Backhand FLICK vs Backhand ROLL | What's the Difference and How to Practice Both

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Ben Johns posted a video him teaching his Backhand Roll yesterday and I immediately went to the wall and I found a way that I can get some repetitions of his technique.
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0:00 - Intro
1:04 - Grip Positioning
3:03 - Drill Set Up
4:13 Flick vs Roll + Slow Motion
8:38 - How To Hit Straight
10:06 - Concluding Thoughts
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@edjupickleball 5 ай бұрын

Ben is a GREAT teacher. I highly recommend his video about the backhand roll: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptpje7qX2J29c6c.html

@Sensimuse 5 ай бұрын

The details in this vid are so helpful, especially with the slo-mo and the overlay displaying your technique clearly. Nicely done!

@MrGbustamante 5 ай бұрын

I saw Bens video and he covered both the ROLL and the FLIP and when and where to use them as well as detailed explanations how to use each. Ben explains it all on the court with Colin there to help show it in action. The Flick was not recommended below the net and its also for high rated players as it requires much more timing and risk. I like how you used slow-mo and how you demonstrated a solo training method at home, which helps most of us. Thanks!

@ryrysinger 5 ай бұрын

Top notch info and top notch efforts. Love the dial cameras and the overlays. Your raw love for this game is contagious and your content is demonstrated so so well. Thank you.

@NickZhurav 5 ай бұрын

I’ve seen Ben’s video and a few others like Tanner and I think the best method for the flick that I’ve heard to help it make sense is to hold the paddle and flick the same way you’d throw a frisbee

@edjupickleball 5 ай бұрын

I’ve never heard of it described like that. NGL. I just shadow threw a frisbee like a weirdo, and it’s definitely the same exactly motion.

@tony-fuego3414 5 ай бұрын

Appreciate the effort you put into your videos. Keep up the good work!

@kcarwen5262 5 ай бұрын

Ed, thanks for the video! The slow-motion helps tons. I had also seen the Ben Johns video, but didn’t realize I could practice this on my dink pad. So thanks for demonstrating how to do this! Much appreciated ❤

@jackstein5486 5 ай бұрын

I have the flick and was amazed at the extra power that the stiffer wrist and more vertices swing. I am definitely going to do some drills to develop this. Thanks for that and the hexacore grip I am loving!😀

@Irish_27 5 ай бұрын

Love your videos ‼️‼️

@EnhancePickleball 5 ай бұрын

Great vid!

@aregee7121 5 ай бұрын

Much Thanks, Ed. Moses brought down the tablets, you explained them.🙂

@edjupickleball 5 ай бұрын

that has got to be the best comment i have ever read. thank you for that.

@markuspotter42 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting on the GRIP! Are you changing grips when the ball is in the air? When are you changing grips? When you get to the kitchen??

@linsu2854 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for another great video your obsession with learning is a gift to all of us. I also watched Ben's video but never thought of how to practice on my own without a partner - I do have a Dink Master so I now have another way of using it.

@edjupickleball 5 ай бұрын

Almost every time I want to get better at a shot, I test it against the wall first. I've even done stuff like Overhead training, Serves, and Resets! People always told me that there's limited things you can do against the wall and I strongly disagree. With enough creativity, I think you can train almost every shot in pickleball (to some degree) against a wall :-)

@linsu2854 5 ай бұрын

@@edjupickleball This is what makes your videos so unique and helpful. You are not always about getting other players to play with you to demo, which is not available to us most of the time. Instead, you make do with what you have, which makes your video relevant to us, since in most situations, we have a wall or a Dink Master to drill with. Thanks again. Would you consider doing a Dink Master video on overhead and another one on serve?

@WarrenT-ub1iy 4 ай бұрын

Hi Ed Upon viewing Ben’s video, I don’t think he’s changing his grip for the backhand roll. How To Hit the Backhand Roll in Pickleball | Ben Johns kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptpje7qX2J29c6c.html Paddle Face Angle @ 2:50 ~ I don’t believe Ben changes his grip. To close the paddle face, he bends his wrist forward, “turn it like a motorcycle throttle”. i.e. No matter what grip you use, the paddle face angle can be changed by turning your wrist forward or backward.

