Valorant Netcode Analysis

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0:00 Intro
0:59 Network Stats
1:42 AWS Global Accelerator
3:21 Damage behind cover / from the grave
4:12 Tick-rate
5:01 Update Rates
6:25 Network Buffer Stutter
8:17 Network Delay Results
8:58 Refresh Rate & FPS Limiter

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@jony5812
@jony5812 4 жыл бұрын
This guys german accent further solidifies that fact he knows what he is talking about
@RoganPlant
@RoganPlant 3 жыл бұрын
underrated comment
@kipchickensout
@kipchickensout 2 жыл бұрын
I can make a german accent and tell you a bunch of nonsense
@LegitMeow
@LegitMeow 4 жыл бұрын
this is the least clickbaity title I've seen on all of youtube this year
@nahCmeR
@nahCmeR 4 жыл бұрын
Is this also the only video you have watched this year?
@OnlyMeBeingMe
@OnlyMeBeingMe 4 жыл бұрын
@@nahCmeR your comment is bad and you should feel bad
@x1c3x
@x1c3x 4 жыл бұрын
It's a normal title. Maybe you need to find better channels lol.
@fontle2653
@fontle2653 4 жыл бұрын
9Lives have you tried valorant?
@eyeofhorus1301
@eyeofhorus1301 4 жыл бұрын
@@OnlyMeBeingMe your comment is worse and you should feel worse
@bmd103
@bmd103 4 жыл бұрын
apex being dead worst on the chart is still sad to me
@xNothing2Lose
@xNothing2Lose 4 жыл бұрын
I am not surprised tbh. I like Apex, but server structure is not good. Laggy and unresponsive. To be fair, everything we got online these days is amazing. But some things more than others.
@Dwika34
@Dwika34 4 жыл бұрын
hyperscape is super dead
@TheRealWarez
@TheRealWarez 3 жыл бұрын
Apex is the best though.
@VxDxLx
@VxDxLx 3 жыл бұрын
EA sucks nothing new it'd be too expensive for them to justify the effort of even matching pubg which has 60 tic
@MrCharlieASDF
@MrCharlieASDF 4 жыл бұрын
Please do Warzone, I would love an in-depth look at just how broken the netcode that barely holds that game together is.
@qiyuxuan9437
@qiyuxuan9437 3 жыл бұрын
Probably as bad as apex lol. 20hz server😂
@rlenclub
@rlenclub 4 жыл бұрын
Escape From Tarkov and Hyper Scape would be some interesting analyses.
@mr-century
@mr-century 4 жыл бұрын
Would love a tarkov one that game is a fuckin’ enigma
@AdamsS12345
@AdamsS12345 4 жыл бұрын
He did a video about tarkov like 1-2 years ago revealing such shit netcode that the devs wanted to copystrike his vid to take it down. It probably improved since then but its still shit
@Bourinos02
@Bourinos02 4 жыл бұрын
What, people are still playing Aimbotland/lag2death? Interesting...
@Dizintegrator
@Dizintegrator 4 жыл бұрын
Long story short: nothing changed since his original video for Tarkov. (TL;DR: Tarkov netcode is crap, borderline clientside authoritive and delay values are in their 200-500)
@coap819
@coap819 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dizintegrator This is absolutely false. Compared to his original EFT video, the netcode has been massively improved. It's still shit, but way way better.
@sdj33
@sdj33 4 жыл бұрын
I've BEEN waiting for this. Thank you!
@brandon8217
@brandon8217 2 жыл бұрын
The game's current networking definitely does not feel as good as it did when this video was made. I'd be curious to see if the results of this test would be different now.
@TheChosen1inc
@TheChosen1inc 2 жыл бұрын
fr
@clips145
@clips145 4 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for this video. Now I know that all the problems I experience are on my side. Feels good to be able to manage this stuff
@Kryptix0III
@Kryptix0III 4 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this! Thanks.
