the fact that heimmediately agrees LMAO

@@user-mu1yr9ml4k This is "bad" Alistair. All he is saying is just lip service, unlike his "good" version, hence why he agrees so easily or quickly.

@@cttommy73 exactly, he actually stands up for himself and does whats best for him rather than what everyone else wants him to do if you harden him. im usually one to soften my companions but never alistair.

+Kikyo4815 turn on your annotations. I annotated this whole thing.

moarinternets Oh yikes, sorry! Thank you!

Kikyo4815 LMAO

but we still can't see the dialogue options and the chosen dialogues

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Date Masamune No fucks were given on that day

@Rose Gaudreau Well, if you harden Leliana, think she'd have a bit less of a problem with that.

@@shadowstarz3651 she would. In denerim for example if she has been hardened you can have a foursome with her, zevrim, and isabella.

I imagine Morrigan and Zevran listening this conversation

@@svetlanamalavina4350 morrigan is in the corner fake gagging and Zev is like "can I be invited to receive this punishment as well~?"

Hmmm... Die or sleep with the Witch of the Wilds... Even as a gay man, I'd choose sleeping with Morrigan if it means I live (go ahead, call me selfish, I don't care). It's selfish that Grey Wardens are recruited without being told they have to die... They should be able to decide for themselves if that's a sacrifice they wanna make, just like anybody that joins the army knows they run the risk of dying in war.

Anthony Murano To be fair, its kind of hinted at that they die during recruitment. They fight the darkspawn and defend against blights, its obvious theyll have a quicker death - just not as quick as theyd expect.

I'M DED

Double if said Grey Warden Mage is an Elf

"Deja vu, I have been in this place before..."

Thanks for pointing this out. That's what bothers me the most...

I could see Ferelden having a problem with some HoFs being monarch. They are very anti-elf and anti-mage. A noble dwarf probably should be able to marry King Alistair as well though. The stronger ties to Orzammar would be a plus, especially with Bhelen on the throne since it's going to further trade and surface connection. I don't get why Alistair can't name the appropriate successor though (perhaps Guerrin heirs). Alistair could also remain unmarried while keeping the warden as an acknowledged consort or paramour (like Vivienne was in DAI). If Celene can avoid marrying and stay with Briala, so could Alistair with the warden. A morganatic marriage would be another option (where the HoF's only title related to this would be spouse or consort to the king, not princess or queen). Even if we assume that Ferelden is less accepting of official consorts, the warden could still have a 'secret' relationship with Alistair without him acting like he needs to get with someone else. If he didn't need to marry someone else and he could name an heir upon his death, he also probably shouldn't need to be hardened.

You can Marry him if you're a female Cousland and become queen. You just can't marry him if you're an elf because you're an elf and that would be an issue to not only your own racist citizens and nobles, but most likely foreign nobles as well. If you're a human mage it is because magic can never rule man, only serve or whatever that Chantry garbage is. I don't know if you can romance Alistair as a female dwarf, but that would probably follow in the same footsteps as an elven warden anyway.

@@morgantollhall it's unlikely that the people of ferelden would accept a noble dwaf origin warden to marry alistair since the child between the two would be half dwarf, the only one i could see being allowed would be only the noble human origin like how it's the only one allowed in the game.

@@iloveyourunclebob you can make a mage Divine though, but as predicted people dont take well to it.

Wait a second, I'm truly his mistress? The OTHER woman? *Throws table across room.* Fuck it.

+Meow OneDay I know this comment is sooo old, but I'll just answer anyway. You are the other woman only if he marries Anora. He can rule alone, with you his mistress.

Yeah but even if he rules alone at some point he's gonna have to marry and produce a legitimate heir. So you're still kinda in the same predicament.

This can be a minor spoiler, if you haven't played DA2 and DAI: It never says in any of the games that he married (in the span of 10 years)

Stoinescu Giulia I know. Still doesn't make me feel better about the fact.

Christine Well, queen is married for name and blood, mistress(es) are for love and naughty stuff.

I like your canon, I'm gonna adopt it too lol.

when he dumped my city elf i was rteally gutted

I was so heartbroken as well. ;__; I just stuck with it though, because I didn't like the thought of my gal forever having to watch the man she loves in the shadows while he probably knocks up some other chick. 4ever dead......

animalruless Same here tho I didn't execute him but got real angry and just let him leave the Wardens and Marry Anora.

animalruless I was so pissed when he dumped me.

I felt too bad... I loaded a save game too, but i simply made Anora queen, this time! XD

for that to work i believe you have to have Persuasion 2

Diego Brando that's my question. why is the whole producing an heir thing not an issue when playing as a human who marries Alistair?

platypiisaweirdword Because the Cousland name helps legitimize his reign and its nearly as valuable as an heir. The Couslands were well respected among the nobility and it helps smooth over that whole "bastard no one heard of until now" issue that Alistair has among them.

platypiisaweirdword My warden Cousland was actually asked about the whole producing an heir problem after the Landsmeet (this scene), though unlike the others who aren't a noble (or human) there is a choice in the dialogue to proceed the marriage and rule together even if they failed to have an heir. I hope Couslands could be the next royal heir if Fergus ever remarried though.

