Backhand Slice Style vs Fundamentals | Federer, Djokovic & Nadal Examples

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Жыл бұрын

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@IntuitiveTennis Жыл бұрын

Learn the fundamentals of all tennis strokes, while developing your unique style 👉🏻 www.intuitivetennis.com/style-vs-fundamentals

@K4R3N Жыл бұрын

How about my favorite? Pizza slice 🍕

@ravuthpum8306 Жыл бұрын

I prefer slices of pumpkin pie

@Itsyilong24 Жыл бұрын

I prefer apple pie

@crazylector Жыл бұрын

🔥

@timmayotte1645 Жыл бұрын

As a former Top Ten ATP Player I would use all various slices in different situations with different goals. Height of contact, distance from body, court position, even surface and weight of the ball etc all impacted the angle racquet head trajectory. Body type and amount of opening of shoulders also impact the type of swing path and finish.

@MrMSS22 Жыл бұрын

The problem with your advice is, the majority of the audience is not a former Top Ten ATP player.

@cybernetennis Жыл бұрын

wow thank you Tim

@johncoryell Жыл бұрын

Hey Tim! I remember watching your match in the wimbledon semis! I was not former top 10 atp like you, but i was top 100 on the wta

@timmayotte1645 Жыл бұрын

@@MrMSS22 Hey Marcel. Hope you are well. My main point was not that everyone could hit different types of slices. I was trying to convey that the various shots could and are hit by a single player. The video seems to stress that one certain player has only one type. U or J. Players can have all types depending on their position, goals etc. Thanks so much and hope all is well.

@rds4629 Жыл бұрын

what's the best way to slice a deep heavy ball (where you're basically hitting on the rise?) such as returning a heavy topspin serve to your BH? Is it better to use the older Rosewall slice?

@keith6032 Жыл бұрын

Surprised u didn't mention Ash Barty's slice. Great video tho. I have no idea if I J or U... I just lead with the elbow

@johnnyguitar6697 Жыл бұрын

Best slice on the WTA and ATP toours combined, until she retired.

@rubenzaccaroni731 Жыл бұрын

I think the main point is that you use different types of slices based on where you're impacting the ball. If you're hitting the ball below the net you have to hit a U type, closing forward. All pros do this since it's much harder to generate a topspin shot that will clear the net. A U-slice will give the ball more air, meaning it will clear the net. If on the other hand the ball is above the net, you can slice more aggressively (i.e. Federer style). The shot then has a downward trajectory, more spin and speed. Federer used this all the time by slicing down the line at fast pace.

@rubenzaccaroni731 Жыл бұрын

@@maxpowers4436 I don't really agree. Federer's standard forehand didn't finish overhead (like Nadal) but he would do it on occasion if he was on the run or if the conditions didn't allow. It's not always the same motion. Of all the movements the serve is the only consistent motion, mainly because you're in control of the toss and can standardize it.

@wilsoch Жыл бұрын

Great video! But, I'd rather learn Steffi's slice. Such an amazing shot.

@ToiletTennis Жыл бұрын

I was just trying to teach my girlfriends the slice last week. I'm a pretty trash coach but all your videos help me to help her. (and my own strokes as well of course) Thanks :)

@LaBambaCL Жыл бұрын

love the slice explanation and examples among fav pros!

@massimodanzelmo4607 2 ай бұрын

Nice work teacher 👍

@DateConElBate Жыл бұрын

Excelent explanation.

@crunchtimeeats347 Жыл бұрын

I found that very vertical movement works when there’s pace on that incoming ball. If there’s little pace, the reduced forward movement of the racket can lend a ball short.

@milanvincic9668 Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I needed! My slice has been off for quite some time. Will try U slice as soon as tomorrow. Hvala Nikola😁

@IntuitiveTennis Жыл бұрын

🙌

@keykey702 Жыл бұрын

Excellent lesson. Thank you Nick.

@GrungePopRecords Жыл бұрын

Excellent as always. Thanks so much

@tomsd8656 Жыл бұрын

In this video you talked about the different slices, but I actually learned from one of your earlier videos where you only talked about going from high to low. So as a one handed BH player, I naturally did the J slice simply for disguise, as I want the preparation to look the same whether I hit slice or top spin. Maybe that's the same reason for Federer and other one hander.

