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BBC LS3/5A Shootout.

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Ditton Works

Ditton Works

Жыл бұрын

BBC’s most famous little loudspeakers go head to head with each other!?

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@josephfranceski4883
@josephfranceski4883 22 күн бұрын
Excellent side-by-side review. Enjoyed it very much.
@AlanFenick
@AlanFenick 4 ай бұрын
I brought a number of LS3/5a made by various manufacturers for my store in Miami Florida USA back in the late 70’s. Between the Chartwell and the Spendor’s, I was most impressed by the Chartwell’s because of the craftsmanship of the cabinets and packaging. Our amplifiers were Esoteric Audio Research and Beard Audio using a solid state preamplifier by Van Alstine. The reason for using valve amplifiers was the 15 ohm load and the soundstage was wide and defined compared to using solid state amplifiers, which could not handle the 15 ohm load. To this day the LS3/5a is still one of the most musical loudspeaker made. One interesting note was the LS3/5a’s were sensitive to the impedance and connecting cables induction. We never had the 11 ohm Spendor’s to listen to. I have listened to the Chinese/Taiwanese knockoffs while decent they are missing depth and Imaging, but are decently made. There is something about the KEF drivers that can’t be duplicated. The most serious complaint is the 15 ohm load when playing them loudly with solid state amplifiers especially operating in Class D mode. The valve amps with their output transformers eases the load significantly. Current Class D amplifier chips just have great problems handling the load of the “little speakers” unless you keep them at a moderate level. Most of my friends with the LS3/5a’s use Class A or valve amplifiers with output transformers with great musical results. Enjoyed your program!
@timothyfreeseha4056
@timothyfreeseha4056 Жыл бұрын
Ive gone back to see your videos many times. Aside from your experience and expertise, i find your hobbiest enthusiasm uplifting and fun.
@johnr6168
@johnr6168 Жыл бұрын
Chartwell also use to make the LS3/5A. I remember coming across a few of them in my BBC days.
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
Yes they did.. unfortunately I could find a pair for this video.
@johnr6168
@johnr6168 Жыл бұрын
@@dittonworks i can quite understand! I don't think the Chartwell made as many as the other manufacturers.
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
@@johnr6168 that’s correct, conversely Rogers made the most some 50’000 pairs.
@AndrewDCDrummond
@AndrewDCDrummond 8 ай бұрын
No Stirling Audio LS3/5a V3s ? Used LS3/5a all my life and the V3s are significantly better, especially with their AB-2 crossovers. My favourite pair before was some 11ohm Rogers which I moved into some thin-walled cabinets, driven by the Cicable premium external crossovers - which were significantly better than a stock version. The V3s are also in thin walled cabinets and the crossover is comparable to the Cicables, but the drivers are much more capable. The AB-2 have also had the Derek Hughes magic applied and are significant improvements over the AB-1 ( I lent Derek my AB-1s to investigate designing a new crossover but he gave up as the cabinet was a touch too small - hence the AB-2s are a little taller than the AB-1s).
@martindevon3204
@martindevon3204 Жыл бұрын
You need one of those multiple speaker switcher things that Laskys used to use
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
We managed 👍
@davidcarr2216
@davidcarr2216 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to this one. Where's Ken Kesler when you need him ? Excellent summary sir.
@MichaelYates
@MichaelYates Жыл бұрын
Excellent Kevin, very enjoyable comparison
@johnr6168
@johnr6168 Жыл бұрын
The logistics of your testing remind me of the HIFI CHOICE multi-person review magazines from many years ago. Their speaker tests would involve testing about 25 pairs of speakers listened to behind an acoustically transparent curtain so that the listners couldn't identify them by sight (to avoid possible bias). They also did lab tests. I still have one from around 1985 that includes one manufacturer's version of the LS3/5A!
@markfischer3626
@markfischer3626 10 ай бұрын
I thought the whole idea of LS3/5 was that they'd all sound identical. I know electrolutic capavitors can change value over time. Perhaps they should have been recapped to restore them as closely as possible to their original sound. Perhap the recordings to use were those where these speakers were the monitors being used. They seem to have found a niche market especially among British hobbyists.
@andredevries4987
@andredevries4987 Жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin. Very nice review. I am looking forward too the clips. Gr André de vries.
@chriswright5016
