Banked Turns - A Level Physics

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DrPhysicsA

DrPhysicsA

11 жыл бұрын

Building on Circular Motion and Friction to show how an inclined (banked) turn can increase the maximum safe velocity of the turn

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@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 11 жыл бұрын
I first show that you dont actually need a frictional force to go round a banked turn. But there will of course usually be a frictional force. The direction will depend on whether you are travelling faster or slower than the velocity calculated for the non-friction option. If faster, then friction acts inwards to stop you flying off the top fo the bank. If slower, then friction acts outwards to stop you sliding down the bank. Friction doesnt balance the centripetal force. It contributes to it.
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for feedback. I am trying out the whiteboard on several of the vids on Quantum Mechanics. The advantages from my perspective are that I can get more info on the board at the same time (eg the force diagrams while I am doing the equations, and with larger writing my writing is likely to be marginally more readable! But I'll take stock once I've had more feedback.
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. As I say below, I am trying it out the see if it helps better to present the information.
@shanaelyndell08
@shanaelyndell08 9 жыл бұрын
This was extremely helpful and encouraging to me! I am so happy I finally understand the basic physics of banked turns and I look forward to using my new skills on my upcoming physics 1 test!
@professorAP
@professorAP 7 жыл бұрын
Dr physics A your videos are always really very helpful to grasp the whole knowledge at once and are also useful for making notes.
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 11 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me the time on the video where this arises?
@louismanestar8232
@louismanestar8232 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! You're brilliant at explaining everything :)
@benderofbo
@benderofbo 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! this was super helpful!
@taki5baj
@taki5baj 6 жыл бұрын
Amaizing explonation! Thanks for this video, i can use all of this information in my game :)
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 11 жыл бұрын
Ignoring friction there are only 2 forces. mg acts down. N acts perpendicular to the surface and in the up direction. You resolve N into vertical and horizontal components. The vertical component is N cos theta. That must equal mg.
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 11 жыл бұрын
The frictional force inwards provides the centripetal force.
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 11 жыл бұрын
Delighted to hear that all students need to learn this material. In England, A levels are exams taken by students aged 17-18 just before they go to university. Students usually choose 3 or 4 A level subjects.
@sandhyashourie8731
@sandhyashourie8731 6 жыл бұрын
You need to learn all this in India too .well if preparing for competitive examinations just before going to university .I SUGGEST YOU TO CHECK THE LEVEL OF PHYSICS IN JEE ADVANCED IN INDIA .
@mohddanialbinazman1270
@mohddanialbinazman1270 4 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot Dr!!!!! now I can continue my pbl project easily
@tarb92
@tarb92 8 жыл бұрын
a refreshingly cheerful voice!
@yabi1384
@yabi1384 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome videos drphysivsA just awesome I am not studying this at school but i became addicted watching your videos , thanks (Y)
@QUITEthegamer
@QUITEthegamer 8 жыл бұрын
thanks you...you explain so well
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 11 жыл бұрын
Not ignoring as such. The first calculation shows that if the surface were frictionless (sheet ice) then we could still travel around at velocity v. Faster, and you fly off. Slower and you slide down. But if the road had a frictional force, then that force would allow v to increase or decrease by a certain amount before you shoot off the top or slide down the bank.
@crazygamers8994
@crazygamers8994 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very beautiful explanation
@muhammadahmed6038
@muhammadahmed6038 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for unquestionable courtesy
@Plague2102
@Plague2102 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, helped a lot
@Verschlimmbesserung
@Verschlimmbesserung 5 жыл бұрын
Very good presentation. Cheers
@allenbocian6907
@allenbocian6907 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks man.
@Elios0000
@Elios0000 11 жыл бұрын
oh and i would like to add wile there is little to no friction there are side forces on the aircraft from the fuselage and more so the vertical stabilize and feeding in opposite rudder (ie bank to the left one would add right rudder) at high theta can help to hold that bank angle also the amount of elevator has an effect on all this too and if you REALLY want to confuse people the rudder input induces a rolling moment opposite the direction of input
@Elios0000
@Elios0000 11 жыл бұрын
your description of lift is more then good enough for 99% of things most of the lift is from the AoA any way very little comes from the pressure change :D btw have you ever looked in to the physics of rotary wing fight all kinds of stuff going on with a heli helis are flying physics lessons lol would love to see you do some videos on flight in general
@harsha3087
@harsha3087 11 жыл бұрын
I like the paper method too ...I think its better tht way .... And thnks for the video again
@ramansb1213
@ramansb1213 11 жыл бұрын
I like this new whiteboard approach, it's something new!!