@Levelonesucks
@Levelonesucks 4 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one. I love this channel so much.
@KHALID47
@KHALID47 4 жыл бұрын
i was waiting for this thank you man keep up the great work
@Bensam123
@Bensam123 4 жыл бұрын
Weird, tick rate has almost always been synonymous with send/receive rate or cmd/update rate. More so then being used as a metric for internal server simulation rate. I've heard internal server rates either being listed as server fps or server sim time. Furthermore there have been scenarios where update or receive rates have been higher then server sim rate, such as with Overwatch originally running at 22fps server sim, but asking clients for more often updates (60 updates) to always have the most up to date snapshot.
@zynius
@zynius 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. We've gotten used to update / command rate being the tick-rate. Maybe because CS:GO matches those values to the server tick rate automatically. It was quite common back in CS 1.6 days for community servers to run at a tick/sim rate of 1000hz even though max update/cmd rates were capped at 100. I'm quite surprised valorant's update and cmd rates are not 128.
@DonAbaddonn
@DonAbaddonn 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent work as always Battle(non)sense !! Keep it up man! ✊🏾
@m_proved5759
@m_proved5759 4 жыл бұрын
great video. very easy to understand! that network buffer setting is concerning tho.
@asmoKPlayzGames
@asmoKPlayzGames 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, very informative!
@krocketonboost5236
@krocketonboost5236 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if someone from infinity ward could grasp this concept.
@3ric585
@3ric585 4 жыл бұрын
Lul
@Makaveli6103
@Makaveli6103 4 жыл бұрын
Or Respawn
@hugopfeffer4175
@hugopfeffer4175 4 жыл бұрын
Competitive game vs casual game. It isn't in their interest nor it's the goal of the game. Valorant is almost exclusively aimed towards competitive. Besides 128tick servers are costly to maintain.
@krocketonboost5236
@krocketonboost5236 4 жыл бұрын
@@hugopfeffer4175 And they literally make billions of dollars from this one title.
@headphonesz6527
@headphonesz6527 4 жыл бұрын
@@hugopfeffer4175 Shooting first, dying first, is COD. Which is why I don't play on those Chinese spyware servers
@Luzyvert
@Luzyvert 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this man, was worried about u actually
@Helli4458
@Helli4458 4 жыл бұрын
As always you made an amazing video and provided so much information
@apubetico
@apubetico 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for giving us all this info! keep up the good work
@breakies
@breakies 4 жыл бұрын
oh boy, ive been waiting for this video
@WilliamTheGamer
@WilliamTheGamer 4 жыл бұрын
Warzone is in desperate need for some netcode understanding. I know you did Modern Warfare already, but I can get 30ms ping in multiplayer, and 120ms in Warzone. Then you have streamers that maintain a constant 30-40ms in Warzone.. like HOW. I feel like it's a route issue as you mention.
@SoIoCreep
@SoIoCreep 4 жыл бұрын
There are netduma routers that you can set to only connect you to low ping servers. Maybe that is the reason.
@BattleNonSense
@BattleNonSense 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the Warzone servers use different datacenters than the normal multiplayer modes. Hence your ping is much higher in Warzone, which runs on servers much further away. That is the only explanation I have for this. O.o
@skiderz_
@skiderz_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@BattleNonSense warzone servers connect me n my frens in same squad to servers with different ping when we have the same ISP and country haha
@WilliamTheGamer
@WilliamTheGamer 4 жыл бұрын
@@BattleNonSense Could there be a routing issue that happens with Warzone servers to cause such high lag though? Gigabit Connection straight into an SB8200 doesn't improve it. I jump into Blackout and I'm greeted by a 40-50ms match instantly. Even those servers were kind of weird compared to their multiplayer servers.
