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The ref of my game: Travel!

WHY FANS ALWAYS SCREW IT?????????' IT WAS YOU SCREWING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RULEBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MENTIONED IT"COACH" BUT YOU ARE A STUBBORN MAN. THE RECENT MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULEBOOK GIVE ME AT LAST THE REASON. NOW SUCK IT NICK.

Good one

it is travel!!!

Facts

WHY FANS ALWAYS SCREW IT?????????' IT WAS YOU SCREWING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RULEBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MENTIONED IT"COACH" BUT YOU ARE A STUBBORN MAN. THE RECENT MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULEBOOK GIVE ME AT LAST THE REASON. NOW SUCK IT NICK.

Huh? Traveling has nothing to do with the number of steps you take. Traveling basically = you can’t change pivot. It’s that that simple. Where the “3 steps” come into play is that if you take 3 alternating steps( one foot after the the other) after TERMINATING your dribble, you will Chang pivots. Also the number steps you can take between dribbles is limitless! How can you go 94 ft in 4 dribbles or less with 2 steps max between every dribble. Don’t make up rules man! Lol!

@@mtownsfinest1 Finally somebody who understand the importance of the pivot foot in the travelling rule! Thanks dude, thanks!

@@btonemajor2703 You are wrong, please check the last amendment of FIBA rules, now it's 3 steps. They included step "0"

I want to say high school rules are more strict

@@theeggreat4 True. But it stunts your growth and development. Like he said for "27 years" he thought wrong. He could of been that much better knowing the rules. And the lower level refs don't help. They make you feel like your traveling all the time.

The high school rules are different methinks

Teddy B Midwest Sports Talk if they were more strict they wouldn’t be calling this a travel because in the rules it’s not a travel. Highschool refs from my experience simply feel more empowered and enclined to show up players that try stuff that NBA players do. I’ve seen many players get fouled for continuation and they call it on ground. Once a ref even told one of my teammates that they’re not in the league to be getting those calls...

High school refs dont call it a travel on layups, most just dont realize that the up and under thing is the same concept as the layup

@Seito Stockman nah he just knows the rules.

Seito Stockman mate you are the one who suck who don’t know the rules lmfao

Tyler I have to do this when I play pickup

I think you just travel alot

WHY FANS ALWAYS SCREW IT?????????' IT WAS YOU SCREWING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RULEBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MENTIONED IT"COACH" BUT YOU ARE A STUBBORN MAN. THE RECENT MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULEBOOK GIVE ME AT LAST THE REASON. NOW SUCK IT NICK.

U aren’t wrong

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Dang, I’m 6 years early

Which is why it will never be universally called/not called.

Agree, best travel rule explanation ever! Having the three guys was crucial, and repeated examples.

@@btonemajor2703 You are wrong on that. The rules, as far as this is concerned, are EXACTLY the same. There was a FIBA rule change in 2017 that you seem to have missed!

Why would you ever be able to take a step without dribbling if it's not to gain control. The whole point of basketball is if I wanna move around on the court from a set position I have to dribble. You can't even lift your pivot with the ball in your hand to start dribbling. Why would I all of a sudden be able to take a step without dribbling. It's against the whole point of basketball. Going for a layup is not the same as already being under control

@@ep3389you obviously don’t get it, you can always lift a pivot foot once established to pass or shoot

By fans yeah but the NBA doesn't seem to debate the harden step back at all, it's just legal I guess otherwise it would be called at least once and other NBA players use it too. But the up and under seems to have trainers coaches and players confused, according to the video.

@@yualwayscmecommenting3074 I mean, to be fair, there are plenty players who think Harden travels but, like dude said, its so hard to really tell if he is actually traveling because of how he abuses the gather, its an ant and not an elephant so it goes uncalled most of the time. If a ref could go through every play slow motion, they would probably call a travel on it more often than we actually see it called.

@@noconaroubideaux9423 but the abuse of the gather is a huge red flag, but thats interpretation 🙄. Whats not is the blatant palming and cupping of the ball. Its damn egregious.