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 10 жыл бұрын
The V^2 term comes out of the calculation which is shown on the screen. It originated in the centripetal force component m v^2/r
@brendawilliams8062
@brendawilliams8062 2 жыл бұрын
Is the lowest number 3123237195 divided by 3. To 375
@reubenwilliammpembe667
@reubenwilliammpembe667 6 жыл бұрын
Thank You so much Sir #Respect
@airborne.odyssey
@airborne.odyssey 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I get it now! :)
@adielgranados391
@adielgranados391 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@tharushikasandani6782
@tharushikasandani6782 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you...so much
@1stPrivateAccount
@1stPrivateAccount 7 жыл бұрын
Most useful video on this subject I have found
@brendawilliams8062
@brendawilliams8062 2 жыл бұрын
Now I would like to see this an event horizon.
@brendawilliams8062
@brendawilliams8062 2 жыл бұрын
I like the explanation very well thx.
@salehq2
@salehq2 8 жыл бұрын
Suppose the speed is zero then the car will not slid down unless the mgsin(theta) greater than fsmax. This means that the min speed is zero. So you should assume that mgsin(theta)is less than fsmax.
@raveeno
@raveeno 7 жыл бұрын
sir why centripetal acceleration doesn't act along the wedge i.e without the component of friction. the centre is radially inside the circle not horizontal so centripetal force should act radially towards the centre?
@semirumutkurt6635
@semirumutkurt6635 9 жыл бұрын
adamin dibisin, dibi
@merlinthegreat100
@merlinthegreat100 8 жыл бұрын
Does A level cover analytical mechanics? In the US AP Physics C which is calculus based physics only covers calculus based physics with distance as the integral and instantaneous velocity or acceleration as a derivative as well as applying calculus to electricity and magnetism and many more things, but it does not cover Lagrangian nor Hamiltonian mechanics.
@garethm3171
@garethm3171 9 жыл бұрын
Can I ask why you quote the velocity V as V squared and not as SQR(R x g x tan theta)? You don't seem to take the square roots at the end of each derivation of velocity v in order to get the final velocity.
@Alex_Khouri
@Alex_Khouri 9 жыл бұрын
Hey, I've got a question about the last part, where you were talking about the 3 components that the pilot can control in order to turn. With the equation, you stated that 'v' can be decreased in order to reduce 'r'. In other words, the pilot can decrease his speed in order to turn tighter. This makes sense in the equation, but isn't it practically incorrect because by decreasing his speed, the pilot also decreases his lift component (due to less air passing over the wings)? Or would this be represented by 'g' no longer being the correct constant (as he wouldn't have enough lift to stay in the air)? Either way, I still don't see how that equation alone can account for change in turn. I think it's the same one that you used for the car, so maybe it doesn't totally work because the 'lift' component for the car isn't affected by its velocity. Is that right? Sorry if that sounds confusing at all. Thanks HEAPS for posting these videos; I've learned a lot from them, and was using this for revision as I'm hoping to start a music/science conjoint degree this year :)
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 9 жыл бұрын
As my annotation a little earlier points out, this is a simple explanation and things in practice are inevitably more complicated. But for A Level, I suspect this is all you'll need.
