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Federal Government will start rebuilding the bridge during the investigation of the crash.

The feds will use taxpayer money. Better get your spare change together.

Republican governor Larry Hogan left Maryland with a $5 billion surplus. The New Democrat governor has already spent most of it.

You would wish the government would just throw everything at it. Put the military engineers to work. Hire every construction worker in the city. Obviously not gonna happen.

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Most government speaking is Pre-written commentary and statements, with fill in the blank answers a lot of the time, they tweak it just enough to make it feel a little different each time though. As for this, it did happen over 11 hours ago, plenty of time to have a speech/response written up, only need 45 minutes for that.

No they are an LLC, the executive had emergency bonus checks issued just before the crash and now they can declare bankruptcy and leave taxpayers to foot the bills which is tradition.

Really? I heard the bridge was shut down from the mayday call, which would mean nobody could drive across it. The ones missing were some construction crew working on pot holes. I guess they didn't care to get them off the bridge when they stopped all the traffic.

​​@@Jason-wc3fhFiar point. Maybe they just didn't know the construction crew were there. We don't know the exact timing yet so it's hard to tell if there was even enough time. They might have only had pffff I have no idea. 5-20 Min ?

​@@Jason-wc3fh There was very little time between the ship losing power and then hitting the bridge. I know that the workers on the bridge typically have construction vehicles parked where they are working for safety. That might account for some of the vehicles in the water.

They rescued 2. One was uninjured and other in critical condition.

@@Jason-wc3fh the footage showed at least 2 vehicles plunging into the river. Those were most likely the last vehicles that were on it right before they shut it down. I'm thinking there wasn't enough time to get the work crew off the bridge.

They were able to drop the port anchor, but it just dragged the anchor.

The anchors would drag along the bottom, for quite a distance.

Reportedly they did, and photos at the accident site show at least the port anchor chain in the water.; though the anchor(s) could have been dropped after the impact, it does seem likely they dropped at least one before that, which is actually pretty impressive given the time available. I spent 15-ish years in the Navy, and normal practice when a ship (naval or merchant) goes in or out of a harbor is to be in a "protective" posture, with the ship's engineer in the engine room along with all the engineering personnel, all backup/alternate equipment and systems manned, up, and running, the best helmsman on the wheel, the aft (or "emergency') steering station manned in case something goes wrong on the bridge, and the deck crew at the anchor windlass ready to let go the anchor immediately if propulsion is lost. It appears that most or all of this happened. It's been reported that they ship lost power briefly approaching the Key Bridge - video shows the lights were out for maybe 10 seconds or so and then came back up with a big cloud of black smoke probably indicating a diesel engine restart. Whether they were able to restore propulsion at that time or just electrical power is a question that will be answered. It's been reported that in that brief period they got off a Mayday call, and that may have stopped any more vehicles from getting on to the bridge. And unfortunately, it appears that they were also able to drop at least one anchor, which based on my experience and a very educated guess, will actually emerge as being what led to them hitting the bridge abutment and bringing it down. You have to understand several things about ship's anchors - first, they need to actually lie flat on the bottom to dig in; that involves paying out a considerable amount of anchor chain and then snubbing (braking and locking) it. Without getting too far into the math, at this point they were probably looking at an amount of chain approximately equal to at least the ship's length, which means the ship would have covered that distance (about a ship length) before the anchor started to do anything. Remember that when this happened, they were only a few lengths from the bridge. Also, ships are massive - I'm sure you've heard that it takes a mile or more to stop a fast-moving freight train; the same is true for ships. They have immense momentum / inertia, and it takes a considerable distance to stop them even from the slow speed that this ship was moving at (reportedly under 10 mph) and even if they actually had the engines available to reverse the propellers. Again, from a distant look at the publicly posted videos, it appears that from the point where power failed, there was no way the ship could have stopped before the bridge. And in hindsight that - key word, "may" - be why letting the anchor(s) go may have led them to hitting in the bridge. The anchor wasn't going to be enough to stop them before the bridge, but what it may have done is to make enough drag to cause the ship to veer off the center of the channel to the right (some reports indicate the starboard/right aside anchor was the first one let go) and into the bridge abutment. Had they known, it - again, key word "may" - have been better, knowing that they couldn't stop in time, to hold the anchor and try to coast under the bridge while they still had steerage way and then try to stop once they were past. Remember unlike a car a ship needs water flow over the rudder to be able to steer, and as the ship slowed - and veered - it was also losing the ability to steer and avoid the bridge abutment. In this case it appears that they took the right actions; (and in an impressively fast time) but i hindsight it may have been wiser if they didn't.

