I honestly agree with the *Wonyoung and friends* one ! Because starship entertainment is clearly want Wonyoung to outshine . She is very popular so more people will get to know about I've by her . ( I don't want her to get hated by this , like how Jennie got )

@@lily28690 Yeah. I guess that would benefit the group in the future but still it's causing fierce arguments.

Wonyoung and her laziness. She would only do hard if it's her part. She might have forgotten that their is a focus and solo cam. Blinded by her fame and she's acting up. To those who will come to me. Watch first solo famcam from all music shows and you can see the difference. Why would an issue broke out about her laziness if Fans can discern and they have evidences to back up their claims.

when Wonyoung didnt bow to the nct members, the clip was cut. I saw the original one, she bowed, then put the pumpkin, then bowed more. With Jeongyeon, i saw a vid saying she was looking at her for an answer and that she likes twice. But it also said she blinks a lot and it looks like she rolls her eyes, this has been a habit since her time in iz*one. but the outfits is something i have to agree with

If you're going to talk about my video and the comment section in your video, you should quote it correctly too. You obviously didn't watch my video at all because I never said IVE was "inexcusably disrespectful" but I was defending them.

It's like Gugudan too

@@reusslunar fr the rest deserve better

It's actually clever that they do that but definitely not healthy. Wonyoung is one of the most attention grabbing person so it makes sense when they use her image to get publicity which will benefit groups' profits. But it attracts negative attention which could harm the girls.

@@nikosfer.958 EXACTLY! I've said since all of this Wonyoung & the girls stuff started, that IVE will be another 7 year only group. If by chance they don't end up like Gugudan. Starship is already showing their bias so early on, & this is a mistake. I'm a Blackpink fan & once they announced Jennie's solo, she was everywhere while the other girls basically became models until the next Blackpink comeback. Then we had to wait until 2021 to get solo's from Lisa & Rose, & Lisa's was promoted horribly. Jisoo finally gets a starring role & it's inflamed in controversy. I hope Starship fixes this soon because it won't only hurt the other girls in the group, but Wonyoung as well. I like IVE & want to see all of the girls have equal success.

@@juhyassmin Yeah, Gugudan has some bops, rlly wanted to see more of what they can do. I checked their channel and it's just Sejeong 😭

I don't see the problem with the girl crush concept. The problem is their outfits and maybe their ages, but besides that, an elegant/girl crush concept is suitable for them.

@@alexss3661 i think any kpop group should be able to do whatever concept they want. a girl group shouldnt be limited to doing only cute/innocent concepts just because their members are young. thats why i think companies need to stop debuting idols who are minors. it protects their idols (to a certain degree) and also allows them to be molded for whatever concept they want without being criticized for it.

Wait, what???. Girl crush image focusses on woman empowerment. You don't have to be old in age to support woman empowerment. Young or old boy or girl, anyone support woman empowerment. Nothing wrong with their concept. And they can wear whatever they want. They can wear revealing outfits if they want even if they are young. It's never the fault of clothes or idols that they get sexualised. It's the fault of people who see them that way. Idols wearing full length clothes also get sexualised. It's never the clothes that makes men see woman like that. It's their cheap mentality. Instead of blaming ive members or their company for wearing or giving them such outfits,, blame the person who sexualises them. Blame such people who see them like that.Many teenage actresses in the west strip down to shoot love scenes but that doesn't mean people sexualise them and if they do sexualise them then nobody blames the actress or her company. People blame those cheap minded people who sexualise them. You should stop blaming their outfits. Outfits has got nothing to do with them being sexualised.

@@gia42472 context also matters. female idols forced to wear short/revealing clothes is inherently meant to be sexy and appeal to the male gaze. wearing whatever you want and freedom of sexual expression is not for minors because they can’t consent to it and their company placing an emphasis on it means they know exactly what they’re doing - using very young girls to appeal to men. Female empowerment is also like the opposite of the kpop industry in general anyways, although genuine girl crush concept by a group like 2NE1 do exist. The concept of this group isn’t girl crush, it’s just an excuse for the company to peddle them to weirdos. No one in their right mind is blaming the idols for it - these points are made in relation to their management and company. Also it’s literally fucking ILLEGAL for minors to shoot sex scenes in “the west,” and sex scenes are also inherently sexualised so what the fuck is the point here??

@@lilynguyen1228 freedom of se*ual expression is not for minor??? Are you out of your mind or what??? Se*xual expression means thay you're free to choose and make decisions on your gender like deciding if you're bi, gay, straight. You don't even know the definition. Lol. Every minor has freedom of se*ual expression. One can say they are gay or straight and it is their right of freedom of se*ual expression. They gave their consent. They have signed the contract and they knew what was gonna happen. It's their body, it's their choice to wear whatever they want. You're nobody to suggest them that they shouldn't. It's not your body. And the company doesn't give them those clothes for male gaze. Ohh god, how cheap mentality you have. Wearing clothes has got nothing to do with being se*ualised. Even IU who wears full length clothes get se*ualies. Their company doesn't give them those dress to appeal to male gaze. That's illegal. It's illegal to be given clothes that you're not comfortable in wearing. Everyone likes to dress up. Having a good fashion sense doesn't mean you're appealing to male gaze and that also considering that there are more women in kpop than men. Jennie from blackpink doesn't wear short clothes because she wants to appeal to male gaze, she does it because she wants to. And it's not illegal to shoot love scene or be n*de as a teenager in west. Kate winslet had 2 or 3 movies in which she appeared n*de when she was teenager. Movies like 13, gossip girls, the exorcist, blue lagoon etc are examples of such films where teenagers did adult scenes.

yesss

Omg sooo well said, totally agree

Lmfao

Yas why

she was really popular by her own right in produce, later iz* one that’s why she’s being pushed (not saying it’s right because it’s not)

that's not wonyoungs fault. It's the stylists and the companies. she's just a child, you all should not attack a seventeen year old like that

@@donotdisturb2001 I wasn’t saying it’s Wonyoungs fault?

