22:50 - Penguin was a child murderer. Batman reads about this while researching Penguins background with the circus because he knows he's head of the red triangle gang. It's in the newspaper article he reads in the Batcave with Alfred. It's implied but never proven. His whole MO for coming back into society was to carry out the murders of the first born children of Gotham, as way of revenge for what happened to him. He first made himself seem sympathetic and a hero by staging saving the mayor's son and looking up his back story of rejection by his own parents to fool Gotham into empathy with him. You see penguin in the public records writing down all the children's details. His plan to kill the children was side tracked by Shrek who proposed he become Mayor (for shreks own agenda to get the power plant built because he seen how the public reacted to him). It appeared Penguin was enjoying the power and elation that being in potential to office brought him. Catwoman sees the list of children he was planing on killing when she visits his office "what's this, already an enemies list and not even in office yet?" penguin snatches at it and warns her away from the list. It's Only when Shrek turned his back on him (whether or not he knew what Shrek was using him for or not, Im not sure) - after Batman played the soundbite "I've played this stinkin city, like a harp from hell" - did penguin revert back to his original murderous plan.

penguin: i'll rather fill her void lol

Now I'm annoyed that Max wasn't called Rupert Thorne! :) I never thought about it before.

My perspective they're both equalivlent blockbuster classics.

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I think this was my first live action Batman movie! I had the VHS when I was kid, and watched it over and over again... I was born in 1992 lol, and I was like four maybe five years watching Catwoman run around in a skin tight suit and the Penguin biting a guy's nose off

The amount of likes (27 at the time) made me like, subscribe because this is the type of show I would've done because I'm a Batman nut (not a lot of surprises in the podcast honestly). You guys are great.

Oh, chemistry between Keaton and Pfeiffer is definitely real in this one. I love every scene with them. The whole mistletoe thing with that double reveal is great, both being unable to live normal life etc. To me this movie is about failure.

The McDonald's toy Penguin was definitely based on the Danny Devito one from the film.

The Box Office was still an issue. While it did make a considerable profit, it cots twice as much as the first one and grossed about $150-million less. It certainly underperformed and was considered a box office disappointment.

It’s interesting that Batman never quite buys into The Penguin and his story. Even though you see he sympathizes with him, he also suspicious and I think it’s literally what Alfred says to him in the cave researching the Red Triangle Gang “Must you be the only lonely man-beast?” And what Penguin says to him being jealous because he’s a genuine freak and Batman has to wear a mask.

We wouldn't have the Marvel cinematic universe without this movie

Batman Returns is a very interesting movie. I think overtime it has developed into a cult movie and is very niche. Like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, it has its fans. I like Batman Returns a bit more than BvS, but to each their own. I do think there is a lot to admire about this movie, I think for Tim Burton fans there is a lot to enjoy.

I have to disagree about Batman and Robin being Schumacher unchained. The studio interference pushing for toyetic qualities and family-friendliness was even stronger than it was for Batman Forever. I think Schumacher unchained would have been closer to The Lost Boys.

I agree. Returns (which is the first movie I paid for) is the better movie.

Selina Kyle was murdered in this movie, Catwoman is Basically a living dead girl, who was possessed by Cats.

I saw the original on the big screen but watched the shit out of the vhs. With all it's faults as a Batman film, it's still an entertaining original vision.

Catwoman stole nothing? Catwoman stole my heart. Sorry Hathaway, not sorry Barry, Pfeiffer is Catwoman. Pun intentionally ignored, she's perfect in this. I knew it BEFORE my balls worked, too, by the way. 😝 So it's not all vacuum-sealed hormones.