@Alex_Khouri
@Alex_Khouri 9 жыл бұрын
DrPhysicsA Ok cool. Thanks :)
@HassanAhmed-eo3nk
@HassanAhmed-eo3nk 6 жыл бұрын
Could someone help me with an issue which I believe could be a simple answer, but still confuses me. Why is the vertical Cosine theta and why is the horizontal sine theta? What am I looking for in those two right-angled triangles that tells me to use them trig functions? Thank you
@GabrielSavageMusic
@GabrielSavageMusic 6 жыл бұрын
on a flat, horizontal surface, the direction (vector) of gravity on a mass is downwards, or think of it as inwards, towards the center of the earth. When there's no incline, there's no horizontal component, or..as you could say, the horizontal component is zero. One natural way of viewing such a system would be on the unit circle; at what angle is the sin negative and the cosine zero? The sin(3π/2) = -1 and the cos(3π/2) = 0, it also just so happens that the angle sum trig identities tell us that cos(3π/2+θ) = sinθ and sin(3π/2+θ) = -cosθ from this we can find that ||mg||*cos(3π/2+θ)*i + ||mg||*sin(3π/2+θ)*j = ||mg||*sinθ*i - ||mg||*cosθ*j notice what happens, on both sides of the equality sign, when you set the angle θ = zero; ||mg||*cos(3π/2+0)*i + ||mg||*sin(3π/2+0)*j = ||mg||*sin(0)*i - ||mg||*cos(0)*j ||mg||*cos(3π/2)*i + ||mg||*sin(3π/2)*j = ||mg||*(sin0)*i - ||mg||*(cos0)*j ||mg||*0*i + ||mg||*(-1)*j = ||mg||*0*i - ||mg||*(1)*j :. ||mg||*(-1)*j = -||mg||*j hope that gives you enough to mess around with it a bit! :)
@Invaderzerg
@Invaderzerg 11 жыл бұрын
sorry for nagging, but the wing does not redirect airflow downwards for lift, it is the pressure difference that causes the upward force on a wing. pressure difference comes from airflow travelling faster via top of the wing compared to the bottom of the wing.
@airborne.odyssey
@airborne.odyssey 11 жыл бұрын
If the car is travelling on a flat surface, it can move along a curved path because of friction. And so, where does the centripetal force apply in this scenario?
@olivergriffiths3585
@olivergriffiths3585 9 жыл бұрын
Hiya, could you substitute m=Nµ/g instead of the more complicated trig function?
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
No, because you first must derive why m is equal to all of that.
@Son96601
@Son96601 11 жыл бұрын
do what ever you think is best. you know what your doing
@airborne.odyssey
@airborne.odyssey 11 жыл бұрын
Is there a frictional force acting between the tyres and the banked road? If so, the frictional force is acting upwards to the banked road, right? And if we resolve the frictional force into horizontal component, wouldn't it balance the centripetal force which is acting onto the left side of the horizontal whilst the frictional force is acting to the right side of the horizontal. I've been going through this for 2 hours and I'm still confused. Hope that you can help me out :)
@RuadhanG
@RuadhanG 10 жыл бұрын
Kenny chong I know its a bit late but it does but only until the maximum frictional force is reached.
@AerioOFFICIAL
@AerioOFFICIAL 10 жыл бұрын
You are fantastic! But I wanted to know this: that when the car's v=0 and if bank is small enough, will the car still slide inwards? If so what would the answer be in the minimum velocity equation?
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 10 жыл бұрын
If the velocity is zero, then it will simply depend on whether the frictional forces are sufficient to stop the car from sliding down the bank.
@AerioOFFICIAL
@AerioOFFICIAL 10 жыл бұрын
DrPhysicsA Ok great!
@ahamedakmal7104
@ahamedakmal7104 7 жыл бұрын
at 7:39 how is that the radius is small if curve is less bending (shouldnt the circle be bigger if curve is less bending )
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
He used the word curvature, rather than radius. Curvature is by definition equal to the reciprocal of the radius of curvature. A tight curve with a small radius has a lot of curvature. A large circle has a large radius and very little curvature.
@Frogcleaner
@Frogcleaner 11 жыл бұрын
it may look the same but it isnt. it leads to wiping out an replacing stuff while prgressing on and that in my opinion makes it less comprehendable, espacially if u r just looking for a particular formula and not watching the whole video. in addition usually the blackboard gets quite crowded after some time and so stuff gets put left or right on free space, pen and paper on the other hand provides a linear, easy to jump to "timeline" of things in proper order and completly written out formulas.
@sherazkhan2802
@sherazkhan2802 7 жыл бұрын
How do you come up with the angles as you did at 10:02 . I am not getting it , why you put the theta there??? It's really confusing for me .... please help!!!
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 7 жыл бұрын
This is all geometry. Look at the right angles triangles. If one angle is theta the other is 90- theta (and the third is by definition a right angle).
@sherazkhan2802
@sherazkhan2802 7 жыл бұрын
DrPhysicsA Yes , I know that the sum of all the the angles of a triangle is 180 . The thing is that which angle should I take theta and which one 90-theta?