@user-go8oj4dl4w Жыл бұрын

I don't see how this works unless you use similar grips for both shots. I don't know what level of player is able to read the difference in racket angle due to the difference between a top spin and slice grip but I would guess 4.0 and up. Perhaps there are other differences in the set up that would give it away as well but the grip is the most obvious one to me.

@tomsd8656 Жыл бұрын

@user-go8oj4dl4w I did switch the grip as I started the slice. But for one handed player, you'd want the preparation (take back the racquet) to look the same. Two hander players don't have this problem, because they always take back with two hands when hitting drop shots. And the disguise is really for drop shots, as if it were just a slice, your opponent will be able to tell regardless.

@user-go8oj4dl4w Жыл бұрын

@@tomsd8656 you mean you use a 1HBH top spin grip for the take back and then switch to a slice grip as you're swinging forwards? I once saw Mike Bryan fake a backhand slice but then drive it using the slice grip, not a strong drive but it didn't need to be due to the disguise.

@tomsd8656 Жыл бұрын

@user-go8oj4dl4w Yes, I took back with the topspin grip and slightly rotated to hit a slice as I started the swing. But I usually did that only to try a drop shot. If it's just a slice back during a rally then no need to disguise, as the opponent can tell what kind of ball coming to him. But I had never tried what you said Mike Bryan did. That would probably be harder to pull off.

@user-go8oj4dl4w Жыл бұрын

@@tomsd8656 It was in a highlights reel for good reason! Everyone was expecting a lob and he hit a passing shot.

@joshcharlat850 Жыл бұрын

Nice presentation, thank you.

@dennisc2369 Жыл бұрын

General speaking, to me, if the coming ball is Low & Slow > U Low & Fast > J High & Slow > a more forward J High & Fast > a more downward J

@erniefloridarep Жыл бұрын

Great lesson. Could you talk about the slice as an offensive weapon next time? Also, the function/importance of the non racquet hand when slicing. Thanks in Advance

@pascalfl2610 Жыл бұрын

This is amazing presentation and great lesson even for somebody that doesn't play tennis.

@PrecisionPointTennis 4 ай бұрын

Absorbing your wisdom 🏆🎾🙏

@SLee-lh3pq Жыл бұрын

Very good!

@alpinescope4441 Жыл бұрын

It looks to me that there are three type of slice shots characterized by the wrist. 1) Cupped wrist through contact. 2) Cupped wrist transit into a flat or less-cupped wrist through contact. 3）Flat wrist through contact. The swing paths of the arm are very similar in all three. But because of the wrist positions the racquets look like going through very different paths. Federer does mostly (2). It seems like he executes a little ulnar deviation motion on the wrist through contact, which produces a little extra sting on the ball. This is probably hard for us mere mortals to emulate because it's difficult to time the wrist motion right. (1) and (3) would be easier for us because there is no need to worry about timing the wrist. The U-slice corresponds more or less to (1). The Nadal slice corresponds to (3). The following video has a good collections of various slices. Pay attention to the back of the wrist through contact. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/msxoqKqZmp7Xhp8.html

@hansolsson3409 Жыл бұрын

The Djokovic slice seems best for me, but i will try all three of them. Great video Nick! 😀

@IntuitiveTennis Жыл бұрын

🔥

@philippedebruin6657 Жыл бұрын

@@IntuitiveTennis what racket do you use

@f.arancibia2901 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@Folkstone1957 9 күн бұрын

The “modern slice” is just the “chop” from years ago. Both Rosewall & Laver could hit a slice drive, as could many other players. Coming through the ball, like Laver, is a drive. The “chop” just basically floats the ball back & is very effective at changing the pace ( see the brilliant approach Ashe took against Connors at the 1975 Wimbledon final ).

@jonizefox Жыл бұрын

Excellent analysis. I was taught the Nadal slice, it leads to the faster ball of the three but is surely not the easier to play. Love the J of Fed, but finally often play the safer U in matches...

