He breaks the rules in a way that Johnny doesn’t in terms of his gameplay. Not saying Johnny isn’t incredibly powerful and definitely not saying he’s not the best but he still more or less follows the rules of traditional guilty gear character. Raven follows the design philosophy of the xrd specific character where they convert off of literally every hit and has really high loopable pressure after the knockdown. Again Johnny is the best though not arguing that but Johnny still has to spend a resource in his coins to get that conversion or still has to spend meter or one of his levels to convert off his long range normals. Still incredibly powerful though I wish he couldn’t get level three so easily.

Lmfaooo. Facts

Never played GG, what's so OP about Johnny?

@@no64256 absurdly good buttons with a lot of range. He can manually cancel almost any of his normals on block with mist cancels so he can link heavy with another heavy which can create a lot of different pressure. Most common being kick into heavy slash or even down slash into slash. A lot of these can be fd’d out of or you can jump if the Johnny is auto piloting , you can also 2d it if your venom, sol etc. but can be really oppressive if you let the Johnny rock. Landing coins makes his slash a laser beam that leads to a full combo off of almost anywhere on the screen and his cancels get better the more he levels up. And he just shits out a lot of damage.

@@wowiwhwbw I completely agree. I really wish he didn’t get access to lvl three extremely easily. But compared to a lot of the cast he’s just on the higher end of power in the game. Literally everyone has really degenerate stuff in one way or another it’s just how easy and quick some characters can get to it. I like gear because tier lists are in reality much closer together compared to games with more movement restrictions where people have less ways of dealing with powerful characters.

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omg lol... I hope we have a stretchy character in strIVe though!

inb4 raven in strive

I need Raven back in Strive

@@andrescisneros4453 DUEL 1

Um That’s... NOT RIGHT Right?? XD

@@Ramsey276one definitely not lmaoo Kum doesnt have ground gatlings and her BnB combo tool, shiinken, is somewhat execution heavy (623[k hold]4[k release]). that being said it can be used in pretty much any juggle situation and hits like a truck. her oki is similar to raven's but once again there is an execution barrier because you manually control her orbs. she's a strange character. raven is definitely more basic and easy to use imo, even though some things about him are pretty left field.

also need to be on top of the enemy to get proper oki but thats not such a big deal since most of her combos lead to hkd right beside her anyway (jH dunks them like a basketball)

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i felt so bad for the other player lol. His Prime Oki was beyond busted

@@DragonflySwamp I shall listen to yt *ascending noises*

So that’s what that is?

it actually did kill him, its just that his body regenerated around it, and ultimately just left him in the same state but with a spike in his head. he just never bothered to remove the damn thing.

@@onlinepanic2036 Well I guess if you try to kill ys and you're still alive at the end of the day then it still counts as "mission failed,I gonna take two spikes next time"

@@revthescatman137 that's what Wikipedia says,if you look at his model you can see that it sticks out at the back of his head too if I remember correctly.

@@crazy_teacup ravens immortality is really weird. he cant age, but more or less he actually takes any and all damage until it properly kills him, upon which he gets revived on the spot and fully healed. any other healing he does is his own magic. meaning that technically, he did succeed in killing himself, just not the way he wanted to. the plan was to obstruct his brain stem and make it impossible to regenerate with human functions.

The scratchyness of his voice and the quality of the mic make a nice satisfying to listen to combo. A new mic would ruin that.

Yeah I thought it was TTS at first...

Honestly, the shitty mic really makes it.

@@thechugg4372 I had to watch a couple of vids to make sure it wasn’t so I definitely agree

@@Sin_Doog yeah it’s honestly kinda nice feels very authentic

I feel like Raven is responsible for the oki changes, and Johnny is responsible for the gatling changes.

@@GenericSoda I subscribe to LK's theory that they just wanted to trim the fat

@@HellecticMojo I haven't really seen much in the way of positive reaction to the gatling changes and I can't think of any real reason other than to prevent the disparity in reward from Xrd. Some characters could get crazy damage and oki from 2P/2K starters while other characters only got oki at best. If that is the reason then I feel the gatling changes in Strive make more sense, even if I feel their execution was misguided.