@@donotdisturb2001 It's not her fault but you can't hide the fact that she really is an industry plant

@@donotdisturb2001 she’s 18

@@something4796 which gives you a right to hate on her?

Exactly. It is so ‘Starship thing’. I still remember how Starship pushed Hyorin to sing like 70% of the song with 20% support from Soyou, 7% of Bora’s rap, and 3% of Dasom’s smile and short singing line.

Lmao I remember when Hyolyn destroy Dasom in terms of vocals in MR removed. It was phenomenal, kinda feel sad for Dasom but it's not her fault because Hyolyn is just on another level of vocals.

Dont come to hyolyn, she deserves coz her ability... Hyolyn only got so many line distribution. Not different outfit, too much spotlight like wonyoung. Hyolyn totally carried sistar.

Hyuna and friends back during 4minute

@@Mari-sc4mg even in 4minute debut they still equal. After hyuna debut as solo and duo

fr tho

seriously one group gets girl crush popular and becomes the biggest girl group cause of it (and talent+songs ofcourse) now every company wants to use it to gain popularity

People these days complain about everything 🥲

@@777rozenmaiden people these days want to see different concepts and not the same girl crush specially not on underage girls

@@astxrism8202 Hey, life's not fair....

She doesn't have a narcissistic mentality. Please try to know more of her than what the articles and haters paint her into. She's known among her fans, members and staffs who worked with her that she is very sweet and respectful.

@@sakurahinamori1338 i wrote that comment in the most respectful way i could, compared to the other comments with malicious intent. maybe the word narcissism sounds a bit harsh but i don’t know any other way to put it. treating your seniors with respect is an obligation, not a choice. i can’t even imagine choosing to ignore someone older than you - especially in a place where all eyes are on you. her behaviour is indicative of her group so unless she decides to change her act, they too will suffer.

That's an interesting take, but it could be true actually. After all I think it's very easy after all to get wrapped up in your own bubble.

@@sleepae narcism is a whole diagnoses. wich is a dangerous thing to just slap around.

Somi still kinda acts like that tho. Even I noticed it before she mentioned it in her article. She still has her big ego, let's put it like that...

and they are kpop idols so they should be careful about something now

it only happened once and ya know mistakes happens

@@Diocan_77910laa now it happens again & again....

​@carl859 I challenge you to list a single time when ive didn't bow to someone in front of them/in their eye sight range. not someone who ran past them, not someone who was behind them, not a 2 seconds video that cuts exactly the part where they bow

koreans literally dont care in fact they were maing fun of intl kpop fans around the same time you commented

YES the oldest member's 19 but that's still quite young so let's not even mention the maknae who's literally 14 like who thought that debuting a 14 yo would be a good idea

@@uppersidedreamin1111 yuh same thoughts, and Yujin is still an 18 in an international age. That's still so young 🙃

@@uppersidedreamin1111 yep for the mental health as well,like from nct dream as well,jisung debuted at 14 i think? But they had a bubbly cute concept back then,atleast if their concept wasn't too dark for their debut song it would not have been too much of a problem for me

@@dalgomcomingatyou6726 yeah...Chewing Gum was a decent debut for a 14 yo

Did they have a sexy concept?

But they do need to fix their attitude this has only happened once with the hole group but it’s happened multiple times with Wonyoung they need to get it together but I don’t hate them for the rest it’s mostly the company

@@kpopmaster40 korea don’t give a fuck. it’s just i-fans being ridiculous and obsessed with a culture that’s not theirs

Omg stop acting all big check ur facts first it’s just rude shut up with ur swearing. it’s disrespectful to not bow go back to school

I think she knew what she was signing up for

@@naimaraven Yes but that doesn't give people the right to do that to a little girl.. But ofc people are pathetic

No they don't

@@princess555o4 yes they do

yujin gets more or at least the same center time as wonyoung bfr

the only one who look bad as a person is wonyoung

Yeah

the others dont have such a terrible attitude that they make liz affected. maybe its cuz they stand out more?😒

what attitude? they're all very respectful girls stfu

Izones bubbly concept would work for them

@@claraaaaas i agree. Maybe on their future comeback they will try on that concept. We just has to wait and see.

I think they can have the same concept of lightsum cute and girl crush

Even if it doesn’t looks girl crush, the lyrics says other wise, even the girls in weekly idol said that the song is about the feelings that a girl can have when they fall in love

i agree!!! i find their concept sophisticated tho

yeah, like they didnt take notes as to what happened with gugudan.. The 2 popular members from I.O.I were constantly promoted and almost only the ones in the fandom really knew the other members.

okay but you do realize that these companies (sbs,mbc, etc..) get to pick and choose which members are in collaborations? also, ive wouldn't be getting these stages this early on if it wasn't for annyeongz and many dives agree to that. plus, lets not take these opportunities away from yujin who was basically ignored by sotr her whole entire izone career. this isn't the "wonyoung and friends" group you think it is

@@knowlesknowles1356 umm you mean Chaewon? cuz Chaeyeon is in WM

Wonyoung said on an interview that their concept is 'TEEN CRUSH'

Or just all of them could have had walk-in? You know? Like.. ok, show Yujin and Wonyoung first, but they couldn't spare a couple seconds for the other four? It wasn't that hard. Either they company knows how to start publicity or just dumb favoriting and will cause problems like other groups in Kpop. They are all amazing and should be given room to all shine.