@lindsaywaterman2010
@lindsaywaterman2010 3 жыл бұрын
If there was sheet ice on a banked curve, the vehicle would not move tangential to the circle. There need to be friction to cause forward motion. The banked curve supply only a centripetal force.
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
The forward motion would've been caused by the car's existing speed, that it developed in a part of the road where there wasn't sheet ice. The vehicle would move tangent to the circle, if all of a sudden it encountered sheet ice while attempting to travel around an unbanked curve. The banked curve doesn't only supply the centripetal force, it also supplies the vertical component of the normal force that keeps it from vertically accelerating.
@manoulambatsogo7129
@manoulambatsogo7129 4 жыл бұрын
Very lntresting
@stervi2
@stervi2 11 жыл бұрын
If you resolve the forces perpendicular to the plane ignoring the components of N, surely N should equal mg cos theta? But also I understand why it equals mg/cos theta when resolving vertically using the components of N. Confused!
@lolzomgz1337
@lolzomgz1337 8 жыл бұрын
How do I work out the minimum velocity required to stop me from slipping down the slope? Do I just get frictions to work up the slope?
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 8 жыл бұрын
+lolzomgz1337 You use the formulae in this video which balances the force which would cause the car to slide down the slope and the force which would cause it to go over the top.
@lolzomgz1337
@lolzomgz1337 8 жыл бұрын
DrPhysicsA Yeah, thanks. What was messing me up is that we don't consider a component of the weight down the slope for some reason...
@rwasta7007
@rwasta7007 8 жыл бұрын
im confused. the way i would do it is tilting the plane theta(@) degrees then i would say mg.cos@ = N and mg.sin@ = mv2/r the reason why i would do that is because i thought the centripetal force had to come on an angle @ not simply to the right. if you are oscillating at an angle wouldnt make sense that the force would also be at that angle?
@D8Football
@D8Football 5 жыл бұрын
Why can the vertical component of the Normal force balance out gravity entirely in the first place? Is it because of momentum?
@benvehikite
@benvehikite 5 жыл бұрын
Newtons Law of equal and opposite forces
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
The normal force will be AS LARGE AS NECESSARY to prevent the car from sinking through the asphalt. It is a constraint force. Its purpose is to repel two objects apart once they are in contact, and stop them from passing through each other.
@mahmoudm451
@mahmoudm451 7 жыл бұрын
at 10:02, N must equal mgcos(theta), why did you resolve it as Ncos(theta)? wouldn't that mean mgcos(theta)*cos(theta)?
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 7 жыл бұрын
Just resolving the vertical and horizontal components of N.
@sumaranjani6313
@sumaranjani6313 6 жыл бұрын
How can we Resolve N
@matthewmulvanny9788
@matthewmulvanny9788 9 жыл бұрын
When the mass at 21:20 slides down the ramp, surely there must be a vertical resultant force as well as the horizontal centripetal force? I don't understand when you say vertical forces balance, surely they can't if the mass is gradually travelling down a ramp?
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 9 жыл бұрын
That's right. The forces won't balance if the vehicle slides. I am talking about stability where the vehicle drives round the ramp without either shooting off the top or sliding down.
@matthewmulvanny9788
@matthewmulvanny9788 9 жыл бұрын
Oh now I see, thanks a lot these videos are really helpful :)
@juneidmosaheb3843
@juneidmosaheb3843 9 жыл бұрын
You say:"and if there is to be no friction" (12:45) . But how can there be no friction because thats how the car moves forward, right?
@ibnulhasan3396
@ibnulhasan3396 7 жыл бұрын
what is meu here???
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 7 жыл бұрын
Coefficient of friction.
@wappyymann
@wappyymann 7 жыл бұрын
so how can i find the angle of the banking if i have the speed and there radius
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 7 жыл бұрын
Use the formulae at 11:25 and solve for theta.
@mahmoudm451
@mahmoudm451 7 жыл бұрын
v^2=g*r*tan(θ).. you have the velocity and the radius and g=9.81, plug it in and find the angle. If I'm not wrong, and if what I understood from the video is correct, that question should be a frictionless banked turn.
@airborne.odyssey
@airborne.odyssey 11 жыл бұрын
So, does it mean that we're actually ignoring the frictional force in this scenario since that we're focusing solely on the centripetal force?
