This film must have been made in the early 1980 s

there were many nighttime "Vice" channels in the 80's in the USA as well. Some were pay-per-view channels. Nevertheless, Americans jumped right into the controversial topics despite societal norms. The Brits weren't the only ones. The Stonewall Riot of 1969 is perhaps the first Gay Pride of the world

No over dramatic non sense americans do but like the french to

Honey Pea The early 70's. Many cars in the film were 60's vehicles- like the Mark 1 Cortina

So very true

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Well, us gays are still judged. In larger cities we are a bit less judged though.

@@GallegosBestInk I'm sorry. That makes me so aggravated to hear. Like, a guy can be a super macho hetero and his friend be a gay super femme...it doesn't make any difference what someone else is, as long as you like the person that they are! Who you associate with, doesn't have to make you any different! Judge the person, not their sexuality/race/color/income level/etc...ugh.

My best friend is straight too :),he has my back totally we’ve been accused of sleeping with each other though has that happened to you and your friend ?

crazzi-j north certainly has many times people have speculated about my friendship with other men. I am fortunate that my straight friends ignore such nonsense and are not afraid to show their love for me in public.

I'm sorry.

You are amazing for this, thank you.

Parent of a gay child? Voted foe Biden huh. Good job

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I was in my 20s in the 80s and you are spot on about the great leap forward from then to now.

Ur cute

apologies for stalking your insta., love your love of our history.... then the 2 yr post A little Motivation, made me smile. Loving the family posts too... just watched No Hard Feelings and Just Friends, and loved that Gods Own Country was filmed just down the road - so many great feel good movies coming out... we have moved forward... mostly.

And just think, we are lucky enough of be able to "record" all this for prosperity.

I’m two years older than you, but I could have written your comment. I came out to my parents in 1987 after my first boyfriend dumped me and my world came crashing down. Mum was ok, but dad reacted badly. Right up to the day he passed away in 2003, he refused to talk about it.

I arrived on the London Gay scene at about the same time as you. I agree that it was exciting and scary. It was good to be away from the conservative views of my parents and to explore my sexuality. I met some lovely guys in London but I met my one true love in the North. I hope you find a loving partner again.

@@lancalad1 thank you for sharing your story with me. Kind of you to wish me luck in my quest for love. All the best to you also.

@@Aussiemarco I hope your life is happier now? That's a shame about your Dad. My parents are really good about it now, thank goodness. All the best to you.

Rabbit64 SJ well my story, I was in a relationship with my late partner for over 20yrs and we were activists for equality etc. unfortunately Chris passed with cancer 22 yrs ago. I thought that was the end for me to have a loving relationship again. Wow some months ago my first love contacted me after 63yrs no contact? The result I am at 78yrs old engaged to be married. Never thought that would happen.

Thank you for being so true & strong

I spotted the Gay's the Word sign during the march. Do you know if that is the bookshop in London?

SO???

@@riv6580 I thought it stood for "Significant Others" but rereading it doesnt make sense at the end! So I want to know too now 🤣

I was a teenager in the 80s , and a lot of my friends didn’t even make it to 25.

Thankyou for sharing, it is a lovely story. When did he die?

Anne Miller,Beautiful story!

My grandfather, too. He would have been older than your Grandfather, born in the 1890s. I only have one memory of him and he was deeply unhappy. I was at that age where I was too little to hold hands so I just held his finger. He was trembling and looked like he'd been crying. My mum told me, years later, that he'd recently had ECT. After years in psychiatric hospitals he eventually took his own life in 1965. Homosexuality had been decriminalized but it seemed too late to bring him any kind of peace. He hated people who were openly gay. I think because he'd lived so many years with the daily terror of being found out.

Thanks for your story. I am gay and was young in the 80´s. AIDS was really a living nightmare. I thank God for that it is over now.

who cares bozo cry

My granddad still referred to my cousin's husband as "his friend" Dennis, even after 10 years of marriage ... He wasn't hostile or mean towards them (or me or my gay aunt), he just refused to acknowledge it... which is its own kind of passive aggression I suppose.

You'd actually exploit them like an accessory.