She hardly moves her face and makes almost no expressions. She is really beige. I don't understand the hype. The is pretty but not stand out exceptional beauty and her talents in dancing and singing are mediocre. She doesn't even have a good personality.

@@Lotsielots She seems bratty tbh

@@Lotsielots I don't really get it either

yall love to hate her for no reason. she is extremely talented and hard working. and no face expressions? what?? have you actually seen her while she performs live? she’s the prettiest and y’all r just projecting.

@@4evrmind giiirl i have been watching her since pd48. i did not say she does not have facial expressions rather she has the tendencies of having the same expressions on all her performances (slight open mouth 👄 and a wink) or photoshoots (always in the style of princessy/beauty queens). the only thing i feel she deviated from her usual expressions was her look when she walked in Japan's fashion show and that because the make-ups but she looked high-fashion there.

It’s not. Why the obsession with seniority? Just because they didn’t bow doesn’t mean they have attitude or they’re rude.

@@sarahalviz979 in Asian culture, seniority and elder matter much more than in Western culture. Plus, in the entertainment biz, it matters how they look to the public. Of course they can't satisfy everyone but IVE and every entertainer have images to keep up

@@sarahalviz979 I bet you are NOT asian

@@sarahalviz979 I live in one of asian country. When eldery people walk in front of u, you should show respect by bowing ot at least smile. If u dont do that, u are rude person. It seems u are NOT asian and u dont respect asian culture

don't pretend like wony was the only person who did it le sserafim despite being her juniors also ignored her

truee and it hurts how wy is getting the hate even tho she doesn't deserve it

rei has solo covers. liz has a solo cover. yujin, leeseo and gaeul has a dance cover. all of them has covers with pretty outfits and pretty sets except for wonyoung (excluding the group ones). and go watch their show guesting WITHOUT wonyoung. go and see gaeul and yujin at ysl event. fyi, liz has the longest line in eleven. and wonyoung doesn't even have an expensive set in ive's teaser compared to the other members whose sets look very expensive. other members have individual activities too but y'all don't give a fuck and only focus on wonyoung.

@@jjangwonyoungs6932 don’t even bother. i-fans are truly bottom of the barrel

@@jjangwonyoungs6932 as I'm saying... I'm not blaming Wonyoung for anything. The problem is with the Starship. I think you misunderstood that I'm blaming Wonyoung

They should’ve just debuted her as a solo, then maybe all of this ridiculous drama would dissipate. I’m barely in the fandom for this group and I’m already annoyed and ready to unstan because of the ridiculous decisions not just Starship but the staff in this industry as a whole has made. It’s literally Wonyoung’s world and the rest of the members are forced to live in it

18 in Korea. Koreas 18 everywhere else is 16. And 18 everywhere else is korea 20

@@Havis_Princess Okay so 20 for Korea and 18 for us

What do you mean by ''adult way''?

@@p.hhenry4454 ....

when the hell were they shown in an “adult way” tf. i swear most of you kpop stans are absolute prudes 🤣

If not mistaken, they are literally a group of teenagers that are under 20. the youngest one is 14?. Anyway their future looks very bright and promising. Viewers do not worry. I'm sure the girls will keep learning along the way!

@@donotdisturb2001 that’s what industry plants are, they get molded into a group that will overtake the kpop industry, everything about them dance, singing and appearance they’re very sub-par. All of them look like they could be an asian version of Mean Girls, they’re there for an appearance not to showcase talents, all they’re songs are produced and written by others and they just mimic over it

Isn't this all of kpop lmao? Songs produced and written by others which are 'mimiced' over; through learning dance choreo and singing? it doesn't undermine the hardwork put by these girls every step of the way. i don't like this term a lot of the time, these 'industry plants' have real chances of success, and the best kpop idols are always scouted young.

@@namos3369 I'm sorry, are you assuming that these teenagers should have been born perfect? Writing songs in the womb for their debut? They are kids, all decisions are made for them, not by them. I wish them the very best for their future, and wish Starship would stop making stupid decisions that bring hate to these girls instead of to them.

@@saranggojo nah what your saying is literally taking pity on them, artists like them are industry plants, where a label has created them for the sole purpose of money grabbing, groups like mamamoo who can sing live are actual singers, groups like IVE lack numerous skills to be considered a talented group, if wonyoung actually worked harder on actually singing and not “trying to look good whilst pretending to sing” she wouldn’t be getting so much hate

You’re not even Korean

@@_enki you don't need to be korean to show some respect

As a Korean, that’s so true.

@@audreyloresto3925 facts

@@_enki showing respect to your seniors don't just exist in Korea in case you don't know lmao

I agree with if the company should treat all the members equally.

It's still too early to say that the company doesn't promote the members equally. Heck, they've only debuted for just a month and haven't even had a comeback. It's perfectly fine to promote the more popular members during debut to bolster the popularity of the group. But if the situation is the same in later comebacks then it is fair to criticize the company for that, but for now it is fine.

This felt so backhanded lol

Girl, you're comparing her with seasons idols like sunmi, iu, jessie, hyuna, hwasa, while wonyoung was just 14 when she's with izone and just re-debuting with ive at 17 when most of solo artists that u mentioned were started off in a gg too. And you're comparing mamamoo bts got7 big bang shinee with 1 month old ive.... like wow.

