“There’s no forgiving Jeff!” Was a perfect example. What a brutal but perfect intro to the third season.

For an anime example of a show that can do this, you may want to try Gintama

@@Research0digo Most people who heavily enjoy gintama are older than the targeted demographic of shonen jump :)

Bojack Horseman

@@andrewstephens5885 both funny, and truly dark. I love how dark it really gets after season 2. At first I was laughing, then the claws sank in and I just can’t turn it off. Can’t wait for season 4!

Season 4 is confirmed so not the final season yet

@@Tyleradams1301 No fucking way. I have no clue what route they could take the show at this point

@@Chadmlad Have faith in Bill Hader, dude. He brought us this far. Not knowing where things are going is part of what hooked me in the first place.

@@Chadmlad apparently they wrote season four before three was filmed

@@ThrobbertJomes Thats good to hear. Looks like we're going to be starting off right from where we left off

I feel like Albert letting him go in the desert counts?

@@MaxPowersUK I kinda agree, but their relationship is still weighed down by the fact that seeking Albert's approval is one of the things that led him down the path towards violence imo

No… not everyone… “dip that toe..” Good vibes right there

@@MaxPowersUK I agree with you on that. I posted this before I saw that episode.

@@MaxPowersUK He let him go because he owned him his life and his daughter’s existence by association.

Holy shit you're right!

also the bullet he loads to kill Esther early in season 2 is used to kill her in the finale

That's the main selling point of Facebook. I never understood it. If there are people in your life that are important to you, they remain in your life. If those people are not still a part of your life, it's because people move on. It may sound detached, but it truly is the way life is. I feel the same way about reunions. Why in the hell would I want to see those people again!? I didn't have a bad time in HS, but I don't care to reexamine those relationships, they do not matter to me anymore. Plus, Facebook has devolved into a sinister entity over the years. That was inevitable. They don't make anything, they do not provide a service (which some would debate) and they are (incidentally) responsible for people turning into phone junkies. Sorry. I guess I took your joke and just went overboard with it.

@@UNUSUALUSERNAME220 well put!

I couldn’t quite put my finger on what show this was scratching the itch of, and you’re right, it’s Dexter. Man that show sucked in the end

Just love the way they used show don’t tell to really let you understand the seriousness of that moment. Other shows will spit on your intelligence so much that they’ll actually spell it out for you.

Sally is very close to not being a good person

@@Barren_Harem808 Sally isn't a good person. The only reason she wasn't 100% like Barry was because she was sheltered. She was abused, yes, but she was sheltered. She was a "child" like the other actors, as Gene says. She has moved closer to Barry by the end of season 4, giving into her darker and more selfish impulses.

@@Barren_Harem808 Sally uses other people like Fuches just different methods and circumstances. I haven't seen her make any honest gesture out of kindness to anyone, though, I've only seen 2 season. Idk if she changed in season 3.

It is based off a real person.

horrible take

Honestly seems pretty clear to me that it is at least partially an addiction for him, or at least allegorically used to portray addiction. He hates doing it and hates himself when he does it, but every effort to stop seems useless and season 3 really showed him giving up on trying to be better and completely giving in to that addiction. The fact that he even puts effort into making sure Sally doesn't blame herself for what went down at his house by placing the blame on himself shows that he still is aware and filled with guilt about his situation, but has accepted it as a part of his life he can't escape.

Okay namby pamby that's enough critter noises out of you!

I think there was an element of comedy in his ideas on Sally's boss or whatever. "Like switch her dog with a slightly different dog" ....imagine some guy turning up at the pound saying "I'd like a dog that's LIKE this one, but not this one"

Would you turn yourself in

Definitely agree!! Someone mentioned how he’s an unreliable narrator, and I feel like that’s a great way to describe his character

