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BiS or pre-raid BiS?

@@nippiS BiS. For SoD they added 20 Spell damage and the proc effect also scales. Its very good but a very low drop rate!

@@SeanoHere fark it's so good now just saw it, will need to farm Mara lol

the shoulders "Rotgrip Mantle" are better than "Syntetic Mantle"

Thanks mate

Thanks

I’ll definitely get round to PvP, thanks mate for your comment!

Thank you!!

Hi mate, I’ve added a balefire update video for fire, with arcane there is so much to work out I couldn’t really comment. It’s something you’d have to test in the raid. My initial thoughts would be to 3x AB into BFB but in any spec you use BFB is only good for short fights so right now that’s only 1-2 bosses. Thanks

Yeah I noticed afterwards sorry, was a few mistakes in this video, just wanted to get it out quickly. I pinned a comment about the shoulders. Yeah also forgot to mention frost, was briefly over consumes but will be a more in depth guide once we know everything. Thanks for your comment man I appreciate you!

Yeah I thought Frostfire Bolt Mages with a mix of Frost for Winter's chill debuff & Fire for imp Scorch debuff buffing each other's damage was gonna be the meta. Maybe it's still not bad.

for number 2, you take from your highest spell power, so likely only from fire dmg

It would give them an extra 5% crit. Idk what the number is. Maybe if you have like 7 or 8+ or FFBing Fire Mages you have 1 go Frost and that's when it becomes worth bringing Winter's Chill.

Wow that’s amazing fair play! I admire the preparation, wish I had someone like you in my guild :D

Thanks! I like to go after those key items that aren't too hard to get but still a little challenging.

Combustion is really good because of the big ignites

Profs are uncapped so its possible to get greater FP, the recipe is dropped in Searing gorge. Yeah the normal Wizard oil might be the play instead!

The recipe can be dropped in SG yeah but is not unlocked until AQ comes out I think.

Irradiated sims higher that’s all I can say, you might struggle with low stamina on some bosses though

I don’t believe so, combustion is too good. That said if you want to double icy veins then just go frost with winters chill :)

Yes - Emerald chest and legs are better, for boots the hyperconductive is slightly better than emerald

For the int because of the long fights, if you think you don’t need the int then go ahead :)

@@SeanoHereI’d argue Spritecaster is the best pre-raid cloak, 4 less int than Cinder but +1 spell dam (and it’s dmg/healing to all spells instead of just fire dmg), +4 stam, and +5 spirit.

They will stack

If you have a tonne of mages then one going Frost for Winters Chill will help the whole raid but yeah Fire DPS is alot higher than Frost

It would only help them if they are using Frostfire Bolt. Which it doesn't look like they are.

@@az9498 Yeah so fire mages are using Frostfire bolt, having one go frost just to give winters chill debuff would be ideal

So Frost Mages 1 week after this conv heh?

If you have it then use it, it’s less DPS than Irridated but it’s more than good enough for pre raid. These new raid tokens are dropping so much we’ll replace it fast :)

We may overcap hit but they’re still the prebis items

Done, on my channel now, thanks!

Scroll of arcane recovery :)

It was 100% bugged at one point, I’m hearing it’s been fixed but FFB is still being used because of fight lengths / mana.

@@SeanoHere makes perfect sense

No, since we’re taking frostfire bolt we won’t have hot streaks

We haven’t had any official confirmation but it looks like it’s not enabled, there’s a few recipes that aren’t in this phase, it’s really odd considering how far ahead melee DPS are, wouldn’t be so bad to have these elixirs in..

It’s good enough, there’s better options although the head is very good. But if it’s all you have then it’s more than fine to begin raiding with for sure!

The one I use was for LF & LB but I still use it for LB, however it’s been removed so I can’t link it

@@SeanoHere no worries. Thanks for the guide man!

You run the same talents for balefire for fire, unless you’re talking about arcane? There’s a lot to figure out with arcane. Even with the changes FFB is looking better for now until fights are alot shorter

@@SeanoHere yeah I thought that after they fixed balefire people would have arcane/fire talents but thank you for your advice FFB does seem good right now

Yes it does, to 41yards

@@SeanoHere oh wow what a discovery !!! Thats biggg

The tailoring head provides spell damage and mana reduction. If you mean the new tailoring shoulders then they do stack yes

Thanks, it hadn’t been working for me yesterday, glad it was just a bug

Can confirm , have been playing most of the day, balefire does in fact work with ignite now

Fireball bad?

@@SeanoHere So do we use Balefire Bolt now? Or still Molten Armor?

I think so, but it was on the list for phase 3 so wasn’t sure if it ended up as a recipe from ST or something but that’s why I said Wizard oil if you can’t get brilliant one :)

@@SeanoHerecan’t get that too. You get that recipe from a vendor in Silithus and that vendor isn’t in the game yet. We have to use the oil we used in gnome still.