@@ae_delle7394 I actually didn't trash her or insult her in any way or say she isn't talented whatsoever. Thats why I put "she isn't ready yet" and didn't say she never will. I compare her to established solo act because she has the potential to become one of them but her agency needs to be carefull with how they manage her image now so this biased situation won't be a burden for her in the future.

Yes it is starships fault

It is easier to shine among the group , GG are generally more popular, than soloist, also Wonyoung is not the best vocalist it will be noticed more

I don't see any kind of potential in wonyoung to become a soloist. She is an average vocalist. Her rap and dance is not good. How can she be a soloist

In case of The Pussycat dolls it was actually just Nicole and backup dancers. She was singing all the songs, just charging her vocals a bit and other girls were lip singing to it. At least that's what I remember

Beyoncé and Destiny’s Child Justin Timberlake and *NSYNC

One direction 🙂

Same but Boa debuted when she was 13 and Taemin at 14 so it isn't exactly anew thing but I do think they've been increasing in frequency

I feel like 16 would be a perfect age. Not too young yet not too old either

Good thing your opinion doesn’t matter💁🏼‍♀️

@@vannyleigh5527 debuting at 16 means training at 13 or some

billie eilish, olivia rodrigo, etc all started at 16-17 so the right minimum age would be like 16, and 16 in korea is 18

it’s not a maybe case anymore, we all know they’re pushing wonyoung. and no, ppl and especially their fandom will not forget it after a few months, if any she will be more prone to misplaced criticism and hate bcs ppl ARE AWARE that the company are biased and treats her differently. seriously, it’s a bad strategy

Bad publicity is still publicity only in hollywood. It's over for idols when knetz starts cracking them down

@@greenroom8550 like look what happens with Jennie, she getttsss sooo much hate rn

Agree! I also think the same. The company strategy is way too old school.

@JL January but it is a big no for korean culture. They are minors and having stage performance in tv broadcasting.

Thank you for this💜

IVE without Wonyoung is like a man without cancer

@@figarofigarini wow just wow I have no words for you, hope Karma gets your ass

@@figarofigarini girl what?

@@figarofigarini Even if u have complaints about her this was clearly too much... Please don't shit in public places... Healthy criticism about stage presence and vocals or dance is good because they should improve as time goes by but it's just hating... Please don't do this...

right... produce is the tool for them to be acknowledged and starship using it well to ive.

literally 😭😭 and even if that wasn't the reason for pd groups, kpop is literally about making money,, its an industry so why wouldn't starship capitalise on their success in izone lol

Literally

thisss, that accusation is so dumb

@@candyhyojung1860 thats my point when izone disbanding 😔💔

Probably cuz it was edited 🙄

@@Jjangbunbun bruh no watching most of the interview I notice too

Yall love talking shit about her 😂

True

i agree

The bowing thing is legitimately one of the dumbest reason people bully her for

@@lucklei4665 and it's mostly these k pop fans who aren't even korean that are complain like

It's the privelege she gets that is annoying

Just bcuz she is pretty and rich

@@hehehaha3396 its actually because she was a izone member + if I'm not wrong she was one of the most popular member in izone too so,yeah ofcourse she will be privileged since she was already very popular

She can't do better in her solo..

@@renesaisdoingasmr it will shock you

@@golfa4952 What!

@@renesaisdoingasmr when she does good as a solo artist 😑

@@golfa4952 🤣🤣🤣

true, izone was formed with the public knowing that it WILL disband after said time. it was not a fix group after all, so forming a group after their disbandment should’ve never been a problem

ikr like most of the companies try to debut their trainee as soon as possible after the show ends or the final group disbanded the whole point of produce series is to get public attention before debuting in your own company

I said the same thing to myself ! Eunbi and Yuri debuted so what the problem ? Sometimes they just search a reason to hate them !

they are just sayiing any sht to justify their hate at this point

*she deserves to shine unlike Itzy*

@@karinarunsaespa Itzy outshine outdid that group so ur point...?

@@chanelprintz767 ive actually broke itzy’s rrcord but whatever u say comparing 3 year old group to a one month 1

Mui mui im ded- 💀

@@user-nb3ct9fw3m what record did they broke 💀? Itzy are the 4th gen leaders

So?

@@malak6265 so its cringe

yes

don't forget that side-eye at Jeongyeon 😒

@@ILOVEBEARS77 very cringe

and because she’s a hard working girl

@@soureny6966 everyone in the idol industry is all hardworking people. But you can never gain fame quickly without proper backup and connections.

@@motunam5333 totally agree.

@@soureny6966 and the others are not?

now i know...

yes you're right and I hope so it would be also better for Wonyoung because she doesn't deserve all this hate

But aespa as a whole were rookies and largely unknown so making one member popular is not a bad strategy but when someone is already popular and brings fans to the group they should promote others to make them even more popular

I hope that is so, however the difference in the outfits right now makes me doubt. Unless the company decides to listen to the feedback then it won’t change

liz has the most lines in eleven. liz has a solo cover with a pretty set. rei has solo covers with pretty sets. yujin, gaeul, leeseo also has a dance cover just released today with two different stage outfits. out of all members in ive teaser, wonyoung (and leeseo) doesn't have an expensive set prepared for her compared to other members' sets that look more expensive. yujin & gaeul went to ysl event. ive has multiple covers as SIX members. also multiple guesting as SIX members. that's a lot of things in just a span of a month in ive's entire career and everyone keeps telling that it's only wonyoung that starship pushes? it's just that you don't pay attention to what the others are doing but when it comes to wonyoung it's suddenly favoritism? ive also went to a guesting without wonyoung (bc of music bank). if wonyoung is their favorite why would they allow ive to go on guesting without her? please focus on the others' activities too if you want them to get noticed. starship is putting a lot of effort in the other members' activities only for y'all to say that they ain't doing anything for the other girls.

