Just want take this time to thank Ian for all he has taught me over last few years. The amount of interesting history and engineering I've learned as well as just straight up entertainment I've enjoyed is invaluable. Double thanks for having such amazing content stacked up so we can all keep enjoying new episodes throughout this time!
@luisnunes20104 жыл бұрын
Hear, hear!
@marks_sparks14 жыл бұрын
100% agreement there
@dbmail5454 жыл бұрын
Even at the dawn of the era, the rifled barrel is the heart and greatest expense of a firearm. Not surprising that rifled musket conversions were considered such a good idea.
@axelpatrickb.pingol32284 жыл бұрын
Especially with steel barrels becoming more popular. Steel until the 1870's is an expensive and difficult material to work with...
@Cacowninja4 жыл бұрын
In relation to that most firearm categories are _some_ kind of rifle I mean assault rifle, sniper rifle, anti-materiel rifle, scout rifle, marksman rifle, sporting rifle, spotting rifle, battle rifle, etc. And most guns that aren't rifles have rifling anyway like machine guns, pistols, revolvers, etc.
@TheRogueWolf4 жыл бұрын
"...and lost basically his entire fortune in railroad speculation." Lesson learned: Just because you're a genius, doesn't make you a smart guy.
@rifles_up22634 жыл бұрын
The Rogue Wolf 👏🏽say it again for the people in the back!!!👌🏾
@redram51504 жыл бұрын
Jay Leno brings up constantly “This is a great vehicle. The creator was a genius! But like most geniuses they were bad businessmen and died penniless”
@ZGryphon4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, losing your entire fortune in railroad speculation was the national sport for much of the second half of the 19th century. We think the economy is a roller coaster in modern times? Boy howdy. Just plug "panic of 18" into a search engine and see how many different autocompletes you get...
@BleedingUranium4 жыл бұрын
@@ZGryphon I just tried that and the entire list was indeed filled with purely different/unique numbers hahahaha
@jontee34374 жыл бұрын
Lets hope that whoever gets this is a fan of this channel and that he or she takes it to anvil gunsmithing to "do the maintenance" and we get an in depth video about it from Mark Novak
@Taistelukalkkuna4 жыл бұрын
Hear hear.
@whoijacket4 жыл бұрын
For those curious, Bridesburg, PA is basically Philadelphia metro area (the upstream side on the Delaware River)
@Matt_The_Hugenot4 жыл бұрын
What the real reason was we may never know, whether it was actually worse than the successful rifle, whether it was the army being conservative with their suppliers, or whether it was outright corruption, all are possible. In this era how many times do arms industry insiders win the trials despite the deficiencies of their products?
@Matt_The_Hugenot4 жыл бұрын
@@Sableagle That was merely a government armoury product. The contract was rushed through to give the appearance of it being a going concern for privatisation. Government being corrupt which is wholly legal when it says it is.
@Matt_The_Hugenot4 жыл бұрын
@Christie Malry Maybe. The occasional weapon blowing up in soldiers' faces was an acceptable risk in the 19th century though.
@genuinehawken4 жыл бұрын
FN SCAR in the US SOF SCAR trials. is a prime example
@shawnr7714 жыл бұрын
When did the outright corruption stop?
@gunner6784 жыл бұрын
@@Sableagle not a good example. It's a decent piece of kit in all fairness.
@shaunnit4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy forgotten weapons more for the history,but do like the look of the old weapons to.👍
@IWatchedWhat4 жыл бұрын
Very cool, rollingblock rifles of all types are interesting.
@JKJ19004 жыл бұрын
I love how these have the same profile as Flintlock mechanisms. I wish they caught one
@nonamesplease62884 жыл бұрын
Bridesburg is now a section of Philadelphia. I am not certain if it was at the time Jenks made these rifles, but it would not be surprising if he simply marked his rifles as Philadelphia manufacture. Small point, but historically interesting. Thanks for another great video!
