Before New France: Natives of the St.Lawrence - Iroquois, Innu, Mi'kmaq and a Beothuk Warning

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The Other States of America History Podcast

The Other States of America History Podcast

3 жыл бұрын

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New France only ever functioned because of the Native population. France designed New France to accommodate the Natives in order to obtain furs and keep out other colonial powers. In this episode we learn about the natives of the Saint Lawrence as they can be best represented before European contact. Focusing on the St. Lawrence Iroquois, The Innu, the Mi'kmaq and the lonely Beothuk located on Newfoundland beyond who will serve as a cautionary tale to the rest of the Natives of the Americas. Google Matshikapeau at your own risk!
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@jamastereel
@jamastereel 2 жыл бұрын
I am Abenaki and Huron Wendake.. You did a good job.. As i am Also French and German.
@denezevezeau7725
@denezevezeau7725 2 ай бұрын
i have abenaki,weskarini,mikmaw,maliseet.all on my dad side- French Indian..im also dutch,german,irish,scottish=viking,cherokee,mohawk,powhatan on my moms side
@risingsun3851
@risingsun3851 2 жыл бұрын
It's about time someone tells the real story of our people thanx brother welalin nitap🙂💯👍
@deansimon1757
@deansimon1757 8 ай бұрын
Re Mi'kmaq pronunciation, an earlier comment was not accurate. The -aq ending is plural and is guttural with -maq very close to "mach" as in mach 1, mach two, etc or the composer Bach would rhyme. The word is actually three syllables, using English phonetics ME-GUhM-MACH for the plural. This is the form used when speaking of the tribe as a whole. Singular and as an adjective regardless of noun number Mi'kmaw ... again 3 syllables ME-GUhM-MAO. I am enjoying your presentation.
@jamesnave1249
@jamesnave1249 2 жыл бұрын
you make such great content! i don't understand why you don't have more attention. thanks for such interesting detailed content on the native americans
@glempsurplember7465
@glempsurplember7465 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks hour long lectures on obscure subjects will never be in fashion, but that's ok.
@normandgallant8106
@normandgallant8106 8 ай бұрын
This guy is a happy person , if you want to be happy hang out with happy happy .
@ryandugal
@ryandugal 2 жыл бұрын
New fav channel. Thanks so much for this content. Too many untold stories, you have your work cut out for you.
@MrZsquid
@MrZsquid 2 жыл бұрын
For the sake of humor though...... It took me a while to realize that the drums were your sound track....... In all honesty, I was becoming a bit intimidated in a paranoid way, about what might be happening outside my house in the darkness. I am glad to have found the true source of those drums. No worries. Say nothing. Act casual. Keep up the good work
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73 2 жыл бұрын
They ask if I smudge. I said no mam, I do not... Usually, when a Micmac smudged it meant it was time for War... But they would paint their faces dark & black. And they would hide in the woods.
@curtisdoherty8742
@curtisdoherty8742 Жыл бұрын
This is some of the best commentary out there
@Boulyshmayswordboi
@Boulyshmayswordboi 3 ай бұрын
These are amazing 👏
@sylviaalambar9350
@sylviaalambar9350 2 жыл бұрын
Very very interesting!
@Zero-hl2zy
@Zero-hl2zy 2 жыл бұрын
Good history lesson ❤👍
@SheriffofYouTube
@SheriffofYouTube 4 ай бұрын
very enjoyable
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 21 күн бұрын
Wish there was more information on the Mi'kmaq people as i have Mi'kmaq ancestry. My great-grandfather could not speak of their heritage because they would get punishment. Sadly i dont know much about my ancestry except knowing my ancestor was a war chief. I dont know anything about him or when he lived or the things he did, which is sad. My grandmother's cousin had paperwork to prove what was stated, but I sadly dont know who has these papers now. 😢
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 21 күн бұрын
@@joegrande4848 it's strange, people think knowledge will just kind of stick around, but it just doesn't if no one commits to writing things down and distributing the information beyond yourself.
@Transportia
@Transportia 2 жыл бұрын
The consensus system of decision-making is also central to Quakers (Society of Friends). And criminal trials in most states (and definitely in Federal cases) require consensus ("unanimous verdict") even though nearly one-third of states where civil trials are concerned only require a majority for a verdict. Interesting to think about the different ways people in organized social groups deal with decision making and to remember that whatever way is preferred, it's may not be the only way a society uses.
