Clear? Maybe you can explain me, if I should buy the HBC or normal version? I am using a 13700K without contact frame for 2 years now on a NH-U12A. My guess is that I have to buy the HBC and also install the washers? Or HBC without washers? Or normal version? I dont really get it to be honest.

Yes, HBC would be our recommendation for this setup. You could try the HBC both with and without washers to see what works best for you.

NP-H1.brown is the article number of that hoodie - they do sell them

@@NoctuaVideos im a bit skeptical of how new CPU with contact frame with standard flat isnt the best. Washers with dodgy ILM and standard flat is somehow superior?? how

But just like the fan is it also offered in Black?

Because it is. I have it.

Yeah perfect for summer lol

im a bit skeptical of how new CPU with contact frame with standard flat isnt the best. Washers with dodgy ILM and standard flat is somehow superior?? how

His testing is irrelevant anyway because air coolers act differently in all builds. I don't need control testing to know that high-end air coolers are performing well because most high-end air coolers do perform well. Noctua doesn't have a reputation of disappointment either. I don't need some POS on KZfaq to tell me that an air cooler is worthy when the name alone proves it's worthy.

@@jamesm568 Benchmarking human stupidity ?

@@griffin5734 synthetic bench marking is a joke anyway.

@@jamesm568 these benchmarks are only to see which one is better. yeah in reality everything looks diffrent but the worst one will nearly always be the worst one and that can be seen in these benchmarks.

overpriced?

Probably be waiting a long time on that…

It will be a long wait! And that is a good thing!

Thats not gonna happen

Thank you for your kind feedback, the NH-D15 G2 already supports LGA1851 out of the box, so no need for upgrades! ;) Monetization is turned off for our channel, so normally you shouldn't get any ads!

The current ETA is September: noctua.at/en/noctua-at-computex-2024

@@NoctuaVideos Oh and one thing Noctua after spending an inordinate amount of time, preaching to the masses for years on Toms Hardware, about how you guys would provide an excellent service of shipping free future mounting kit anywhere in world for free, its a bit disappointing when you guys required invoice copy of new mobo. By the time it arrived, i had given up the wait and purchased the mounting kit locally. I understand there are cheats, but if i have receipts from noctua D15 in 2017, with my all out 8700k noctua build being a featured pcpartpicker build of the week, to now 2023 January, im upgrading to 13700k. warning you guys in advance, so it all lines up. Yes, ill have all the parts sitting around just waiting for the mount kit for a month , indefinitely. Ive still got the mounting kit sitting here. Do you want me to ship it back?

@@NoctuaVideos To clarify, there should have been a way for me too prove i wasnt a cheat, and to get the show on the road a bit sooner. Just imagine, $$$thousands of parts sitting indefinitely waiting for a mount kit. There limited time for hardware mobo failure quick refund vs going to long RMA process. Im not going to pass up that precious window. i cant afford to

I'm waiting since 2021 for these 140 x 25 ultra low noise fans, to replace my radiator standard fans. :D

The square frame fan is targeted for September: www.noctua.at/roadmap

The good news is that Noctua ended up not using LCP (the super expensive material used for the fan blades because of its performance) for the fan frame, so it would not be that expensive.

This is for medium and high base convexity coolers on fresh CPUs. The reason is that medium and high convexity versions show a better fit to the slight concavity of a fresh CPU with 1mm washers than to the flatter surface you tend to get with contact frames. Keep in mind that the differences are very small

The standard version will work well, but if you don't use the washers or a contact frame, the HBC version would do even better!

got a good diference bro ??? temps ? make a test video plz haha i have 13900kf with contatc frame PL1 PL2 253. and noctua nh de15 chromax kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9eCZax_rrHUlJs.html

Sadly, at this stage, we're unable to discuss LGA1851 contact quality due to NDA. We can confirm mounting compatibility with LGA1851 though and as a rule of thumb, the medium convexity standard version has proven to be the most versatile for various platforms.

We hope to have it available in India in the next 2-3 months. In the meantime, you should be able to order from Amazon.com!

Both the standard version with offset and the LBC version will work great for you: faqs.noctua.at/en/support/solutions/articles/101000526921

​@@NoctuaVideosthanks

No, sadly this is too tight.

No plans for heatsink covers yet, but if we see sufficient demand, we will look into it!