@@Getloose360 the problem with palming and cupping is that NBA players' hands are so big that whenever they have their hands on the sides of the ball they easily cover part of the top and bottom. That's why carry-calls have to be so blatant in order to get called. It especially gets murky if the player is the type that rotates the ball (counter-clockwise if dribbling with the right) while dribbling the ball up the court, because their hands are so big it always looks looks like a travel but the palm of their hand is on the side of the ball

@@noconaroubideaux9423 tbh it was always a travel to me until I watched coaches video on it and the ref said it's legal 🤷‍♂️

Yup it's a shame oldhead refs won't even care if you tell them these facts.

I think the Kemba highlight was a travel because what he did was, up and under, jump, land on 2 one after another and then shoot.. but then again = a good rule of thumb = travels don't happen at leg lifting, they happen at leg landing, you call travel after a landed leg and ball still in arms of the player If you slow down at the Kemba highlight = he landed his foot that was about to go up and lifting the other before shooting the ball So THAT was the reason for travel = not the leg slide before the jump on up & under, but because he was surprised to Rudy Gobert's well-timed jump and his legs reacted shaky and did 2 small steps he didn't initially intend to do: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rtOlh9dizbXYgYk.html EDIT: wrong highlight lol, that was Barnes, not sure about which Kemba highlight was the discussion supposed to be referred to..

@QUEENDOM what do you mean? They said that as long as you establish the pivot foot, you can raise it in a passing or shooting motion

well I know the rules much better than the three men in this video and I know that it's a travel. You can only lift your pivot foot and take an extra half step if you were already in a forward motion, you cannot take that extra half step out of a stationary position like they are showing in this video.

@@mdaudi4582 icecream.me/90262c8827204928ada0e5605311ba9b source: official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/

b1bbs g0t h4nds I’m use this video

Facts. I'm keeping this video on deck for the next argument.

It's a TRAVEL! U LIFT UR PIVOT!

Where people get confused is with a prohop versus a jump stop. With a pro-hop you establish your pivot as you gather and must land on 2 feet. You no longer have a pivot at that point, any step after that is a travel.

​@@julianrivas8581you can choose your pivot after that. Try to prove it by rulebook, but not someone who taught you.

Exactly, the second part is not taken into account whenever the rule comes up. It's annoying.

Also wish they tapped into the Jump stop landing and pivoting after a jump stop. People say you have to land on 2, but it depends on when your last dribble was. If you pound into the jump stop you can stagger your landing which just means you can pivot off the first foot, but still take a step. Landing on 2 is better because you can choose the pivot foot, but you can also stagger the landing and it's still legal, as long as you dribble on the same step leading into the gather/jump so as not to include it as your pivot.

No, the issue is that you never used to be able to lift your pivot foot before the "other foot." The pivot foot must leave the ground last or at the same time as the other foot. The continuous layup was always a special exception to this rule. Then the "euro step" crept in, were even if the two steps aren't continuous, e.g. you hesitate or change direction, you can still lift the pivot foot first and jump off the "other foot." And now we gone full retard, and you can not only hesitate and/or change direction, you can actually exercise a pivot, and you can still lift the pivot foot first. One example of how stupid this is was Leonard in the finals. Where he ends up standing on the "other foot," just past halfcourt, like a stork, while trying to find a way to get rid of the ball. The rule about the pivot foot having to leave the ground last makes this stupid spectacle a travel the instant the pivot foot comes off the ground. This is not something we have seen in any other era of the NBA. Well, I can't say that for certain. Let's say this. It's only in the last few years that the NBA actually tries to formally legalize obviously illegal moves, and god knows why they are doing it.

@@mildyproductive9726 If you look at the rules however from EVERY league including highschool these are the rules for a travel. Where did you pull your information from with regard to the pivot foot? The NBA hasn't changed anything, its the fans that have a weird perception in their minds about what the travel rules are and have been. These have been the rules since at least the 50's. You can lift the pivot to shoot or pass, but you can't put it back down. High School coaches have been regurgitating wrong information for too long and it's trickled down.

