Which girl is Jamie?

@@silenthill4 That's the name of the actor that plays Lee.

@@silenthill4 bruh

I didn't know that. I really wish I had more access to all the behind the scenes stuff for this show. If that's where you heard it...

My biggest issue with this series was Jamie Bamber's acting. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't good either. And I think his average ability is why he changed roles so often as they tried to find a way to play to his strengths. But Bamber killed this scene. It is, to me, along with the rest of the episode, the pinnacle of the series.

Ya, though he left out his biggest crime of the lose of Pegasus, but I suppose this scene itself makes up for it

​@@bcmm1880Pegasus was a dishonored ship. Admiral Kane's actions whilst in command turned the very existence of that ship an abomination. Lee gave Pegasus a chance to redeem herself and she did.

So agreed. It is universal and comes to my mind ever so often. One of the most poignant points in this intelligent series. If I could only ever rewatch one scene from BSG I’d make it this one. Genius writing, great delivery.

Testify!!!! 100%

I think you're forgetting that Baltar was responsible for giving the cylons access to Caprica's defense mainframe? He's responsible for the destruction of the planet and most of its population.

@@oobaka1967 he didn't do it on purpose he was tricked, but even if he wasn't. The cylons could have just tortured him for the information or gotten another person. If the colonial system relies on a single point of failures they would have been able to exploit it some other way. They waited 40? years. A month of torture to force him or a couple more years pressing a different person wouldn't make much difference to them

@@oobaka1967 the colonials were arrogant and stupid enough to have such an easily defeated system. The reason Galactica survived was due to a non-networked system. From that we know the Cylons have attacked via viruses before. But the colonials got lazy and arrogant in believing everything was ok. Also he was tricked by someone he thought was another human.

@@oobaka1967 You don't blame the flood xD

@@oobaka1967 He wasnt.. he never ever could had suspected Six was a Cylon.. all he did was fall in love with her and think she was using him for private advancement.. A Felony maybe but certainly not treason and not even the slight will of betraying or causing harm.. he says it very clearly before this scene when Roslin nearly throws him out of an airlock and he burst in anger citing one of the photos of the memory hall where he knew the guy and his daughters and how he never ever would do anything to harm them. Of all things Baltar was only guilty of giving Gina Inviere a nuke wich she used to destroy the biggest civilian ship and some other nearby ships.. and nobody ever brought that back or blamed him.. But of the genocide he wasnt responsible

I had a similar exp u just reminded me of...in English we had to do a back an forth between a black man and a sherif after a hanging back in early USA 1900s, now I'm not a good student and I'm in England so me an my freind didn't think of anything and forgot about it, this was early 90s and coolios gangstas paradise was out and I just acted his words out complaining to a sherif , probably the most wildy racist thing that's ever been done in this sort of situation and my early 20s English teacher didn't have a clue, we got a B and I was so upset for 2 reasons because she obviously never heard the song and because it was so racist and she never said a word because I'm brown not even the correct type of brown for the situation 😩 . Funny years later tho😂

He argued until he was blue in the face saying it was not worth it. It was the smart decision but he ultimately made the right choice. Whilst it did cost Pegasus, there are over 30 000 people in the Fleet that should be thanking Lee every day for making the rescue possible.

Because Admiral Adama is a good is flawed man. He regrets that his unbending nature costs the life of his youngest son, and his marriage, but he respects Lee Adama for finding his own feet and his own voice even if those principles lead his son into conflict with him.

saul tigh, was probably wheing the options of suicide boming his best freinds son

Yup. If only they had known about him giving the nuke to Gina, cause that WAS treason. But perhaps that is the whole point of Baltar's redemption: the world doesn't even known how bad we truly are, and yet Christ offers us his forgiveness!

I don’t think baltar was ever evil, and Lee perfectly states why.

@@kiddingjust6946 The Colonies fell because Gaius couldn't keep it in his pants. Of course, nobody knows about that, so they can't try him for it.

@@seangillanders5580 he still isnt directly responsible, even when forced via the drug he states the facts and only the facts, he never intended this to happen, he didnt know, infact he didnt even know that six was a cylon as far as im aware unless i glossed over something, he thought he was giving them to someone completely trustworthy.

