Nice job, such a comparison John!! Never seen before. love it! Cheers Onno.

Very interesting video John. It’s nice to be able to compare manufacturers versions. Thanks for sharing. Roy.

They both look great and like so many times two manufacturers see thing differently. Glad you got the problem worked out😊

Morning John, glad you're happy with the running now, it's such a shame these things aren't tested fully at manufacture, not everyone is as capable or as diligent as you, so I can see a lot of disappointed modelers out there. I do admire your ability to work through these problems and indeed have the means of printing parts to gain a satisfactory resolution. I know your picadilly line is your first love, but I really do love this 00 layout, I like the idea of a slightly run down station on a main line, and now you can continuously run ,for me it's the ultimate in enjoyment. Thanks for all you do your extremely skillfull and the information you put out there is helpful, it all helps make a difference to a fantastic hobby. You take care looking forward to the next one on either layout, Eddy xx

Thank you for this. I am on the verge of returning to railway modelling and frankly I find this review worrying. The idea that I might spend that amount of money on a model and then find that it derails going over it’s first set of points seems ridiculous. I have seen a number of videos about these class 37s and for the most part they are off putting. Your review is very thorough and includes some minor issues that probably would not bother me too much, such as time delay in switching lights, but derailing on points or 2nd radius curves is completely out of order. At least you didn’t have a problem with the actual motor on the Accurascale model, which several other channels have done. Thanks for posting this thorough review.

Two great models John and I’m looking forward to my Accurascale 37 to arrive . Cheers Kev

An excellent review, well worth the watch so thank you John. (Just a quick mention about your audio levels dropping off on some of the commentary......don't move away from the microphone!) Regards Julian

One difference between 402 and 430 is the era, 402 is modern DRS, with LED style lighting and the multiple working socket, whereas 430 is BR era, with no kickplate like the BR prototypes, and the tail lights are the older style, I have an accurascale one and it is brilliant, but its interesting to see the differences, I think the accurascale is better as the snowploughs are outstanding and I much prefer the magnetic roof on the Accurascale for easy DCC fitment

On a fresh painted loco the fan room bracings below the fan would be grey and would get black over time as that area of the loco gets grubby over time . Fitting snowploughs to 37's were a right pain. Most had to be custom built to the loco as the pipe were not always in the same position if switched around with another 37. Good to see that they have reg air pipes fitted on the buffer beam. These are for multi working and are painted white, with 0 to 50 psi of air in them . 50 psi being full engine revs. The middle plough was held by two pins and the outers were bolted to the frame four bolts per side. We encountered a lot of plough damage due to them hitting certain types of buffer stops. The outer ploughs were also adjustable via a screw. These models are very good . All we need now it smoke and they would be perfect

The reason 430 hast got some details that 402 has eg ploughs, kick plates, eth socket in the nose, is because 430 is a modelled as she was in the 80s and 402 is modelled in her current form under drs ownership so she will have more up to date features that a 1980s 37 wouldn’t have.

Good review, I have worked on both full sized versions when at Cardiff Canton

I think you've given a fair review, John, and would agree with you about the sound file for the Accurascale.

Worked these double headed Welbeck colliery to Toton in the 70s with 43 mgrs coal good days, Stabled at Shirebrook West, Now all gone.

A very interesting review John, thank you. I don’t have either of these high fidelity models & was curious to see how they compared. The only other criteria of course is of cost. I believe there is quite a difference on price between the two….

Excellent review John many thanks! British diesels are not my cup of tea but there is no denying these are magnificent models. Cheers, Joachim

The slow response of the lights is purely down to the way the decoder is programmed. It is easily changed through CV settings

This will be an interesting one. I have 2 Bachmann 37’s and the the new Accurascale………..I’ll comment again in 30 minutes!! 👍

Hi John….. I enjoyed your review, I think in recent years, Accurascale have jumped up the leader board as a manufacturer of high quality detailed models at competitive prices…. Hornby and Bachmann are having to up their game. Regards… Steve 👍

What can i say John..The both of them are Awesome. Faults and all.