@arthurcorenzan
@arthurcorenzan 4 жыл бұрын
My issue with Warzone is the packet loss, that I don't seem to get in any other game. According to the monitor in game I get losses of about 15%-20% very often and sometimes spikes of 70%-100%. Again, I don't have this in any other multiplayer game I play like EFT, Valorant, or Overwatch.
@Hirens.
@Hirens. 4 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work Chris!
@BromTeque
@BromTeque 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you did a video on Valorant. Hope you'll post more videos on the game as it gets more refined. Quick question: Are you planning to do a video on the "new" Windows feature, GPU Scheduling?
@krandeloy
@krandeloy 4 жыл бұрын
Damn fine job as usual. Thank you your efforts.
@Artichokeee
@Artichokeee 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the visuals in the intro
@PepegaFinally
@PepegaFinally 4 жыл бұрын
Finally! nice work :)
@jamessydney3164
@jamessydney3164 4 жыл бұрын
Very good, as always!
@BloodBite
@BloodBite 4 жыл бұрын
Chris, awesome work overall. +1 Sub
@andli
@andli 4 жыл бұрын
Great, factual, well informed! Thanks
@kaukey
@kaukey 4 жыл бұрын
Might have to give it a try
@Baczywas
@Baczywas 4 жыл бұрын
Great work
@fallofmanbrand
@fallofmanbrand 4 жыл бұрын
awesome video keep up the amazing content
@Barc0d3
@Barc0d3 4 жыл бұрын
Bravo sir, quality video!
@fwabble
@fwabble Жыл бұрын
Again one of the best and most underappreciated channels on all of youtube.
@condorado
@condorado 4 жыл бұрын
Gr8 and informative Video as always. I just wish you would have tested situations where 1 players has good ping whilst the other doesn't and how lag comp affects it.
@complexxl9
@complexxl9 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see how Hunt: Showdown compares to all these major fps giants, maybe it would partly reveal why it is such a niche game.
@MarikHavair
@MarikHavair 3 жыл бұрын
100% Hunt has the problem he mentioned after the 10min mark in his 101 video, their servers aren't completing the necessary calculations in the allotted time frame. Anecdotal evidence: Rubber-banding teleportation, being thrown into the air randomly. etc. I've literally been teleported into a building while walking alongside it before, right into that room on the West wing of Fort's North boss lair that has a window that can't be vaulted from outside North and a barricaded door South. Both were closed, unfortunately I didn't have my recording software enabled for that moment, was hilarious. Of course I make this statement as a nobody with no intimate experience in computer networking.
@FOGoticus
@FOGoticus Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think it's high and mighty time you re-make this video today. I think quite a bit has changed since the making of this video.
@itos191
@itos191 4 жыл бұрын
Yo if you havent already you should do a netcode analysis in Melee's Project SLippi and Rollback. Would be super interesting! Thanks for the great content
@Real28
@Real28 4 жыл бұрын
Yes the buffer thing is funny. I would just always set it to Maximum so it will make my enemies have to look at a model jittering about.
@heathkidd
@heathkidd 4 жыл бұрын
good video nice and focused
@RicardoVelazquez
@RicardoVelazquez 4 жыл бұрын
hey Kris, its been awhile since i watched your video. im sorry about that. you always have the most information for gamer'
@fallofmanbrand
@fallofmanbrand 4 жыл бұрын
nice video dude
@danman9847
@danman9847 4 жыл бұрын
I was really hoping to see the difference 20, 50, 80 and 100 ping in game tested to see peekers advantage and what not.
@prinnyreturn
@prinnyreturn 4 жыл бұрын
Would be nice if you talked about the hit reg cause I've heard people complaining about it a lot. Great video though!
@FlipsMG
@FlipsMG 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you redo this now that Riot supposedly has "fixed" the netcode with 4.10
@Albert-III
@Albert-III 4 жыл бұрын
Love these videos, idk if you have a guide on how to extrapolate your methods to new games but I’m going to try and see where I get analysing star citizen based on your videos. It’s an alpha game so won’t mean much but would be interesting to me as a test
@BattleNonSense
@BattleNonSense 4 жыл бұрын
I tested Star Citizen ages ago - sadly since then the networking has hardly changed. They keep delaying the big updates.