@@kiddingjust6946 Except that he gave “Six” access to classified defense systems that she had no right to see, let alone interact with. He violated his security clearance and considering that these were vital to defense of the Twelve Colonies that is illegal bordering on treason no matter what he thought of her character.

yeap i agree, probably his only good performance

So Say, We All! Scapegoat Justice never works 100%!

So say we all. For all of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.

In that sense, this is probably the best scene calling out the critics of a show that's ever been written, because those moments tend to be the worst parts of any show by a long measure. In this one, we get called out, and our response is to praise it as probably Lee Adama's best character scene.

That in turn, makes the scene great. When peoples viewpoints are challenged in such a poignant way, it permeates into their memory. Maybe I am alone in this but I tend to remember those times when I am challenged/forced to grow as a person. In a sense upsetting the apple cart of the way things are meant to be done .

Ill be honest, I never picked up on that, but then again, Team Baltar from day one 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣

we are all "guilty" of being soft on those who we like, who we consider friends. Its natural. Its not just, but thats not the goal when you want to benefit your close environment, your circle of firends and yourself in extent.

The only character I never forgave is Gaeta and Baltar was always my favorite character and found him to be the voice of the audience being the only human character that walked a fine line between the Colonists and the Cylons.

Seriously. One of the best character growths.

About time... He absolutely failed as a commander of Pegasus. So at least some redemption.

Bit of his grandfather as well

except he didn't apologize for suiciding the pegasus when he couldve won the battle regardless.

@@cbennetts2746 That's speculation. Without the Pegasus' Vipers it was a fight they were bound to lose, yet if he'd taken the Vipers + full crew and lost anyways then the fleet would be 100% defenseless if both Battlestar's were lost.

@@TuxedoKamina not really speculation it hard but doable on deadlock, without fighters from both ships. and with delaying reactions by a turn to account for the lack of crew and with the galactic in the middle of the fight when the pegasus turns up

@@cbennetts2746 Deadlock also doesn't really do it right. In the show, the Galactica lost her main guns and her manouvering thrusters. She was unable to put up a fight. Lee drew the attention away from the Galactica by becoming the bigger threat. Cylons already went after Pegasus, sure. But if he didn't place the Pegasus in the spot he did, they would have destroyed the Galactica regardless. By forcing the Pegasus directly into the face of the Cylon Basestars, they had no choice but to shift their attention to Pegasus, this allowed the Galactica to make some basic repairs to get the hell out of there.

@@xyounax it's not a one or the other choice though there's multiple options, and in deadlock although you can't stay absolutely still you can represent drift at least and change mission options like ship hp etc.

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought so

🎯 💯

It does - but this edges it; by a baw hair. That's a unit of measurement in Scotland. 🙂

The evidence didn't match the charges of the trial, no. But we as the audience knew that Baltar was guilty of giving a nuclear warhead to a Cylon, and giving a Six access to the defense mainframe. And there weren't really any 'greater good' rationalizations to these (his motivations in both cases mainly pertained to Six and Gina who Baltar wanted to sleep with). Roslin instinctively knew something was up with Baltar, but didn't know *what*.

"What a remarkable moment in jurisprudence..."

But he didn't know what he was defending. He was doing it because of kara death and blaming his dad for it. All his actions were based on emotion. Out of all the characters he was the weakest. His only good feature was when he was fighting with a known target. The black market he let carry on because he wanted to be able to visit the prostitute.

@@shahidulkhan9566 that doesn't make what he said no less true despite his reasons. Yeah he was feeling guilt and shame and he even acknowledged his misgivings. I mean he literally admitted in a court of law that killed civilians and committed mutiny and called himself a coward. He included himself among everyone's sins. And he was right. There was a lot of hypocrisy in that trial.

@@adrianchatman5734 it made what he said even more dishonest. He was masking his true reasons behind a speech. He realized throughout the whole trial how similar he is to gaius baltar, rather than accept it he applied it to his fellow soldiers. Selective sacrifice is not the same as selfless sacrifice. He listed everyone's mistakes but his own, he mentioned that he fired upon a civilian ship but it was necessary as the ship was rigged to go boom. He failed to mention his actual mistakes.