@@Barbe Explain?

i felt like i was reading this from a southern african family. i too had a great uncle who had his own partner ( a roommate) . we know what was up we didn;t put words into it either. they survived in the open and hidden in the african context where gender roles are 100% strict. there are zero blurry lines. they spend their entire existence together within the family compound .

Me Aunty Elsie (actually a distant cousin but raised as my great grandaunt - her mother was the latter but she was raised as her real mother’s sister by their mother) was openly living with another woman in the 1950s in Bristol, and everyone knew but no one _said_ they knew, not in front of company. In the 80s her Mrs, Aunty Rose (we all called her Aunty, like they were married) was always introduced to everyone as “Aunty Elsie’s friend, Aunty Rose”. I now really feel for them both having to deny themselves on a daily basis. I only met her once but would LOVE to talk to her now.

Jorge A. Melendez this is just so sweet. god bless you both ♥️

Jorge, you and your partner sound lovely ❤❤❤❤

Have you filled out your application yet?

@GIANCARLO G. GUERRA lol

Congratulations! What is the secret to a happy marriage?

Right now you're gay in the 20s 😯

Ryan, so true. Sadly these men are probably all dead today. Feel for them. My niece is gay and thank god everyone in the family are happy for her and her loves

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haha!

If you make it to the 30's - doing men in the booty!

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Same here. Love is love.

me too i need more historical gay documentaries.

Its not love , its lust . A man can never love another man like that and same is for a woman. The heart deceives as its written in the bible and the devil is doing great work because were opening the door for him. This man proved it. He said that he fist started looking at boys bottoms. He didnt say he loved a boy first. Repent and run away from these things. As much as heaven , hell is a true place and most of us will go there

​@@emperorofplutoand lust is lust. This is lust not love

It wasn't the 30s but we had names for everyone we saw going out but weren't acquainted with anyone in their circle of friends.

graphite That was really funny! 🥰

Hilarious

Oh snap! The shade is too real...

30s shade .....😂😂😂

I had a wonderful kind gay uncle. He was the best to my sis and me so funny to be around and always laughing. We ended up over the top girly girls . I know my uncle would love it haha.

Beautiful!

I knew a wonderful gay man, by the same name, in North Beach, San Francisco. Out and about before the entire Castro Street culture. He had terrific stories of The City back in the day.

@@gilbertianrueda hai

How does one curse like a lady?

Hi. Are you in the UK ? How did you come out and if so how did you feel ?

A . S As the mother of a gay child (she’s 20- time flies), I understand your desire to know more, especially in the UK. But I do hope you know you’re asking extremely sensitive questions. I’m not sure you’d pose it to a heterosexual, but it’s quite sensitive and I’m not sure many are willing to go down a potentially harmful, traumatic and quite personal memory lane. I’m sure you can find out this info if you politely ask a trusted friend. Love & Light from Miami✨✌🏼 Stay safe everyone🌎 Katherine

Hard to ever find loyal partner...the wish is still present in my 70s.

Susan Bannister very true for all ages and sexual orientations, unfortunately. 😔

Dewi Lew Got that right. But I think if we’re lucky to have experienced a great love in life, I’d say we’re lucky. Some NEVER experience a love like that. I feel really bad for those who haven’t.

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I'm naming you Gilda and I'll be Doris, dear. I'm popping out to make a few Bob whilst getting musical with the sailors 😉

Times have certainly changed. A very interesting video to watch

It's on KZfaq. Thanks.

the BBC drama The man in the Orange Shirt, in 2 parts, is excellent (on YT too)

As in the song lyric ‘It’s not unusual to be loved by anyone’?[

That’s amazing!

@@andyandthedevil Yes, a hell of a lot has happened in the last 40 years!

Thats really incredible!! So cool!

I’m sorry to hear that 💔

I'm so sorry to hear that. May he rest in peace.

Someone went off topic.

omg im so sorry. there are no words to help the pain

I’m sorry

Luboman, in Australia in tje 80s it was still "a friend of Dorothy's though that was on its way out.

Shaftesbury Avenue, (not Street).

@@Bouncybon Oh, yeah, Shaftesbury Avenue. LOL.

Totally!

Yes. Yes we are !