+Diego Brando PLOT TWIST!!!!

Only with a male warden could you have a human child with Morrigan(if you don't do the dark ritual). With Alistair or Loghain, the child is always an old god baby

uh, i may have interpreted your comment incorrectly, but just so you know, you do not harden alistair by "doing" him. you harden him in a conversation after his personal mission regarding his sister.

guitarwhelp Yeah, i found that out a while after watching this video, my choices in dragon age II went perfect tough, so i'm pleased.

This made me laugh so "hard" xD

This made me laugh for a good 10 minutes, thank you so much xD

The point is it dont't matter wether it is fair or not and wether we like it or not. The world is rather unfair by nature and there are things we cannot change. We must face the reality in this situation. Alistair marring an elf, dwarf or mage will not be accepted by the nobility and the people of Ferelden. Even when you are the hero you cannot change the mind of everyone. You can only improve it. But a marrige will be seen as extremly egoistic by Alistair and his love. Kings and Queens have to marry for the wellbeing of the country and it's stability and power. What will the country do if it seems as if the King will set his personal interests about his country. He only gains his power from the landsmeet and the nobility of it gains its power from the people. Angering one party will bring the King to fall. Nobody knows that Alistair and his cousland Queen are infertile. But the marriage will provide the most stability for the moment and to bei fair Cousland does'nt know either when she announces it in the middle of the landsmeet without asking Alistair before and so he just can't say no. He will also try to break up with Cousland when she does'nt because of the heir problems unless you convince him of you beeing his mistress which is the only realistic and possible way for Alistair and his non noble lover to be happy. Beeing the King's mistress and not his queen does'nt change the meaning of your love and relationship. Marrying is'nt necessary for a love to be true.

It's an excellent portrayal of racism and the discrimination that occurs today, actually. Yeah, it sucks, but that's how it is in a lot of families. It works if Alistair is a GW because GWs have no families or ties to speak of. They can't care less if Alistair married an elven mage.

Just dont make him a king… problem solved

Onestly, after reading in DA2 and DAI how much he was ostracized as king (codex entries) because many believed this bastard heir of Maric's was a fake thing orchestrated by Eamon, i don't make Alistair King anymore. He's way happier as a Grey Warden, especially if the Warden romanced him. The only balanced non ostracized outcome is if he marries Anora, so basically the same as Anora rules alone... I just can't bring myself to do that dirty to him, man. Even with male Wardens.

My headcanon is that Alistair is actually a bigot lmao. He won't stay with my elf because he "needs an heir" and we'd both be Grey Wardens. Oh but when we are both human? No problem! Lol. I'd give him a pass if he actually delved into it himself other than I can't have babies and thus an heir with you. But he doesn't, so that what I've gone to . XD

Vision Of Life this comment hit too close to home. Although can’t you have Zevran as a lover if you’re queen? Just like Leliana can become your mistress as queen?

@@terra_the_nightingale135 My Cousland King married Anora but had Leliana as his mistress. You can have Leliana as mistress to female or male Cousland if you harden her.

Eh, human noble doesn't seem to have any benefits until late game, and I personally don't want to wait that long.

@@channel45853 Omg my comment was so long ago but to answer. Human Noble benefits are late game but the good side about it is that in the DLC and Dragon Age 2 and maybe Inquistion your character if she becomes Queen and marries Alistair gets mentioned. It offers a nice continuity.

@@rosedario12 I think I prefer the warden dying, but I might try a Cousland/Alistair romance

Coffee Moon honestly the thought of him sleeping with Morrigan didn’t disturb me too much after realizing that was our only shot at life. I wouldn’t hate him afterwards since I’m the one who told him too. That and there was the threesome we had earlier in the game with Isabella so

Simple. Don't make him king lol

Or you know play as a cruise line so you can marry him in between.

He needs to be hardened for that, unhardened Alistair will dump PC mistress and can't be convinced. If you play Human Noble his personality doesn't matter.

only the human noble (warrior or Rogue) can be queen. mages can not be granted titles, by either deed or birth. Remember Conner and the reason his mother wanted him taught in secret?

:(

Well, you COULD ask for a title and riches as a mage when Alistair/Anora asks you if there is any boon you'd request from the King/Queen, but you're already dumped by that point, so even if you had a title, it wouldn't matter. :P

Anthony Murano In my canon play my Amell ended up as Mistress -basically queen in everything but title- for a Ruling alone Alistair, and I think it worked out for both of them, specially since 10 years latter Alistair is still ruling "alone" .

AndyG94, even if you're "Queen Cousland", it's basically the same situation of Alistair ruling alone because the Warden isn't around for any of her court duties. She goes to deal with the Darkspawn threat in Awakening and then briefly returns to Court before it's revealed in Inquisition that she is out looking for a cure to the Calling. Basically, your Warden is absent for a majority of the time she/he is supposed to be "ruling", which is why I never make Warden rule with Anora/Alistair in any canon stories. My first canon is Alistair and Anora ruling together with no ritual and Loghain dying to the Archdemon. My second canon is with Alistair as the Grey Warden and lover of the HoF.

