It's still gets me that your profile pic, The Second Doctor is in the same universe as Torchwood

Isn‘t all of Torchwood as well as the Doctor in the same universe? Or am I just slow on the uptake?

@@finnickschnitzel7589 its all the same universe. I don't know what that guy is on about.

Oh it did...

I love your channle

Yeah

That was the reason Alice’s mother agreed to put her into witness protection under a different alias.

10th and 12th

Sense all of jakes partners we see or hear about are male with the exception of her mom I’m guessing he learned his lesson way back and try’s to avoid women that he’d be attracted to so he dosent have kids so he dosent have to go through that

lose your grandson or lose 10% of the human race ? easy choice

Like, you'd think they'd eventually grow accustomed to the idea, right? He's still a man. He's still family. He can't help what he is and he wants to spend time with them and do good by them. While I can understand it being hard sometimes, it also makes them seem incredibly selfish to ONLY EVER think about their side of things. Me, I'd pity the hell out of someone in Jack's situation. Can you imagine how much he's endured? How many families and children he's buried? Men have killed themselves for less and Jack doesn't even have that option. If he was as close as this to me, I'd always be worried about how he was doing.

It wasn’t Jack’s fault, he couldn’t help the fact that he couldn’t die. Plus the immortality gene didn’t pass on to his children

Ger. You had sleepless nights just because of a serial but you had been watching it till the end of the fifth episode !

@@aquarius4953 it wasn't the show that kept me up, it was the concept and the hard decisions involved. Would you kill 10 to save 100s? If course the parents didn't want to lose their children, but if jack hasn't come through for the win, by sacrificing his own grandchild, then those children would have died anyway, along with their parents and every other child. Sometimes I have a hard time shutting my brain off.

Don’t give me that hope

Um, it's uhh doesn't work like that

Of course, as if there is another alternative ending, don’t talk nonsense 😭

There's a tragic turn-around with Steven, on one hand yes he was sacrificed way before his time with a full life ahead of him. However he and his mother Alice are also unnatural elements within history, their legacy only exists because of Jack's time travel, they were technically never meant to be. Of all the children in the world while Steven was physically the closest, in the grand scheme of things Jack ensured it was someone in his own lineage, a soul that was never meant to be that would die for countless others that were meant to go onward. Does that make what happens any easier, hell no, but it's an interesting and profound concept to analyze.

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Funny that considering they live in Britain

My mum has a Chinese accent and my dad has a West Country accent; I have neither, probably because I’m from the South East

Thats explained. The actor is Scottish I believe

@@hollymaylarge1131 He has the American accent but his vocab what you may expect from most British folk.

He’s like the Highlander. An immortal. He’s from “lots of different places,” which explains why in the present, Christopher Lambert uses his usual French accent. And Jack is an alien, so his accent is standard mid Atlantic. Like a cross between standard British and Yankee Doodle. Like many newsmen even today in America. As a Canadian, the accents get pretty boring, but Barrowman pulls it off well.

The Youngest looking Grandfather is more like it

@@cosmichobo4216 both 😂

@@cosmichobo4216 not really. there are people who become one when like late 30s

Can’t disagree

Ikr

That's what I thought

The twist of the true motive of the 456 is one of the most horrifying and genius in all of who

I wanted the doctor to get involved but no he didn't do jack he could've helped with the 456 and prevented all the bad things from happening

JamesAtron Media I like how Gwen put it - "The Doctor must walk away in shame"

@@HOAfan11 he walks away in shame and he should be ashamed in loved him but after watching torchwood in lost a bit of respect for him/her

@@HOAfan11 yeah he Should have burster into that boardroom and said I'll deal with it. This is way beyond you

It was a heartbreaking thing for him to do. But it was like in “Small Worlds” one child or millions. 💔😭

@@louisewestie989 its an impossible choice, that's the point. You arent meant be able to choose to sacrifice your grandchild. But he does make that choice, it shows how being immortal hes lost a bit of his humanity.

