What I love about Bad Santa 1 is that even though it's crass as hell, it still ultimately is a christmas story with positive themes like bonding and changing for the better. It's like an R-rated version of the Grinch. Bad Santa 2 just doesn't have that same feel.

Him talking about the ice cream and fudge was legit threatening

5:28 "All I care about is the people who loved the first movie" is a motto taken by too many screenwriters who write comedy sequels.

I remember seeing commercials for this back in 2016 and somehow got it in my head that it was called Badder Santa. I would ask my friends if they were going to go see Badder Santa and always give a super confused look. It was until a year or two later that I learned that Badder Santa was the extended unrated cut of the first film.

Bad Santa is one of those movies that is so original it can't be duplicated. Just like Dumb and Dumber. The sequel was trash, the original was a gem.

Bad Santa being 20 years old is.... a reality check for me. Someone bring me my cane.

Just a little addition: Angry Beavers was not your typical cartoon. It was very satirical and self-aware kind of like an Animaniacs. So, it was made for kids but especially for adults.

Yet another comedy sequel that came out over a decade after the original and nobody ever talks about it, like Zoolander 2.

Man Billy Bob is always so damn serious, even when it comes to comedy! Love him or hate him, he's a damn good actor!!

Bob Thornton was pushing to revisit this role because when you're one of the biggest dickheads in Hollywood, there's an ever-shrinking number of people who want to work with you and an ever-growing number of people who will celebrate you crashing and burning. So it's inevitable he reaches the "cashing-in-on-old-successes" phase of celebrity sooner than others, when nobody wants to help him or be seen helping him. This wasn't a passion project, it was an act of desperation from an actor with nothing left to offer.

The first Bad Santa was kinda like the American Pie movies (the actual movies, not those awful direct to dvd spin-offs), in that, yes they were crass, vulgar and crude…but they had a heart. That’s what Bad Santa 2 was missing…the heart.

The thumbnail is a lesson a lot of studios could learn

The first movie there’s a scene where Bernie Mac and John Ritter have a scene together and it makes me miss both immensely every time I watch them. Both actors always have such heart in their performances.

Like I always say, some things just need to end where they end.

Bad Santa is one of my all time favourite Christmas movies. Yeah, it’s dark, it’s gross, but it’s got a certain warmth to it. The scenes with Thurman, give it a real sense of Christmas. It’s a film that NEVER needed a sequel.

There is one scene that almost replicates the same magic that was the first film. When Willie is watching Thurman sing and how he feels knowing what he is about to pull and the tension before the lights go off. To me, that nailed it.

I’ve watched the first “Bad Santa” many times. It still cracks me up. I watched the second one once and I don’t think I laughed even one time. ‘Nuff said.

Wow. I absolutely loved Bad Santa. I didn't know they had a Bad Santa 2. 🤯

Poor Christina Hendricks has to have one of the worst agents in Hollywood. I can't even imagine the whiplash if you watched her in an episode of Mad Men as Joan where she gives a deeply nuanced performance as a strong, yet compromised woman in a male dominated space and then immediately saw her in this or Pottersville where she's basically a movie long joke about furries (and man is that film ideal for Forgotten Failures).

Billy Bob seems absolutely insufferable. I went down the interview rabbit hole recently. Lots of costars hating on him too.

Not only did I forget this existed, but I forgot about it a week after I saw it in theaters

I love the original bad Santa bc it’s crass, dark, and pessimistic at times but it works well. Bad Santa 2 lost so much of the magic and is just an unpleasant movie

At first I was like "They already made a sequel to Bad Santa, it was called Badder Santa" but I looked it up and sure enough; Staring me square in the face was Bad Santa 2.

The original Bad Lieutenant is still the best.

I can’t look at Thurman without crying a little bit. He reminds me of my grandson… even though my grandson is over 30 years old lol. He is a wonderful little actor! ❤

I just watched Bad Santa 2 again for the first time in years. And I have gained a new appreciation for it. I think it will eventually find an audience. It will never be as popular as Bad Santa 1. But it isn’t nearly as bad as I remembered it, either. 🤷‍♂️

Thornton seriously overestimates his own artistic credentials.