​@@dave.thedev Yeah, from high school. Yeah, there are lots of dumb high school coaches, if by lots you mean all of them in my region and era. Lots of dumb college coaches. And lots of dumb players following these rules in pick up games. I guess it just depends on where you grew up. I remember when questioning this rule was in vogue back in Hakeem's time. He was the earliest player I remember just flagrantly doing it, but... it was awesome. It was like Jordan taking 3 steps. When you have such a satisfying finish, the refs don't blow the whistle. The NBA is entertainment, in the end. I wonder what you think is the "Euro Step." And why does it have a name? I was playing and watching basketball since before this term even was around. First I remember hearing it was in the start of the modern Harden era, to explain why it looks like he is travelling whenever he would tuck the ball and then take two striding steps under the basket. The story goes that in Europe, this how basketball had evolved. And those players brought it to the NBA. And the NBA just basically accepted it as and evolution of the interpretation of the rules. If this was how the game was always played, it wouldn't have been named the Euro Step.

Link please 😂

@@mikedfelix here you go sir kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oZxnmpqG25nYcY0.html

@Seito Stockman stop trolling

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@@cirvis240 right

Itcdepends but the logic of double step back are not travel, the logic is when you pick up the ball

The whole gather step nonsense only applies to the NBA. I call it nonsense because some dudes try to do it in a pickup game and claim it's legal. I like that they left that out of this video since this is a rule that is already very misunderstood and the explanation they give applies at every level

Actually he did an extra step with his non pivot leg. When you lift your pivot foot you are changing your position on the court because that step with your non pivot was just a pivot b4 but it became a step when you lifted the pivot leg because your new radius centers around the non pivot leg

@@ep3389 you can lift your pivot foot as long as you shoot or pass before putting it back down

@scottya3615 I get that but he didn't pass or shoot he took a step as soon as his pivot lifted from the ground. The rule doesn't say you can also step shoot or pass. He didn't even go up for a shot when his pivot was lifted

Some are travels some are dont, if you hop like what harden does, then thats a gather step.

They break this down in another video and it’s not a travel.

Bobby Basak I want to hear these two guys’ perspectives on Harden’s travel step back

Pheng Moua the video has a NBA veteran ref saying it’s legal step back.

Pheng Moua NBA ref says it’s legal. Here’s the video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/itVxfK9lr5nOeXU.html

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FPV Adventures they do a break down on Hardens step back move and it’s not a travel.

Handles139 in my 2k19 my career he has that double stepback animation and it irritates me everytime 😂😂😂

@Handles139 right, that was the only time it was an actual travele

pivot foot is established after discontinued dribble, while hes stepping back ball is still in one hand, thus having possibility of more dribbling to occur.. hopefully they go over this next vid, but they had one with ronnie nunn already

@@bobbybasak926 some of them are travels, you can't just say Harden's stepback move isn't a travel. Some of them are completely off the charts travels.

Zero step or gather step are not always there, it is a special scenario. When you receive the ball on air by 1 hand, and landed on right foot then left, and step again then right, the first right foot was the gather step. It is different when you catch the ball on air with 2 hands and come down on right foot first (now this becomes the pivot), then left foot, another step would be travel. Driving on lane, last dribble ball on right foot (dribble simultaneous step on right foot), step left foot while ball still on right hand (this is the gather step), then step right foot again simultaneous holding the ball 2 hands, lift the left foot (right foot becomes the pivot), go for layup (LEGAL MOVE). It is different when you do ball on right foot, then pick up the ball with 2 hands, once you lift your left foot, your right becomes your pivot foot, then jump on your left foot, LEGAL but no GATHER STEP done. It is all about ending the dribble, you can stutter step (can be called gather steps) while the ball his floating under your one hand, still LEGAL.

"Please correct me if I'm wrong." I think you're wrong. You are shorting a step all around. IMO, if the left foot is already touching the ground at the time your last dribble hits the floor, that foot doesn't count, at any level. You can take right and left, two more steps. This is how I was taught in high school: perform your last dribble while your left foot is on the floor, then take a right and then left for a layup. But in NBA, you can dribble before that left foot even hits the floor. And that left still doesn't count because you have not gathered, yet. So in the NBA you can dribble while on your fight foot, BEFORE the left foot hits the floor, gather, and then still take a right and then another left. IOW, in high school and college, it seems to matter when the ball actually bounces off the floor. It's on the player to gather after that, during the next two steps, and to get off the shot or pass. But in NBA, the time where the ball last touches the floor is almost irrelevant. It mostly matters where the player gathers (I say mostly, because the gather rule states it covers only one step, so technically you can't take 2-3 baby steps after the ball last hit the floor but before gathering, then take 2 more). Since many players can palm the ball, the NBA rule is pretty hard to enforce properly/consistently. The spot where the ball last hits the floor is must easier to determine by an outside observer compared to the time when the player picks up the dribble. So essentially, this rule gives the NBA players 3 steps after the last dribble. This is how I interpret the rules actually playing my entire life and watching college and NBA games. In reality, sometimes it is close, and a high school or college player will get away with 3 steps. In the NBA, often is the case where someone gets away with 4 or even 5 steps after the last dribble. IMO, Canter gets away with a blatant travel, taking 4 steps after a single dribble, on the last shot in a playoff game. I've seen Lebron take 5, in the post, turning around 180 degrees and then stepping, all after his last dribble.