@roguetorino4 жыл бұрын
I can hear Mark Novak screaming, "Do the maintenance!" now, while looking at the condition of these rifles. I hope the new owner does them justice.
@widgren874 жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder what guys like Jenks would have come up with if they were born in a different time... For some reason I enjoy "what ifs" like that, still nice video on a gun I had never heard of :-)
@stevejenkins99844 жыл бұрын
He came up with a small machine shop in nw pa and some kids. Machining was passed down along the line. Till me there's been no gunsmiths in the fam line. But i got a few guns in design but not yet prototype stage.
@widgren874 жыл бұрын
@@stevejenkins9984 Well best of luck to you.
@CAMSLAYER134 жыл бұрын
@@stevejenkins9984 I'd say I hope you end up an this one day, but that probably wouldn't be ideal for you.
@robertmasciantonio3304 Жыл бұрын
It's worth mentioning that the Jenks Machines works was just across Frankford Creek from the Frankford Arsenal.
@BNoakville4 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute. He speculated then lost everything in the railroad industry? Would Barton Jenks be in any way related to Downing B Jenks? If so boy do I have news for you...
@josephjoestar32754 жыл бұрын
👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
@1978garfield4 жыл бұрын
I also had that thought. As soon as Ian said Jenks I thought of Jenks blue on the MoPac.
@-mage-52364 жыл бұрын
Me: I wish i had a family like Jenks'. Also me: Nevermind, i'll be the downfall of that.
@HughBarton-yc9uu11 ай бұрын
Lovely video! FYI (and that of your viewers,of course) Bridesburg is actually part of Philadelphia, having been incorporated about 1850. This would explain the Philadelphia on the receiver. Thanks as always!
@yomaze20094 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Ian. These types of rifles and these types of stories must feel so cool to unearth. Glad i get to share it with you.
@frostie30064 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work Ian! Its really a privilege to get to see these weapons in this detail. I'm an Aussie so i don't have the access that you have, but have had the interest!
@GunsNGames14 жыл бұрын
Gun Jesus blesses us with wild west firearms.
@randywatson83474 жыл бұрын
Hats off for the designer. So simple and efficient!
@user-cf2rh6ik7r4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are the coolest thing on KZfaq, thanks for your work!
@jerryjohnsonii41814 жыл бұрын
I love the Rolling Block system !!!!!!!! Thanks for showing these peaces of history , Ian !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@renegadenaffy4 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian, in one of your previous videos you implied that using match heads instead of black powder was a really bad idea, well that got in interested and I came across a video on ammo channel where he used match head in a 38 special. Could you do a video on this topic ??? Please keep up the fantastic work
@Ardelanin4 жыл бұрын
it 'might' be possible if you know exactly what you're doing. but generally the combustion of the match head mixture is far too intense; I think? probably a 'leave it to the experts' scenario.
@POTUSJimmyCarter2 ай бұрын
It's something that is shown in US Army Technical Manual 31-210, as an absolute last ditch improvised weapon. A lot of the concepts in there are really a little optimistic both in access to materials and in effectiveness.
@drubradley88214 жыл бұрын
That lock mech is still clever, never mind the simple nature of the breech lock, still clever... that dual stock or parted furniture setting, must have been heavy..
@AsbestosMuffins4 жыл бұрын
that first one looks so good from a distance and so crusty up close
@sawyere24964 жыл бұрын
So very crusty.
@YaoiMastah4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I've seen this mechanism in several Belgian and French flobert guns. I didn't know it originated somewhere else.
@loupiscanis94494 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Ian .
@williamjenks3593 жыл бұрын
Awesome clan. Jenks rock!
@charleshaynes8154 жыл бұрын
Looks like a job for Mark Novak
@VegaValdeez4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@KarlBunker4 жыл бұрын
It looks like it would be easy to fire these without the breech block locked, unless there's some safety interlock that we couldn't see.
@luisantolafrancis5194 жыл бұрын
when you think youve seen it all ......here comes Ian ...
@longboweod4 жыл бұрын
Dang it, Rock Island, clean your wall! I keep thinking I have a smudge on my monitor.