@trsrhaul the thing is only fans of the group would notice all of that and most people aren't because they are just rookies so you only notice what is shown on their stages and other popular events etc which is wy appearing to be promoted more than the rest If what you said about the rest of it is true then I'm happy for the other girls otherwise it could cause some resentment etc even though it's all the company's fault but them having guestings as 6 members isn't an achievement it's just expected and as rookies that should be the focus not pushing a member that is already well known

why 💀?

that is why you are not a member of IVE.

@@hourlygojo probably because of the unfair treatment, insane diets and overworking the members, i understand how it could be frustrating.

*blackpink>>>Ive*

it the company's fault but it should still stop

@@GiselleOutsold blackpink are racists, and so is giselle

Your right.. Theyre pushing wonyoung to be popular too bad theyve always the apple of eye.

In so many controversial videos for IVE I never saw someone that hated Wonyoung and they directly hate the Company because of the unfair treament. I don't like Wonyoung as to I'm not a fan of IVE, but I keep on reading comments like this.

"The lack of bowing and respect shown to her seniors is also hard to look at." actually that was a minor mistake, also unintended. a lot of idols haven't bowed to the mcees but they weren't dragged for it. plus, ive has bowed to the mcees too but it was cut in the videos posted on tiktok. if you are a dive, you should know how respectful these girls are. please don't judge them over one evil edited tiktok video. they're polite and respectful, and they also bow a lot and thank their staff a lot of times. it's just that one anti evil edited them and made that 'not bowing' issue a big deal when knetz don't even give a fuck about it. knetz were mostly praising them during that encore, only intl. fans made a huge fuss.

Korea don’t give a fuck so why should you? The way i understand more and more why knetz call you guys “roaches”

@@tj.8924 Tbh I can see why they call international fans roaches but they shouldn't be talking because they will hate and tear down an idols career over a simple mistake just like Sulli and Johyung -_-.

@@tj.8924 at least i-fans are open minded and not judgy, and their stupidity didn't cause death to anyone so far

@@jjangwonyoungs6932 THIS.

Shes the most relevant and popular. That's why they hate her

The whole Bowing thing is stupid, they are all humans she should have no obligation to respect or even like someone she is not friends or close with.

@@kaisia6869 yess bowing culture very stupid

@@kaisia6869 No one has to respect anyone, it isn't like a set rule you have to follow. But it doesn't hurt to do the bare minimum and be a bit kind to those around you. (Not talking abt wonyoung just saying in general).

@@kaisia6869 lol stop? It's not hard just bowing someone. Like a member from nct bowed wonyoung but she completely ignored it. It's just rude. Also don't tell me they are rookies because Wonyoung is already a grown-up idol lol

@@emranao4394 it doesn’t matter if it isn’t hard, the point is that she shouldn’t have to do it. It’s not rude, if someone waved at you and you don’t know them you don’t have to wave back. Same with bowing it’s not rude.

girl i dont understand what you are supporting actually but kpop idols bow to younger idols too? the problem is wonyoung is just 17 and too much sex*alized and rude.

@@cernkoc Look I'm not going to be rude because you're clearly a kid by the way you're typing, but my comment isn't the place to trash talk 17 year olds when I'm talking about oversexualization of minors and poor treatment of them. Maybe elsewhere would be better and less hypocritical. We don't know Wonyoung and you waste your time caring despite the girl not having a childhood and being in the spotlight for years. It's stressful, and she should never have had to work as hard as she did as a child. If she acts any way, I would turn my attention to the industry because she never had any rude rumors before. I don't see how a child for over 2 years be in the public eye but no once is her attitude an issue? I'm going to be honest, get a life.

@@SkyrimStoleMyLife bisch im 21 and dont know anything about her or this group i just saw and clicked then saw ur comments. nobody CANT support the se*alization underage girls and its clear this girl's company se*alize her and other minor members. YOU get a life lmao

Bro not only Korea ALL of Asia south and east it will be decades until any of the countries make any change because to them age is just a number( most times ) and the younger the better

@@brono2631 its disgusting

omg its crazy how much i agree with you rn bro

she doesn’t need to bow to nct bitch ass

ive bowed during their entire career, literally the only video where they didn't bow was the minju one which I am pretty sure was simply because they forgot, all of the other videos were edited

Agreed.

I saw a tiktok where they said they HATE Wonyoung because of her "vibe". If that's not extreme jealousy, I don't know what is. 🤣

@@eleventwelve2650 I love her so much and I'm a little angry with all the hate she's getting...Antis are probably edit the video to slammed her.

all points made here in the video are understandable as ive doesn't control what they do except for the attitude/manners part, i am disappointed in them,, yujin and wonyoung are experienced idols, among all ive members, it's them who should know these manners. and even they're not experienced idols, members: gaeul, liz and leeseo shouldn't be exempted here, as they've been in korea for 10+ years.. what happened? they just forgot their manners? i really hope they don't get the hate they deserve, i hope starship does their jobs better, and i hope they can learn from the controversies

@@eleventwelve2650 sometimes they even bring up wonyoung's controversies to hate on her

Agree on that

exactly- I'm surprised and shocked by how much she changed... tbh I liked her better in iz*one. I mean she is a good person but Idk, it just feels like she's isn't in true of herself now.