@sea5205
@sea5205 4 жыл бұрын
Kenny Chong the frictional force provides the centripetal force...
@maxaug88
@maxaug88 9 жыл бұрын
Please explain why the theta is the same Between the bank of the ground and normal force and the normal force y component. I know it's a geometry law I'm missing.
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 9 жыл бұрын
Max Hollander At what time in video does this arise?
@maxaug88
@maxaug88 9 жыл бұрын
10:10
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 9 жыл бұрын
Max Hollander Basic geometry. Try drawing a line parallel to the ground through the point at which the Normal meets the incline.
@randysavage1011
@randysavage1011 9 жыл бұрын
How do you turn in outer space?
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 9 жыл бұрын
You fire an engine which pushes out exhaust gas in one direction and you go in the opposite direction (conservation of momentum).
@killpoe
@killpoe 6 жыл бұрын
(In the friction version) If you set the forces in x and y to both equal 0, set them equal to each other, and solve for v, why doesn't it work out the same way? Mathematically it seems correct, but I always get the wrong answer. HALP!
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
Forces shouldn't add up to zero, if an object is accelerating. They should add up to m*a. In the vertical direction, the forces should add up to zero, because all acceleration is horizontal in this example. In the horizontal direction, forces should add up to mass*acceleration, which in this case is centripetal acceleration, equal to v^2/r. Vertical force addition gives us: N*cos(theta) - F*sin(theta) - m*g = 0 N*cos(theta) is the vertical component of the normal force. Cosine applies here, because when theta = 0, the normal force is vertical, and the trig term would equal 1. F*sin(theta) is the traction force holdiing the car on the road, and the vertical component of it. Sine applies here, because there would be zero vertical component of this force when theta = 0, and the trig term should also be zero. Horizontal force addition gives us: N*sin(theta) + F*cos(theta) = m*v^2/r The opposite trig terms apply in this case. When theta = 0, normal force doesn't act horizontally at all, and traction is the only force enabling the car to steer. Two equations, two unknowns (F & N). Now it's just algebra to isolate one of the unknowns, and combine it with the other equation.
@jjay11a
@jjay11a 10 жыл бұрын
In problem 11:57 how come you didn't pick the Centripetal Force to be the X component of Force of gravity. Fc=Fgx; (mv^2)/r=mg*sin(theta)
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 10 жыл бұрын
There is no x component of the force of gravity. Gravity is wholly in the y (down) direction.
@jjay11a
@jjay11a 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I figured that out after doing a few of these. Thanks for posting these, they are very lucid!
@MrAdy0207
@MrAdy0207 9 жыл бұрын
Did you run out of those blue pens ?
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 9 жыл бұрын
MrAdy0207 No. I've still got loads. Just wanted to see whether a white board presentation would be any better.
@EagleLogic
@EagleLogic 7 жыл бұрын
I always thought you lectured on white paper using a marker, but I stand corrected 17:19 lol
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 7 жыл бұрын
Sometimes a white board. Sometimes A3 paper and pen.
@EagleLogic
@EagleLogic 7 жыл бұрын
DrPhysicsA Sir, your videos have been extremely helpful this semester for me! Thank you so much!
@AggronXXL
@AggronXXL 11 жыл бұрын
Why is the velocity shown here v^2 instead of v ?
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
This is why: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/irSIYL1nvbiXl3U.html
@Naabenstadt
@Naabenstadt 11 жыл бұрын
Gi preferred the paper version, less changes in lighting. But it's all good!
@NotLegato
@NotLegato 7 жыл бұрын
wait, this is impossible. Ncostheta can not be equal to mg. the normal force is already smaller than mg, and the cosine of theta times that smaller force is even smaller. it is legitimately impossible for them to equal each other. i don't understand.
@Kk-hh3bt
@Kk-hh3bt 7 жыл бұрын
Not Legato I think I can maybe help? My understanding of this topic is quite broken but I believe that the normal force is actually greater than the force of its weight, this is because the vertical component of the normal force MUST be equal to the weight so that the car stays at the same vertical height, but then the horizontal component of the normal force is the reason that the car is pulled towards the centre of the circle (the centripetal force)
@Frogcleaner
@Frogcleaner 11 жыл бұрын
great video as always. but i don´t like the black(white)board style to be honest. i prefer pen and paper, :)
@dickiefinehuman5269
@dickiefinehuman5269 6 жыл бұрын
Sheet ice!