Released several dozen minutes before because the ship was under its own power and safely in the deepest part of the channel, the accident involved a complete loss of power, twice, (the black smoke you see is them desperately trying to get the engines back online), and the veer right was a last minute anchor drop (left failed to drop) on backup battery power, which they also used to call in a mayday call to the port with enough time to let the bridge crews stop MOST traffic coming on to the bridge minutes before. This was an unavoidable accident at this time.

@@Jyoumon - All the pilot had to do was keep the helm on present course. It would have drifted through the channel. That last minute turn to starboard appears very deliberate. No skipper in their right mind would have done different than what I am suggesting.

@@Storm-Fury56 depending on the tide there could most definitely be a cross current that could turn a ship with no propulsion or rudder control with ease, on top of that they were most likely panicking a little trying to deal with a blown engine on top of uncontrollable drift in a very delicate portion of their trip, im certain they tried to drop both anchors but I know not why the other failed.

I thought he said that (rush) too, for a moment, but he actually says brush. I think he was going to say the guy had a brush with death which is the typical saying but stopped himself after brush because he knew that whilst that guy survived others are known to have died.

@@hughfh Cheers - I stand corrected.

It will have economic impacts because people will lie and say their supply chains are impacted so they can profiteer

If there are millions of cars sitting around why are their waiting periods to get delivery on lots of models.? The industry publishes the ratio of inventory to sales. These hit a historical low in the end of 2021 and have come up, but are still well, well below any point from 1950 through 2020.

​@@gomerromer7708I remember they said there were waiting lists for Teslas then Tesla dropped their prices and cut sales estimates

@@gomerromer7708 Are you serious? Have you even drove by a dealership lately? Quit watching CNN for your news, get off your ass and look around you!

Drive? Even the EV's? Wait until you see how screwed up things are when Baltimore can't function as a port city. The mess, thus far, only holds a candle to the chaos that lies ahead.

power lines snapping

Electrical

That's what happens when concrete gets hit. Believe it or not there is a lot of dust on the road and parts of the bridge. If you hit a hammer on a dusty floor the dust comes up. Magnify this and it looks like an explosion. Plus these ships are huge and so is the force to hold up a bridge. Thus, a lot of force is generated when heavy forces collide. It is just physics.

Steel Scraping against Steel also creates sparks

Jet fuel

Well said...so true... God forbid North American governments take care of their own first..

No doubt "they" (whoever "they" are) wanted those workers dead! Silly rabbit.

How do you know that the workers weren't contacted by radio? You can't always pick up and leave at the drop of a hat.

You can see vehicle lights going by less than 20 seconds before the impact. They got that traffic stopped at each end of the bridge but I doubt there was time for the work crew to get into their vehicles and get going.

There was a semi that passed that pylon just b4 the impact. No way they stopped traffic for a plain old cargo ship. In Boston we have the Tobin bridge, they only stop traffic when LG tanker ships pass by.

@@williammason8566 They most definitely stopped traffic. I was one of those they stopped. That SOS saved my life.

They lost power and part of that had to do with the steering of the ship.

That was not intentional, they had dropped the starboard anchor a few seconds after sending a mayday call with remaining battery power, this caused the ship to veer right but not stop. it simply hit with its left side instead of its right.

That was the highest part of the bridge (until it wasn't).

They lost internet access and were trying to get back on tiktok

Cargo Container ship under the Singapore flag, Reported LOP a few minutes before impact, Crew not at fault.