@chriswright5016 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kev, that was a great and very interesting review. Looking forward to the sound clips. The most important thing was that you got to enjoy all those variations in one go to answer questions I know you would have had have had on each model. Full disclosure, I was rooting for the silver Rogers because that's what my old pair was. It didn't surprise me that they did so well, and I knew that the gold pair would be slightly ahead. I think every enthusiast should should at least one pair at some point. My Quad 57s more than make up for not having LA3/5As around any more, but there's something uniquely special about them and I would never rule out owning another pair at some point in the future. Thanks again.
@haycrossaudio5474
@haycrossaudio5474 Жыл бұрын
Great video mate. I'm sure that was quite a hard task considering the idea was that being licensed to the BBC they should all sound the same. Impedance properties will change your amp characteristics as you note. Great job mate. Loved it
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate.. There more to come Monday 😇
@davet3804
@davet3804 Жыл бұрын
As regards speaker drift over time , my Rogers silver badge had resistors in crossover which had drifted badly . On replacing these it made a huge improvement. Imaging in particular, pin point once more . (NVA , quad , exposure or Nad amps )
@Omar-be6tc
@Omar-be6tc Жыл бұрын
Any plan for a Falcon gold badge vs new Rogers classic shootout?
@reinhartfrais8549
@reinhartfrais8549 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Kevin.
@laika25
@laika25 Жыл бұрын
Waiting for Grahams n Falcons...
@symatestpilot49
@symatestpilot49 3 ай бұрын
The LS35a is the audiofools choice of loudspeaker purely because of its background with the BBC as a monitor for outside broadcast with the spoken word, it was never designed to play music in our lounges. The reason why is that it has no real bandwidth to play music really well. And bandwidth in a loudspeaker is like BHP in an engine as you just want to crave for more of it! So the LS35a bandwidth is around 80 - 20,000 so not very exciting at all. If this loudspeaker was an engine it would be a 999c 50 BHP unit! But completely insane audiofools still continue to spend upwards of £1500 for a fifty year old pair of these things! They are fabulous for the spoken word and radio 4 plays, but simply hopeless for any kind of music. What drives music is bass energy and depth, the LS35a doesn't produce bass. I handmake open baffle loudspeakers which sound absolutely incredible!
@dittonworks
@dittonworks 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching
@raduflorin6154
@raduflorin6154 Ай бұрын
I think most of the speakers that you have borrowed and got togheter, have been either repaired, or with components changed ( dried capacitors?) , ALL of the LS35A, if in perfect working condition, should ALL sound the same regardless of manufacturer, just as long as they are both the same impedance ) ! As they are all made to the same specs, and have not been left out of the factory before they are tweaked to perfection , if you put a Rogers 15 ohm , with a Goodmans 15 ohm , they should sound EXACTLY the same 😉 !
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Ай бұрын
They were all original. The question is (and was answered) were they all still in spec? Nope
@rafalkoziel2021
@rafalkoziel2021 Жыл бұрын
With Falcon's "Kingswood Warren" you don't search for the best LS3/5A ever made anymore.
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
I completely agree
@gavinralph2910
@gavinralph2910 Жыл бұрын
Having just recapped my Wharfedale Diamond 3's, the tweeter caps were way out of spec. Replaced the caps and wow!!! amazing vocals are back in the room! I suspect the older LS3/5a crossovers are starting to suffer the same issues, there is also the issue with acoustic suspension on the drivers and the edge surrounds......these weaken with age. Great work and good review, I would love a pair of LS3/5a's but when you look at the total some of parts in true value, I have to question the value for money. I am being told the DENTON 85 will give any LS3/5a a run for its money at a fraction of the cost? (now that would be a great review!!!) To be fair the LS3/5a should all sound the same having been made under license within tight tolerance specs. As you say, there will be a difference in sensitivity between the 11 and 15 ohm type. Strange KEF got a license using MDF?
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
Glad you’ve sorted your diamonds 💎 Thanks for watching
@TimBedford
@TimBedford Жыл бұрын
Thanks for good vid. I think you kind of ruled out differences in cabinets near the beginning, I guess if they were built to spec, they should all be the same anyway, also using the same drivers, aside from the 15ohm and Falcons. So are we talking about crossover,, cable differences, and aging of the drivers for the changes in quality? Can't remember if they all used the same felt surrounds which ive seen differences in. (Used to run Klassic audio and had various pairs and modern offshoots.). I was lucky enough to go to a BBC facilities store room in the late 80's/90's, I was quite young. They probably had about 50 pairs of LS3/5a's for sale, and SP10's as well as anything else studio related you could think of. They were probably going for about £50 a pair.. Sadly I didn't know then quite what they were, or what they would become..