@salehq2
@salehq2 8 жыл бұрын
In my comment earlier, I should correct the last sentence to"So you should to assume that mgsin(theta) greater than mu mgcos(theta) or tan(theta) greater than mu" Also if tan(theta) less than mu the car will not slide down even if it at rest.
@Golusingh-qn8qy
@Golusingh-qn8qy 5 жыл бұрын
good
@muhammadsaimiqbal1551
@muhammadsaimiqbal1551 3 жыл бұрын
how come Ncos(theta) is equal to mg when N=mgcos(theta)
@ismatarabilkis2346
@ismatarabilkis2346 3 жыл бұрын
The surface was horizontal. So cos(0)=1 so n=(mg)(1)=mg
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
N isn't always equal to the same function of m, g, and theta. It depends on the specifics of the problem. N is a constraint force that will be as large as necessary to prevent an object from penetrating the surface.
@rohangaglani
@rohangaglani 9 жыл бұрын
On an inclined plane, isn't N= mg cos(theta) ?
@WaddiaS
@WaddiaS 8 жыл бұрын
Indeed it's N=mgcostheta vertically woth respect to inclined plane. But taking forces vertically in y-axis irrespecitive of the inclined plane, we see that Ncostheta = mg.
@WaddiaS
@WaddiaS 8 жыл бұрын
*with *irrespective Never mind.
@swearTV
@swearTV 7 жыл бұрын
but if that were true, the y component of the mg with respect to the slope would have to equal mg/cos(theta) to balance out the normal force(they must be balanced or else the object on the slope would rise off the slope). This cant be true because a component of the gravitational force can't be greater than the gravitational force itself. mg
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 7 жыл бұрын
We must remember that this is a banked turn not just an object on an inclined plane. So the object is moving and the normal force is therefore a combination of the gravitational force and the centripetal force. Consider for example a motorcyclist who rides round the so called wall of death at a funfair. The walls are almost vertical and the motorcyclist rides round at sufficient speed that he doesn't fall off. The gravitational component of the normal in this case is almost zero. So what normal force is acting on the wall. It is the component of the centripetal force.
@swearTV
@swearTV 7 жыл бұрын
DrPhysicsA But how is this possible in a frictionless banked curve scenario where the centripetal force is due to the normal force, which is also due to gravity. If gravity is the force responsible for everything, it doesn't make sense for the normal force component to be greater than gravities component because the centripetal force is caused by Fn due to gravity. I could understand where the extra leverage would be coming from if there was an external force such as friction or tension acting upon the object towards the center.
@lawliet2263
@lawliet2263 Жыл бұрын
An English man always saves the apple
@kjezier
@kjezier 10 жыл бұрын
Hi I don't understand why Ncos = mg , because i got used to N = mgcos where is mistake ? (i mean when we are making cases about work and pushing the objects up the incline we are saying that N=mgcos) Best KJ
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 10 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me where on the video this arises so I can check it?
@kjezier
@kjezier 10 жыл бұрын
DrPhysicsA it is not on this video , symply when we are deriving Ff (uN) we are saying that Normal force is the component of mg perpendicular to the inclain and i was trying to substitute the N by that and i got confused
@DeanK1905
@DeanK1905 10 жыл бұрын
This may be a late reply but I think you're resolving perpendicular and parallel to the plane whereas as he is resolving vertically ad horizontally
@Son96601
@Son96601 11 жыл бұрын
what difference does it make it looks the same. wtf
@randomdude79404
@randomdude79404 10 жыл бұрын
At 13:50
@alimoazzam11
@alimoazzam11 8 жыл бұрын
Sir, why can't we let mg cos theta = N rather than N cos theta = mg ?? this appears to be a contradiction and I'm confused. this occurs at 11 minutes into the video
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 8 жыл бұрын
+Ali Moazzam I see your point. I think you have missed that mg cos theta does not equal N. We say that N cos theta = mg in the vertical direction because there is no vertical movement. therefore the forces are equal. But if you resolve mg along the N direction the forces are not equal because a part of the N force is providing the centripetal acceleration.