Crew probably not at fault although wait for the investigation. Sometimes a mistake by an engineer can result in loss of the plant. Sometimes there is a maintenance failure, i.e. failure to clean fuel filters. But there certainly will be fault to the owners. Somewhere over 95 percent of all propulsion plant failures are due to inadequate maintenance because owners don't want to spend the money necessary to do it well.

@@Jyoumonsooo a failure to do proper maintenance 'isn't their fault'.....It's the entire reason the crew EXISTS.

@@ImezRuez pretty sure the ship crew arent the ones that do routine maintenance, thats up to Maersks mechanics. what you said is like blaming a flight crew for a lack of maintenance done by the airline

8knts isn't even 12mph. It lost main engine power twice, that huge amount of black smoke seen from its stack was them trying to restart the engines, and they issued a distress call/SOS to warn the bridge using battery power.

Where were the tugs? Also, the speed limit is 15 in the harbor... it's on the buoys

The tugs had left the ship once it was under its own power in the main channel on course to leave the port. Once it lost power it would have no rudder control and no propulsion control, and would be just a 100,000 ton object drifting uncontrollably towards the bridge.

The video speed has been increased.

Would terrorists issue a Mayday call to inform authorities, duh?

I did it by accident telepathically while I was sleeping

I'm highly doubtful it was a "he." Remember the Suez Canal debacle?

This is not a cantilevered bridge. Look at the Firth of Forth or Quebec bridges. A cantilevered bridge has a symmetry around a foundation point. This is just a steel arch bridge with approach spans that are completely independent struturally.

one 'tap'...... You clearly fail to realize a 'tap' from 1000 foot long boat is a FUCKLOAD of force BEFORE you load it to the gills with cargo. Add in that bridges handle SHEAR force kinda poorly since that's not something you design for since only a complete idiot hits one with a boat.

yeah its a continuous through truss according to the wikipedia

Bits of string and sealing wax makes me think of the song Puff the magic dragon.

95,000 tons gross tonnage of that ship. hard for any bridge to survive that, much less one from 1977

Other bridges that western countries do not like have to withstand military grade explosive and cruse missiles. They still stand up and do not fall apart like this load of old junk. @@JessInThe999

Well you are certainly right to highlight the word puff. For the bridge was gone in a puff. @@Milla1997

or...ya know...nothing...cause ...Accidents happen... dont have to have someone/something to blame for everything (and those people that think that do not deserve to judge anyone)

Yup! I feel the same way.

Crew Reported loss of Propulsion Minutes before impact, This was Purely accidental in every way possible.

The tugs released the ship a while before the accident under its own power, The ship lost complete power twice a few minutes before the accident, they also used their backup battery power to drop the starboard anchor but not the port (possible jam or not enough power) and sent out a mayday call ASAP which let the crews stop more traffic getting on the bridge a few minutes before. Purely an Accident.

Enolagay The ship deployed its anchors, why are you such a liar?

U.S. exports to Asia, things produced by U.S. workers and companies that are being sold to the rest of the world. Sri Lanka is just a regional port where containers get unloaded, sorted and reloaded on ships to final destinations.

Electrical explosions

8knts, 12mph, well below speed limit (video was speed up), it veered right because the crew managed to drop the Starboard anchor minutes before hand, but a complete loss of power meant they couldnt slowdown any further.

@@Jyoumon- even slower than that. If they were right at 8 kts that’s a little over 9 mph (~9 1/4). For perspective try driving a block in your car at 10 mph - even runners in the marathon run half again as fast (12-13 mph).

This is the Patapsco River, so there is some current. And it probably was an ebbing tide, so the water would be moving seaward. And you need motion through the water for the rudder to have any steering effect. So motion relative to a fixed point like a bridge is more than speed through the water.