@@soureny6966 yes

@@soureny6966 eh, not so much the “shy guy” but suave and mysterious, which was the typical “visual” role. Also, he is said to be quiet and shy off-camera and off-stage - it was the mysterious and ‘aloof’ vibe he wasn’t a fan of.

It was such an aggressive change that I can't even buy the whole "bad attitude" because during P A N O R A M A promotions she was polite. It's like, its such an aggressive change that it doesn't feel natural, and if it is, lord have mercy on her

*kep1ler - 🤮 | Ive - 🤟🤟*

How is this even correct lol haha she's basically crying because Wonyoung is getting booked. Y'all think Starship has say to these directors, sponsors, etc ..they want Wonyoung not others.

@@averagetanker5797 this is what people don't understand. Shows don't want unknown people. Wonyoung is apparently the most successful in Izone. She gets brands, shows, etc...begging for her. Starship is only leveraging their asset while Wonyoung is hot and trending. Give the girl slack.

​@@karinarunsaespa hi tae tae love(aka jenniecrushed, aespathetic, LISAesthetic, lalalisa world, blink if you are blink, jennie kim is goodateverything etc, all accs for who you still buy subs just to look popular) still showing your true personality like you always did with your other hate accounts like jennies maid, floraison amethyst, what happened, tae tae barbz, JENNIEOUTSOLDYOURFAVES etc

@@Red-dm7qn I think they're correct about the outfits, they make wonyoung stand out the most purposely, like the black and whites outfit, and the skirt and shorts, I know wonyoung is the most popular one and she's obviously the center of the group, but starship really needs to even it out. But hating wonyoung for being an mc and getting more gigs than the others is really stupid, but I do have to agree that it would be amazing if they send wonyoung and some other members along with her to variety shows instead of her alone so the others also get some exposure (sorry for my english)

Hating on young innocent successful girls: knets being typical. Seriously the amount of absurd reasons here just makes me wanna drive my nuckle into these people's brain and ask why?? And for what??

@@neverlandforever7250 why always Knetz? International fans hating on Twitter and TikTok , too .

This is always something I've hated, there's an age limit which is around 20 where you can't debute or enter a company because you're "old". Yet we even have a ten year old in the industry (Psy's company) , forget 14 year olds. Basically there's no such thing as to young, it's gross how some fans behave alongside comment on idols bodies. There's also those disgusting fan cam channels, some of which inappropriately focuses on certain angles of female idols bodies. Recently I saw one in my recommendations, it was of Somi and they were focused on her chest area "jiggling"🤢. There's even the fanfic writers who don't know boundaries, same for shippers and Saesangs. 🙄

They wouldn't get more hate if it weren't for what they did, straight up ignoring their Sunbae? Who would be happy about that?... I'm not a hater, it's just that, people keep pushing their Innocence in front to cover their mistakes, and it's not acceptable.

​@@neverlandforever7250 it's not actually knetz. knetz adore ive so much especially wonyoung. even korean fans say that even their mothers love wonyoung. it's the international kpop stans who do not even know who wonyoung is are the ones who keep throwing hate. i've seen a lot especially indonesian and malaysian kpop stans. (not all, but a lot)

It looks like people's don't learn. Everyone forgot what happend to Goo Hara and Sulli.

She have pretty privilege, it's true

@@mygod2529 so it's her fault🤨

@@aura7627 What do you mean?

True

yea... not gonna lie, this video seems like a projection by the person who made this. like really extremely well written and researched but it's borderline projecting.

without wonyoungs clout you wouldn't even know ive existed tho, i think the company is doing well using her as promotion.

@@ksjmoon1605 That is true! But in my opinion, they're promoting IVE the wrong way. They're giving Wonyoung too much individualism. It won't do any good to the members besides her in the future. You need to give all of the members the same spotlight if you want the ENTIRE group to be successful.

@@andtipidee exactly

@@andtipidee they just debuted we will probably see all the members shine at the future i don't get why yall are rushing. also i hv seen so many comments hating on the poor girl bcz of that like its her fault .. plus most of the girls in the group are underage so im actually glad they're not getting as much attention, it would affect them even more. yall criticizing the girls for "too mature" clothes and being too revealed but yet you hate that they don't get as much as clout as wonyoung .. i honestly don't get the stan culture. just be nice too all the members. they only deserve love.

@@ksjmoon1605 you are true. It is early in their careers. I never stated anything about the concept or clothes. But when you stated the members do not want to shine because they’re underage, Wonyoung is still a minor too. She might be experienced, but you clearly see the hectic schedule, and overwork due to her personal promotions.

TRUE

@@wonyoungswife9866 wonyoung has no wife, she has husbands.

@@darkravemaster16 Noo 😭 dont u know i simp for herrr

But really all focus is going on Yujin and wonyoung bruh..its really boring ..

@@octopusmusic332 we bringing focus on them, start talking more about the other maybe idk

@@octopusmusic332 It’s not WonYoung’s and Yujin’s fault. It’s the fans and the company. LeeSeo is getting attention because of her age (which I think is ridiculous). WonYoung is also getting attention because SOME people have convinced themselves that she had did PS (they have nothing better to do, so why not play doctor).

Okay as a supporter you would say that but what about the other reasons I found then accurate the concept it's true that they were so revealing and about the izone thing we aren't angry on ive but the company

@@ronc9413 and even if she did we shouldn't care it's her wish

exactly they should stop pushing her

Well she has choosen this life! it wasn"t like she was forced...

@@sinzsio185 still tho. she was only 13, i doubt she was thinking about the consequences of joining such a fucked up industry.

