point. He hits the side of the ball, you hit it much more the back of the ball

@danialhughes830 10 ай бұрын

Hi Tom - fantastic video as usual…I do have one suggested improvement for this one though. Would have been nice to see you try to emulate the different technique at the end of the video.

@PlumbGSY Жыл бұрын

Awesome job Tommy boy

@drleoalvarez7311 Жыл бұрын

Great vídeo 🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷🏅💪👌

@jameshamilton6096 Жыл бұрын

Awesome. i noticed Liam catches the ball towards the edge of his bat which is the fastest moving part of the bat in a twisty wrist action similar to the Ghost serve. many thanks

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Good observation. Yes, Liam definitely makes contact with the tip of the rubber.

@bochinhim 10 ай бұрын

Great

@philsnelson7981 Жыл бұрын

Really interesting video Tom. Think that acceleration Liam gets is the key and the difference. His acceleration allows him to play with a near horizontal racket. Generate the acceleration and the whole game changes . Off to practice now for our next encounter! Keep up the good work.

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Hi Phil. Yes, it's incredible how much acceleration he generates. It hurts my wrist just thinking about it! Played the VETTS Midland Masters at the weekend. Not much success. Standard very high. I'll keep on trying though.

@philsnelson7981 Жыл бұрын

@@TomLodziak Luck of the draw . Looks like you had a tough group. Maybe see you at the Eastern.

@hannesreinhardt1399 Жыл бұрын

Liam's technique very hard to consistently hit it so brush with that angle (really a pro's shot) lots of possible errors. But for sure so much fun if you do make a point like that! And i agree with lots of commentators before - great explanation and camera work! Cool

@ichselbst6609 Жыл бұрын

What a backhand!!

@TearTheRoof0ff Жыл бұрын

Pitchford's backhand in general is just insane.

@thesciencehinduby Жыл бұрын

Great thank you for such a wonderful video. I need a small guidance on similar stuff. I am able to do this when its slow backspin. But when I am in a ralley I start miss hiting. Please can you help how to deal with that. When opponent blocks or drives back on backhand, I want to maintain attack.

@ianmurphy5975 Жыл бұрын

I've recently started to try this shot...another thing to consider is where the ball is going to bounce on your side of the table ...ie being in the right position to play that flick....im hitting about 5% back at the moment.....lots to do lots to remember but know its a shot worth sticking with

@costaches Жыл бұрын

you have to loop Liam's motion in a continuous 10-hour length video. ))))

@zhangzenger9274 Жыл бұрын

haha, Mr. Pitchford is my favorite player, I'm his fan. I love him very much.

@ameerkhanaqiny9425 Жыл бұрын

Your best fan bro 🖐🏼🖐🏼 always first comment 😎😂

@pnachtwey Жыл бұрын

The difference is that Liam brushes the ball more so it has a lot more spin relative to the speed. The Magnus effect is proportional to the speed x spin but if the ball is hit with too much speed it will go off the table before the Magnus effect and gravity can force ball down. Also, all the spin will cause the ball to shoot out low and fast at the opponent when it bounces. You need to have a grippy rubber to do what Liam is doing, practice and have a lot of faith in your technique because the face of Liam's paddle is pointing down/closed so the ball will go into the net without lots of brushing , This is like a mini wrist loop. Tom hits the ball with too much speed relative to spin.

@Fluglecheese Жыл бұрын

Great video! Do other pros use the same technique as Liam?

@MichaelColpin Жыл бұрын

Great video ! Tom, did you change your backhand flick technique after that ? It could be interesting to have your feedback after trying to improve your technique. Thanks

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Not yet. I find Liam's technique quite tricky. It may take me a long time to get consistent at it.

@andreygodonoage7481 Жыл бұрын

Thanxxx¡

@devendrawadikar1056 Жыл бұрын

as usual very helpful from Bribar

@user-dd4mj3oy4x Жыл бұрын

很棒的解說。不知有沒人對林昀儒也做同樣的分析?

@amadeusbm 10 ай бұрын

Liam in the final phase of the stroke work with the wrist only.