@arynlupini5887
@arynlupini5887 4 жыл бұрын
Any plans on revisiting Escape from Tarkovs netcode? Would love to see if they actually did anything about it!
@MeetHaoLi
@MeetHaoLi 4 жыл бұрын
So, because of lag compensation sometimes the player with higher ping can be at an advantage?
@megacosmic6507
@megacosmic6507 4 жыл бұрын
Would be refreshing to see some settings for windows tested for input latency (the most important for competitive play for any game). It seems so hard to measure with all things like HAGS, FSO etc effecting it.
@DocHolliday69
@DocHolliday69 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on the Windows 10 FSE and FSO screen modes and which is better? I don’t know if it’s a placebo or enabling FSE do actually helps in competitive games.
@BlueLightningSky
@BlueLightningSky 4 жыл бұрын
So if I want to be harder to hit I turn up network buffering? Kinda weird they let you do this when they don't have any way to interpolate animations for the other players.
@muhammad24able
@muhammad24able 4 жыл бұрын
Its a good to know knowledge
@smashishere
@smashishere 3 ай бұрын
so if i set it to maximum buffer i would appear choppy and stuttery to the enemies right? which would be an advantage for me
@DANNYonPC
@DANNYonPC 4 жыл бұрын
Finally some dark mode visuals !
@igorthelight
@igorthelight 4 жыл бұрын
+1
@georgeabyss1316
@georgeabyss1316 4 жыл бұрын
thank you for your great analysis. What i am taking from here: the update rate seems to correlate with the client fps, I have a 60hz 4k display and run it with freesync. What is more important for a smooth expierience? Stable frame times or higher update rate?
@igorthelight
@igorthelight 4 жыл бұрын
Stable frame times feels smoother and easier to control your character
@channelthepigslove
@channelthepigslove 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a modern warfare input latency test with the games custom fps limiter vs river tuners?
@rickporter8088
@rickporter8088 3 жыл бұрын
Do Hunt: Showdown next please! And thanks for the awesome content!
@drdunningat
@drdunningat 4 жыл бұрын
would be great if you could analyse diabotical!
@nexuhs.
@nexuhs. Жыл бұрын
Late question, what's valorants packet size? CS2 seems to be 1301 per packet
@Xerathiel
@Xerathiel 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a netcode analysis on the game "Black Desert Online". Pretty sure many streamers would want to help you since we have an issue with desync quite often
@ahmadadeeb7885
@ahmadadeeb7885 4 жыл бұрын
I get in val about 120 ping with 0-40 packet loss...should i use the network buffer ?is it gonna help by any chance?
@leewilliams955
@leewilliams955 4 жыл бұрын
Any plans to do another apex server analysis video. I contently get 2 packet loss
@SangheiliSpecOp
@SangheiliSpecOp 4 жыл бұрын
Has anyone ever told you that you have the perfect voice for youtube? If not, then you heard it here first lol
@Primeyy
@Primeyy 4 жыл бұрын
Not really.
@BattleNonSense
@BattleNonSense 4 жыл бұрын
@Way Better thats why I include the subtitles. 😉
@1IGG
@1IGG 4 жыл бұрын
@@parahodika I find him easy to understand. But I am German, so I am used to the accent.
@TheKennyWorld
@TheKennyWorld 4 жыл бұрын
@@BattleNonSenseI am non native english speaker and i find your accent very clear and easier to understand than a native english speaker. Thank you.
