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Ehh petty and violent crime stopped seems like a win in Gotham

@@Slipperyslope333 Between the lessor of two evils, batman and his family are meant to choose neither.

​@@stunfiredon't even mind that comment. Look at the username, pretty sure it's troll. But you're correct it's completely out of character for all of them

​@stunfire it's basically like a comic where the bat family thinks killing villans is acceptable because it saves citizens. (I know Jason semi agrees with that mindset, and I personally agree with it, but the bat family would never.)

The craziest part about this story is the Bat Family is actively helping her. Like sure, if they believe trading crimes is what’s good for Gotham, it doesn’t mean they help out Cat-Woman and her goons.

​@@mrdude88Exactly, I think Catwoman's plan is at least on the short-term fairly solid and can understand why members of the family would agree BUT Jason helping teach GTA? That's just weird and unnecessary, that is where I am at the moment and I have a feeling that it's only going to get further off the rails from here.

It's called woke writers. A female is never wrong and a rich white male is the the bad guy. Just watch The Batman.

Damian kept his mask on too

@@StarKaiser2 Ok, but he most likely only did it to copy his father.

And who the Hell would possibly work for him?! He's so insane he's barely capable of coherent speech. Can you really imagine that guy paying his henchmen a living wage? Pyg's really out of it.

would you be happy to know that Joker was the one that helped Jason get better?

​@yellowbones Just finished reading The Man Who Stopped Laughing and it was pretty poetic 😂

does it tho? in all media I've seen her she acted the way she did because she was selfish. Even when she helped Batman it was because she liked him (aka made her feel good) not because of wanting to help or stuff like that. The only reasonable exception I can think of was the Injustice universe, but tons of people died there and her change of heart might've been due to that.

I have a feeling you're a big fan of Deathstroke.

The idea is that most criminals in Gotham aren’t violent bc they are crazy wack jobs like the main villains, just ppl who are doing what they need to in order to survive. That’s important bc it means that they are only violent when being the henchmen is their only real option. So if you take these criminals, train them in non violent criminal skills(from what I’ve seen they aren’t given combat training just specifically theft) and then target the corrupt rich people and not the avg Gotham resident, you get a Gotham with less violent crime, safer civilians, and a criminal underworld ran by people who at least have standards. That’s more than Batman has ever achieved. Jason was right abt Batman, he never listened to them bc accepting an alternative destroys the need for a Batman, and he’s nothing without it

I mean, there’s still quite a bit of that.

Wasn't Joker on his bullshit not even a year ago?

Those were criminals not villains

What's the difference lol@@Slipperyslope333

She handled ivy before but as far as joker if she got the bat fam as backup she's good

@@davonross1022 Everyone’d beat Ivy. She has all this power and get beats by normal humans.

@@McKnighty she more of a eco psycho than a serial killer

I mean... Didn't she kind of do that by basically removing their manpower?

And how well has Bruce's plans worked for 99 percent of his rogues gallery? All he has ever done is sent the people he took down into the revolving door that is Arkham or blackgate. Selina knows it's not that simple, and ironically enough she has done a better job reforming criminals like Harley and Ivy whenever the three of them are together than Bruce ever has. It's the same with Jason and his view on certain criminals. Bruce's problem is he believes his way is the only way. And it drives many of the bat family away from him at one point or another.

​@@darryljack6612Agree to a degree. While I personally align with Red Hood's usual, or original line of thinking, that it's death or reform, jail is pointless. But for this event or story I would have to side with Batman. Crime is crime, Batman cannot choose what crime is punishable or not. What is today's thief is tomorrow's murderer.

@@DeanVarney Crime is Crime, but Batman himself is (by the standards of the law) a criminal. Breaking and Entering, illegal surveillance, child endangerment, misappropriation of assets and or funds, at times assault. The list could probably go on and on. So to say his form of crime is okay, but hers isn't when both are in the pursuit to help people would be hypocritical. At the very least if trying to maintain the notion of "crime is crime". Especially when Batman's actions have led to death and murder.

