BEFORE YOU BUY - Hard vs Soft Luggage / Panniers
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4 жыл бұрынThis is exactly what I wish I would've known before deciding whether to go with soft vs hard panniers before embarking on the Trans American Trail.
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@leonbeck6254 4 жыл бұрын
Hard bags for the open road and mild off road. Good change. No broken bones for Ashley. You all be safe. Bubble rap Freddie. Get well soon. Doc rocks peace love to all.😎🏍🇺🇸
@michaele1201 4 жыл бұрын
Soft bags on the side... A lockable hard box on top. Best of both worlds. 👍
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
good idea! 👊
@theyoungconservation 3 жыл бұрын
yep, best option ever! all electronic and sensitive equipment goes to the top box, less expensive/important stuff on the side
@treytucker5619 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@shaneksmith1957 2 жыл бұрын
Smart! I like your idea of being able to bang out a hard bag. Showing what the hard bags can do to a leg is a game changer for us along with your suggestion that after a drop or two the hard bags get less waterproof.
@skulldaddy8431 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Video Adam.. sold the Roadglide about a year ago and have been looking for a new direction.. and fell in love with the GS Adventure.. Will be purchasing soon.. and have been beating up the bag question. Stay safe brother.
@dennisunglesbee1391 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I like the look of the soft bags on the BMW. Looking forward to seeing the trip to Sturgis. Stay safe and enjoy.
@TAT2D-SQRL 4 жыл бұрын
Always a great insight, good job Adam keep it brother 👍
@lroacho 3 жыл бұрын
I have the Mosko Moto 35L panniers and 40L duffle bag along with the locking straps that allow me to cinch down and lock the bags tight so they are less likely to be stolen or rifled through. I weave my straps through the beavertail and the locking bar and I can lock my jacket and helmet to the bag when I leave my bike to go into a store or restaurant. I definitely recommend getting the locking straps from Mosko Moto as they will key the locks all the same.
@jimwms1able 4 жыл бұрын
100% agree on your comments. I do like the hard bags when not on trails because fo security. Off-road....soft is the best!
@ADVScott342 4 жыл бұрын
Agree soft bags are the way to go, and the best thing about having multiple bikes I keep the duel sport packed with all gear and ready to go , can make spur of the moment trail riding,camping plans and take off in minutes 👍
@dynaridingnz 4 жыл бұрын
Itll be bloody cool if they made a pop up tent come canopy awning thing that attached to saddle bag,
@WildOn2sVlog 4 жыл бұрын
Good info. I have hard bags on my Chief DH. I noticed off the beaten track soft might be the way to go but 95% of my rides are not off road. So hard is my fav
@RedNeckBiker109 4 жыл бұрын
Mosko Moto is the best! I love mine! The nomad tank bag is insanely good!
@TechnMoto 4 жыл бұрын
Tough lesson. But ya safety first security second. Great vid/tips
@HaXaW5150 4 жыл бұрын
After the change I do like the soft bag look, but before the change I loved the hard bag look, so I'm you gave us both.
@michaelbarras6950 4 жыл бұрын
Looking at that road along a cliff in the beginning of this vlog, you were flerting with disaster Adam. Whoa! Cheers you made it!☝️👍✌🇺🇲 Safety is key!
@mixfixdave7571 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great videos guys! I was worried about those hard bags on the TAT...just glad it was Freddy’s ankle and not Ashley’s.😬 It’s a great story when your buddy gets scuffed up a bit...girlfriend not so much!
@johnnyturbo8460 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion.. Soft bags are the way to go. 1. When they are full they are full. But when empty you can roll them up . 2. Soft bags are lighter. 3. You can use them as a pillow if need be. 4. In a crash the hard cases can be bent out of shape and not close or seal correctly. 5. Its less likely to get your leg pinned back by them in a crash. And my list could go on In my opinion the hard case only has 2 pluses. 1. They are more secure from thieves trying to steel your things. 2. Won't tear when driving by sharp objects ( branches , rocks etc). Lol final note: I LOVE MY SUZUKI DR650!
