Cleaning can hurt.

Thanks, Yogi Bear, we are. Hope all is well with you and yours.

Funds for the craft not heating bills.

@PETER SWEET your the fuckwit by that comment alone . Why even reply if that's your attitude. Oh right " compensation "

@@joetobiness5171 ok boomer.

Clemson1978 good little caliber. but just get a 22-250 and be done with it.

Ive never really had first shot issues with my 308, but with my 22 lr I see it occasionally

I have mostly small calibers in .224 and a 204 which was the worst about it . I am in to bad a shape to shoot the big guns anymore . Haven't got enough guns to prove it but i think the smaller the caliber the more obvious the problem becomes .

tiputipu777 I think 22 lr is the exception and while I can’t prove it, seems to shoot better with a slightly dirty barrel.

ezgoeubanks fact all match shooters do not clean our rifles after break in other then between the season. My 300 winmag see about 300 shots, I do clean the carbon off my bolt.

Small groups are all about consistency. If the first shot is from a clean bbl the next shot is likely to be different. I catch myself striving for all the accuracy I can get and am disappointed if a gun or load is not very accurate but I dont know why. I hunt heavy woods and thickets and most or my shots are under 50 yds. I would not suffer one whit if my rifles all shot 3 in groups at 100 yds.

Leave the ice bag home and let the barrel cool on it’s own. Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of

@@kevinhyde6561, agree.

@@kevinhyde6561 agreed. I wonder what John Kreiger thinks of icing a barrel?? Cannot be good to cool it too fast. Million bucks says I'm not doing that to my barrels.

Kevin Hyde So would it be bad to shoot your rifle 3 to5 shot groups in below freezing weather?

@@JPsaysno You do whatever you want. I have the trophies and gold medals to prove it works for me....

Thank you for your comments. The head shooter at Remington recently shot many hundreds of rounds through a .308 without cleaning and accuracy actually improved until several thousand rounds were fired then accuracy fell off and a good cleaning was required. That was more rounds than nearly any deer hunter would shoot in the entire life of the gun. You and I are in the same camp.

Agree there is no special break in as vortex podcast had an excellent 10 min talk on it just a straight forward

Barrel break in is a total myth, almost peak Fuddlore. No one has ever shown it actually does anything. It sounds like a scam invented by companies to sell different types of bore cleaning chemicals 😂

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I'd say you're correct. If a barrel is good why would it need to be shot a bunch in order to shoot well? Not to mention that break in is basically physically impossible because a copper jacket can't abrade a heat treated steel barrel. What does verifiably abrade a barrel and change how it shoots is flame cutting at the throat of the chamber. Depending on the load/cartridge and your expectations barrel life for long range shooting may vary from a few thousand rounds to as low as 700 in certain cartridges. High pressure and steep shoulder angles are supposed to increase the effect of flame cutting. I don't know why someone would want to shorten the life of their barrels physical accuracy chasing imaginary increases to physical accuracy. It is most likely any perceived gain occurring from break in is due to muscle memory of the user and practice making them more accurate rather than the gun more accurate. I guess it's also possible in theory that copper fouling could fill in a rough barrel but in practice most usually that just makes them less accurate.

I bought a rem 7600 pump my friends all bought one all new i fired 3 rounds cleaned barrel ect repeat few times dont let it get too hot and my 7600 is the only half moa 3006 150 gr every one that didn’t break in have typical groups even so that the gunsmith offered me alot of money for it has it literally shoots on a dime

Likely not. Barrel steel is tough enough to survive that and much more. The real enemy of barrels is hot gas and heat. The 9 degree temperatures should have off set the heat.

Yes. Good luck. Thanks for watching.

Evan Harrison, email Randy at randyselby@randyscustomrifles.com with your question, please. Thanks for watching: Cathy: The Real Gunsmith's Wife

Clean it out really good, throw a light down the barrel to make sure there is no barrel obstructions, fire a 3 round group.....That's it man

Are you slow? You can not "re-break-in" anything. It does not matter of it is a barrel or an engine. You only get a short time to break in anything. Breaking-In just means a period of accelerated wear and tear or put another way it is the finish machining that should have been done before you bought the "insert mechanical object here". Copper Alloys which the bullets lead core is jacked in is softer than the steel the barrel is made from. So no amount of jacketed bullets can ever wear out or break-in a barrel. The hot gases and friction from the powder is what wears out a barrel. Think about it you can not cut granite with bronze tools and steel is much tougher, durable and harder than granite. Clean and oil your grandfathers rifle and that is all you can do. How many times do you recon you can "break-in" a barrel even if it was possible. Lapping is a sign of really antiquated machining it is the opposite of precision. Lapping is a means of making up for poor surface finish and old worn out machines and tooling.