@qualquan
@qualquan 8 жыл бұрын
+DrPhysicsA But if N cos theta = mg then mg /cos theta = N which means N is greater than mg. And as theta increases N remains constant while mg shrivels to practically zero? On the other hand when we measure static friction using a slope we always use Fn (or N) = mg cos theta meaning mg is always greater than Fn (or N) which makes more sense than N greater than mg. So I have the same problem as Ali Moazzam.
@qualquan
@qualquan 8 жыл бұрын
+Ali Moazzam I agree. If N cos theta = mg then mg /cos theta = N which means N is greater than mg. And as theta increases N remains constant while mg shrivels to practically zero? On the other hand when we measure static friction using a slope we always use Fn (or N) = mg cos theta meaning mg is always greater than Fn (or N) which makes more sense than N greater than mg. So I have the same problem as you are having. There has to be an explanation but it is eluding me at this time. I don't like N being greater than mg. It should always be the reverse.
@qualquan
@qualquan 8 жыл бұрын
+Ali Moazzam Like you I was initially puzzled myself but I think I know the answer. When measuring Us with object (mass) on slope it should be noted that the mass is at rest so the Fn is derived from mg = mg cos theta i.e Fn is LESS than mg. However when finding V on Banked turns the object (mass) is not at rest but has a velocity = V. Now the Fn is not derived from just mg. Here Fn = V^2/r sin theta and is greater than mg. So the two Fns are quite DIFFERENT. One when mass on slope is at rest and the other where it has a velocity = V. It has nothing to do with different coordinate systems or axii as is often claimed.
@alimoazzam11
@alimoazzam11 8 жыл бұрын
+qualquan Thank you for the help
@sumaranjani6313
@sumaranjani6313 6 жыл бұрын
N is equal to mgcostheta
@wr2382
@wr2382 5 жыл бұрын
N = mg costheta is only true if there is no acceleration. The normal force is determined by the method described in the video when there is acceleration.
@aetherx2519
@aetherx2519 9 жыл бұрын
11:55 Waiiiiit. How can N cos theta be equal to mg, if the normal force N is equal to mg?
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 9 жыл бұрын
In this case it isn't because the object is on an inclined plane. There is a normal force which is perpendicular to the plane but it does not equal the weight of the block.
@aetherx2519
@aetherx2519 9 жыл бұрын
DrPhysicsA Right. Thanks. I need to review normal forces
@Alex_Khouri
@Alex_Khouri 9 жыл бұрын
DrPhysicsA Am I right in saying that it's because, in the initial situation (where you state N = mg), there's no incline, so θ = 0. But cos 0 = 1. Therefore, 'N.cos θ = mg' is actually always applicable, as cos 0 = 1, so N.cos θ = N, when θ = 0. Is that correct?
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 9 жыл бұрын
Alex Khouri If θ = 0, then the ground is flat and so the normal force will be perpendicular to the surface (as usual) but in this case it will be wholly in the vertical direction. So N =mg as you say.
@readg5241
@readg5241 10 жыл бұрын
I don't really get why is m cancelled at 11:52.
@DrPhysicsA
@DrPhysicsA 10 жыл бұрын
Basically, we are saying that the horizontal component of the normal force is providing the centripetal force. since the mass term m appears on both sides of the equation we can cancel it.
@Pilot_engineer_19
@Pilot_engineer_19 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there. I noticed that there maybe an error on explanation of the banked turn of the aircraft in the video. Some where when you said that the air was forcing down. Airplane wings develop lift by lowering the pressure on top of the wing. The air pressure pushes the wing up. In a bank turn there's a pressure differential between wings causing the turn. Reference: internet explaining of thing.
@oliverb1679
@oliverb1679 8 жыл бұрын
You did a mistake by resolving forces at 9:50 N = mgcos(a) u said Ncos(a) =mg which is not correct ur mistake is where u have made the right angle and u put the right angle on the wrong spot and got the wrong triangle to resolve forces. Pls correct that mistake as others will believe what u are saying
@mr.pieced6766
@mr.pieced6766 7 жыл бұрын
Please delete this comment,People will believe what you are saying. Jk you're not clear on the concepts.Both ways are correct. I know this is 7 months old but leaving this here for other people.
@garethm3171
@garethm3171 10 жыл бұрын
Can I ask why you quote the velocity V as V squared and not as SQR(R x g x tan theta)? You don't seem to take the square roots at the end of each derivation of velocity v in order to get the final velocity.
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