Hi John. That was one excellent review! My opinoion kept swinging one way or the other through out the entire video. My first impression and something that you didn't mention was the paintwork. 430 semmed to be more of a Network Southeast blue where as 402 seemed to be more accurate. Lighting, yes it is clear that Bachmnn holds that one as it does with the sound chips etc. I have to admit though that I have a bias to 430 as I knew it well when we had it at the Llangollen railway. It arrived in dutch livery with snow plows before being repainted into BR blue and numbered 6430 :) At the endof the day I would prefer the Bachman model but Accurascale are producing some very fine models these days and as you say, it is very close. I'm surprised that t402 came with the NEM pocket issue though. I'm unsure how that got through the QA process! Anyway, thank you again for this video. I found it to be very insiteful :) Cheers Mav

The sound decoder is the ESU loksound V4, I fitted one to my DRS Bachmann 37 and it sounded awesome, this is quite an old version now, being released a good 7 years ago, but still ticks all the boxes...

Great comparison, I only have the Accurascale 37's so interesting to see how good the newly tooled Bachmann's are. With the Accurascale ploughs, the nem pocket needs to be removed and it will then run with ploughs and hoses without derailing on curves. I agree some of the holes need a bit of drilling to better fit the hoses, but worth it to get the "look"

Hi John excellent review of the two models. I've not received my accurascale 37 yet so can't comment. I do like my bachmann 37s though although I've fitted roads n rails sound which I feel is slightly better than the bachmann plus I've fitted 2 megabase speakers. I'll have to compare when mine arrive. They do both look fantastic though. Atb Andy

Hi, great video on the leading class 37's on the market, i had an issue with my nuclear flask wagons, i contacted them and they sorted it out, could you please let them know that the locos are not being packaged vey well, it looks like they have taken 1 loco box out and packed the remaining one in the box sent from china! it wouldn't take a lot to actually wrap the main loco box it bubble pack wrapping and not just to rest the bubble pack on top, surely somebody is inspecting the packaging as those locos aren't cheap, thanks for sharing.

if the bachmann one had a better speaker and was cheaper it would get extra points...

Fabulous review, i have the Bachmann 37 from 2005 I've only just decided to fit the snowploughs at both ends . I think Bachmans idea of having the snowplough in 3 pieces is better as i simply left the central part off allowing for the coupler . I also had to snip off a very small amount of vacuum hose at the number 1 end allowing for the central part off the snowplough . This may be different on the latest model 🙂

Only 2 clips of the locos actually running in the full video- still a very detailed comparison of the two

the nem pocket on the accurascale model can indeed be removed. i have removed mine before and clipped them back in.

I only have one 37 and that's a Bachmann 37 558 that's in the livery like 37 430 you have ! I am well pleased with it. I never had a single issue with it! I do feel that Accurascale are releasing models with small niggles that really should be addressed before release? I personally think I would go Bachmann out of the two . Having to do these modifications on a high-end model is ridiculous! I'm not won over by the new company as of yet!

I had the same issue with the nem socket and the plough but it just pulls straight out same design as the 55 and 92, comes out to easy really had to add a little glue on the 55 and 92 to keep the rear ones in.

great review but detail accuracy? window aperture and glazing, which is pretty vital for a class 37 model.

Excellent review. I to own both locos, and I have to say it's the Bachmann all the way for me. It feels like their model has evolved and is much more sorted, whereas the Accurascale is the new kid on the block and it's not quite sure what it's trying to do. The Accurascale is incredibly detailed but this appears to be at expense of quality. It's definitely no SLW Class 24. Those roof hatch hinges and the like actually spoil the model more than enhance it. Lots of tiny niggles but they all add up to be very frustrating. The Bachmann sound version has all the right sounds and functions and they perform brilliantly. The Accurascale has best engine sound but other sounds/functions are poor, the marker lights are extra poor, and as you say the lighting functions are frustratingly slow...cab, head and tail lights. My Acc arrived with chipped paint, missing a lamp iron.....and big finger print on the glazing. Faults can be sorted but it's just a nuisance...it's not like it's the first time I've had problems with Accurascale products!