@@gomerromer7708 - not really. People not from the area may confuse the might Patapsco River with the Colorado, Niagara, and Mississippi Rivers; but there isn't a lot of white-water rafting going on in Lansdowne... For those not from the area, this isn't really the Mighty Patapsco River; the Patapsco is a small river that drains into the harbor a couple of miles up from the Francis Scott Key Bridge up near the Inner Harbor. Most of it is considered unnavigable, i.e. only very small boats can even travel on it. Part of the confusion is that while the Mighty Patapsco is one of a couple of small rivers that drain into the Chesapeake Bay near Baltimore; because it's the farthest up from the Bay, and the closest to the city center itself, technically it gives its name to the entire harbor area of Baltimore, but the reality is that the river itself is small and distant from the bridge and has a negligible effect, if any, on the currents out by the Key Bridge. And while the tide was indeed going out, kinda, the collision happened less than an hour from dead low tide and/or slack water; that, along with the small tidal range at the Key Bridge (about one foot), the tidal currents likely had little or no effect.

Right! All these so called "accidents" happening all the time? Just happening by chance? I DON'T THINK SO.

Accidents of this magnitude DO happen. The ship was operating fine before it was released by the tugs, afterwards it lost power, Twice, which meant full loss of propulsion, they did try and drop the anchors but only the starboard activated and veered the ship right, also sending out a Distress call (mayday mayday) the minute they got battery power back saved quite a few lives.

You seem eager to find a conspiracy for some reason. The most likely underlying cause was either a faulty part or poor maintenance practices.

@@joshuajones7210The reason you see more "accidents" is because we are at the end of the capitalism line, we have made all the money but had nothing put back into infrastructure or maintainence for so long that large accidents are becoming impossible to avoid because everyone uses the "cant afford to fix that for now, just patch it up best you can, well fix it one day" mindset.

So how fast do you think that something like this gets sorted out? And you are wrong, accidents of this magnitude often do happen without anyone knowing about it. There may well be a cause that includes negligence but that isn't obvious instantaneously. What do you actually do for a living that you have these fantasies about real life.

Actually, they will correctly blame the infrastructure bill that he couldn't get his act together to negotiate.

@@MyFiddlePlayerOk Dummy, explain how the infrastructure bill would have stopped a 150,000 ton ship from destroying a bridge.

Politics do not belong in this conversation.

Look at you only relying o one source for your speculation. It didn't speed up and it did drop one anchor in an attempt to stop

The crew issued a Mayday call that they lost propulsion, which enabled authorities to close the bridge quickly, thus preventing further loss of lives. Why would they bother to issue a Mayday call to if it were a terrorist attack, it that's what you were thinking.

Loss of propulsion and dropped starboard anchor at the last minute trying to stop, but they were already going 8knts(12mph) at that time. 100,000 tons does not stop quickly.

It's 100,000 tons without cargo, closer To 175000 loaded

Where did you get that data? The ratio of cargo to ship you cite is out of kilter. It is registered as having a cargo capacity of 96,000+ metric tons

Democrat attack

​@@domtorres6120 what's the difference?

If it were an attack, they won't be issuing a Mayday call to let authorities know, duh.

Accident, Loss of power at the worst time possible.

Actually the ship was released by tugs under its own power, the Bridge was in decent condition, the Ship had a Complete power failure Twice minutes before impact, On battery power they were able to drop one anchor (the right side making it jerk right) and issue a Mayday call to the coast guard letting the crews near the start of the bridge on both ends stop most traffic through. Purely Accidental

So you think the Chinese were building bridges in the U.S. in 1970? Just how big was the bus you rode to school in?

Hi racism is easy and shows a preprogrammed response

Your a special type of ignorant

Not the place for Dark humor buddy

So you are a member of a cult that worships ignorance, huh?

@@HuplesCatSo does self-righteousness and naïveté, my friend. PS Islam is a religion, not a race.

There was a Baltimore pilot on the bridge. There are very few ports in the world where tugs accompany ships after they are moved out into a channel. San Francisco and Vancouver require tugs on tankers and some other ships, but generally once a ship is away from where it was tied up, out in the channel and point toward the sea, ther are no tugs around.

@@gomerromer7708 Not an engineer or pilot but seems if obviously there was insufficient dolphins and fenders to protect bridge structure why was such a large vessel not escorted by tugs?

They were an All Indian crew onboard, and probably spoke english exceptionally well.

They were from India and so the officer on the bridge probably spoke far better English than you do. And it had a Baltimore harbor pilot on the bridge.