@sunmoonstarrays
@sunmoonstarrays 8 ай бұрын
nice 👍🏽
@REALLY365.
@REALLY365. 2 ай бұрын
Micmac Here in Florida.
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 21 күн бұрын
Mi'kmaq in Massachusetts as well. 😊
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73 2 жыл бұрын
This was before there were Tee Pees. The Algonquin lived in Igloo-shaped tents. They would bend these trees & Branches in an arch. Just like when I was a child. They were covered with Animal skins with Fat on them. To Insulate them from the cold...
@lindanwfirefighter4973
@lindanwfirefighter4973 2 жыл бұрын
How could they leave the fat on them....they would rot!
@denistardif6650
@denistardif6650 6 ай бұрын
Wigwams are the name of the oval shaped tents you are referring to we also picked up the toboggan and snow shoes from them. They traded with Acadians and had zero conflicts because Acadians created irrigation ditches making previously un farmable land (because of the swaps new Brunswick people are called bogtrotters and new Brunswick, definitely bay of Funday and Nova Scotia are basically marsh lands with many swaps.
@denistardif6650
@denistardif6650 6 ай бұрын
​@@lindanwfirefighter4973they are not permanently set up so no they did not cake them in animal fat lol. But they were historically made out of tree bark and would be insulted with fur only in the winter. In the summer they had more of a open style to them to let air conditioning n and the animal fat thing even if a highly doubt is true will give the benefit of the doubt that maybe they did it in winter were things done't really rot but again not sur if this as any validity.
@muinej
@muinej 2 ай бұрын
ni'n lnu (I am mikmaw) ... ktaqamkuk (nfld) was a shared territory between our people who knew the Beothuk as Petaouquog (up river people) ... some correction for your narrative here ... m'set noqmaq... 12:32
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 21 күн бұрын
Mi'kmaq here in Massachusetts 😊
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 21 күн бұрын
Aho brother 😊
@unkolawdio
@unkolawdio 8 ай бұрын
Yup,,yes,,here
@MrZsquid
@MrZsquid 2 жыл бұрын
I think that your work, and your presentation of it, are both flawless. It is winter in my region. House and studio time, for the next half of a year....... I look forward to exploring and learning from all of your broadcasts. Incidentally, I am opening the doors to a small "alternative" school within the next three to six months. Could I have your permission to show and discuss your content to and with my students?
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds Great!
@mns8732
@mns8732 Жыл бұрын
I dont understand whereas there are enough animals to make fur trading a livelihood, yet these people starve? I think not. And if they were so promiscuous were are the children? Were they killed?
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 2 ай бұрын
The Mi'kmaq people would practice the bury the hatchet. The person or tribe they had issue with the Mi'kmaq put their hatchet on top of the enemies hatchet. That way if the tribe that had issue or the person had issue with the Mi'kmaq people the Mi'kmaq could grab their hatchet 1st if the person or enemies decide to retaliate.
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73 2 жыл бұрын
I am no geologist, but there stream here in western N.Y. Called Canada way.
@andrevaudrin3164
@andrevaudrin3164 6 ай бұрын
Not quite sure the New France dismantled because of the break-up with the Natives. On the contrary they were with them - on the same side - while the Battle of the Abraham plains [1760].
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 21 күн бұрын
Seems as though the Innu were more or less eskimos. 😊
@Transportia
@Transportia 2 жыл бұрын
really good presentation based on comparison of iroquois and algonquin peoples--but PLEASE lose the sound track of the nonstop snare!! it's distracting.
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 2 жыл бұрын
The newest episodes in the actual podcast feed have less or no backing drum tracks, in reality its a device to hide the slight microphone hiss that could not be processed out
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73 2 жыл бұрын
Smudging was done with Sweet Grass & yes it smelt a lot like Grass...
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73 2 жыл бұрын
Acadia State Park, look @ how it's spelled in Webster's Dictionary. Akkadia, from Asian desent ???
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 2 ай бұрын
No, Acadians were Mi'kmaq and French descent.
@Tipi_Dan
@Tipi_Dan 2 жыл бұрын
"Modern" sensibilities are a passing fancy. Passing right now. Soon to be history. Your presentation is excellent, save for the constant apologies to those harboring faddish modern sensibilities.
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 2 жыл бұрын
I apologize
@Tipi_Dan
@Tipi_Dan 2 жыл бұрын
@@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 That's going a little far. ;-)
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73 2 жыл бұрын
I hope that's not the truth, I have Raynaud's disease... And I'm afraid of my weird abilities ...