How is the decoder set up straight out of the box for the sound ACCS version? My bachmann 37deluxe has been set up just about correct running wise and I havent fiddled with any cv's of note

Interesting video. Sorry you seem to have had issues with derailing. I’ve not fitted any of the detail pack yet……. Maybe I’ll leave the snowplough as mine doesn’t de-rail. One of my 2 Bachmann does however de-rail from time to time…… and it has the snowplough fitted. The other Bachmann without runs fine 🤔. Happy with all my 37’s to be honest think my Accurascale pips it purely because it is sound fitted 👍

It’s hard to say who wins. I only have the older Bachmann 37 (which is still great), and both of these are clearly ahead of these new ones, however that comes at a price, and due to price differences, I’d actually have to say I prefer the Accurascale model, as both are extremely good, and it is almost impossible to pick between the two of them, however, I am on a bit of a budget, so considering that the price difference between the two models (sound fitted/analog, not the deluxe Bachmann one) is about £40, that automatically makes Accurascale win since both models are equally as good for the most part. On the other hand, it does suck that you can’t do the cold start with the Accurascale one, as that is a feature that I value, and it did seem as if the solution for fitting the plows was not that well thought out on Accurascale’s, even though it was three pieces instead of one. I also think that many parts on the Accurascale one are finer scale, but at the end of the day, pricing is important to me, and if two models are both close to, if not equally as good, I will always go for the cheaper option.

Hi John, enjoyed the comparison your review seems fair and well put. Just one point did you say the Accurascale does not have cold start or is my selective hearing playing up again ? I have an Accurascale 37026 and this does have this feature on the loco by engaging F8 whilst starting i wonder if this is a loco specific feature. Apologies if i have got the wrong end of your comment, look forward to your next upload. Cheers

Fair review. But 2 different colours of the blue, and the A/S model looks better On the front windscreens.

All that packing around the model is so it can survive a six foot drop test. No kidding, they actually drop them from six foot. Any damage is usually by the postal service.

ERRRM WELL, YES… The video flipped upside for the intro, I know… am I worried - no, the rest I think is ok lol. Oh well…

Hardly anything between them i would say main reason for choosing either would come down to price

In my opinion I've got the new bachmann large logo and the accurascale large logo. For me the yellow on the accurascale looks too plasticity and bachmann wins for me.

My 66 has just arrived packed the same bubble wrap at top model at bottom? Its ok though.

very interesting and informative, thankyou, if i win on the horses i would probably go with the accurascale 37 ,dcc ready and fit a esu with a comprehensive sound file and buy something for it to pull, which would probably still be cheaper than the bachmann sound version, as you say they are both amazing models and i agree 100% horses for courses i suppose and how much money you have😀👍

Should they both be the same colour blue/bluey green or not?

Biggest difference on mine, is the front is very yellow on my Accurascale and very orange on my Bachmann, totally different colours. Bachmann wins, as it has operating roof fans.

Your comparison included everything but the price. Bachmann are way too expensive by comparison

Big difference I notice is the Bachmann's body seems a lot deeper, very noticeable at the yellow section at the front. Not sure which is correct

You can fix the duration it takes to turn on with cv or if you have an ESU lokprogrammer that would do the job easy, but you shouldn’t have to do that out of the box, should be done at the factory

both great models but why does the bachmann cost 40% more..?

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Bachmann definitely has a better chassis.

For me it would be the ViTrains Class 37 as it was made in Italy, not China. Not buying anything made in China this year.

BACHMANN All day long.. So many issues with Accurascale.. Sent 2 back and 2 others will be expensive paperweights.. Accurascale were total ASSES and I ended up cancelling over £5500.00 of pre-orders, of which over £4000.00 were pre-paid.. Got my money back.. Motors stop, sound won't turn off and sound hunts.... NOT WORTH THE MONEY...

Yet again, issues with the NEM socket. I have banged my head against the wall repeatedly over this, an NEM socket IS MEANT TO BE SET TO A STANDARD !!! and as yet, very few British Outline models meet this. and, until they do realise that it's an international standard, and should be adhered to, then this issue will persist.... get it RIGHT FFS

Looks almost the same. Definitely, they are not identical twins...😂😅

Accurascale wins