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
you raise some good points 👊 thanks for sharing
@johnnyturbo8460 4 жыл бұрын
@@adamsandoval 🇺🇸🤘😁👍🇺🇸
@jbkrab 4 жыл бұрын
I am in the same situation. Have the hard bags, but going to keep them. Looking into proper protective boots. I feel that is where the money is better spent. New decent bag set runs about $1K. Decent boots, about half that.
@djh3_88hinskey5 4 жыл бұрын
The hard bags kind of look cool. But after Freddie's tip over I can definitely see the disadvantage to the hard bags. I believe you will find the soft bags can carry more also. When we tour on my Victory Cross Country I still pack my stuff in those vacuum bags. Air and water tight.
@vagnersteinindustries598 4 жыл бұрын
I run hard bags for highway and switch to soft for camping and off highway
@norriemasson4080 4 жыл бұрын
Sensible decision for hard core off roading Adam. Anything else hard luggage for the security aspect with inner bags. Enjoyed the series of vids. Hope Sturgis goes off peacefully.
@mkoehler222 4 жыл бұрын
Ive been looking into the Moscow Moto stuff myself and they do look great .Thanks for the review and keep safe on your travels.Mark
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
I would definitely recommend them. lots of easy to access pockets, among other things. it seems that alot of thought was put into the design
@mkoehler222 4 жыл бұрын
@@adamsandoval Great, thanks for the reply and it looks like they are a US. Company in Oregon. Maybe you were there in person I think. I really enjoyed your ride. You're a cool guy and I'm sure everyone that follows you feels like they've known you for a long time. Mark
@Chris-wx3kp 2 жыл бұрын
I use a gun case for my electronics in my soft bags. Also, you can insert dry bags with your belongings inside the soft bags and just pull out the inside bag and take it inside with you for security
@BroomieIam 4 жыл бұрын
Soft bags makes since for off road. Now, I can’t wait for the ride to Sturgis!
@roadgent7921 3 жыл бұрын
Soft for sure when trailing or mix. An important consideration you didn't mention is the effect of spills and vibration through the panniers to the sub-frame. Check out Mondo Enduro and Terra Circa for some luggage lessons. Thanks for vid.
@petermydliar4583 2 жыл бұрын
Very good I am begginer you helped me thanks.
@mattfire7794 4 жыл бұрын
After watching all the videos I would definitely use the soft bags for sure.
@chrislacosse6500 4 жыл бұрын
Great job.Adam seeing what happened it would be easy to bash the hard bags completely! But you didnt and showed the good for both..I was the guy to trash the hard bags after Freddy getting hurt. Great video
@thevoiceinmyhelmet3827 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing thats great info.
@paulmartin3354 4 жыл бұрын
Good first hand info Adam
@tanastaton9521 4 жыл бұрын
Great review! I prefer the soft bags for sure ! 🇺🇲✌🇺🇲
@RoadKing05FLHR 4 жыл бұрын
Great choice.
@ScrambleNorth 4 жыл бұрын
Love my Mosko Moto products-stuff is solid
@fijijakes 4 жыл бұрын
I have the same bike as Ashley’s with the Atacama bags, made by Mosco Moto. So far, so good👍. Being a new adventure bike rider, I had a major fear of breaking my leg with the hard cases. I do have a hard top case, if I need to lock up something valuable.
@insatiable_mind Жыл бұрын
That’s it. I’m getting soft bags for now. When I have more confidence or know I’m going to stick to the road and want security I can get boxes.
@joelwalker2044 4 жыл бұрын
Great comparison
@WillysPerformanceCycleCtr 4 жыл бұрын
On the bigger Adventure bikes, the hard bags may be ok for highway and light duty gravel road use. But, on any off road bike for true “off-road” use, regardless of size, soft bags are the only way to go. There is a no pair of boots that will protect you if pinned by the hard luggage. Not worth the risk. Adam and Freddy were very fortunate to have support close by and get him help. Having Doc, a military medic, on the team was very good in this case, but highly unusual. Ride safe my friends! Have a great time in Sturgis. Looking forward to your next video!