@sandravandok8638 Жыл бұрын

Breathwork lots of it - if I see it correctly :-)

@myvids3115 3 ай бұрын

My uneducated question would be how much the hardware has to deliver to pull this off. Do you needhigh grip topspin rubber or can you pull it off mostly through technique (with propper equipment of course)

@pratikmanolkar8352 Жыл бұрын

Hello Sir. Is it possible to achive this backhand flick return using an antispin rubber on the backhand ?

@alirezakashefi8921 Жыл бұрын

How can i download your videos? Is there any site to do so?

@timothychan4566 Жыл бұрын

Maybe you can look at your thumb position and how it affects your range of motion

@criticaltinker Жыл бұрын

will that work receiving top spin too or same but more forward?

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Against a short topspin serve, you will need to start with your bat higher, contact towards the top of the ball and go forwards more.

@danu-761jk Жыл бұрын

Sir i am nit having any coach and also not getting training.. I am trying to learn in college... How do i improve my techniques and skills

@petirmillennium9981 Жыл бұрын

👍

@UntungSugiman 3 ай бұрын

giood 😂❤❤

@Anvar2308 Жыл бұрын

It will be interesting if you try to do his technic after analysis.

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

I have tried, but my success rate is about 1 in 10! A lot more practise is needed.

@pitzburgscotish Жыл бұрын

I think the biggest difference is that the pro makes it a tool for earning money but the amateur only for fun.

@XYoukaiX Жыл бұрын

Funny enough I just watched a Vid where a Chinese professional tried to teach someone the Backhand flip and it was much closer to your technique then to Liams .... he even opened up the racket much more then you did which surprised me a lot. Dan from TTDL actually also made a vid where he is showing the technique like Liam does .... kinda weird that even with professionals there are many different ways of doing it, I guess there is not that one correct / perfect way of doing it.

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Exactly. There are usually multiple ways of playing a particular shot. The trick is to find a technique which you can do consistently and is effective for the level you are playing at. Liam's BH flick is brilliant, but if you only play at a low level, it is not necessary to use such an advanced technique. You can use a far more basic technique (like mine) and it will still be effective.

@user-dm6pv5no6e Жыл бұрын

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@nitinjain1234 Жыл бұрын

Your bat is almost touching the table, however Liam's bat is very much parallel to the table despite having some gap, while playing this shot beginners also need to take that into consideration as their hand/bat does not touch the table.

@dariuszr6829 Жыл бұрын

Tom, zrob podobne porównanie dla forehandu

@Enterprise-Architect Жыл бұрын

I wish I had coach like him 15 years ago… Would have won so many matches…

@wildyobscura5852 Жыл бұрын

Is this possible with cheaper racquets??

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Yes. Liam could do this with a very cheap bat. It's mostly all technique. Of course his rubbers / blade help him get that little extra speed and spin. But he would be able to play this flick with any bat.

@yunghanhuang8188 Жыл бұрын

could you flick back hand with the serve balls which were lower the net height?

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

Yes. You need to lift your bat a little higher to get the ball over the net, but it is very possible to do.

@yunghanhuang8188 Жыл бұрын

@@TomLodziak Do people get injured by practicing back hand flick too much? it seems like an awkward motion to me

@TomLodziak Жыл бұрын

@@yunghanhuang8188 If you have never tried a backhand flick, and then try to do it like Liam Pitchford straight away, there is a chance you may strain something. But if you build the technique up gradually - simple at first, then move to a more advanced technique over time - then you shouldn't have too much of an issue with injuries.

@petebuckney Жыл бұрын

There's another thing to look at that you don't mention - look at how close Liam's wrist bones get to the table compared with yours... The back/top of his wrist is (nearly) touching the table, and his elbow nearly vertically above. Your wrist never gets closer to the table than 4 or 5 inches - even when you are demonstrating the flattened bat, you don't get the back of your wrist near the table. In other words, maybe it's not about flattening the bat - maybe it's about getting the back of your wrist very low, and you have to flatten the bat to achieve this as the table would be in the way otherwise?