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​@@joannelee5574 eh, that doesnt really add up. an unreliable narrator is someone who blurs the line between their perception of the story's reality and the actual story's reality. the show has never had a moment where its events are ambiguous in that way. i would say he's more of an anti-hero, since he doesn't really tweak the story to his favor the way an unreliable narrator would, its more that we are made to sympathize with him as a protagonist despite him doing awful things. like with a lot of anti-hero stories, its very easy for the audience to get confused about the moral alignment of the protagonist. and i would argue this is very much a part of anti-hero stories, its just that sometimes audiences don't always put in the thought work to figure out why the writers are using this storytelling device and the philosophical implications behind that decision. in the case of Barry, its easy to sympathize with him because we can see that his profession is slowly tearing him apart and he wants to change. but the end of season 1 pretty firmly establishes that Barry is a bad person. he kills Detective Moss and ruins the life of his mentor for no reason other than he wants to protect his new life. its extremely complex but basically, he and the audience want to believe that he can change and grow from the past and we do genuinely start to believe he is capable of that. but by using murder to escape the consequences of his past, he isn't really protecting the positive changes in his life, he's reinforcing the change through the violence of his past. its establishing the paradox inherent to his character that causes him to slowly deteriorate over the course of the show. none of that is unreliable narration, its all literally happening in the show's reality.

@@balloonfiesta15 Just gonna preface that the comment I read was much more well explained, so this isn’t doing their interpretation enough justice lol. He’s definitely an antihero tho!! (Edit: Ig it would’ve been more fitting to say he has traits of an unreliable narrator since I get how it doesn’t completely work with the show’s pov tho) Imo it made sense on the objective evil of his actions (especially starting s3) and how he justifies them in a way that’s increasingly based on his specific worldview (which is not good to say the least). It’s almost telltale heart-ish but he’s trying to prove his actual “good”ness vs. sanity. We see everything he’s doing play out directly so his unreliability isn’t particularly deceptive or anything, but it’s visible more in how he defends his actions to himself and why he “had to do it” (like killing moss), like a third person unreliable narrator of sorts. He waters down his actions, and contradicts general moral code to justify why he’s killing with an almost naïveté that everything will be normal if he does this again, but this plays out in third person. He disregards that some of his actions are objectively evil and caused by his own issues (ex. the murderfest at season 2 finale when he kills everyone due to his rage issues), and it pushes the audience to sympathize even when the actions aren’t sympathetic, because we’d like him to have a normal life. It’s just near impossible now. Ofc the other person also wrote their comment very well, so there were a lot of things said more eloquently lol. You’re definitely right about him being an antihero too, he’s a super interesting character to discuss 👍👍

Right! I think it's inevitable that they'll be drawn and stuck together by their trauma and so much else.

For this show, That was pretty horrific! Reminded me of when the cartel and law timelines cross in better call saul.

@@andrewstephens5885 looks like Sally was in the middle of something...

@@andrewstephens5885 the show reminds me of better call Saul quite often

​@@ulicesvilla6995 ohh then is crap! thanks for saving my time! watched 1 and a half season of better call saul and it was the most boring thing I've seen, 99% of the time was an old man preparing té in a dark house with depression and no talking or sounds, as a fan of breaking bad I gave it a chance but it was too bad, I see this show is boring too, nope thanks!

@@saierwe I got to season 4/6 of bcs and it is one of the most boring shows i have ever watched don’t pick it back up and people try to make up for it by saying it’s a good show because seasons 5 and 6 are good, but that doesn’t make any sense because if a majority of a shows seasons are bad it is a bad show no matter how good the other seasons are

Nice

I think that’s a major point of the show though to show this casual violence and these awful men who never get caught or have any consequences and are glorified

The show doesn’t make violence “casual” or glorify it. It makes you really appreciate how serious and destructive it is by going out of its way to point out the intimate gruesome details.

Very well said man. I often find it confusing when people are so black and white about Barry and just hate him cause he’s not the most morally upright character. But the whole point of the story and why he’s such a fascinating character is because he’s struggling with being a human being in search for redemption. The show goes out of its way to tease you with the life Barry could have if he changed but he always throws it away by his own hands. Or was he forced into those actions? Honestly this show is a breath of fresh air and reminds me of books like Dr. Jekel and Mr. Heid. It’s so layered and complex.

They rlly nailed the complexities of the struggle, trauma, desire, and blood lust! OIF Army vet. Purple heart recipient Bronze star nominee

All of this! I love that this show actually considers the mindset of a veteran who comes back home. How can an efficiently trained killer just go back to “normal?”

Was

And it is being criminally underrated man.