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
you're right... having doc around sure did make all the difference.
@Youtube_Globetrotter 2 жыл бұрын
Soft side bags and a hard top bag sound like a good option.
@mariopalacios6167 4 жыл бұрын
Very good information
@joejones3469 4 жыл бұрын
Great Choice. I think better.
@toddclark332 4 жыл бұрын
Peace love and ride brother 💜
@jeffmorris739 4 жыл бұрын
Mosko Moto makes some really good stuff and is what I would use. Much better choice for Ashley.
@kazmermeszaros6796 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ottomatic7823 3 жыл бұрын
Cost factor is huge. I just ordered Touratech hard luggage. My Tiger 900 will be more utilitarian with little zero off-road, just dirt road. I'll be going to the grocery store in style at least.
@user-sw2lv3zp6o 2 жыл бұрын
I like the high mudguard on the Africa Twin.
@DeBa1226 4 жыл бұрын
I still think I’d opt for a lighter enduro bike like a Husky 501, with a desert fuel tank, and pack Light with only something on my back, as though I’m hiking the Pacific Coast Trail. Bulky bags out on the sides of those bikes look like ones balance and lack of maneuverability is totally compromised. I might be wrong, but it just does look the right part.
@fabienpics 2 жыл бұрын
MOSKO MOTO 🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇 I USE WHIT MY R1200GS
@lowrider9367 3 жыл бұрын
If I had to start from scratch on my panniers. I would definitely go soft for mild to wild off roading. For just some dirt roads I have found my hard panniers to work just fine. But yes, no joke on the safety aspect. Soft panniers are far safer...
@Biker758210 4 жыл бұрын
Me personally I would use the softer bags when off-road but hard bags on street. Hope Freddy is doing okay.
@Bikernewscanada 4 жыл бұрын
It looks way better and a pro is that they can expand or contract depending how much you put in it
@lifeliners1 4 жыл бұрын
Good job but the hard bags looks better on the GS
@rodneyaiken1742 4 жыл бұрын
I'm new to your channel and I had just watched the Deals Gap video and almost commented on the hard bags being leg breaker's. No I wish I did.
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you found us! lots of great content coming out...so I hope you're subscribed. stay tuned for sturgis! 😎
@BrunoMendoza09 4 жыл бұрын
Ride my Triumph Tiger 900 with Adam is my dream since I was little
@riorica1 4 жыл бұрын
I gotta get some soft bags. I have the hard bags that I purchased with the bike and they're serving me well for now, but I do hope to be doing some more adventures in the future and I will be getting soft bags. For now, I am using my bike as my only transportation at school and need the security. I don't see it as really a difficult choice at this point - both hard and soft bags have their place, but neither do it all really.
@markkulyas2418 3 жыл бұрын
When you went down with the hard panniers, did it ever do damage to the rack system or your frame? Thanks for the video.
@boneyardbiker 4 жыл бұрын
Looks a lot better
@andrewtreloar7389 2 жыл бұрын
Soft bags for the panniers and an aluminium top case - best of both worlds!
@rickeyvarga5432 Жыл бұрын
Agree 100% ...locking security and hard protection for more valued and fragile items, with the safety of the soft panniers to hold other items
@theodoreberbach9562 Жыл бұрын
@@rickeyvarga5432 to be fair, any motivated thief will just open any hard case in 2 minutes with a hammer and a screwdriver. Even those hard containers are made of lightweight aluminum, any average human swinging a hammer can put a dent in it
@rickeyvarga5432 Жыл бұрын
@@theodoreberbach9562 No doubt and probably with just a screw driver! But putting more valued/fragile items in the hard top box gives a little more protection when not if the bike goes down.
@athewake 3 жыл бұрын
Tell us about the gas can storage that looks pretty cool.