@@mildyproductive9726 Thanks for responding. I agree that the rule is very difficult to enforce in real-time and that players often get away with an extra step when it is a close call. It is interesting that you frame the rule in relation to when the last dribble hits the floor. I don't see a place in either rule book (NCAA or NBA) that refers to when the last dribble hits the floor. The NCAA traveling rule refers to when a player "ends a dribble" (Section 5 art. 4) and the NBA rule refers to the "completion of a dribble" (NBA rule book Section XIII - b.) The NCAA defines an end of a dribble as touching the ball with both hands or carrying/palming the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands (Section 13, Art. 4). This is significantly different from when the last dribble hits the floor. I don't see a formal definition in the NBA rule book for "completion of a dribble" so I'm going to tentatively assume it is the same as the NCAA's definition. Now you may argue that some travels are actually called based on when the last dribble hits the floor and you could have a point, but I'm limiting the scope of my argument here to the literal NCAA/NBA rule. I also don't see any restriction on the number of steps you can take between when your last dribble hits the floor and when you end/complete your dribble in either rule book. As for your first example, I see nothing wrong under the NCAA rule if you "perform your last dribble while your left foot is on the floor, then take a right and then left for a layup" provided you don't end your dribble until your right foot is on the ground. NCAA rulebook: www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR20.pdf NBA rulebook official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/

@@dot333333 The best way I can interpret the NBA rule is you can take 3 steps after the last dribble. Unless the player manages to get two hands on the ball before taking the first step (which is not impossible but would be very difficult), he can take 3 steps. And because of the other new rules (euro step and up and under full step) this isn't strictly limited to shots/layups, like the 2 steps in high school are. But any time a player takes 4 steps after the last dribble in the NBA, that should definitely be a travel (not that it will always be called). For this ref to claim all of basketball should follow NBA rules is pretty bold. The one asshole who adopts NBA rules will think he is awesome and will take every other shot for his team. And if everyone does it, we will just stop pretending there is defense anymore.

@@dot333333 Hi. You have significantly edited this post since I initially responded. "Completion of dribble." If you consider this the same thing as picking up or ending a dribble, then there would be no need for the "gather rule" of the NBA. And you could take 3, 4, 5, 12 steps after your last dribble in high school. (Itty bitty steps taken while still "dribbling" since you haven't gathered, yet). I know what you might be tempted to say. Yes, you can take 15 baby steps after one dribble, and it's not a travel, yet. But in high school, after you gather in this scenario, you cannot take two more steps. You will be whistled for this 9 times out of 10. W/e foot is touching the ground when you gather will be your pivot foot and you cannot lift it unless jumping off it or both feet. This is why you learn proper footwork and timing of your last dribble. The "completion of a dribble" isn't well defined, anywhere, though. I call it when the the ball bounces on the floor. You could argue it's when the ball returns to and touches your hand, which might be the most technically correct. But in any case this happens within a few milliseconds of each other in the average non-Globetrotter dribble. 99% of dribbling is having your hand on the top/side of the ball and following its arc, and 1% is the dribble. At any point during that 99%, one can physically gather the ball. If you look at cutting/driving when starting a dribble, you can see some parallels. You can't lift your pivot foot until what? Until you the ball leaves your hand (and typically it is hitting the floor about 1mS after). It's not when you stop palming the ball and have it moving towards the floor. The dribble doesn't start the moment you "end your control/gather" of the ball. It starts when the ball leaves your hand. (And it's back to your hand in the blink of an eye. During most dribbling, your fingers might get only a few inches of separation from the ball by the time it hits the floor and bounces back.) I assure you that what I described is how basketball is played in most high schools and playgrounds across america. The writers/readers of the rules might not be able to describe it accurately, but it is indeed the way the game is played and ref'ed. The last dribble matters independently from where you "pick up" or "gather" where you want to take two MORE steps, aka layup.

it is travel.