I think you're in pretty good company. When this game was newer, I got messages all the time asking how to get this option.

but it like lately when people talk about king Alistair they have it married to Cousland (not that i mind) and if they played as female mage they made stay as a warden they make me feel slightly selfish lol for have my mage stay as his mistress lol

***** funny thing is that I also got rid of Anora, it just felt like i was watching a lot of video that if he was in love with your mage he either stayed as a grey warden or your warden died

harden him, solves all the problems. he has no problem with being king and actually wants to be if you harden him.

I was dalish the first play through and had a great romance with Alistair. He gave me the rose at Haven. Then he broke up with me at redcliff and I was mad so every time since I don't bother with Alistair unless I'm human noble. Zevran is probably my favorite. Leliana is a good pick too. Even when I play as a male I don't want anything to do with morrigan

Same. Only I felt so heartbroken and sad that I just kept going to the very end.... before deleting my elf rouge character a very long time after.

+Juniper Berry I personally think keeping him as a warden is great, even with all the royal blood drama. It's the life he prefers, anyway, and I actually prefer Anora as a ruler. I can't really see him as king - not because he would be a bad one, because he evidently isn't, but because it doesn't feel like Alistair to me. But I can see how making him king would make for a better story. As for being a mistress... Well, I really hate how it's being done. You really have to make him very selfish in order to take that route, and he completely disregards his devotion to the potential wife and child because "he's the king so he can do whatever he wants". From my warden's perspective it would also feel very degrading to assume that kind of role, as she had her pride. Also, as my warden is a Cousland (who will never be queen), there's also the risk of soiling your family's name as everyone knows who you are and where you come from.

doodle Hm, true. But becoming king develops his character. He evolved from a man who has 0 faith in his ability to lead, to a strong and cunning leader, who is loved by the people. He's still the same sweet and delightful Alistair, with his boyish charms, who makes jokes every chance he gets. But he also matured, as is expected of him, and developed a sense of responsibility. And if you harden him, he seems to warm up to the idea of becoming king quite quickly. Who knows, maybe he even turned out to like being king, like being responsible for once. Because we see him doing a very good job. And Anora.,.. well, she really hasn't made a good image for herself. I really don't know what to make of her. One moment she seems to be devoted to her people, another she seems to only want the power of being queen. She's not a bad queen so far. But putting her on the throne just always felt so... wrong. But I do see what you mean. You're right, now I see it's kinda selfish to become his mistress... or even his queen at this point. Ahh, it's so complicated with him. xD Well anyway, thank you so much for answering. You really enlightened me here. :)

Aw, thank you for being so nice :) I love it when you can have discussions with people without throwing in insults and stuff. I completely agree about his character development, which really only happens when you harden him, so even if I feel horrible telling him basically to give up his faith in humanity that's what I always do. But I still keep him as a warden most of the time, so that he can have character development just to make the story more interesting xD I do see the appeal with Alistair as a king... But I just loved Anora from the start. I thought she seemed wise, strong and confident, and the fact that she betrayed her own father to try and set things right is admirable. But by then I didn't know about her betrayal that can potentially happen at the landsmeet.... Although if you think about her childhood and life, it isn't really strange for her to out of her way to ensure she stays on the throne :P

doodle Me too. :) Well, you don't really tell him to give up his faith in humanity. You just make him more aware of reality.You inspire him to stand up for himself. It benefits him greatly. He doesn't lose faith in humanity at all. In fact, this makes him strive for a better future. Wills him to take the throne and become a king who is loved dearly by the people. If he had lost his faith in humanity, he wouldn't be such a great king. And about Anora, I suppose shouldn't judge her so quickly. She did prove to be a very capable queen. It just always seemed right to put Alistair on the throne. I guess I just liked the story better this way. But I suppose there's no real right or wrong here, it's just how a player sees it. :)

Yeah, I was exaggerating a bit with my choice of words. Alistair is a very empathetic and selfless person by nature, and then you say "people are selfish, you should learn that" and that somehow inspires confidence in him. I wish you could have given the option to tell him to stand up for himself more without sounding like a douche xD But the whole thing confuses me so much, because saying that all people look out for himself and he should too should make him more selfish (other than having a mistress -part). But an unhardened Alistair will be a lot more selfish and stubborn to get his way and not become king. And when I hardened him he goes on and on about how he doesn't want to be king right up until the landsmeet when he somehow becomes all noble and is willing to sacrifice his freedom for the overall good. I don't know, I like the idea of personality change but it was done a bit clumsily IMO

cant be queen as an elf. only the human noble can.

Arylwren1 No what I mean is I used a mod that let's you be an elf and the queen.

my bad

@@Arylwren1 I have this mod, and made a human mage marrying Alistair, but dont have the scene of maying him, like the other mod that only human royals can have that scene