@@darryljack6612yeah Bruce’s entire mission relies on him not thinking abt the fact that(unless vigilantism is legal in the DC universe and idk if it’s ever been stated to be so) he’s also a criminal

Yeah

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Robin

They just both are Robin right now and if you ask me Damian the one who gotta change. Tim is the epitome of Robin to me anyway

@@IndraTyde I read somewhere Damian is going by "Prince of Crows".

@@shumworld probably just an alias. Similar to how Joker is known as the "crown prince of crime" in gotham. Everyone just calls him joker.

@@shumworldThe currently ongoing book titled Batman & Robin that is set in present day and started around the same time Gotham War did is about Bruce and Damian

That what the red hood did while ago

Let's face it DC is just looking for a way to kill him off again like before I gotta say the Jason Todd hype has fallen off since the red hood movie for me seriously if DC just up and killed off Jason again that would be the only way to get him back to prominence

He lost it because Ghostmaker cut his hand off. This happened during the last story where Batman was teleported to another universe because of Failsafe.

@@edwinseda897 thank you!

...no? A few of them tried seeing it from Selina's POV seeing as it was taking away the manpower from supervillains, but only Jason actually sided with her. Then with how a possessed Batman reacted to that, Nightwing opposed him. Then when Batman tied them all up and left them all to the authorities like common criminals, the others opposed him. All of this happened well after he woke back up. Did you just not read or watch this?

​@@llamaczech They meant that it's out of character for EVERY member of the batfamily save for Damien turning on Bruce. Jason isn't even siding with her, earnestly he points out that he was deliberately messing with that duo of thugs he was training because he knew they were just gonna go bad later anyways. He only pretended to side with Selina so he could have time alone with that duo, as they had prior work experience with the Joker. In typical Jason fashion, he's more looking out for himself while also trying to rile Bruce up as much as possible, but he definitely doesn't side with Selina.

I think Gotham war is after the joker war, having been the most recent comic saga that involves the bat family as a whole. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Jason Todd (Red Hood) should still have a strained relationship with Bruce due to the mind control thing. Honestly, I can't forgive Bruce for that

​@@LuisHernandez-yy4yvngl I think Jason is always going to have a strained relationship with Bruce, brainwashed or not

I think with so much history it’s just more difficult to create something new while audiences have become older and more sophisticated. It’s no longer kids reading it.

I agree. I don't like how Bruce's has been solely about him stopping crime because while that's understandable, it's tainted by his own trauma that he refuses to get help for. What I mean is that he sees everything in black and white. Crime is bad and playing vigilante is good. Ok but what about the other people that are doing this to survive? What about the people who need the money to pay for hospital operations, medical bills, who are literally on their last legs? Fathers and mothers doing whatever they can to provide for their kids? What about kids who are starving and dying on the streets? He may be saving people but at the end of the day, he's leaving behind more victims, some even more desperate than before, who turn into more criminals. He's just making a never-ending cycle when he should be doing more to fix Gotham. Hell, become mayor even! Because being Batman seems to be becoming pointless at this point. At least Selina's method of stealing from the rich without violence works far better than continously beating up criminals and leaving victims to fend for themselves.

True but you forget Joker and all the other villains can kill their henchmen in retaliation and court of owls wouldn't stand for an upstart prostitute stealing from them and Go to war with Selina killing her people too plus telling Bruce to leave them alone means he wouldn't help her either

​@@talon532meh if Batman beyond taught me anything Bruce would have just stayed in the brown stone away from everyone and let Gotham fall

@@StarKaiser2 Selina took most henchmen away from their former groups. That was the point. Also, COOs would never intervene as they know how protected they were with how Gotham was being run

@@yellowbones tell that to the new chapters but also they are rich and wouldn't like be robbed by anyone, also Scarecrow was able to kill that fat guy and Joker surprised his ex henchmen it wouldn't be to hard to for them to find and kill them also Pyg can turn them into dolltrons, and even without henchmen they can cause trouble and another factor is most other Gotham villains were out during the Joker vs Joker thing and Joker will cause chaos with or without henchmen