Yeah, I meant in the way that we get experience. It's nice if you need healing otherwise I tend to go fight. I just didn't say the whole thing because I'm just a bit distractable and forget what I'm saying in the middle of sentences. :P I mean if you do well in elite fights it is definitely worth it, but otherwise you can easily lose a big chunk of your army and it can be hard to come back. So extra xp or chance for item for your lord or something would be nice.

@@lazygrouseas undead you are going to lose massive chunks of your army in most battles. What I found is upgrading the units is usually better than getting a whole lot of new ones though getting a dragon and a siege engine of some kind is the best way to go. Also get the combat score banner for all of your undead units it helps a lot

@@hbsavage0387 I do tend to generally like to upgrade units, but I try to buy what I can early so they have time to level a bit and then focus on upgrading them in the shop later. The banner is pretty good I agree, the cursed and battle banners are great.

@@lazygrouse the cursed is a must and if you are playing things like undead hold off on buying stuff unless it’s an elite unit because they need those more than anything especially if you’re going to try and beat all 7 challenges with them I’ve had so many of my runs saved by mainly a unit of Dread Knights that mulch through countless units. Like it was my last unit and I was up against 8 or 9 other units. Skeleton Spears are the best among the three crap melee units which are Skeleton Spears, Skeleton Warriors, and Zombies. Wights are alright if they are a retinue but they lack the models and bulk necessary to do fantastically so crumbling is absolutely brutal and will pretty much mulch them. The Skeleton bows are the only ranged unit in the game I don’t use because they are just flat out bad. The Skeleton Catapult is also pretty bad but not to the same degree. Dire Wolves are just worse than Fell Bats in most regards. Dread Knights and Undead Knights are very good and you should almost always have a unit or two of these if you can. The Zombie Giant is alright if you can get his skill up and don’t get charged anywhere other than the front. Undead Dragon is just good like all dragons. Your Lords, Cav, and Dragon are the only fantastic things in the roster for the Undead. Most other things just are bad without heavy movement micro and checking exact charge distance and such and maneuvering to get side and rear charges otherwise you lose units far faster than anyone else and they will lose most engagements with the semi exception of the skeleton spears since they have so many attacks

@@hbsavage0387appreciate the detailed explanation! Played my first run with Undead after winning 3 in a row with humans, elves and dwarves, and lost on the act 2 boss. It helps knowing where I went wrong, like using my money on crap units.

I didn't know I said it in any particular way, but I'm glad you enjoy it.

Sounds good. I'll keep in mind to try that out in future runs. That makes sense, I haven't realized that it's always 3+ or 4+ until now, but that would explain it.

@@lazygrouseskill is the stat you should always go for when it pops up for melee or ranged units because it makes them both more long lived and harder hitting

I think you need double the skill for a 2+/5+ thingo. Or maybe more than double. So a 5 skill unit would hit a 2 skill unit on 2+. And it's nearly impossible to do it to a skill 3-4 unit. Ranged attacks are way more linear in to-hit progression, but usually can't give you the sorts of power/ defense/ +attack bonuses that melee troops can get with even just basic equipment and banners. Melee troops can be tailored more easily for the role you want them to fulfill. While ranged troops just shoot (but shooting is good).

@@sambojinbojin-sam6550 you’re right though it’s not super difficult to get your elite units stats up there also charge bonuses do effect the hit so the Dread Knights when charging usually have a 1 point better to hit

@@sambojinbojin-sam6550 According to the rules reference a 2+/6+ saving throw occurs when the difference between power and defense is more than 2, not double. 5+ just requires higher defense (even is 4+, or 50/50). Imho that makes a lot of sense as armor is rolled into the defense stat and defense can thus skyrocket pretty significantly.

I like it a lot so far, there are definitely potential for improvements and polish, but as is it's pretty great, especially like you say for a free game. That would be cool, I like both though, I don't think they can be compared since they are incredibly different.

They changed rear charges now? That makes so much sense. I was going crazy why there were no attacks on rear charge, because I know there have been fighting back on rear attacks before. I guess I should read patch notes.

That's awesome! Welcome to the channel, I got plenty of those so I hope you enjoy them! :)

I haven't played a lot but so far the dwarfs are definitely the easiest one I've played. I honestly had it easier with the vampires than the greenskins though, the greenskin leadership is rough so you just can't lose a combat round or they run.

Wight Guard rock. Beating the game with Undead was a breeze for me. A lot of my units would die every engagement, but some of them are just there to bog down elite units while you mop up with Knights. Putting Divine Protection on Wights made them almost unkillable.

I like it a lot, but this is right up my alley on the other hand. There is an episode 2 already. :)

That's a lot of shooting. Sounds sweet!

That is what it is called in steam though. Plus I kinda like it as SOVL.

That would be wonderfully flavourful, but I don't think it should be instead of gold, because if they are full health they don't have anything to pick.

​​@@lazygrouseunless it would maybe be a thing specifically for the necromancer hero

@@Jharug87 Well, they have the raise dead spell (2 charges) which resurrects 1d3 + 3 skeletons, skleleton archers and zombies (man I wish zombies had a resurrection bonus). Those units also have pretty strong base replenishment.

That would be nice. There are lots of little additions to combat like that that would make this game just a bit deeper.

I think a retreat charge reaction is planned. It's not quite what you're asking, but might scratch a similar itch. btw, I wish stand and shoot was a thing, though I fear it may be too powerful, as the unit would attack twice (once at range and once in melee).

@@scelonferdi shooting is already really good, that might make hybrid units like elf spears+ longbows or deep guard+ handguns a little too good. Maybe an option to shoot in response to a charge?

@@XDfunnyguy Oh sorry, stand and shoot is Warhammer for shooting as charge response.

@@scelonferdi ah, as someone that plays kill team and only occasionally watches 40k bat reps I thought that was overwatch

C is your own charge, I believe. V is enemy charge.

Ah, ok. Good to know.

Never heard of them

Seems that got changed in a recent patch. So you're not wrong, just late. :P

I think they could definitely use some monstrous units like crypt horrors or even some flying monsters like Vargheists as an elite version of bats.

If this existed when I was a kid and couldn't afford warhammer models, I would be ecstatic.

It is ridiculously addictive.

I know

The people will get more SOVL. It will be a while before we get difficulty 7 runs though, but we'll get there.