@TheGameBoyGeeks 5 ай бұрын

Great video Ed! When your grip has your backhand angled down slightly, are you changing your grip right before that shot in a real situation? If not then doesn’t that mean your forehand would be angled up? Or are you always changing your grip for the specific shot in real time?

@edjupickleball 5 ай бұрын

Very sharp question. For me, this is something that I am tinkering with myself so I can't give you a straight response. Generally, I advise MOST players not to be changing grips while playing, mostly because that is risky if you're not quick enough. With that being said, I do know that many pros, including Jaume, DO switch grips slightly depending on the situation.

@edc.8082 5 ай бұрын

Subconsciously players make subtle grip changes. But in the heat of a hand battle it’s particularly impossible to consciously control grip angle changes in milliseconds. More insight into this technique would be useful during a podcast episode. Thx guys!!!

@dl7132 5 ай бұрын

@@edc.8082 Agreed. Whether and how to change grips throughout a point has been a big question of mine recently. Saw your reply about Collin below, very interesting.

@2musiclover534 5 ай бұрын

Liked. Love the different approaches. Some channels are super slick with great graphics and content. Yours is more raw like a next door buddy feel - but also with great content. There's something that feels very authentic with your videos. Also, you are helping drive traffic to Ben John's video post. If you used Ben's technique, you should probably link Ben's video in your description so that others can go that video. Just an opinion.

@edjupickleball 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! Ben’s video is pinned in the comments :-)

@2musiclover534 5 ай бұрын

@@edjupickleball Ah....I was looking for it in the post description above. I have already caught Ben's video before seeing yours. But figure it was worth a comment. Thanks!

@edjupickleball 5 ай бұрын

No worries! I just added it into the description too!

@2musiclover534 5 ай бұрын

Wonderful. Comtinue to wish you the best.

@El_Guap 5 ай бұрын

I have the first gen of the dinkmaster. I put it slighty up too. I go hard, to set up the flick.

@brett_garraway 5 ай бұрын

Great explanation on the differences between the two shots. Between the Dink Master and the TopSpinPro, which device have you found has provided the biggest improvements to your game? Looking for a device to train at home with and only have room for one. Thanks!

@aregee7121 5 ай бұрын

Apples and Oranges. Good Question

@hapablues 5 ай бұрын

Im curious if you can hit either flick or roll if the ball is below the net line? or these only work if the ball is above the net line?

@NooB-bf3fo 5 ай бұрын

love you

@samanthakutcher4343 5 ай бұрын

How does the flick the Ben Johns backhand roll and the Zane Navratil’s tomahawk compare to each other in effectiveness?

5 ай бұрын

But with that angle i am worry i going to hit the net. I need to try it

@bobdoe4689 5 ай бұрын

Greater than 45 degree. Don't worry too much about angle, if you hit the net just hit harder next time.

@makster86 5 ай бұрын

Are you really changing your grip mid point though?

@gabewoh20 5 ай бұрын

Not saying it’s practical for everyone, but a lot of former tennis players (Collin John’s for example) talk about changing grip mid point depending on the shot they’re tryna hit

@drusolini 5 ай бұрын

Seems like the roll has a slower recovery than the flick too? The followthrough is so much longer and further away from your ready position.

@kabnis2022 5 ай бұрын

If the ball is high enough above the net, is it better to attack with a backhand punch volley or a flick to try to win the point?

@edjupickleball 5 ай бұрын

For me personally, I’ve found that I go for more of a flick when it’s like near my waste to bottom ribcage. When it gets higher, it turns more into a roll. I talk about this in my “wrist flick” video near the middle: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kNmnmJujrLmpm30.html I’ve never realized how I was kinda executing a roll on the higher volleys. I need more work on executing the roll on lower balls.

@kabnis2022 5 ай бұрын

@@edjupickleball Thank you! Do you still use the traditional punch volley, or has this been replaced by the flick?

@edjupickleball 5 ай бұрын

@@kabnis2022 yes! Whenever I learn “new” shots. I just add it like it’s a tool in the kit. Very rarely does something get replaced all together.

@MLB1212 3 ай бұрын

@@edjupickleball does a roll gives an opponent more time to respond than a flick and if so should I generally flick to the body of my directly opposite opponent and roll between 2 opponents? Alternatively , If the roll is faster and more powerful than a flick should the backhand roll be mastered before beginning to use backhand flicks?