@mrb6924 жыл бұрын
Is there anything that ensures the locking block is fully engaged? It looks like if the tab on the lock was jostled out of position, the breech would still be fully forward but totally unlocked. With the Remington pattern this was a nonissue since the hammer itself was the lock, maybe that’s why it was rejected?
@Helperbot-20002 жыл бұрын
found one of these in the attic, likely originally used by the norwegian military, missing all its guts except the trigge tho, but still a very cool thing to have
@daveweller95794 жыл бұрын
Sometimes the best doesn't always win
@jefftaylor64504 жыл бұрын
Bridesburg is a borough of Philadelphia and is the location of the Frankford Arsenal so lots of firearms history there.
@anderslind84224 жыл бұрын
You should do a vid on the Jungle Carbine, I feel like not many people know much about it
@axelpatrickb.pingol32284 жыл бұрын
He did.
@zachskibiel42254 жыл бұрын
I believe it was Alfred who was a major donator to the Williamson Free School of Mechanical Trades. The dorms were named after major contributors, my dorm was..... Jenks.
@GeFlixes4 жыл бұрын
10:52 Sounds like a good idea for an exclusive and very expensive collection of forgotten weapons.
@JohnLeePedimore4 жыл бұрын
You tube movies uploaded a movie a couple days ago called "Emperor" about Hirohito and Macarthur directly after the war. Great movie and it's FREE.
@gunner6784 жыл бұрын
Not bad to watch once although Tommy Lee Jones was miscast. But it's free so worth a watch definately.
@dbaider94674 жыл бұрын
Really interesting. Fabulous workmanship, considering the date they were made. A feature on how guns were made before electricity would be great.
@STRAKAZulu4 жыл бұрын
A very interesting mechanism.
@kaylt.78644 жыл бұрын
👀was there a Leeroy Jenks? 😂
@thedamnyankee14 жыл бұрын
well, there WAS....
@andrewjb050519984 жыл бұрын
Goddamit Leroy
@kaylt.78644 жыл бұрын
@@supremeghost7950 💀💀😂
@Bzhydack3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he was Pioneer in Meme Technology.
@woltews4 жыл бұрын
when the breach is lockd and the lever is up how do you use the sights ?
@TheWozWizard4 жыл бұрын
I knew there was a reason I like to look up patents. You should retitle your video “Sutvan - Jenks Model 1867 Rolling Block Trail Rifle”. A little research revealed that Isaac Sutvan a “draftsman, of Bridesburg, in the county of Philadelphia and state of Pennsylvania” was the actual inventor of the breech mechanism (patent 46,866 issue 14 March 1865 Improvement in Breech-Loading Fire-Arms). He assigned the patent “to Baron H. Jenks, of the same place”. Let us give credit where credit is due!
@shooter5754 жыл бұрын
Halving fired a 54 monkey tailed Jenks carbine I love these two also. The post CW -1900 time frame for arms design it the most interesting.
@shooter5754 жыл бұрын
@@pacman10182 As JMB was born in 1855 I think this was before he had too many patents. :-)
@shawnr7714 жыл бұрын
Nice rifles and interesting history.
@excurrahee4 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a vid on why rim fire was so popular i the first cartridge guns.
@sawyere24964 жыл бұрын
I think it’s mostly because rimfire cartridges were easier to manufacture
@donaldholman90704 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Thank you.
@SinisterGerbils4 жыл бұрын
"Zoinks!" "Ruh-roh!" J E N K I E S
@stevejenkins99844 жыл бұрын
Cost was less to grab a trapdoor conversion. The jenks family always been a half step behind lol damn it
@donaldholman90704 жыл бұрын
Those barrels are so long you can shoot into next week.
@Hawk19664 жыл бұрын
Is that rifle closest to the camera painted?
@rorygallagherfanboy44564 жыл бұрын
I wish I had a mustache like Ian. I could get his style of beard but my mustache will never be as full and wonderful as his.