@adamsandoval 3 жыл бұрын
fortunately, I didn't have to use it much. great system though
@bigbird2424 4 жыл бұрын
I like the soft look better Adam
@wagter01 4 жыл бұрын
Soft Luggage for real Off-road, always! Don't get your legs between the hard Panniers
@MrWizardofozzz 3 жыл бұрын
I have both and I've found that when I fall over, the soft luggage allowed my foot to be sometimes crushed and even pinned me in a couple rides, where the hard luggage offers room to prevent crushing and or trapping me.. I have never had my foot pinned between the ground and the hard case, so maybe it's a preference, but I find it safer for hard luggage..
@6howiesadventures832 4 жыл бұрын
Broke my fibula right at the ankle with hard bags on my BMW R1200 last October in sand. Didn’t know what I was doing. Definitely going to get some soft bags. Until then staying on the tarmac riding the Harley-Davidson.
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
I'm seeing more and more that soft bags are the way to go, especially in sand
@forrestbaucom1509 4 жыл бұрын
Both habe advantages and disadvantages. Seems like a hard trunk with soft bags would work.
@stevenking2469 3 жыл бұрын
Good advice. Very well said. Hope Freddy in healing well. Can we get an update on the status of Mr.Freddy please?!?
@adamsandoval 3 жыл бұрын
🤔 not a bad idea. stay tuned
@twotiretirade4624 4 жыл бұрын
Broken legs are no good. Funny thing about riding off road, we fall a ton. I guess when you fall one could train themselves get your legs out of the way of the hard bags...
@mikemorgan8792 4 жыл бұрын
If I was to ride the route you have just finished and what I have seen them go through, I would pick soft bags , from your lesson learned with Freddy, that’s no fun.
@seedlessgrapes2605 4 жыл бұрын
You look good. It did you good
@RaulMartinez-rb3pw 4 жыл бұрын
Great advice 👍
@razzrasmussen5773 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your insights. Do the soft bags have reflecting cloth? Might be another consideration for safety.
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
there is some level of reflectivity, whether it be on purpose or not
@LawrenceBroussard 4 жыл бұрын
The Soft bags look better on the GS!
@1twistedcpl6575 4 жыл бұрын
safety over convenience...the latter is at the hotel off the interstate
@hunteroftruth4986 4 жыл бұрын
Soft for off road but hard lockable bags for the road! Soft bags look much better on Ashley's bike.
@frostbitevinnie 3 жыл бұрын
Soft bags only for me. Mosko has quick detach so offloading to a hotel is simple. I never keep electronics in a pannier. They only go in my top duffle where the only way any damage could occur is if I loop the bike.
@adamsandoval 3 жыл бұрын
good points 👊
@Kyle-ue5uj 4 жыл бұрын
With motorcycling I think the best part of doing it wrong, is getting to do it all over right, assuming you don't break a leg on the trip - poor Freddie.
@AT2021Rocker 2 жыл бұрын
I personally know 2 riders who have broken bones due to hard bags. A far as security just use some good cable locks. Electronics go in a trunk bag not the saddle bags.
@CountryBoyMoto 4 жыл бұрын
I would be soft bags all the way also
@humaidalqubaisi9194 4 жыл бұрын
Soft wrap on the hard bags. two in one.
@seedlessgrapes2605 4 жыл бұрын
3500 miles u are King
@waynesiminski8268 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt I would even bother owning a bike like that if I wasn’t doing off road riding so staying at a hotel is probably a stretch anyway. Soft bags all the way for the safety and looks. Those hard bags look like you’re doing milk deliveries or something. Just my opinion. Thanks
@jimg7421 Жыл бұрын
The weight and the cost is also a factor to be consider
@hsmith3844 4 жыл бұрын
Does Miss. Ashley have problems with the seat height of the BMW 800? Thanks for the info.
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
she has found that it is slightly higher than ideal for someone of her stature but it's a great machine
@xploreonwheel 3 жыл бұрын
can you please share or make a video on BMW modification look like for extra gas is done behind the panniers ...can you please share
@adamsandoval 3 жыл бұрын
🤔
@reaversadventure 4 жыл бұрын
huh im sure I suggested soft bags for both bikes way back before you all left on the trip......