The first problem is they have Sunny as his mom, not his older sister, which would be more believable considering their age gap between Bates and Thorton (only 7 years). I would have liked the idea where Willie no longer does cons (it's later revealed a financially successful Thurman provides financial support) but only does the heist to get money for his sick sister (as he is too prideful to ask Thurman for money). Marcus could have done the transitionary role as a cameo who brings Willie to Sunny. Only for Sunny to betray Willie in the end. Thurman's role should have also been a cameo who shows up at the end, maybe to bail Willie out when all is said and done. Still with a bit of naivety but a little more world weary. He sees himself though more as a "good santa", even to give a bunch of money to Sunny for her sickness (its later revealed she cons him). For good comedy you could even have Thurman be super into older women and have him sleep with Sunny because he really wants to "bang Santa's wife".

Damn, I really did forget about this

I legitimately didn't even realize this existed.

Won’t lie, my buddies and I LOVED both Bad Santa 1 & 2. We were dying laughing at the second one and felt it still had heart. Not nearly as good as the 1st but still entertaining.

Perfect timing since I had been binge watching your vids this morning.

One of the reason I hope Violent Night does not get a sequel. I am sure Violent Night will also become a cult hit but if they ever do a sequel I think this is the same thing that is going to happen.

Your videos are always amongst my favorite to see hit my inbox, well done as always

Instead of Bad Santa 2 watch the first season of Fargo Billy bob is legitimately threatening and very funny too

i LOVED the first one as a kid (i was 12 when it came out) the second one was SUCH a dissapointment

I recently listened an interview with the director of the original _Bad Santa_ on Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast. He said Billy Bob Thorton was a really big jerk and made everyone else miserable, so that is likely why the original director didn't come back. He did say that Thorton was helpful in supporting his desired casting for the kid and the dwarf when the studio wanted to hire other people, such as a cute "Disney kid" for the kid in the movie. Also, the Weinstein brothers edited the movie in a way he did not approve of. While the director technically had "final cut", he could not afford to pay for the legal process to actually enforce this.

It's a brighter day when you upload.

Great to finally see another "forgotten failures" video. And one that's holiday themed no less!

So true. Was so hyped for the second movie. Have watched the first one countless times over the last 2 decades. Have seen the sequel once... Great video.

I'd still love to see you cover "The Radioland Murders" someday. It's kind of in-between a Forgotten Failure or an Almost Cult Classic, mostly depending on whether its frantic vibe clicks with the viewer. Plus it comes from such a weird place in George Lucas's career.

Finally! My favorite KZfaqr is back!!! Dang I wish you made more videos my dude!!

Jingle all the Way 2 makes Bad Santa 2 look like it’s a wonderful life.

Would like to see a forgotten failures: the family man starring Nicholas Cage.

One thing the movie really got wrong was Marcus and Therman In the original Marcus is the competent partner who has all the plans laid out who'd probably succeed if it weren't for Willie and also has a stable romantic relationship (with admittedly someone whose just as awful a person as he). In the sequel he's almost as much of a loser as Willie just in different ways and it seems less like he's being punished for being, y'know, an awful person who literally murdered someone and almost succeeded at murdering someone else and more just for...being short. In the original Therman is a quiet, withdrawn kid who only really lights up whenever talking to Willie and/or Santa. In the sequel he's an overly giddy person who is somehow now trying to make friends with everyone he meets. Like how the hell could you mess up two of the main characters?

Nice way to leave us wanting more at the very end there. I've been curious about that movie, but not enough to actually watch it (Jingle All the Way 2). I'd love to hear you talk about it

Bates and Thornton do look the same age, which makes sense: they were 68 and 61 respectively when the film was released. Why couldn't she be his sister?

I always call Billy Bob the dad of Timothy Olyphant

Great job as always!

I couldn’t bring myself to watch it.

The red border on the thumbnail tricked me into thinking I had watched this already for a sec.

I enjoy both films. I watch them back-to-back every year. I wasn't expecting cinematic masterpieces with either one. Just raunchy laughs and that's what I get.

I've never seen an actor so stoned in an interview in my life as much as Thorton is here, nice find.

The Vacation movies seem to be almost immune to that rule.