It's funny you say that because a lot of seasons 1-2 were never all that structured. Events were fluid, writing was off the cuff, they admitted they never planned out the structure of an entire season before 3, and it took the COVID pandemic to give them time to sit down and plan out the last two seasons for them to really focus their efforts. You can definitely tell in season 4 especially just how uniquely singular it is in terms of being Bill and Alec's vision for the finale. With all that said tho, I think it was an amazing show from start-to-finish. Every episode is great!

i don't really see any addiction in here; i think this is exploring other issues. but maybe there are elements i'm missing. i don't think barry is addicted to killing. he'd stop if given a real chance, but he doesn't know how to make a life and no one will help him make one

i think though the show is partially about how much of each person is their deeds and how much is something else. She'll still be the person who did that back home. And on some level, she wanted to do it because she'd wanted so much to have stood up to him but didn't....until she DID. i think she''ll be another layer

yall thinking to deep. she was bouta die and killed him cus shes experienced violence from other men (her ex). she left because barry told her too, thats why in the new episode she is confused about who barry killed. she left so they couldnt put the blame on her killing the guy, she doent know barry is a serial killer yet.

@@fuchsia203 Nah, pay attention to the scene, the dude stopped attacking her and she had the means to escape. But she chose a blunt weapon. She got cancelled that day, and was distraught already and was planning to psychologically abuse Natalie anyway, she projected that rage onto the biker.

Thank you! Next week is a bit more niche but darker

Barry is just a product and a victim of manipulative human garbage ambushing him perpetually, I'd fucking snap with that pressure too and the point of the story is to point out that everyone is just as bad as Barry, but more pussyfooting and verminous in their approach through manipulations. Hope Barry finally breaks out of the cycle, either through dying in prison or literally nuking all of humanity.

Nah man, you hit the nail on the head 👌

Sopranos clears that list 😈

@@Lgbtfortnite can't find a way to watch it, Should I get HBO max?

@@toongamer2810 Yeah HBOmax or if you live outside the US Binge/Foxtel

@@Lgbtfortnite oh alr thanks

@zetta _ but if he confesses to everything, he’s away for life. How would he get a chance at redemption?

Realistically, I think the only redemption he can get now is more moral/conceptual (small chance if any) than a chance at a normal life. Obviously fuches is a huge part of his actions, but this is about the second/third chance he’s gotten. He was kind of forced back, but usually it was him making the final decision in each season finale to go further, out of rage or his own selfishness, and his choices catch up with him eventually People can evolve, but Barry made some progress then backspaced so hard that he’s hit the point where he would have to confess if he wants to redeem himself, very somewhat, to the people he’s affected. But by now, it’s been made pretty visible that he’s not willing to make the responsible choices left, and he’s dug himself his own grave Just my take at least!! Super excited to see what they do, I honestly don’t know how it’ll end

I'm the same mate. I came out on a medical discharge, beaten up pretty badly both physically and mentally. Thankfully I have an incredibly supportive family and then met my fiancee who continues to be my rock, both sides nursed me back into a society I felt incredibly out of touch with, and even very bitter towards. It's because of this I tend not to attend many reunions, or go drinking with lads I served with. Don't get me wrong, they are my brothers for life, as you know yourself the bond formed by combat is virtually unbreakable. However, some of them haven't been nearly as fortunate as I have, and there is a very dark rabbit hole of alcohol, drug abuse, domestic abuse and casual violence I don't want to be near. Some of the lads actually frighten me a little (I know, I'm a pussy lol) It sounds incredibly selfish, but I want to keep that rabbit hole at arms length, as I know given the wrong set of circumstances I could very easily tumble back into it. All the best mate, hope you're living your best life now you're on the other side.

It’s like that old saying “who’s more foolish, the fool or the fool that follows him/her?” Just replace “fool” with soulless/ evil/ wicked etc.

I think Bill Hader or Alec Berg specifically said that the "old" hitman was a glimpse into what Barry would ultimately become, staying on the path he was on. Makes me wonder if the show will ultimately end with Barry killing himself like the guy did, maybe with Fuches by his side as well.

Any TV show that starts with the letter B is a great show.

Thank you. Now that I've finished watching this, I appreciate Season 3, which I honestly didn't get before listening to your explanation. I hope someone sends this to BH. You seem to get this show better than anyone else!

could be. tony soprano got killed at the end of sopranos. assumedly anyway. everything just went black. i could see barry having a simliar fate.