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 21 күн бұрын
Id pray for the person and say be healed in Jesus name, thank Jesus for who he is what hes done an continue. After a few minutes ask them and tell them be truthful if theres good change. If theres not continue a few more minutes and pause again. Speak boldly to this sickness in Jesus name. 😊❤
@LazyElkman
@LazyElkman Жыл бұрын
Miigwech
@gwcnetwork9672
@gwcnetwork9672 2 жыл бұрын
Hi
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 2 жыл бұрын
Howdy
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73 2 жыл бұрын
I have to admit, I worked @ a local Casino... The podium officer was an A-Hole... He about shit his pant's when the whole building shook... LOL
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212
@theotherstatesofamericahis5212 2 жыл бұрын
Why did the building shake?
@ChrisVanSlykeCVS
@ChrisVanSlykeCVS 4 ай бұрын
Great job here .... unbiased non moralizing historical account which I respect. I find claims by the Mi'kmaq that there was a grand council pre European contact preposterous ie it doesn't even pass the sniff test. Imagine organizing a large group of 10-12 thousand hunter gatherer people over 300 000 plus km squared with no modern way of measuring time or navigations aids etc. They tried to push this 7 district grand council political organization narrative in several court cases like R v Marshall/Bernard which went to the supreme court of Canada but the courts explicitly rejected their historical factual accounts. Dr Steven Paterson's (a crown expert witness) description was almost always favored when the competing narrative's were presented to the courts. They concluded that the mik'maq lived in small distinct groups of 100-200 people with lose political affiliations between each other. That is why the british entered into separate treaties with each individual community. There was no grand council with 1 treaty. In fact there is no record of some communities even signing the only treaty 1760-1761 that survived hostile repudiation. . The original signatory communities agreed to try and convince other communities to sign the 1760 version; if there were a grand council this would not have been necessary. In the R v Marshall 1999 decision the supreme court decided the right to trade is restricted to the tradational territory of the community not the nation. There have been trial cases where claims to fish lobster were rejected because one member today was claiming rights to fish in the historical territory of another community 200 km apart.
@jessica1968ns
@jessica1968ns Жыл бұрын
Phonetically speaking Mi'kmaq = Mig Maw , M'sit No'kmaq = All my relations , I have tested with 5 dna companies and belong to the X2a1b , my mother was full Mi'kmaq , at least one of her ancestors was Beothuk , but I found she has it on both her paternal and maternal lines , the Beothuk's integrated with the Mi'kmaq .
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 2 ай бұрын
I had direct family tell me that I have Mi'kmaq and Iroquois ancestry
@jessica1968ns
@jessica1968ns 2 ай бұрын
@@joegrande4848 Amazing Joe , test your dna we may be related
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 2 ай бұрын
​@jessica1968ns I used a bunch of dna tests. I didn't smoke, drink or eat and got different results from each one lol 😂
@joegrande4848
@joegrande4848 21 күн бұрын
This is hilarious 😂 a God of butts, i bet after some chili and fry bread with a pint of Guinness hes quiet powerful 😂 I hear usually if a person talks nonsense theyre talking out of their butts. 😂
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73
@damageincorporatedmetal43v73 2 жыл бұрын
I'm, beading have, now's the time to reinvest. Puy in some High-end Coin Pusher Machines !!!
@MM-yl9gn
@MM-yl9gn 2 жыл бұрын
Omg can't somebody give those guys some peyote and a harem already. Keep them off the internet or at least from connecting with real people.
@SherriP
@SherriP 2 жыл бұрын
Happy Holidays everyone and praying for you all. God bless 🙏🕊️💕🔥🙏 Jesus Christ is the son of God who died and rose three days later and loves all of you. He died for everyone and wants you with Him, to know Him and live for His glory. Come be saved eternally and spend time with Him to know Him. Be free forgiven healed delivered saved baptized and let Him show you how He is everything you need. Ask anything in His name
@MM-yl9gn
@MM-yl9gn 2 жыл бұрын
Omg. They're really going to do the alien thing again?
@seanwhelan879
@seanwhelan879 2 жыл бұрын
Tipees
@karelvorster7414
@karelvorster7414 Жыл бұрын
Primitive peoples always knew that fat is good for you. Fat doesn't trigger any insulin response. Fat doesn't make you fat, sorry Ancel Keys.
@maureencopeland5300
@maureencopeland5300 Ай бұрын
As always men have the power
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