One of my favorite parts of the first was when Willy was trying to rest and the kid kept insisting on bringing him food to the bed and Willy, about to pass out drunk with his head back and almost not moving his mouth says "Jesus what is it with you making fucking sandwiches" 🤣

I saw this in theaters when it came out, and honestly I completely forgot about this whole movie. I forgot that Kathy Bates was even in this thing.

love this channel

This was such a failure that I both forgot it existed until this video and I haven't watched the original since this one came out, though it used to be on my annual list!

I love your content, you have my subscription. John Ritter was amazing in the first movie and Bernie Mac.

You know what, i'm going to say it. I like bad santa 2. It may not be as good as the first one, but it definitely had multiple moments that had me in stitches of laughter!

It still gets me every time when in the first one where the kid asks how can he be dropped on his own head.

best editing yet!!!

0:00-0:26 Billy sounds like a flunking Philosophy major who didn’t prepare a presentation in time so he’s now completely improvising a speech about the meaning of life

Very impressive editing in this video.

"Bad Lieutenant"😂

Thornton giving massive Lorne Malvo vibes in the interview segments.

And to think WatchMojo said the original Bad Santa had "aged poorly" because it had raunchy jokes...Well that's the point of an ADULT COMEDY called "BAD SANTA" starring a character that's a miserable Scrooge...

totally agree bad grandpa wouldnt exist without bad santa 100%

Never even knew they made a part 2. I feel like with nostalgia sequels coming out 20 years later all the time these days, maybe a Bad Santa 2 this year would’ve had a better reception.

I love your channel

I do love the original. Had no clue this sequel existed, and I will never consider it canon.

I couldn't believe it when you said this only released six years ago, which made it even more shocking to realize I think I saw this but have held almost no memory of it. I remember just clearly enough the opening scene and their scheme of stealing from the charity with Christina Hendricks's character.

I'm glad it was made.....💯....And that's my opinion..... Loved....BAD SANTA..... CLASSIC.....😎🥃🔥

Loved this movie and still do

I loved bad santa 2 tbh. The kid being still the same way makes it kind of depressing and sad in a way the first movie wasnt. But still enjoyable

This reminds me of Joe Dirt 2 the first one is a classic but I had no idea they made a sequel because it sucked so hard it went completely unnoticed

Bad Santa 2 certainly wasn't a huge failure like dumb and dumber too. It certainly didn't live up to the classic original but it was still a worthy sequel in my opinion.

because of the thumbnail on this video it tricked me into think I had already watched it

I didn't even know this movie exists. That's a testament to how great it is!

I think Billy Bob got all of Burt Reynolds' wigs.

I love both Bad Santas..wouldve loved another 😎..BBT is the Man!

I saw the second bad Santa in the theater, and the whole audience laughed.

OMG your little inserts of Ritter doing his “eww” face made me literally laugh my ass off. Hahahahahahahaha

Kathy Bates is only 7 years older than Billy Bob Thornton.

Great video.

Jingle all the way 2 is one of my favorite holiday movies.

I Hope i'm not the only one who hearing about this movie first time in life... 32 yr old life .that interview is hilariously funny and sad... merry xmas to all . YAY.

I remember going on opening day and laughing my ass off. My wife and I just watched both back to back and for the life of me I don't understand the hate for Bad Santa 2.

This film may not be as good as the first film, it’s still a solid sequel in my opinion that had me laughing almost the entire time when watching it for the first time.

I loved this movie.

At least there’s always the original Bad Santa.🙏

I loved 1 and 2 and 2 cracked me up to no end

I don't even remember there being a part 2. So I guess for alot of us, "Forgotten" is an understatement.

Both bad santa movies were great!!!! Love yhem.both

Aww man, when are you going to talk about the new Christmas Story movie.

I appreciate how you threw in Bad Lieutenant. Lmao

I love Bad Santa 1. I've watched Bad Santa 2, I cant remember a single scene of it.

I actually felt this movie wasn't to shabby. It was a decent follow-up. Billy and all the others put their heart into it. It wasn't as good as the original, but if you liked the original it was worth a see to me. I myself liked it. I watched it recently.

I didn't even know this movie existed. And I love the first one

I just watched both movies 2 nights ago. Bad Santa 2 was not the masterpiece that the first film was but it was good. Def. not forgotten.