I actually thinks she likes that attention

Especially because, *if* she already has a bad attitude, it could make her double down. Like, if she thinks everyone hates her, that negativity will not be good for her or her personality.

Proves how dumb ppl actually are Like damn hate the company not wonyoung and others Its messed up

she chose this path by herself so she should know how the world judges your every move and it's the truth.. No matter what your attitude is in offcam you cannot show it in on cam, people out in the world will search for every mistake you do and seeing wonyoung, it is simple that people will hate her. No matter what she needs to be responsible and careful in every step she takes after entering the industry...but it's not only her fault but the company's too, the company gave too much spotlight.

@@user-wd8sf6et4v Bruh did Jennie deserve hate bruh? Edit: Blackpink fans change username 🤣🤣🤣

@@user-wd8sf6et4v shes still human though?? everyone makes mistakes, and constantly being in the spotlight doesnt make it any easier

@@gjulia312firstly where tf did I mentioned jennie?, and secondly no she didn't neither does wonyoung. But if you r successful and rich, ofc you will have haters. No matter what. I never hated wonyoung and I will never untill a solid proof but I am just reminding everyone that the path she is in now is chosen by herself and it's the company's fault. I never said it was wonyoung's fault it was her company's, starship's fault. She should get the spotlight but giving the opportunity for the netizens to say "wonyoung and friends"? If wonyoung won't get hate than who will? Will someone hate the company? (Yes I chnged my name from " Blink4ever " , but do I need to take your permission to chnge it?..... I am still a blink and dive, wiz*one and forever will be , you got any probs?)

notice how its always used against female idols

@@az.3564 yep >:(

misogyny

@@DanasGoneCrazy no? wonyoung really act like she is not underage and act so arrogant. there is nothing like misogny these are facts cry more

​@@cernkocRead the comment I'm replying to, they ask why they always say girls in kpop have "bitchy personalities" and it's a FACT that they only use this with women. I never said anything about Wonyoung idk anything about her and I don't care. Learn to read maybe

they just make them debut way too early

I agree. Like, the other issues doesn't really bother me as much as a 14 year old possibly getting sexualized because of their dance moves and outfits. We all know that there's a rumor out there that some companies "sell" their women idols to get more sponsorship or profit, and even if I think Starship isn't that small of a company to do such a thing, it's still unsettling to think of its possibility. Even if that's not the case, we know that there's so much creepy people out there. Knowing how young their idols are and knowing how often they can get sexualized, they could've done more to protect their idols. Especially if they're presenting said minors as if they're adults. At the same time, I think that they're doing it on purpose to stir some outburst and get people talking about the group more. This industry is tricky.

The problem isn't the girl crush/elegant concept. Even girl groups with cute concepts used to be sexualized like SNSD, Twice, I.O.I, and many others. The problem we need to address is their outfits, not their concept.

the outfits literally arent sexualising them??? the problem is the mindset of this society that think women showing skin to any level is provocative. Why r we blaming people for becoming victims in the first place of sexualisation than the people who sexualise others who have no intent in being sexualised instead? Their outfits are fine. If it was men then people won't be as heated

@@gadoliumnitrogen7149 are you serious? Male idols are sexualized too, especially when they wear crop tops or revealing outfits. Wonho, SF9's Taeyang, EXO's Kai, TXT's Yeonjun and many others have been sexualized because of their outfits. It's basic biology and human nature, the more skin you show, the more "sexy" you look to other people. And yes their outfits are a problem when they don't decide to wear them voluntarily but their stylists are the ones dressing them according to the concept. All the members in IVE are still young and some of them are minors so their stylists shouldn't give them revealing clothes.

@@alexss3661 so why are people giving these girls slack when its not them being the problem 🤡🤡🤡

Me 2 🗿🗿

I don't think she has an attitude. I think she is just not really aware of her surroundings. Even if she did it's not kind to say someone let fame and money get to her. Most of the videos that show her "bad attitude" are taken out of context.

"She's still young and is able to learn and change" then let her grow from her mistakes as if you can avoid making mistakes geez. "Wonyoung's attitude is really stopping me from stanning them" sounds like a major hater for me. Why, do u even know her personally to judge her whole attitude? Exactly no.

I think the fame got to her not the money since she was born into a wealthy family.

How do we know she is from a wealthy family though? We don't for sure. Plus, the bad attitude videos are mostly taken out of context, misunderstanding or its normal. it might be seen as rude, but we should try to help her understand that instead of hating on her.

wonyoung and her gross attitude. Just because they are getting known (but not into famous level enough) who does she think she is? Her pretty face?🤢 Hyorin should slap her face, she should wake up!

same i rlly love yujin^___^

I know what is wonyoung best at that she thinks she is the greatest

I honestly loose the smile immediately when she shows up watching MV music videos

Wonyoung didn't even do anything wrong. all of those edited videos of her just did her bad. and people miles away from her talking shits as if y'all know her. People like Taeyeon and many more idols even get depressed at the age of 20-30 for these kind of comments and misunderstood actions how much more this 17-18 years old who just wants to live her best life. Be kind people please, it doesn't take that much to be kind, if you have nothing good to say, just leave your opinions to yourself.

​@Adrita Dhar she doesn't

Completely agree

Exactly. If they wanted to make Won-young and Yujin to shine more than others, why they didnt give them solo careers? Starship needs to understand that this is a group, not ex-izone and their backup dancers.