@@Tiemooo59 yeah I was surprised about the fact he said it was available

You can get a mage OH from the rune quest which gives a huge amount of SP. The hit from staff isn’t needed so I’d recommend using a blade. I haven’t been lucky so I’m still using the blade from BFD

@@SeanoHere perfect thank you mate, love the mage videos keep it up!

Yea def pick it up but we’re not using it right now, even though it’s fixed the fights are too long for it to be used. As a general rule if a fight is less than 90 seconds use balefire bolt instead of molten armor

The change to living flame just makes it trash honestly, in every simulation icy veins come out on top, their might be niche scenarios where LV is better but for the most part IV is the way to go, no BS

@@SeanoHere i mean really? with no crits you need 20 seconds of veins to add like 5-6 more casts at least to compete unless i have something wrong. and 6 casts doesn't seem possible especially if ur moving around due to mechanics. (also i loved the videos definitely helped me alot besides this one point XD)

@@SeanoHere so I thought some more and IF you get PI Veins is definitely better but if someone else is getting veins living flame is better

You’d have to lose combustion to get cold snap, so far that hasn’t proved worth it but could change in the future

I've got an update video for BiS lists etc coming soon but basically green fire damage belt is BiS but they're very expensive to buy atm, AB belt is best outside of those boe's

@@SeanoHere But the wild offering belt is better than arathi belt? Im noob i dont know if hit are better than crit ?

@@docteursnow7237 This information is slightly out of date, I've done some extensive testing on gear and I have a new video coming up today. Arathi belt is better than wild offering belt, we dont need hit as we get it from talents.

Yeah I know what you mean but the changes to FFB and the crit modifier is huge it’s just too good. In the perfect scenario FFB and Hot streak would be on separate runes but then we might be too OP

You do - Maintain 5x Scorch, Maintain LB and then cast FFB

No but it increases DPS more than pyro / blastwave if you're scorching. if you have another mage Scorcihing then you dont need

Yeah my bad, thank you. I pinned a comment regarding the shoulder. Thanks

True, I don’t expect Mage to be top on DPS but from what I’ve seen they’ll be fine and I’m looking forward to it

@@SeanoHere Very disappointing about Balefire if it's working as intended.

Unless you have a mage scorching for you then incinerate will provide more DPS for those scorches, it’d be better to drop pyro & blast wave for flame throwing if you’re scorching

Seen that, thank you!

@@SeanoHere are you going to do a new video. Yours are the only ones I trust lol!

Partly true yeah but it’s amazing to know a comp of 12 mages can clear :)

probly not. incursions get you to 50 in ~5 hours

@@jc502 Yes, but the top sweaty groups going for world first did not know this, most of them did dungeon grinding from 40 - 50 and these are the chars they prepared to speed level from 40 - 50

Yeah i was wondering about those aswell, im unsure which is best the BRD ones or emerald

Omg yes sorry 😄 Kentic Amice from BRD is best, otherwise Synthetic Mantle if you have it or the new Emerald set shoulders. We’ll replace these with the crafted tailoring ones when we can. Thanks for this!

Will be updated soon

Very true, I’m just very happy that a comp of 12 mages can clear, first time we’ve seen class stacking be successful really. I believe mages will end up at the top of the middle by the end of the phase

This specific comp is class stacking, mage is the fastest to level yeah but this was being run today and majority of casual players are 50 let alone good ones, they could’ve had any comp they wanted!

@@SeanoHerecould also be that mages are good to stack early on due to a low gear requirement for good damage.

Yeah but they still sped level the characters thinking it would be first come first serve for world first​@SeanoHere

Yes agreed, I’m talking about right now and the meta will definitely shift, especially if there’s further nerfs but it’s the first time we’ve seen effective class stacking in SoD, I’m happy with the state of mage!

@@SeanoHere Mage will be good, but stacking mages isn't the meta. This isn't the meta. It was just what ppl took to race with. You'll have a balanced comp, even if THIS was the case they would just nerf the shit out of whatever was "stacked" to this degree. What you're seeing on logs now are generally what was used to get a first clear in. You are starting just now today to see more diverse comps. This isn't class stacking due to mage being overly good in ST, its due to them running a train on ZF and having lower gear requirements in a raid when you run in it with whatever you dinged with. Many of them didn't even have new runs. Again.. come on dude.. They're doing like 500-700 dps. We know every class is going to do more than that. So this isn't the meta, it wont even look close to this.

Yeah other classes are doing more DPS. The levelling wasn't the only reason though, trash mobs had more HP than anything inside MC, I think its awesome that teams downed it stacking mages :)

Yeah the you can get the rep but the vendors are locked, it'll be updated dont worry

Melee meta 😄

Its been fixed since although the fights are quite long so the general rule is: if the fight is less than 90seconds use balefire bolt, if its longer than 90 then use molten armor and FFB!

mage armour>molten armour for fights longer than 90 seconds. the rune is just considerably useless

@@connorkoutz 5% crit is way better than a little bit of mana regen lol

Thanks mate

Did I say top DPS? I said they’re being class stacked but don’t worry the meta shifted after the nerfs