But these are all travels in HS, FIBA and Europe.

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Yes, in fact, Coach called him out on it in one of his videos.

Have you ever seen him on Game 7 of Playoffs against the Sixers that he'd almost made a travel before he'd done his winning clutch shot? I don't know if that's a travel but that's enough to put Naruto to shame on that one. 🤣

@@wazzup233 u do realize refs tend to not blow their whistle

Ab Haq Nope because that means the second step is replaced with the jump stop. For the up an under, it is different. You need to look at the details.

Thats why harden is a very high iq guy, he just studied the rule and pushes it to limits lol.

metalsadman 🤔🤔definitely true I remember seeing a video by Devin saying that a person that that knows the rules will play better because they won’t limit themselves with things we mistake as travel

So like, he burst through the defender and attacking the rim as if the ball was a rasengan?

nah no way our eyes can catch that run impossible

Can't carry a basketball that way

IKR, couldn't name a single person who would miss that call it was like 3 steps deep out of bounds lol

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Actually people that do use every aspect of the rules, are the ones in the unstoppable departmen. Kobe did this a lot. Even the Dream did this constantly on the post. The gasofts. Dwade.....

GutAnd Family I have never seen any of those players do this exact move and i have watched days worth of film and highlights on them. This is a move you will only see used in the WNBA. Coach nick couldn’t even find a clip of an NBA player doing it in a game, that’s how mutually sinful it is by the players. We would never know if this is really a travel in the NBA because we rarely see it. Regardless wether it is a travel or it isn’t, players won’t use the move just out of principle and precedents.

@@Thechocolate130 theres a famous highlight of olajuwon doing that step through back in the 90s. in virtually every olajuwon highlight video i see it. matter of fact i see this move with most players famous for their footwork/postgame, like kobe which the previous guy mentioned

well shu Link it then. If it’s so famous and common then show it to me....0

@@Thechocolate130 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aJh_Zc9y1ammcqc.html 0.57 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aLCanbuBuZatgIU.html kobe doing it at 3;52 it looks funny but its not a travel nor is it a sin

Well depends. In FIBA there are two instances: if you gather and land on both feet for your first step, you are allowed to pivot. But if take one step and then land on two, you can't pivot

Depends on if they are shooting/passing or not

because the refs in the NBA know that they are talking about, these three guys here have gotten it wrong.

icecream.me/cafaf50656ca63de48edd94d0c2e6b18 source: official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/ By the way, I really had little idea about the rules (only a rough intuitive idea), but if someone really wants to know just google it. Takes like 5 minutes.

@@mdaudi4582 no that's not right. These guys are just discussing the case of the up and under, not the second case I was talking about (and of which I am not sure if the NBA has it the same way)

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None of this has anything to do with a father step

@@LaMar34_34 no shit. Im answering the actual q in the title.

@@LaMar34_34 because I already knew the rule being discussed on vid, and thought it was common knowledge (lol, because I made comment before watching really)

Lots more episodes coming up!!

Ace Lebron signs with the Heat. NBA Fans: LEBRON’s LEGACY IS OVER. WHERES THE COMPETITION. Boogie signs with the warriors. NBA Fans: THE NBA IS OVER. BASKETBALL IS RUINED. James Harden wins MVP once. NBA Fans: DRIBBLING IS TAINTED. OH MY GAWD EVERYONE TRAVELS AND FLOPS NOW. WHAT HAPPENED TO INTEGRITY? Yeah seems normal.

If its in the rules

I've been doing this my whole life... and I'm not even a good basketball player. We were taught this as soon as we touched our first ball... and I keep teaching it to my kids. Surprised that americans realize now that it's not a travel.

Awesome, thx!

Thanks for common sense. It's a two year old comment, but still I felt the need to thank you