@Harryhillrules
@Harryhillrules 4 жыл бұрын
@@parahodika What? He speaks so well and clearly, I don't think it's BN that's the problem lol
@shadwxh
@shadwxh 4 жыл бұрын
Is it by any chance possible to get Damage behind cover while my latency is between 36-48ms and my enemies are between 10-20ms? I'm asking this because there's a lot of 1v1 situations where you can't win a single trade against low ping players at all. It seems like they can see you 1 second earlier or something. Could Peekers Advantage being the cause of this issue?
@stinky108
@stinky108 4 жыл бұрын
Hi! Do you have 128tick cs:go network lag results? Many thanks
@supergwapodick2128
@supergwapodick2128 2 жыл бұрын
Can you run this test again please. It seems like valorant has netcode issues. Tnx
@GRIMDoZeR
@GRIMDoZeR 4 жыл бұрын
Nice
@Mikerille
@Mikerille 2 жыл бұрын
I’m curious what system you’re running
@bassamtravel
@bassamtravel 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Ok can you make a video on how to manually fix hit Reg in fps games
@igorthelight
@igorthelight 4 жыл бұрын
For developers? :-) If you are asking about players - how could they fix it!
@MaestroOfficial
@MaestroOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
So ur not gonna talk about ferrari peaks, hitreg problems, high vs ping who has advantage? etc
@actuallynotsteve
@actuallynotsteve 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! If you could do Hyper Scape next I'd be super super super super stoked.
@top1percent424
@top1percent424 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do netcode analysis of Apex Legends once again? It's been over a year since your last test. Thank you. Your videos are always very good.
@FunBanan117
@FunBanan117 4 жыл бұрын
Now I curious about Planetside2 and EVEonline analysis
@hybrid1337css
@hybrid1337css 3 жыл бұрын
the thing is, i see this happens to many people with an high end pc whos having low fps in this game i have insane spikes, can you help me ?
@bkrred7638
@bkrred7638 10 ай бұрын
CS2 Netcode Analysis please
@luk3a583
@luk3a583 4 жыл бұрын
We need a fighting game netcode analysis
@sker1213
@sker1213 4 жыл бұрын
Can you update "input lag when gpu above ~90% load" thing? Is it still true for nvidia?
@BattleNonSense
@BattleNonSense 4 жыл бұрын
It is still true and the main reason why both AMD and Nvidia came up with their "Ultra Low Latency" modes to combat the input lag increase which comes from when the GPU is maxed out.
@sker1213
@sker1213 4 жыл бұрын
@@BattleNonSense Thank you for the answer! But isn't ULL bad for gsync? Blurbuster says you should leave this setting off or on (old "1') but not Ultra. (Pretty sure in one of your videos you tested this mode and proved that latency is indeed higher)
@pzogel
@pzogel 4 жыл бұрын
@@BattleNonSense Speaking of updates: Is the 'G-Sync compatible monitors have higher input lag with G-Sync turned off on Nvidia cards' thing still true?
@sker1213
@sker1213 4 жыл бұрын
@@pzogel why would anyone turn it off? everything just looks better with vsync, and gsync is the only way to use it without input lag...
@pzogel
@pzogel 4 жыл бұрын
@@sker1213 There are various reasons for disabling G-Sync, e.g. when there is no way to limit FPS, lag will increase whenever the range is exceeded, only disabling G-Sync can prevent that from happening. Added lag with G-Sync disabled is clearly unintended behaviour and should be fixed accordingly.
@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur
@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur 4 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a Call of Duty Warzone server ticket rate analysis for 2020, Please! I think it's 20hz, but I would like to know if it was upgraded or downgraded since custom matches run at 12hz!
@Shadowyurix
@Shadowyurix 4 жыл бұрын
Do escape from tarkov next :D Nice Video!
@rainrandomnumber
@rainrandomnumber 4 жыл бұрын
everyone is going to set that option so their characters lag for others..