@quentincrisp6933 Жыл бұрын

I remember listening to McEnroe during a Wimbledon match and he was complaining that a players BH slice wasn't going forward (linear) enough. I knew then time had passed him!😂 Your interpretations were excellent! Some people maintain that Roger's slice has the most head speed because he holds the racquet primarily with his left hand and the right hand has tension on it snapping it away from the left. (if that makes sense).

@sebastiandomagala9233 Жыл бұрын

I will surely use different styles for different situations. Picking up an aggressive topspin on the rise surely demands others swings than scratching a low ball from the ground. So it depends. I do both styles, maybe Sometimes even the Nadal cut.

@petrtamler4484 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for video, what about Steffi Graf slice, could you comment quickly please

@IntuitiveTennis Жыл бұрын

Both Graf and Barty have U shape slice. Graf starting position below shoulder like Djokovic most of the time

@petrtamler4484 Жыл бұрын

@@IntuitiveTennisthank you Nick

@peterschmidt6408 Жыл бұрын

So in a magical way the movement of the racket after(!) the point of contact influences the outcome ;) ...

@KENT6078965 Жыл бұрын

Good Lesson!! BTW, the most hard slice to deal with I think is the slice looks floating on the air then dropping down toward the baseline nearby.And once the ball touch the ground, it will go slipping fast. So how to slice a floating feeling ball. thx

@wearetemporary Жыл бұрын

Could you briefly point out the one or two main reasons that makes a slice float up and long. Sometimes my slice sails on me unexpectedly.

@philippeyared2050 Жыл бұрын

The Steffi Graf cross court backhand slice with lateral spin to the right, was specially agressive

@NickNeras 2 ай бұрын

Queen of slice Ash Barty 👌

@darthfreund 2 ай бұрын

No, Grafs Slice Queen all time

@andreip83 Жыл бұрын

Tried the Roger slice and it was great (aka my opponents hated it). It had a lot of spin and it landed kind of short in my case, also had side spin on it in some cases. It was no so good for defending as I did not manage to get depth on it. About the "U" style I'm trying right now I have mixed feelings. I feel it more controllable and has more depth (as I push the ball a little) but not that much spin as the Fed slice. Also sometimes I do the "U" part of the swing too early and hit it quite high ...

@cussyrichards6121 6 ай бұрын

Why does it matter what you do with the racket after contact? In the 'u-shaped slice' the racket lifts only after the ball has left the string-bed? So how is the lifting of the racket after that point going to lift the ball up?

@alfandosavant4639 Жыл бұрын

All your slice examples hit at the right side of the ball, making the ball to go inside out and have outside spin (to the left)?

@ispeakasiplease Жыл бұрын

I love slice because it throws the rhythm of my opponent off...and also it gives me some time to recover if I'm at a disadvantageous position on the court.

@experientialtennis Жыл бұрын

Actually Nadal on his slices and volleys changes his grip on the throat of the racket. Still continental but grip the throat much higher from the butt cap. I personally use something between J and U slice, but most of the time the top of my racket still faces down like Roger. I use the "clear the table" on short balls that I want to run forwards get quite low myself, hit the slice old-school and then wait ti hit a volley on the next shot. Still many coached teach this "clear the table" method, but I've never seen any pro hitting the slice that way from the baseline.

@pleaseenteraname1103 Жыл бұрын

I prefer the J slice.

@ottokruse Жыл бұрын

What is the significance of the racket movement *after* the impact point?

@TomSmith-gw6fn Жыл бұрын

The destination of the swing impacts how your racquet approaches the ball before you hit it.

@HKUSAPDX Жыл бұрын

I am a beginner tennis player, and my understanding is once the ball leaves the string or racket, any extra follow through motion is wasteful. If both strokes produce the same spin, why bother to do the U shape stroke with more recovery time?

@VeganBeerMonster Жыл бұрын

The examples in this video all had quite a bit of sidespin. I can see the occasional advantage of this when going down the line, but in most cases wouldn't it be better to have a slice that goes more through the court?

@dougwrightuspta6221 5 ай бұрын

Overall great advice and analysis... However, I number of times you used the expression "VERTICAL SWING PATH". If the swing is primarily a downward vertical swing path, for the last 100 years, that has been defined as a "CHOP". A slice is more horizontal to the court surface. Both shots are important and effective at the right tactical moments. Let's just keep the terms clear to better explain ideas to students. THANKS

@ale03000 Жыл бұрын

Ah just learning the Fed J slice 😅 how can it go so deep if he's just cutting it sideways ?