@@buckaroobonsi555 Gotcha! I was pulling legs. In my opinion, the rigamarole some people go through to "break in" a rifle barrel is a waste of time and energy. I've built engines; I understand the usefulness to smooth out milling marks etc., but I don't understand the need to baby a rifle barrel through the first 200 rounds. I was just fishing for some off-the-wall comments. You are spot on. Thanks.

Yes, John. Thanks for watching.

Thanks randy

A trade for bulk instead of a slimmer barrel, conventionnally. Very costly. I don't see the "need" but I have installed them for clients.

Boober it’s easier to cut and is easier to clean. Plus old number of groves is easier on the jacket.

Barrels are made in 3, 4, 5, 6, or 8 groove. Just something else to sell. The finish quality has more to do than the groove #'s.

For my hunting a .308 Win. doesnt fit for lack of energy when needed i our open country for distance. Thanks for watching.

3 shots, clean every 3 shots for first 21 rounds total. Thanks for watching.

Pure nonsense!

Alex Peterson all 9shot groups does is heat your barrel and cause accuracy issues...if your shooting a high capacity semi auto, it may give you a more realistic picture, but a hunting rifle? Nonsense.

@@seanmetzger4780 That's exactly correct !

You should be leaving some fouling in there anyway. If you can determine and maintain a copper equilibrium, that's when your rifle will be at its most accurate.

Yes your barrel will slightly change point of impact from a bare steel, brand new barrel, to a copper fouled one...That being said, dont be afraid to clean your barrel either. After about 10 rounds it should be consistant again, and most people cant tell a huge difference depending on range of course....Example, if your a hunter hunting like 300 yards and in, you wont see much difference...If you a military sniper where headshots may be needed at extended range, than you need to be aware of this

50 Stitches Steel fact- if I went straight out of the bag and tried to take 1650 yrd shots with my 300 winny with my data from when I was shooting last year it would be off by about 9-10ft. I do not clean anything but the carbon off my bolt until the season is over then I will clean the rifle and take about 20 fouling shots- it will get an oil patch here and there.

@@brandonsjsj What season are you regularly taking 1650 yard shots? You would need to take another data gathering shot day to day rather lone year to year..At that distance you have way more factors to consider than just copper fouling

50 Stitches Steel Its paper season lol- The point I’m trying to make is copper fouling is it not an issue to worry too much about to a point after break in. Copper fouling does not matter to snipers, F1 guys and marksman like myself that enjoy taking and long range shots, by year to year I mean the data that I have used the previous year of shooting which had The same conditions- which i shoot about every other weekend at these ranges cold as Fuq or hot as heck at this point in my life- the main things I looked for temperature humidity and Chrono velocity’s for the effects these conditions had on my powder... at least that what I did in the past. The hornady app is the bomb with consistent powders such as imr 8133 which a staple powder for me anymore since it came out and a weather station that has blue tooth link to sync my phone, I only have to take a few fouling shot to check speed then it’s off to the races. I only have to come 56-64 moa on most days from my 300 yrd zero. I’m not suggesting shooting game at these ranges in any way. The best group I’ve had was only 12inch with 8 shots landing on paper and two flyers due to changes in the valleys wind. The longest shot I’ve taken on game is 550 yrd on white tail, I don’t thing I would ever push my range farther then this without something special happen and me having my 18lb rifle in the mountains lol that’s never happening.

No. It is entirely different for jacketed bullets and lead. Thanks for watching.

Heavier, much more costly, and not enough of improvement in any way, that I can see justifies the cost and weight. Thanks for watching. May you and yours stay safe and well.

@@TheRealGunsmith Thank you for this advice, as I was wondering the same question, Thanks again Stay Strong 💪

In Alabama blaze orange is required. Its always been my position that if I'm wearing blaze orange and someone shoots at me I must assume they know what they're shooting at and I'll act accordingly.

Not usually. Probably lucky if most rifles see 5 rounds before being sent out the door. Depends on the price point of the rifle and the manufacturer. A rem700 DM Mountain Rifle (not the cheapest 700 out there) I have had such a rough bore from the factory I had to fire lap it. Otherwise you could never get all the copper out of it and it coppered up excessively even at a low round count.

It's up to you to break in the barrel.

A rifle accuracy will depend on how you use it and your loads. As long as you do not over load the rounds your rifle will last longer. Take good care and it will maintain accuracy.