@@adriellechiaki3891 literally. Let's just pray for the girls it such a shame that they're all had so manya potential even as a rookie but got mistreated by their company

Right like I think In certain things its sexualization when someone views it that way. And for the youngest members age I think she should have more off a childhood idk tho that my opinion

no its problematic because we are not p3d0 lmao

Those Netizens need a life. It's just a pop idol group. How ridiculous can this whole K-pop scene be 🤣

Right?!?! Like they are ignoring a big issue here. A 14 year old is being told by a group of adult to dress up and dance in a "mature" manner, but people focussing on stuff that aren't even a problem.

@@jimenanona4382 disagree. because you can see the clear intent with these companies when they make kids do weird concepts like that. y’all always wanna blame the fans and never hold people accountable.

*I hope I've had same fate like goo hara*

​@@GiselleOutsold hi mate x(aka fairygowon, minaminaj, jennieluv, yvesuslovesus, chaehatesyou, rosiexyeji, winterstar, wjsncard, did someone say draco malfoy etc, all accs for who you still buy subs to look popular), still showing your true personality with one of your hate accs like this one or TWICE BIGGEST GROUP, dahyunie tofu etc

@@GiselleOutsold must be another coincidence that youre still hating with the exact same words and still insult sulli and hara like you always did, even with your stan accounts when you mixed them up with your hate accounts in kbuzz

Shes very talented and has a great attitude

True but controversy made it the've done multiple occasions which if unfair given maybe adenereline came in play.

Finally someone who said the same I really did not like that she tolerated Mingo I never loved

knetz were literally defending them for that 'not bowing' issue and talks about how international kpoppies are being too much to ive and wonyoung. if you are keeping an eye on ive, all of them are sweethearts and they also bow a lot to their seniors and staff but everyone was so quick to judge them over evil edited videos. koreans do not obviously need to bow to each other 24/7 'no? but it's not our culture so who are we to talk about that when even koreans themselves haven't said a single thing over these 'bowing issues'?

korea and japan are similar so obv the bowing rule applies to them but don’t generalise asian countries. im from singapore (which is an asian country) and we do not need to bow when greeting anyone lol. so not all asian countries are as sensitive as shit like korea n japan lmao so dont say “It's not just South Korea that is very sensitive about bowing, almost all Asian countries treat it as a form of respect, that's why Japanese people always bow to almost every people they see.” bc singaporeans dont, thai ppl mostly dont either from what ive heard from my thai friends. if youre gonna prove a point, dont use the same topic of comparison bc ure basically comparing korea n japan when theyre both known for being a friendly and polite country which literally is proving nothing bc theyre similar bruh

@@jaehyunluvr they said “almost all”, which DOESNT mean ‘all’ like youre implying it to mean. but yes they could have made it less broad.

it is been a year and they re one of the biggest gg 4 gen groups

lol , ur just jealous of them

they won daesangs

simp

@@Diesel_Hydro117 uh-huh call me that just because I don't support something negative 🙄

Yeah, they are too young and they should learn how to bow 💀

I agree

They are young. And that's the problem!!! If we as an audience support young kids In a industry then companies gonna hire more kids ( and a entertainment industry is not a suitable thing for a kid to be in ) I mean just look at wonyoung case , she have to face all this criticism at such a young age . And when I say don't support I mean DON'T SUPPORT THEM . I don't mean to bully them

Just don’t believe everything in this video.. Half of the editing here is fake and sadly bad intentional.. like the parts of bad attitude or being disrespectful to twice You can watch the whole vids yourself if you search them, to check.

You are dont know what the real story so dont talk

rei has solo covers. liz has a solo cover. yujin, leeseo and gaeul has a dance cover. all of them has covers with pretty outfits and pretty sets except for wonyoung (excluding the group ones). and go watch their show guesting WITHOUT wonyoung. go and see gaeul and yujin at ysl event. fyi, liz has the longest line in eleven. and wonyoung doesn't even have an expensive set in ive's teaser compared to the other members whose sets look very expensive. other members have individual activities too but y'all don't give a fuck and only focus on wonyoung.

Ok bye!!

@@sowhat1674 the bow thing is an issue and hopefully the girls will be more aware of it being disrespectful but I feel like people were reading into the glare thing.

@@sowhat1674 the bow thing mate are just edited dont just watch clips in twitter just saying

@@sowhat1674 And what about Jennie’s “so called lazy dancing”? People thought she was being selfish and only cared about performing well when it came to her solo song. Same goes for wonyoung, I’m pretty sure people are reading too much into the situation. You can’t expect a person to be smiley all the time, Wonyoung probably spaced out while looking at jeongyeon and people thought she was glaring at her. And as far as ignoring their seniors is concerned, they probably didn’t see them and got caught in greeting an ex izone member.

@@sowhat1674 first of all its wonyoung

exactly

right

I agree too but it's not always fair for the other members as wonyoung alone gets a lot of promotions, it's true she is making the grp famous but the company should promote all of them.

The reason she's most recognisable is because the company only focuses on her use some brain lmao

Agreed just hope it doesn’t end up like Miss A 😐😐😐😐

*lisa same fate as sulli*

@@GiselleOutsold I think your mind has a defect. The topic is not even about Lisa or blackpink but you just want stupid attention. What is in your faith then? Trolling for lifetime?😂

@@proudblink27 they literally said in another comment that blackpink is better than ive, like what?

@@GiselleOutsold **GISELLE GETTING INSPIRED BY SULLI** **THATS WHY SHE WANTED TO COMMIT SUICIDE IN THE U.S. **

@@poixses_ they trolling

True that Starship is to blame but at the same time, I think it's also just marketing tactics to keep IVE stay afloat since they don't have as big of a budget to push idols as BIG4 🤔