@@shahidulkhan9566 no he wasn't dishonest. He literally he said he was guilty of mutiny and was forgiven. And he only would've been dishonest if he was lying. His reasons don't matter. What matters is the facts he was stating. His reasoning is subjective. The fact remains is that everything he stated was true and nobody could refute that. Roslin did try to steal the election, Adama did stage a coup, Lee did pull his gun on Tigh and commit mutiny. Lee did jump away and leave New Caprica defenseless. These things happened. He could've been doing it to impress a chick for that matter, it still doesn't change the facts. Everyone sucks including him lol.

He did list his own they literally mentioned a few he mentioned in the comment above you.

Empathy is good trait; however try to remember those outside of screentime - experimented at camps of old Caprica after the initial strikes, tortured & starved at the New Caprica (a new beginning, huh), had ever during the show cylons voiced their regrets about some of their actions?

@@queterian1526 well there was a whole ‘we’re sorry’ aspect in late season 2 when they left Old Caprica and attempted an alliance. That was all well and good until the “snakepit” known as New Caprica happened. But in regards to the farms on Caprica, yes that was a horrible and brutal thing for them to do. However, it was for their own survival. They were scared for their species’ future. It was an extreme thing to do, but in a disturbing way they’re justified. And there were constant disagreements between the Cylon models on New Caprica so I think it comes down to that

Excited for the reboot by Sam Esmail?

@@Kona_AJ not especially

That was my favorite part about this show. You were expecting after the miniseries to find humanity, you just didn’t expect that it was also going to be shown in the machines as well.

First time I watched this show I was like come on your doing the whole trail thing. But after seeing the scene I couldn’t believe how good it was very good acting

James Callis = the voice of Alucard in the animated Castlevania series...he nails his role there too!

The non verbals are so good. 11/10.

It was on BBC iPlayer

One was a prison transport, so it's not too surprising.

That’s what really sends this scene. It’s not just the meta commentary on the audience’s perception of Baltar but of the very concept and conceit of justice in general. Is it to find guilt in others or to absolve guilt in ourselves? High watermark for the series.

Where can I find this show to. Want to re watch

@@WelshmanSudios It's on Peacock, I think. I rewatch on DVD and the Comet Network on cable.

Better call Saul

What a great scene

You mean TV show

@@anthonygonzalez2897 Technically it is a moving picture show which is what a movie is. Perhaps that person was really, really, old.

@@anthonygonzalez2897 Series, movie... who cares...did you get my point?

It's possible tat the deity that is repeatedly mentioned is using Baltar as one of many agents of change.

He's really just Sisyphus in that context.

That would have been Helo. Lee has a good heart, sure, but Agathon was the moral compass.

Until it came to his brother’s girlfriend.

@@ashes2diamond this is the truth, Helo is the true moral compass of the series. As Admiral Adama said, he’s the lone voice in the wilderness at times of right and wrong

@@clownfiesta8840 I've watched this series numerous times, would you mind letting me know which episode he says that? If you get around to it, thanks

I went hunting for it incase I had to post it

But for what crime? Like Lee said - what would you have done? It's easy to condemn someone when their options for others are "torture or death" - of course he's going to pick torture and exploitation, he was in an impossible situation with zero power. The entire point of Lee's testimony is that anyone else would have picked the same option, so to accuse Baltar of being the sole possessor of this twisted moral compass that was this big dastardly plan, is unjust, untrue and short-sighted.

Actually we are told of at least two..the woman judge and Admiral. He admitted it and Lampkin brought up her vote in a later episode.

@@Jeremiahservant admiral voted innocent right?

@@TheNord06 yes. the president was very angry with him.

@@Jeremiahservant thanks! Was checking if I was remembering it correctly

@@TheNord06 "Not guilty is not the same as innocent. But we have to look to the future."

Caprica 6...it's morbin time!

@Ericlogos . The point is that he disobeyed orders even by his father's admission and risked the survival of the remaining Fleet to do it while compromising all future defensive capabilities.

Trading the Colonial's best military vessel and equipment for their most experienced Commander and veteran pilots - I would say is worth it

It's too bad that Caprica wasn't a great show. If it had been allowed to live on its own then it may have been great.

@@phrophetsamgames it really could have... I have infinitesimal spin off series that I could produce

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