Since he didn't reply I will.corlokts have been around for decades because they work.there are many high tech newer bullets on the market today and I have used And like all I've used but you will pay much more for better bullets. For any game that the .243 should be used on you should never have a problem with corlokts.

@@bobgordon1754 The rem. corlokts have been the worst bullets I have ever used and 2 different times they failed to put down the deer with 1 shot. If you hand-load go premium bullet (Nosler, Barnes, Hornady, etc...) if you buy factory find a premium bullet load that works in your gun.

...and shooting it! 👍🏿

I never break barrels in at all. I just shoot them. I’m not too picky about cleaning either. I only ever use nylon bristle brushes and patches. I never use phosphor bronze brushes, I never use stainless steel, I never use harsh solvent, I never use anything with ammonia in it, and I never completely remove the copper fouling from any of my firearms barrels, pistols or rifle. The only thing I use is BreakFree CLP, the same stuff I used when I was in the military. Some of my firearms require grease as a lubricant so I use that after I use the CLP for cleaning. My rifles shoot sub MOA and they’re ultra reliable. I believe just shooting rounds through the barrel will pretty much fix any microscopic problems and imperfections in the rifling. I don’t worry about it. I don’t reload either but I do pay attention to ammunition lot numbers. I pay attention to variations and point of impact shifts. All these snake oil, voodoo break in rituals are completely unnecessary. If the barrel was any good, they wouldn’t be needed. All you need is good ammo. I don’t use a bore scope. I’ve never had access to one. I don’t believe in break in periods for rifles because of my experience in the military. I’ve had some DMR (Designated Marksman) training and I’ve served in that role. We never had the luxury of highly specialized rifles, custom ammo, custom barrels, or the time to work up custom loads. Most of the time. You got an “accurized” rifle with an optic that was a little bit better than your squad mates and you were expected to make precision shots with it. Paying attention to your ammunition lots between missions to avoid variations was about the best you could do. The optic helped make deadly precision shots at range to conserve ammo, shots my squad mates couldn’t. So no. You don’t need to break in a barrel. Just shoot your rifle. Shoot it a lot. The real key to precision rifle shooting is having consistent ammo. That’s why the lot members were so important. Observe the point of impact shifts between your optic and your ammo between lot numbers and make adjustments. Pay attention to things like the temperature of your barrel and pay attention to the temperature of your ammo too. Your ammo will shoot different if it’s been laying out in the sun and it gets hot versus staying in your ammo pouches or in shade.

@@leroyjenkins4811 I bet your guns aren't as accurate as you think or aren't even capable of good accuracy. You shoot factory ammo so you haven't even broken the threshold to decent ammo to start with. Go on with you beliefs somewhere else.

Physics is a wonderful thing. Every time you shoot a round, there is erosion. But the best way to break in a barrel is to just shoot it. No special procedures required.

Patriot Bill cute.

If a barrel is properly smoothed up at the factory no breakin is needed. I've seen properly finished barrels shoot one hole groups on day one and the worst case three inch groups when new. Then after a couple hundred rounds smoothed out the burrs it would shoot one hole groups. If you hear someone say always what follows is almost certainly wrong. The exceptions pop up their ugly head.

Yep, And he may know a thing or two !!

He's getting a match round during "break in". Finding the perfect cartridge. Not just busting caps.

@@davidswanson5436 That's a different thing then right? Looking for a diet that your rifle prefers or load development is a different thing

Thats what he says at the beginning.

Why would you want to try and find a bullet match for a rifle while in the middle of do this elaborate old time break- process. Non-sense. With current technology in barrel manufacturing there is no need for all the lengthy repetitive steps for breaking in the barrel!

Lol I've got a 30 30 that's had 50 rounds down her and put 42 deer down in there track like a sack of potatoes extra rounds shot were to check 0 from previous years kill

Conditioning the barrel to the passage of the bullet gradually, to reduce copper fouling and cleaning time. Thanks for watching.

Your "burnishing" the barrel with the bullets and removing the copper that adheres to the surface after shooting them.....eventually no copper will stick.

Rest assured that we don't have to agree with someone to respect them. My wife of 37 years and I sometimes disagree but there is no lack no lack of respect. It appears to me from reading the comments that elaborate bbl.breakin is a minority position and some of these shooters like me have 50 years or more experence.

No, sorry, I don't. Thanks for watching. May you and yours stay safe and well.

OK Thanks!

My shampoo bottle says "apply generously... lather, rinse, repeat."

He is passing on his knowledge and experience. Why not be kind and thank him?

Get bent.