LBC is what we recommend for AM4: faqs.noctua.at/en/support/solutions/articles/101000526921

Yes, LBC is what we'd recommend for LGA2011, LGA2066 or AM4. For LGA1151 based Intel 8th or 9th gen CPUs, we'd recommend the standard version as they show more deformation than LGA2011 or LGA2066. As for the washers, they can only be used with LGA1700.

Yes, that would be our recommendation. You could try the HBC both with and without washers to see what works best for you.

@@NoctuaVideos Thanks a lot! But I have seen that the HBC version does not come with the washers so I guess the normal mount will be fine!

Standard version as you can see on the sheet at 06:46

We recommend the standard version for LGA1151: faqs.noctua.at/en/support/solutions/articles/101000526921

@@NoctuaVideos Looking forward for my upgrade, thanks.

The 9900k

NH-D15 "G1" didn't support Threadripper either, it's just too small. You're looking for the NH-U14/NH-U12/NH-D9/NH-U9/etc that already had platform-specific variations for AMD/Intel/Ampere workstations

Delidded LGA1700 CPUs are not supported due to SMDs on the package being higher than die.

@@NoctuaVideos thanks for the clarification.

Why waste a $150? Cooler on a $10 CPU?

In terms of surface flatness, LGA1366 is more similar to LGA115x/1200 than to LGA2011/2066, so we would recommend the medium base convexity standard version for this socket.

We present detailed temperature data in the video, you can also find it here: noctua.at/en/nh-d15-g2-versions-explained

I just want to preface what I’m about to say by telling you that I am a long-time Noctua fan (no pun intended), and I currently own six of your coolers. When I see something like this after years of development, I wonder what the goal is here as a company. Your competitors are matching or beating your performance at around 1/5 of the price, and your solution is to develop a needlessly technical and frankly confusing product that offers only a potential 2-3 degree improvement. I understand that we’re at the limits of air cooling and, as a technical company with a great reputation, you aim to continually improve. I can appreciate that. But do you want to remain a niche brand for highly technical air coolers while the market totally passes you by? I had high hopes when you introduced the Chromax series because it felt like you finally understood the market, but in my opinion, this is a huge step backward and a big disappointment after a long-anticipated reveal.

@@minecraftmike5193 They found their niche in clients that value their attention to detail decision to go for different mounting systems is exactly why I would go for them and none of their competitiors ... and we are not even talking about their way over engineered fans and fantastic customer service. I get that most people will not buy this if they are stripped for cash, but I for exampleonly buy a PC every 5-6 years and I want my PC to be silent cool and as stable and long living as possible. If you choose noctua cooling you won't have your fans die on you as fast as the other cheaper brands and you get a more silent pc as well.

Yes, AMD offset brackets are included with all three versions.

You don't need liquid cooling for any AMD processor. All AMD processors can be effectively cooled with an air cooler. Here's a fun fact, AMD does not have one single CPU that requires liquid cooling as some only have recommendations.

@@jamesm568 true, but i ve seen benchmarks, and i have my own personal experience with the ryzen 9 5950x and temps get up to 85-88c during 35degree summers where i live, while playing poor optimized games, (like need for speed heat and many more) i cant imagine the temps on the ryzen 9 7950x with more wattage requirements. I am thinking about building a new pc using ryzen 7950x or the new 9000x ones that are about to come out, you think ill always see temps lower than 88? if yes, ill gladly use the nh-d15 or other highend air cooler, but the benchmarks ive seen 360 AIOs always performe 5-10 degrees less, and since we are talking about pushing 90 degrees seems like a smart idea. But if you have personal experience with air cooler in a 7950x + 4-5 fans on the case and seeing less than 90c (in the summer) less than 80 during winter , i ll glady stick to aircooling . Sorry for the huge text

@@MakTheSank You would see better performance for cooling with a 360 or bigger AIO or a heavier duty 360 AIO used as fresh air intake.

Very similar (slightly better with fresh CPUs, maybe slightly worse with used ones): noctua.at/pub/media/wysiwyg/Base_convexity_6_Thermal_performanceIntel_Core_i9-13900K_250W-01.jpg

@@NoctuaVideos Thanks for your reply. Can I ask why are the screw heads changed to Torx from the old Philips heads?

dont have to worry about the pump failing or the AIO leaking tho, and might last for years

A Noctua cooler or most air coolers will last you a lifetime though, that can't be said about AIO. And with Noctua you will get free mounting brackets for future CPUs forever and free replacement parts. People also need to realize that not everyone has the space for a 420 or even 360 AIO.