England and Wales legalized homosexuality in 1967. Scotland 1981. N Ireland 1982. Yeah, so much for way ahead ...

We were and still are.

I should move to Britain or Australia. It's ridiculous over here in the USA. The republican party doing everything to suppress people's rights. Even voting rights they come up with laws to prevent mail in ballots or the "gerrymandering" redrawing of the districts . Literally legal illegalities

I'm a former nurse and remember the fear of that time. I never thought I would see another health scare that is so frightening,

Not only for gay people, but i guess gay people will always be associated to AIDS. The world needs education and information.

@@th1agu Primarily it was gays who got it. Yes it's transmissible to anyone who's sexually active but it primarily was in the gay community at the time. Now it's primarily in Africa, prostitution, drug addicts and gays as well but not as much as the other groups.

@@lucifer2b666 Heterosexual people too

@@lucifer2b666 It was also in the blood supply. Hemophiliacs - especially young kids - also were victims of the hysteria. Google the Ray Brothers for a sample of how cruel people can be to innocent victims of a virus (as if 2020 hasn't been enough of a lesson ;-) )

The Scran Line: This made me laugh. 😏 ❤️

Congratz!

Congratulations!!! God bless your musical Union! ♥️

Congrats!!! 🎵🎶🎵🎶

I guess you both like blowing each other's horn and flute and will be taking music lessons up the wazu! ;)

Why should u have venues if u want 2 be equal?

@@pleidiolwyfimwlad2104 Because people often like to hang out with others with common interests.

I remember as a young man the first time I ever had sex, I was scared to death! I was all alone.

safety @@pleidiolwyfimwlad2104

why would I go to bed with a woman when there are so many sexy men out there?

I have no interest in trying to seduce hetero men, but if even my mom could tell you were gay, I probably wouldn't be into you.

Or as Boy George said: "If I wanted to have sex with a queen, I'd buy a mirror."

💀gotcha

with a lot of explosions like Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture

You were in this video???

​@@cristyluv1205 Millennials would be shocked to know MANY of us from the Early 80's are STILL ALIVE & talking with you, Kicking & Tweeting & everything! Posting comments with videos from OUR 20's ERA. You will too VERY SOON. Doesn't mean we are DEAD. Just Technology went forward SUPER FAST in our life-time, from grainy to digital clear. I'm sure Ian meant the Gay Marches portion which were BIG DEALS in the 80's. The 80's were GOOD TIMES! "70;s too! When places like NYC, was BOOMING with SEXUAL REVOLUTION EVERWHERE! Not like Conservative Post Guiliani 90's. The 60's 70's & 80's were SUPER TRANSITIONAL. Millennials missed A LOT! :) being born too late! I'll bet IAN is just AMAZED (as I am) at how FAST time passes!

@stromada1 I was the young, handsome and cheeky little one! Now I'm 71 and grieving for my dead lover of forty years. Time takes all away, make those memories now. I regret starting late, could have done with another century of that relationship.

@stromada1 I was the young, handsome and cheeky little one!

That freedom you enjoy is not everywhere but I believe it will extend down to us someday

@Melenor Duranee some were married

Such a beautiful story! We’re very lucky that less and less teenagers are thrown out of their houses simply based on their sexuality. The battle for acceptance will be a long one, but we are fighting it! 🧡

@@andyandthedevil Yes, we must keep up the good work :-)

maybe we hooked up in the cottage, ya never know

Maybe we DID! Lol 😝

Haha, I know what you mean, girlfriend.

Oh Mary! ;)

It was good enough for Freddie.

Using female nicknames and pronouns (and in some languages feminine grammatical conjucations) has probably been done by androgynous people forever. 200 years ago, effeminate males were called Mollies! Gay does not mean androgynous, gay just means homosexual. But you can be both. :)

It's still common in the drag scene (because of the drag personas). Not so much, elsewhere.

has it? We should be on guard against regression. Gay people are still being persecuted in many countries, and the rightwing backlash in the US, UK and elsewhere is ominous. Unfortunately history does not automatically progress forward. After the openness of 1920s Berlin, gays were murdered in Nazi concentration camps. It could happen again, under Trump or Putin or.....