@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks4 жыл бұрын
would seem a pity to break up the set.
@VegaValdeez4 жыл бұрын
Send it to Mark @ anvilgunsmithing. I'm sure he would greatly enjoy conserving this historic piece
@comradeglory46254 жыл бұрын
Nice
@deadsweetheart14 жыл бұрын
Remind me awfully a lot of flobert rolling blocks
@danieljob31844 жыл бұрын
The naval arms Henry lever action, patented in 1866. Nuff said!
@kebabking70254 жыл бұрын
Another blessing!
@rifles_up22634 жыл бұрын
One of the 3 main characters in “No country for old men” name was Llewellyn this is the only other time I’ve heard of a man named that
@JvS17114 жыл бұрын
Move to Wales, all the Llewellyns you could ever need!
@rifles_up22634 жыл бұрын
Joost van Schijndel interesting,so it’s a common male name there?
@marks_sparks14 жыл бұрын
@@rifles_up2263 yes, as is Jones , Williams and your surname Roberts. Watch Zulu and you'll know what I mean
@rifles_up22634 жыл бұрын
marksandsparks1 🤙🏽Rite On
@rodneyrubert96034 жыл бұрын
I kept expecting some video or even just words about the sites. It looked like the operating lever would be in the way of or very distracting to the sites.
@charlesgagnon69254 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of my Floberts !
@DonDiesel8854 жыл бұрын
Hello Ian great video, are you going to make a video about the High Standard Model 10 Series A Police Shotgun? i seen it was currently up for auction and it looks like quite the strange rig, please consider it thanks brother
@_Anton_M4 жыл бұрын
super!
@hondeos46104 жыл бұрын
Make a video about the ww2 German panzerfaust and shooting tests!
@creepyendy4 жыл бұрын
Shooting Test with a Panzerfaust that would destroy the weapon
@janwacawik74324 жыл бұрын
It's an expensive destructive device. Not many functional examples exist in the US and, being a single use only weapon, it would be destroyed in such a test.
@bikecommuter244 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it is best to just leave the gun in its present condition or try to clean it up after you buy it, I know working around classic car auctions that original paint and patina is not something you mess with.
@ifitsfreeitsforme18524 жыл бұрын
Even though this is a clever design, it definitely has some draw backs compared to a Remington roller...the biggest thing is , this action limits the length of the cartridge..with a Remington, the hammer and breech block roll almost completely out of the way so you can stuff just about any cartridge in that you wanted. The other thing is,I think that hammer spur would surely get snapped off with hard use..
@sierge14 жыл бұрын
What were the cartridges used in each rifle??????
@robert89844 жыл бұрын
Why is there a proof mark on the barrel? I always thought those things dont exist in the USA.
@MootingInsanity4 жыл бұрын
We don't have proof houses in the US, so it just means the proofing was done by the manufacturer.
@anonymousanglo11694 жыл бұрын
I want one
@BigHauss4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does the locking tab block the sight picture
@benmillward77654 жыл бұрын
Any chance of a video on the Needham conversion rifle? I'vve read the articcle on tthe wewebsite, but my paternal gradfathther was a Needham and family history say he was desccended from Joseph or George. My uncle had a framed copy of the patent on his wall for years. Therefore I would love to see a video on this rifle, but I have no idea how rare/unobtanium they are.
@luisnunes20104 жыл бұрын
These rifles must make dandy war clubs when the ammo runs out...
@axelpatrickb.pingol32284 жыл бұрын
"Forgetting bayonets exist..."
@luisnunes20104 жыл бұрын
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Just having fun, geez...
@axelpatrickb.pingol32284 жыл бұрын
There is no fun having an inferior weapon than your opponent...
@litllebk4 жыл бұрын
G'day Ian I was wondering if you can track down a albini braendlin rifle. Cheers
@sethrogers84734 жыл бұрын
Ancestors, not descendants. I try not to be that guy, but I'm going to be because I hear this on a number of channels that cover a variety of topics. Your ancestors come before you and your descendants after you. Otherwise solid content, as always, and please keep the videos rolling.