Oki is fine in Strive, Zato already set playing fools

@@AgentSephiroth Long as it's not unblockables, I'm fine.

That's part of what I like about playing Raven. Even if I make a mistake and get counter hit, at least he's enjoying himself.

Thank you! MatthewMatosis is a huge inspiration of mine, both for his style and because I'm the kind of weirdo who enjoys listening to hour-long commentary tracts for games I haven't played.

The palettes were great, yeah!

This video was a joy to watch, i definetly looking forward for more)

Did you get the job?

Same here. I needed something to replace Testament since he wasn't in Xrd. Didn't expect to main what was considered a "braindead top tier."

Most definitely ~ as a fighting game creator hopeful, this was fascinating! It felt invaluable seeing how they tweaked Raven in a way that maintained his intended play style.

Why? 'Cause he looks skinny?

Potemkin would be a good character as he notoriously never got enough of the tools he needed. Also I’m a Potemkin main and am biased.

i guess one could say he was the pre-patch leroy of his time & game.

I'd like to, but I don't know much about the character. I'd have to enlist the help of someone else - either that or just focus on the ways he interacts well with the system mechanics. It'd certainly be an interesting video, and I could milk it for a clickbait title about "top tiers" since everyone likes watching those videos.

@@DragonflySwamp Dont worry if its not doable. Though in scope of the Xrd series as a whole, with Bafael's "Bad Balance" series as inspiration, there are plenty of Xrd characters to look at. Sin was always very strong, Elphelt always seems to be very oppressive in tournament play, and I know Ram was quite powerful in some versions. I think one interesting aspect to this video, and your insights, is how you highlighted players like Kazunoko who used Raven to sweep through tourneys. As GG is a much more creatively driven fighter then others, it might be neat to see how certain players made characters look much more stronger then they are. Omitto is a god, for example, so its natural that he makes Johnny looks pitifully easy. Cheers

Good point. I really should have covered his dash more and why he has it to compensate for his lack of a normal IAD.

Well i found you from 4chan it was a post about fighting game characters most likely to be mained by filthily goth lord trench coat hoarding school shooters, the thread had thousands of replies and the original post had a link to your video.

@@CC-fi3pp Man, I'm really internet famous now if the anonymous hacker known as 4chan is paying attention to me. Neat, although they're certainly not responsible for 30,000+ views in such a short time.

Aw, thanks. I'm kind of lazy and I have other things going on in my life, but I do have other video projects in the works and I think they're pretty neat ideas. I will take your comment as motivation to those videos. If nothing else, I can save you some time.

@@DragonflySwamp Not so sure if losing good breakdowns like this are a good trade off. I might have other youtubers to talk about GG, but I'll miss your content regardless. I also seriously love your video on the character you should pick in Xrd to play. I recommend that to my friend everytime when I meet somebody who is new or I think should see it. As for real life I can 100% relate, man. I've been having trouble coming up with new things for my channel as well. Things are tough thanks to the current climate, but I believe (and hope) we will get through this. I hope things get better for you in your life in general as well. Keep having fun, playing GG and finding new reasons to stay motivated!

​@@Vitz_atelier I think you may have misunderstood me: I'm not stopping making videos, I just don't work very fast and I want to change that. My other video projects are all focused on GG and fighting games.

@@DragonflySwamp Sorry for the misunderstanding! I'll be eagerly waiting for those. Take your time.

Balance history is a very time-consuming and difficult thing to research and produce, so I likely won't. But I do have some other ideas for analyzing particular characters and system mechanics in Xrd.

That's pretty simple: - 2D isn't special cancellable - 6K is no longer a fast overhead option - no Judge Gauntlet means he can only use his backdash as a reversal - j.S no longer spikes for landing and rejumping in combos - Heat Knuckle knocks away instead of dropping the opponent at your feet - generally lower damage output in Xrd That's for +R, anyway. AC Potemkin had Slide Head unblockables that he could combo off of use to generate a tonne of meter to spend on another unblockable. He was truly stupid in vanilla AC.

You should! It's fun and goes on sale often.