@@hollymaylarge1131 if u could save billions of children around the world at the sacrifice of one he sacrificed his grandson because he had his DNA

@@babymochi9529 just as a parent I know I could never do it

@@hollymaylarge1131 there are perents all over the world and there kids have just died

I always liked to think of it more like the Highlander, that he's immortal, but also sterile, perhaps her mother was single with a baby when Jack met her, and they married and he provided for them. Still lonely existence to watch a lover die. But its much worse when its your own child

Well Jack has been Pregnant on 1 or 2 occasions as well

MyName Jeff I doubt he’s sterile, his dna wasn’t altered by the Bad wolf, all it did was ensure that history wouldn’t let him die

There would probably be more of Russell T Davies decides there are. Jack could have had more over the years who have died etc

There’s not a official answer to it but I’m actually guessing not many he’s not M from doctor who who forgets stuff after a while, Rose altered his mind as well as his body I’m guessing the first generation of torch wood he worked with probably had a member or hired someone to seduce him to see if his offspring would be basically immortal as well the pain would be hard if he say 4 or 5 of his kids go around the same time add to the fact that he’s bi and I’m guessing he chose male partners more the women so he dosent accidentally get one pregnant

no he use to be a very selfess man because hes a con man but jack harkness has grown so much as a person even if he use to have a diffrent name

You can’t really blame him for being cold he was a trained cop that was in charge of time travel if he wasn’t able to distance him self from others he’d risk changing the time line in every mission add to that that now he’s been alive around about 400 years and he’s going to start to see humans as other

Classic DW foreshadowing!

Timeline wise this was taking place while the tenth doctor was off on his gap year trying to postpone his death, this also happened over the course of 5 days. The doctor probably did learn of this incident later on but because it had already happened he couldn’t interfere because history. Luke and his friends were in secondary school, they were above the age range that the 456 was looking for (mainly primary school children) so none of this would’ve really affected them

The doctor was on his time lord victorious arc he can’t be on earth all the time and no one even contacted the doctor

Angel of Rock I think she knows he can’t die (or at the very least think he cant) but I don’t think she knows why

@@JR98GAMING You'd think he would tell her why

Angel of Rock Jack himself didn’t even know the reason until the doctor told him in Utopia. And I doubt he keeps up regular visits to her so he probably hasn’t told her

She would definitely notice that some thing's up when her father looks the same age her whole life. It's pretty reasonable to assume that Jack told her that he can't die if he's still keeping in contact with her.

yeah she does because she knows he cant age so she probably knows about the not dying part too

*taught

Yes. Yes I am.

Lol no I'm not I'm thankfully not there yet

His grandson’s death? Or a certain miracle day we all don’t really talk about?

I'll leave it to your own opinion. But me personally is Ianto and Jack's grandson death

I’m just hoping that they’ll end up promoting the Big Finish stuff afterwards

@@ajdinanno Yes.

TheBobBrom Sarcasm. The grandparent of the year part of my comment was sarcasm.

The Doctor literally abandoned his grand-daughter, although traveling with him is dangerous.

It's on iPlayer

He was apparently born human trillions of years into the future and had he had to live through Earth’s past.

he wasn’t born with immortality it isn’t in his genes it makes no sense for his children to be immortal

He's from the Boeshane Peninsula (a human colony planet) in the late 51st Century. He wasn't born immortal, so there was no way to pass it on through kids. He's a fixed point in time, not naturally immortal.

@@somerandomguy2073 I already know the whole history of Jack Harkness. Lol the only thing I was never truly sure about was if he was actually human or like the timelords a humanoid looking species. He did go Rouge from the time agency to make money.

That scene is HILARIOUS. Especially when the husband walks in calling him out 🤣🤣

Finally? What's happening please catch me up

Alicson K this is the best season of torchwood by a long shot and one of the best mini-series I’ve ever watched. People are just happy free clips of it are now being posted online.

@@alicson basically all the children of earth stop then they keep speaking in unison and we find out that an Alien know as the 456 is reasonable and is wanting a large portion of the earth's children and the government are things to stop torchwood from getting involved. That's all I'll say

dr103 it looks like her anyway

@@RobboRobbo They look nothing alike.

@@somerandomguy2073 ok

Wait what

Redoux DJ Jesus what a fine ass burn. Well done, sir

No.

Just no.

Did you even see what he did a few episodes after this?

@@EditedAF987 even better

No we get some hints in the episode explaining that his daughter's mom and him met decades ago but I remember that we don't hear from his family (except his brother) besides that one episode

the dead wife who used to be the head of that Torchwood. we have talked about this, the ex lesbian (so technically bi) black haired woman in Jack's fotos...