@hube45679 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe soft side bags and a hard top bag
@jamesplatek6188 4 жыл бұрын
The mounts on the Beemer need to be rethought. Seriously Adam
@kouvanos 2 жыл бұрын
Are there any soft bugs out there that you don't have to install bars to put them on? 😕😕😕😕🤔
@cowgirl3251 4 жыл бұрын
I like those a LOT better..
@roon101k6 4 жыл бұрын
Will the mosko moto bags with sqaure style Rack or only Round tubed racks?
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
they have a variety of different styles
@phillipperkins6230 4 жыл бұрын
Looks better with the soft bags anyways 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🗽
@aarondeere 4 жыл бұрын
That cliff riding is crazy. Braver than I am. Was that in Nc?
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
the cliff riding was further out west. you can check more out here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpljm5Wnl73YeYE.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbZ9p9V32K3Up3k.html
@andylomerson2797 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam. Great vid. What tires are you guys running? I never thought about leaving your bike to walk around town and not able to detach the Moskos and store em. Food for thought. Probably go with the softs anyway.
@adamsandoval 3 жыл бұрын
here's is a video that shows the tires I went with: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/puCmlLqntdrDgqs.html and one of the upgrades I did: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eKdzYLyS1LjRXZc.html
@andylomerson2797 3 жыл бұрын
@@adamsandoval awesome. Thanks for your reply. Subing!
@claudiorosales6032 6 ай бұрын
soft is 100% better for adventure motorcycle!!!
@chrishunter5041 4 жыл бұрын
There's a system for every occasion it just picking the one for it, so now you'v kitted the BM with soft saddlebags whats the new adventure?
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
Ill fill you guys in as soon as I figure it out 🤣 first, we do STURGIS!
@stephan4ever64 3 жыл бұрын
Have you looked at Semi-Rigid bags like "Lone Rider"?
@adamsandoval 3 жыл бұрын
I have not tried them 🤷🏼♂️
@michaelradke5060 4 жыл бұрын
are you and Ashley stopping in Montana on your way to Sturgis?
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
we're just taking it as it comes... just stopping when it feels right
@jesseonamotorcycle Жыл бұрын
I just purchased some hard panniers for my new tiger 1200 but I think I’ll return them.
@adamsandoval Жыл бұрын
I just did a video on the tiger! You can check it out here 👉🏼kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mcVnY5doq8zel5c.html Let me know if you agree 👊🏼
@jesseonamotorcycle Жыл бұрын
@@adamsandoval already did buddy and left a comment great video 👍🏼
@sdefiel3719 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't a strap/buckle break on the soft bags? Yeah, I go with the soft bags. I TOLD you to go with them before you got them! ;)
@timdavis8154 4 жыл бұрын
Do you think if the front of the hard bags had more of an angle, Freddie's leg may not have been broken?
@adamsandoval 4 жыл бұрын
it's hard to say. 🤷♂️
@richardhedrick5601 4 жыл бұрын
I have never liked hard bags much rather have soft bags
@Transphoenixbiker 4 жыл бұрын
Soft bags. Theyre water proof. NOT gonna break your leg if you fall. Probably adds cushing for the bike aswell when you drop it. If you lane split and get to close your not gonna scratch paint just bump it. Soft bags 100%
@martin4819 2 жыл бұрын
You would be amazed at the security a bike cover provides. Thieves like to see (or how they will steal) what they are going to steal and will typically ignore a covered bike. Granted, if I had a computer or drone I’d take them out. I always cover my bike if it’s goi g to sit. I like soft luggage. A crash is just too hard on mounts. I’d also avoid soft luggage that have “quick mounts” they can brake too. I keep several straps and can strap down soft luggage. Not so easy with hard panniers. Soft luggage also has a lot more storage flexibility if u really need it.
@adamsandoval 2 жыл бұрын
We learned the hard way why soft bags are the way to go: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nLBlq82rv7fKoo0.html
@monolunarazul 2 жыл бұрын
Tusk Olympus are just as nice as mosko, but one third of the price only.
@adamsandoval 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know!
@theChestnutMtnTinman 4 жыл бұрын
Soft look better😎😎
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