@dontquestionmyname54904 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian, would you do videos about Erma .22 luger in the future?
@stevenkeegan62604 жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@codylinn89134 жыл бұрын
Love the channel! What, if any, are the differences between a carbine and a rifle?
@clothar234 жыл бұрын
Carbines as a rule tend to be both shorter and smaller than a full length rifle. They are often chambered in pistol cartridges though not always.
@fetishartist1374 жыл бұрын
How much can you "clean up" a firearm like this without reducing the value of the firearm?
@dariustiapula4 жыл бұрын
Imagine converting our current weapons to either gauss, lasers, or plasma. M4/AK, but indistinguishable.
@cacheman4 жыл бұрын
Have you seen THIS before?!
@someguy37664 жыл бұрын
Snider-Enfield please!!!
@blackpowderkun4 жыл бұрын
Can I ask the name of the pistol you've shown. It's a semi-automatic, clip fed, detachable magazine and a second trigger for cocking.
@baker903384 жыл бұрын
LINKS PLEASE
@davidreeding91764 жыл бұрын
I've always preferred The Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past, the other ones I just couldn't get into
@baker903384 жыл бұрын
David Reeding Well played...
@maxerpoo674 жыл бұрын
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@blackpowderkun4 жыл бұрын
@@maxerpoo67 thank you.
@Argosh4 жыл бұрын
The additional benefit of that split system appears to be that it can't be fired with an open breach?
@piatpotatopeon83054 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is that the Jenks dynasty is the RL equivalent of the Joestar dynasty, except with inventing instead of loglegs.
@sinistro77223 жыл бұрын
i are looking for flobert parlor pistol similar breech loader mechanics systems, but to make a letal rifle [ 22 win mag ] if you know something warn me.
@patrickmoffatt43714 жыл бұрын
@forgottenweapons, when you start traveling again, you should start doing something like "where in the world is Carmen Sandiego"
@user-oj3iw1ly8u4 жыл бұрын
Hs50 m1 stayr
@bensmith45634 жыл бұрын
This made me think of a hypothetical what if someone tried to make something like a simple blowback sub machine could they have made it work at this time period and would it be successful
@phodon1294 жыл бұрын
Black Powder fouls any auto mechanism far too quickly to be viable. Even the earliest machineguns were only truly useful once smokeless became common.
@gmsherry19534 жыл бұрын
0:47 "the first descendant of his" I think you meant the first ancestor of his. He was that person's descendant, not the other way around. If you don't like the sound of ancestor, synonyms are forebear, forefather, antecedent, progenitor. That said, thanks for another informative, entertaining video.
@PatchworkLeyn4 жыл бұрын
That's basically a bolt action without mag and ejector, isn't it?
@letsplaybarrysmod58154 жыл бұрын
The thing he do for us is great. Some may say gun jesus but I think he's a gun god
@godhimself95284 жыл бұрын
How's the French .22 hunt going?
@Stargazer80able4 жыл бұрын
Adopt one, and give it a good home
@SearTrip4 жыл бұрын
Ancestor, rather than descendant
@anzaca14 жыл бұрын
Looks like the gun needs a bit of TLC.
@tdugong4 жыл бұрын
0:47 sorry for nitpicking, Ian but shouldn't it be 'the first ancestor of his that moved to the New World'? Kinda jarring to hear descendant there.
@MrJonsonville54 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say the exact same thing, but thought I'd check through the comments first to see if anyone else caught it. It had to be his ancestor, it's the only thing that makes sense.
@ForgottenWeapons4 жыл бұрын
Oops. Yup, you are right.
@Croak14 жыл бұрын
Do I have Wuhan on the brain, or does that hammer assembly look like...a bat?
@GuntherRommel4 жыл бұрын
If half of the people who'd watched this by the time I did (24k at that point) donated a dollar per month over Patreon, Ian could buy a tank after a couple months. Think about how awesome it would be. Think about it.