@dopaakil4136
@dopaakil4136 4 жыл бұрын
it also makes you lag it's not really good I have it on because my internet is really limited but holy crap it makes things worse most of the times because sometimes you might fail jumps or stutter behind or land at the same place twice or something it's really bad but also I have to leave it on to maintain 160+ FPS or otherwise I have to decrease my FPS to less than 96 FPS so the stupid server doesn't take up my whole bandwidth
@bodacious12
@bodacious12 4 жыл бұрын
I had set it to medium thinking it would help lag spikes
@cloud8150
@cloud8150 3 жыл бұрын
do a nvidia reflex low latency test pls
@drakeonbr
@drakeonbr 4 жыл бұрын
So its not worth using Exitlag/WTFast in Valorant?
@dmytroyanchuk9542
@dmytroyanchuk9542 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Battle(non)sense! Could you please analyze the PvPvE FPS game Hunt: Showdown? We're extremely interested to look at your findings.
@kizu5234
@kizu5234 11 ай бұрын
Please make an updated video
@TheFriendlyPole
@TheFriendlyPole 4 жыл бұрын
Do you think you'll ever do an analysis for mmo games like WoW?
@isocuda
@isocuda 4 жыл бұрын
So I should set the buffer to maximum to make me a jittering mess for others 🤔
@devthediv9439
@devthediv9439 Жыл бұрын
Recently, I have noticed that the games packet send rate is tied to the FPS of the game. When the FPS is uncapped (and you are able to achieve really high fps consistently) the packet send rate is close to the server tick rate (128), however if you cap your FPS to 60 you packet send rate would be 60. This seems to be the case as I am making this comment.
@yardenshai
@yardenshai 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, what program do you use to capture game server ip?
@Mas3nk0
@Mas3nk0 4 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to update your input lag video with Valorant data? Namely if the ingame frame limiter reduces (like in OW) or increases (like in DX9 games and CS GO) input lag? Would personally like to cap fps for stability (frame time variance and CPU/GPU temps), but am unsure on the input delay it would cause. Thanks in advance for considering.
@Mas3nk0
@Mas3nk0 4 жыл бұрын
Additionally I tested the ingame frame time metric which increases when activating the ingame limiter (x2 for me), so this suggests no limit is better. Also the frame time remains quite stable with uncapped fps leading me to believe the frame time variance is acceptable, but all depends offcourse on how good/ accurate this metric is ingame.
@nathan3808
@nathan3808 3 жыл бұрын
Can you explain why my tick rate keeps going up and down?
@DarKcS2
@DarKcS2 4 жыл бұрын
@Battle(non)sense - would using the FPS limiter in Valorant while disabling RTSS's FPS limiter, by adding exclusion to Valorant.exe, reduce input lag?
@Mas3nk0
@Mas3nk0 4 жыл бұрын
Also interested in this question
@TorpedoJohnson
@TorpedoJohnson 4 жыл бұрын
Plz do tarkov again very curious on how much it improved
@diptodas6994
@diptodas6994 4 жыл бұрын
please make a video on amd enhanced sync
@urangtuai5583
@urangtuai5583 4 жыл бұрын
noice
@samvaneijk772
@samvaneijk772 4 жыл бұрын
Please revisit Escape from Tarkov!
@kord2003
@kord2003 4 жыл бұрын
Please make Warzone netcode analysis!
@KaneDeitsch
@KaneDeitsch 4 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't having a higher in-game FPS, even if it's higher than the refresh rate of your monitor, lower your input lag when performing actions such as shooting? Therefore, isn't it potentially a disadvantage capping your FPS when you could in fact be pumping out a much higher number? I think Linus mentioned this in a video comparing 60 v 144hz monitors when playing CSGO.
@igorthelight
@igorthelight 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. But you FPS must be not only high but also STABLE
@BatStaK
@BatStaK 2 жыл бұрын
You did not find at the time that capping the FPS to 128 give you 128 to updaterate so ?
@MrFuffl
@MrFuffl 4 жыл бұрын
Whatever happened to the COD Warzone netcode test?
@mattp1k
@mattp1k 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting
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