@@kwedl Well, then I'd just buy a Thermalright cooler at $40 that outperforms the current NH-D15?

@@michalsvihla1403 the point still stands tbh, air cooler will always last longer than aios.

@@tonyy.8852I feel like the point was that this is expensive

Round version is already available, square frame version is scheduled to follow in September.

@@NoctuaVideos last question NF-A12x25 PWM or next gen?

That's the price of the research for the last bits. Noctua fans tho will likely never fail compared to others.

@TheRealBix Noctua hasn't really kept up with modern pricing. Air coolers needn't be as expensive as they used to be.

We will see

Yes, by 0.5°C at 4x the price.

@@michalsvihla1403 I am highly curious if the fan sync/offset function makes it way more quiet in comparison. Even if it only matches the (current) way cheaper thermalright coolers.

@@marcelmathes You could sync/offset your own fans if you just plug them into different headers.

@@michalsvihla1403 yeah, true

Thema ist auch, dass die AIO früher oder später Probleme machen wird, sei es die Pumpe, irgendein Leck oder auch dass etwas korrodiert etc.

or Standard AM5 with offset

@@peterers3 Did you look the table shown

Sure, that's entirely fine, can't go wrong with the regular version! :)

We see better results with washers, that's why: noctua.at/pub/media/wysiwyg/Base_convexity_6_Thermal_performanceIntel_Core_i9-13900K_250W-01.jpg

@@NoctuaVideos Is that with a frame you guys made or from your competitors?

When I think of Thermalright the first thing that comes to mind is minimum wage.

​@@jamesm568spending more money = more happiness 👍

@@Atilolzz I don't think of quality when it comes to Thermalright as a lot of their products are a hit and miss as Noctua doesn't have a reputation for that. I use Thermalright products myself when I'm building low-end computers for people.

​@@jamesm568What's wrong with having something that's budget oriented and works? There's a time and place for everything and if you're trying to maximize your performance to dollar ratio, a 40 dollar cooler than does the job a 120 one is a no brainer. It's not low income, it's just smart. Noctua products have their purpose being tanks to be used time and time again into the future, but for the average consumer a 40 dollar peerless assassin is perfect.

@@bottomtext5872 There's nothing wrong using a product of your choice, but I don't usually pick a product because it is cheaper as I pick a product based on its reputation of the company it comes from. Thermalright is an old school company, but Noctua has a solid reputation of quality products and outstanding support. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives out there in the PC world, but people still go for them more expensive ones regardless.

what is chromax black then, i just got one, calm down bro

It's ILM pressure that's causing Intel LGA1700 CPUs to become concave and there is absolutely no way that they could be flattened by putting on a concave cooler. More importantly, contact quality and cooling performance would be downright horrible with contact only occurring at the north and south side edges of the IHS. Having good centre contact is vital for achieving good contact quality and performance on LGA1700 and this only possible with a convex contact surface.

@@NoctuaVideos The ILM concentrates the pressure at the middle of the CPU. It bends because the socket is pushing up on the edges. Applying pressure to the edges in the opposite direction will reduce the shear and therefore reduce the deflection. If the heat sink were truly so flexible that it could not straighten the CPU, then nothing would be lost with concavity because the concave heatsink would conform to the CPU and produce contact across the entire face. Saying that contact around the edges would cause horrible performance is surprising hyperbole from a company that markets premium thermal pastes. It must be of no value at all if twenty-five microns of thermal paste completely destroys the performance

In a configuration like this, you should typically see 2-3°C better temps with the standard G2 and 3-4°C with the HBC version.

The pricing is insane. 150 USD Not worth the money

It's scheduled for the first half of next year.

@@NoctuaVideos ok thx

@@NoctuaVideos I know that, like it or not, this is noctua brand classic color scheme and overtime it became a matter of prestige ofc, still have you ever considered to release another version of the same fan? like: classic color scheme, full black, black frame with brown fan. I'm quite sure it would rock, especially with new chassis from fractal even tho more and more brands are thinking about using wood in their chassis, which typically come in black or white

Thank you for your suggestion, let's see what the future will bring! ;)