@matthewtaylor7355
@matthewtaylor7355 3 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to purchase say 5 different brands of China LS3/5As. Put different UK labels on all of them bar 1.And then let UK fans audition them.Bet they'd all say they liked the fake UK labelled ones the most
@JG-gg9wk
@JG-gg9wk 3 ай бұрын
Get the same thought. Course you realize what you've done. Chinese Bashers are coming after you.
@gordonlesforis772
@gordonlesforis772 Жыл бұрын
Hi great vid Just a quick question. What type of amplifier do you use with these speakers Thanks Gordon
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
Meridian 557 and Quad Artera Pre
@stevenhifi2188
@stevenhifi2188 Жыл бұрын
What happens if I use 8Ω tube amplifier with rogers Ls3-5a 15ohm (1979 model).thanks
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
You’ll get beautiful music 👍
@aceofspades6667
@aceofspades6667 7 ай бұрын
Love harbeth but not sure they are they truest to bbc ls35a spec. Love the harbeth p3esr and 30.2 anniversary editions. Even if not the truest to bbc they are my favorites.
@CC-bg8gf
@CC-bg8gf Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍
@astroporpoise7802
@astroporpoise7802 Жыл бұрын
Hi, love your channel! Was just wondering if you've heard the Spendor 4/5, and what you think of it vs the LS3/5a. Thanks for your time and looking forward to more on videos these treasured thin-wall sealed speakers. Cheers!
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
Hi 👋 Thanks for watching. I’m afraid I’ve not heard that exact Spendor unfortunately. However I would guess they’re going to be a bit more dynamic than LS3/5A but not as sweet in the mids..
@astroporpoise7802
@astroporpoise7802 Жыл бұрын
@@dittonworks Thanks for your reply! I’ve heard the Spendor 4/5, but not an LS3/5a. So, was just curious how Spendor’s modernization compares to the BBC original. I A/B’d the 4/5 vs an ATC SCM7 though, and the Spendor’s center image was more focused and the midrange tone was more lifelike. I really preferred the Spendor! But yeah, I hope to hear an LS3/5a! Cheers!
@astroporpoise7802
@astroporpoise7802 Жыл бұрын
Hi! I just wanted to update you. I work at a hi-fi shop in Seattle, WA, and someone just traded in a MoFi LS3/5A pair by Falcon. I A/B tested it against the Spendor 4/5, and yeah the Falcon is very natural and easy to listen to, but it sounded a little congested and closed in compared to the Spendor. Vocals really project forward with a precise center image thru the Spendor, but still have a lifelike tone to them like the Falcon. I was hoping the Falcon would be better or even close behind because they’d save me money lol, but I’m really impressed by the Spendors. Hopefully you can get a pair to try out sometime. Cheers
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
@@astroporpoise7802 ah cool. Mofi use the silver badge crossovers I think? Hoorah for the Spendor’s, I love mine 👍
@VN-xy5li
@VN-xy5li Жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed it, what amp did you use to drive these speakers?
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
Meridian 557 and Quad Artera Pre
@ebkesq72
@ebkesq72 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned “Raymond Cooke” ls3/5a. I assume you mean KEF?
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Had a pair of them.. the video is on this channel 😉
@donaz1500
@donaz1500 Жыл бұрын
è vero che gli unici diffusori LS3/5a oggi realizzati nuovi con specifiche BBC autorizzate sono le FALCON Ls3/5a. Altre case costruttrici Inglesi, non hanno la stessa autorizzazzione.
@nicholaswalker1491
@nicholaswalker1491 Жыл бұрын
Have you tried the Rogers Ls3/5as with the panzerholz baffles?
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
No I haven’t, sorry 😢
@nicholaswalker1491
@nicholaswalker1491 Жыл бұрын
@@dittonworks I think they would make a fascinating comparison with the Silver Badges. I had the panzerholz baffles fitted in my Rogers and I am very happy with the sound. Interestingly, it cost the same as I originally paid for the speakers! The iconic staples have gone as the panzerholz is so dense and hard that staples cannot be inserted so the velcro is glued on.
@DimitriosSpada
@DimitriosSpada Жыл бұрын
Nice review for only speaking. What about some sound demo.
@dittonworks
@dittonworks Жыл бұрын
Sound clips were uploaded yesterday buddy.. thanks for watching
@scottchegg1209
@scottchegg1209 Жыл бұрын
Stirling broadcast v2/v3 would be interesting.
@nenadkojic7125
@nenadkojic7125 Жыл бұрын
Didn't think mentioning you only listen near field was relevant ?
@el34glo59
@el34glo59 10 ай бұрын
Falcons?
@dittonworks
@dittonworks 10 ай бұрын
We tried my pair and they were by far the best, so we excluded them from the competition
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