I truly do believe this character and some of the xrd specific character last killed the game for a lot of people that were trying to get into the game. It almost killed for me if my main wasn’t Johnny in rev 1 when that came out. Rev was my first real serious fighter and this character was the most cancerous thing while trying to learn the game. Sorry you had that experience with your acquaintance though.

@@MrCowman57 yeah the game being left in it's current state doesn't do it any favors. They quite unreasonably nerfed two other characters I was playing in the final patch. (Bedman, Answer) So I could only really have fun as either Slayer or Kum. The favoritism in Xrd is really strong and sadly the top 6 characters are not a playstyle I enjoy. My friend and I are talking again though as of recently. We had other problems to work out but Xrd really drove a wedge into it since we couldn't even have fun together. Thank the gods +R got a netcode revamp so I can play it with friends now instead of Xrd.

Interesting question that made me think a lot about the topic. I think knockdown > projectile > mixup is just as prevalent in the XX series (although I admit I'm not too familiar with them) under optimal circumstances, but there are so many more character-specific variables that securing a good knockdown is much harder to do. Ky and Sol have ways to convert air combos into knockdowns and setplay, but they can miss if the characters aren't aligned the right way in the air, for instance. Ky as a comparison point is especially interesting because he has 2D > CSE and has had that for literal decades. People don't complain about that, right? Same thing with Sol doing Gunflame FRC > pressure instead of Gunflame YRC > pressure. I think the underlying issue here isn't necessarily that Raven is so dependent on orb, but that Raven has really good high-low mixup tools (glide, either steep or horizontal) where Ky doesn't. Thus, Raven would be just as troublesome with Ky's CSE instead of his orb, because either one facilitates a horizontal glide mixup at worst, and it's the glide mixups that really makes him threatening. Ky's only ways to open up someone blocking a CSE are Greed Sever and 5D, both of which are reactable. I might be able to spin this into a larger video about the "projectile YRC meta" that people have criticized Xrd for (sometimes rightly). What do you think?

@@DragonflySwamp Ky doesn't really do 2D CSE FRC in +R as much, I don't know about past XX entries, but he was much more crossup focused. In +R at least, it feels like only a few characters have projectile-reliant oki. Sol really doesn't do Gunflame FRC much for oki either.

@@DragonflySwamp I think such a video would be interesting to make so I’d be down to watch that. Regarding the subject itself tho I do see what u mean to particular degree with your examples of Sol and Ky in XX but I do still feel the emphasis on knockdowns into fireball okizeme is still stronger in Xrd than in XX. For example in XXACPR while it is certainly true that Sol has FRC gun flame as a tool and that he could go for knockdowns (let say in the corner off of a dustloop and into a VV) they didn’t seem to be as optimal for him since he had the Clean Hit system and would go for those instead which ran the risk of also forgoing the knockdown. Also my main query was more so comparing the newer members of the roster exclusive to Xrd (Raven, Haehyun, Ram, Leo, Jack-o, etc) to the XX exclusive characters. Like in comparison I feel characters like Anji, A.B.A, Order Sol, Robo Ky, etc felt more varied cuz a huge part of their respective gameplans wasn’t focused that much in scoring knockdowns into some sort of fireball mixup as much as the Xrd cast (not saying that they didn’t have that as part of their gameplan but at least I feel it was in a much smaller degree because their respective strategies had greater strengths in other aspects of their characteristics where as in Xrd I feel the newer members of the roster revolve around this mindset much more). So yeah that’s kinda what I think. Also sorry for the late response and if my message is a lot less organized than last time, have had a very busy schedule and have been trying to squeeze in time to write to this. I hope I was able to articulate my pints well enough and look forward to your response and/or your content

@@DragonflySwamp I dont agree with you that Kys only high-lows possible from CSE oki is 5D or 214K. He is able to make use of delayed airdash in order to open up his opponent in xrd. What is the big thing i think is that he cant do this from all knockdowns though. "Poor" KDs like stun dipper would at the very least require to YRC the CSE in order to not create a huge gap in the empty low/delayed airdash mixup. He usually also needs to have a grinder set up to have enough active frames to once again not leave a huge gap to stop the mixup. So i would say that for ky to set up a threatening highlow mixup requires him to fulfill multiple conditions.