After Bad Wolf Rose resurrects him and makes him immortal in The Parting of the Ways, the Doctor abandons him and he uses his vortex manipulator to try to travel back to the 21st century but it malfunctions and strands him in 1869. Presumably somewhere around 1960 he then meets a woman and has a kid.

Yeah but he's been stuck on earth since the 1800s, lived through the whole 20th century. Apparently had a relationship sometime around the 50s/60s?

@@JonathanOsborneAU @ITPalGame he had Alice in 1975

i mean the original script ended with Steven surviving and getting the same powers as Jack but Russel T. thought it's not dramatic/sad enough so he killed the kid

A blood transfusion can’t heal a fried brain

Russell T had the idea in the original script of Steven living, but the idea was rejected and replaced with what we saw.

nice idea except its been confirmed by at least 2 sources that he was the Roman guy from the fires of Pompeii's descendant, and he had to die to put time back on track!!

It is Lucia Moretti who was at torchwood three at the same time as Jack.

It was revealed in Day three

I like jack because no matter how much he loses, he'll do his best to save as much people as possible. Even if it means everything he loves gets wrenches away from him. It's what makes him.

@dr103 He is a time traveler, who knows other time travelers, and THE Doctor. If you need time and are running out of it, send a letter via the Doc Brown method to one of them in the future (who will have access to a time machine and ask for some help) Even if that doesn't work, one does not use their own family as disposable weapons. I know the writers of Torchwood were trying to make it dramatic and all, but they could have also made it dramatic by having him at least try to save his family (then gets shot dead in the process) and then wakes up afterwards. You still get the government as they bad guys angle they were going for without sacrificing the main character's morals. The writers seemed to have ignored the whole 10th doctors reaction to realizing how easily his companions were willing to kill billions to keep the Daleks from their goal during the Doctor Donna incident. Having Jack sacrifice his own Grandson for the Greater Good? Gwen's comments about the Doctor being ashamed of them in this story arch were probably spot on.

@dr103 Okay...hopefully, I will never be in the position of having to chose between killing one child and letting aliens abduct millions of children that had been betrayed by their government. However, if I was in Jack's position, I would not have let them kill my grandson or any other child. You don't sacrifice kids, even if it is to save more. After keeping them from killing said kid, I would then get on the horn with UNIT and every government agency I knew the number of (this includes every space agency) and start organizing a way to get those millions of kids back. If that didn't work, I would assemble a team and we get a space ship of some sort, by hook or by crook, and find a way to get those kids back. And if that didn't work, I would just go my self and find a way to get those kids back. But, seeing as the BBC didn't have the budget for a longer series, they went with the faster ending to this story arch.

@dr103 Sorry, I will be clearer. No. I would not kill a single kid to save millions. First, a lot of things have gone wrong if such a scenario has come to pass. Second, killing kids is wrong, no matter the numbers. Finally, what about the grieving family that will result with that child's death? Do they not count? Look, we are getting way to serious over a television show that wanted to be the darker and a more depressing version of Doctor Who. I hope I have not offended you, but this is my stance on your question and my opinion of the show.

@@Moontrap Yo, no matter what you do a Try, it's always a lose/lose situation, you wanna risk a thousand of lives for one person or saving thousand by sacrificing one, it's a hard choice but what if there's no other choice and that you cannot choose to save both, this is what super heroes and people like such go through, there's no happy endings and we've must take risks for this, it's not the writers who done this, it is something we all have to face, you can't always do both and expect it to be an outcome you've expect to be, some like what you said would doomed us all, watch the first episode of this show to understand and watch every shows or movies like that, I won't ramble on, just think logically

No

Yes I understand that but doesn't give him the right to take it out on someone that he doesn't even know and hasn't done any thing to him

So what did he do that was so rude? Care to provide actual specifics.

Jack is bi, the actor John is gay :) he flirts with the doctor and rose in doctor who

Jack is omnisexual, he has no limits. Also there was never really an appropriate situation for his kids to be mentioned in episodes prior to this. Besides considering how long he’s lived on the Earth he was bound to get someone pregnant at some point

you'd rather he let the rest of the world die?

@@luigiasylum9717 instead of sacrificing an innocent child, yes

@@mikecummings4715 you'd rather he sacrifice millions of innocent children than one.. ok

@@luigiasylum9717 yes because you are intentionally sacrificing the one

@@mikecummings4715 but then by not sacrificing that one child you are also intentionally sacrificing the millions too