Bargue Lesson 10 - Pushing Out

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7 жыл бұрын

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@michaelhart969 10 ай бұрын

Not saying your a bad teacher because I like the way you explain everything concisely and I’m enjoying these lessons so thank you

@everettwhite9874 4 жыл бұрын

Your responses to viewer questions are impressive. I appreciate your honest, constructive, instructive, and tactful manner by which you explain your teaching method. I’m learning a lot from your videos. Thanks so much for sharing them.

@thedavinciinitiative5045 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@bayroninter9396 4 жыл бұрын

I"m frome Guatemala and this are the best lessons I"ve had ever taken, thank you beautiful.

@tyroneperry5008 Жыл бұрын

Could you do a demo of how you use it in a portrait drawing?

@AristograntusMCMLXXX 7 жыл бұрын

Where do you get your Bargue Plates may I ask. I want to buy the book yet I see your plate is larger format? Thank you.

@thedavinciinitiative5045 7 жыл бұрын

I used a plate from the Bargue book and enlarged it on a photocopy machine. I strongly recommend getting the book, it's a wonderful resource!

@AristograntusMCMLXXX 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your answer! Im getting the book for sure :D Love your videos.

@Oscar-zc7xs 7 жыл бұрын

Hi Amandy thank you for posting this. In my atelier teachers encourages us to use sight-size even for the plates. This take us a lot instead of your more quick measuring method (kind of triangular method?) for the plates. I see yours would be as accurate as sight-size, but they say sight-size is the method intended also for the plates. What do you think?

@thedavinciinitiative5045 7 жыл бұрын

Hello! So I am actually drawing this plate in what my best understanding of the sight-size method is based on my atelier training, meaning that my drawing is the exact same size as the plate that I am copying. I know that many atelier instructors have a very specific definition of what sight size that may not match my working definition for the purposes of these videos. Measuring is also a contentious issue in the atelier world, with some instructors preferring that their students not measure and make best guesses using only their eyes. This is a perfectly legitimate way to draw a Bargue plate as well. In my experience, students who do not have the benefit of an atelier instructor to critique their work tend to have more success with the method I am sharing in these videos, which is why I chose it for this format.

@oliverwilliamson5769 7 жыл бұрын

Hi Amandy, thanks for the videos! If I were to use these for reference in a lesson, how much time would you say I should take to cover each section that you cover in 7 minutes or so in your videos? For instance if I was taking a 2 day (6 hours a day) how many of these sections do you think I could comfortably fit into each day? Considering I am not aiming for the full 40 hour drawing, but a slightly more basic introduction. (hope that makes sense) Thanks!!

@thedavinciinitiative5045 7 жыл бұрын

Hi Oliver, the first few lesson in particular would each take up about a 45 class period to teach and practice in a classroom. The rendering phase is harder to judge because some students pick it up much more quickly than others, but it is also the most time consuming part. If you blocked in the drawing without rendering in 2, 6-hour days that would be a decent pace. That being said, atelier instruction is intentionally very individualized to the student. In an atelier people work at their own pace until the drawing is done correctly, and that actual length of time varies greatly. The hardest part about teaching atelier skills is that everyone wants to rush ahead. If your notional space box is inaccurate, it is not possible to make an accurate drawing. Beginners never realize this, however, they just want to get to the next step like leveling up in a video game. It's so important that every step is accurate, even if there are only a dozen lines on your page.

@emilytappan2667 5 жыл бұрын

It seems like you are skipping a crucial step in what is the entire purpose of this kind of training, that is, training the eye to make those essential judgments in terms of optical measurements. By measuring the points and simply transferring them to your paper, you aren't making a GUESS first and then checking your work, and your eye isn't learning as much as it should and the main point of going through all of this is lost. Is there a reason you are doing it this way?

@thedavinciinitiative5045 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Emily, that is a great question. I agree that training the eye to see essential judgements in a purely optical way is important. However, I have found that this method is a good way to accelerate students' abilities to use their optical sense as it starts to get them thinking about a completely different way to observe. As they progress in their training, I encourage them to do master copies and Bargue Plates using comparative measuring, which forces the issue of making informed visual guesses. It's just that in the beginning, there is so much learning happening in addition to what is traditionally thought of as "drawing". They are learning how to set up a sight-size drawing, how to use charcoal, how to use a skewer to measure (which is definitely it's own skill that takes practice to learn!), AND how to think in a completely new visual way. I've found they are less overwhelmed and able to progress overall more quickly when this method is used as a stepping stone.