@oscarmetal 16 күн бұрын

I though that you should go forward to hit the slide. And i really think that a proper slide must be linear.

@Morcap 11 ай бұрын

Nowadays Dimitrov took slice to a new art form; he combines very well the BH slice (80% of the time) with full flat BH when passing.

@ministerofjoy Жыл бұрын

👏🏽👏🏽💯

@tan.nicolas Жыл бұрын

is that a wilson shift?

@cybernetennis Жыл бұрын

it has to be

@pencilcheck Жыл бұрын

Yea, I understand that the U and J are style but they use completely different muscle though. I wouldn't say style is bad, style is part of the fundamentals, I would say it is an artifact of the fundamentals + body limitations and other preferences. So ignoring style and not looking at matching body style or swing thoughts would not be good. Someone stubby with short arm or inflexible waist, legs probably and impossible to learn Federer's slides even though they know the fundamentals.

@K4R3N Жыл бұрын

First

@LetsBuildThatApp Жыл бұрын

Federer's slice is used on high balls to the backhand where you can come down on the ball to make it nose dive over the net. It's a totally different slice and is not that hard, especially against club players that have a lot of top spin but little pace. On low balls, you will always use the U slice motion.

@IntuitiveTennis Жыл бұрын

Have not seen a single rec player hit a quality J slice independent of ball height. Feel free to prove me wrong by posting a video below

@mrhatman675 Жыл бұрын

@@IntuitiveTennis how do you define a recreational player (maybe by the years of playing the game?)

@germanslice Жыл бұрын

I probably use all three of them on certain balls and not realize it.

@leecherlarry Жыл бұрын

sorry but this is absolute bull. if one is 150cm short, one cannot do a J slice. in general, every player does the slice movement which feels the most natural to his natural movement. this is why every player has a different-looking serve and not everyone has a isner serve. there _is_ some point in trying to adopt the isner serve or the federer slice but eventually they will end up doing their own variant of a serve and slice. namely their intuitive serve and slice.

@smashu2 Жыл бұрын

They call me Tortellini !

@caocaohehe Жыл бұрын

I thought I was doing Roger slice, Until I saw my own video. Mine is more similar to Rafas

@HeavyTopspin Жыл бұрын

So I'm guessing there'll be no video on the Jensen Brooksby 2-handed slice. What if we want to learn to hit the ugliest shot in tennis?

@marykistnen6837 Жыл бұрын

I use my wrist a lot more and my hand goes out in the direction of the shot.

@alexager9670 Жыл бұрын

Shifted to S H I F T - nice😎

@juan2thepaab Жыл бұрын

Doesn't the finish depend on the incoming ball? A high slice will finish low, a low slice will finish high

@zaya5704 Жыл бұрын

My slice is L Slice.

@cybernetennis Жыл бұрын

You need to be careful giving slice advice I developed tendonitis because of my very effective but tennis elbow inducing slice.

@FF_AlohaEdition Жыл бұрын

I'm no pro but I firmly believe slice is just a product of the weakness of the players stroke. Why hit slice when I can hit a proper backhand? With that in mind it's not like I can hit three different slices at will unless I'm a slice specialist. There are exception where it makes sense to over slice but that's still the same slice. From a demonstrative point this video is good but it's not a guide to how to hit a specific type of slice unless I'm trying to become a slice specialist.

@phoenxman42 Жыл бұрын

The J slice is acceptable for ONLY ball at your knees or low. I totally disagree with how you described the U-shaped slice. You didn’t Sturbridge your shoulders and coiled to hit it and by definition, if you do it wrong. It will look wrong and travel across the net poorly. Further, the U-shaped stroke if done correctly DOES NOT float through the court. Rather, it travels sharply across the court, hits the surface and keeps going. In summary, the J-shaped stroke has a purpose. But you grossly misrepresented and feminist rated the proper use of the U-shape stroke. Last, Ken Rosewall is NOT a good example of the use of the U-shape stroke.