They are long gone now. This was filmed in the 70s.

@@kintverity1270 Actually it was filmed 1980-1981.

@@clemsonbloke does a few years make any difference? Kint's point still holds true. it's been 40 long years.

My grandson came out to me first, I actually said to him thank goodness I thought I would have to tell you. That was seven years ago, his other granny is disgusted and won't have his partner in her house. Silly woman she is the looser missing out on a loving caring couple,

Judging by the recent amount of "honey trap" stings on gay men working in the intelligence agencies, I wonder if it was a bad idea?

@@jdh6752 The bad idea is "not realizing that homosexuality is common" has always been and is normal. Homosexuality may never have been the majority, but it always was common and normal. What "recent" honey trap stings are you writing about? Ignorance about human sexuality has always been the problem. Ignorance about the homeless has always been a problem. Ignorance about the tax theft sent to the elites has always been a problem. The Military, Industrial, Congressional Complex has always been the problem. Pandering to archaic notions including what you just wrote, is the problem. Most homosexuals today are not ashamed of being so. Blackmail can be used against anyone for any false allegation of any kind. A rumor or allegation is the easiest thing in the world to make by any group that wants to conspire against another group or individual about anything. A group of connected people could accuse you of a murder you did not commit or other crime. They could blackmail you so that they do not go forth with the false allegation. The ability to blackmail has always been a problem. Blackmail is the real crime, not human sexuality or people that want to take down others by any false allegations of any sort. Please see "Victim" 1961 and get the concept. It will take time but you will understand things better.

Hello, I'm 59 next month, and have a post on here already, but thought I'd say a quick hello to you. I'm pleased you 'came out' eventually, better late than never! 😉 I'm not on the gay scene anymore either, the 80s & 90s was my time for that. I'm single now, but I have few regrets over my life choices. My very best wishes to you, Tim xx 🌈

@@rabbit64sj91 Hello Tim, you're two months younger than me! Thanks for drawing my attention back to this wonderful video. I so admire those wise old souls who had to put up with so much rubbish but came through it with their dignity intact. I do feel an affinity with that world; we've gained rights but lost something as well. There's a lot of gay history on KZfaq. I must have watched all the Quentin Crisp videos. Greetings from Edinburgh.

Wow, in and out

@@ABC_DEF only just seen your reply, nice to hear back from you. Edinburgh is a lovely city, I visited back in August 1992. We are very close in age, just 2 months apart! You are very welcome to be friends with me, I'm on Facebook, if you're interested? It is a lovely film on here, I enjoyed it also. All the best, Tim 🌈 🌟 ☺

I personally think most people in this world are somewhere on the bisexual spectrum. So yes, your feelings are absolutely valid! I wish you to live happily knowing who you love 🧡

Being “bi” means you’re attracted to the person for who they are, not what they have between their legs.

lohphat that’s pansexuality. But most ppl don’t have attraction to people’s genitals. Bi ppl may have preferences in terms of gender. but pansexual people don’t have preferences.

@@Bigtittypatthicc Nah, there's straight, bi and gay if any terms at all, I don't judge people on being bi and assume to know why they're bi, that's their business, all these extended terms are just to make people feel special and separate/divide even more. People aren't defined by their sexuality and if I have to categorize it for gods knows what reason I'm not gonna do it in fifty different ways because I need to know EXACTLY why they're the way they are, if I did I'd let them explain it to me, in a far better way one word ever could.

I'm gay and not remotely on the "bisexual spectrum". I don't need anyone pushing the "woke" version of homophobia on me. Thanks.

I cannot imagine not being able to live your truth. As soon as I lived mine, the world opened up!

No one in Britain had heard of it in 1981.

@@ABC_DEF And people had been dying of it for years! I graduated high school in 1981, so my adult life began with that pandemic, only I'm not gay and wasn't at high risk for my behavior. I remember the hetero panic of that period, how people then feared a crossover into the mainstream that would kill more generally. I had gay friends in school. ALL are now dead. Yes, that's right! All of them...

@@afwalker1921 I went to university in 1983 (in the UK). When we arrived, we were given a booklet about contraception and sexual health. At the back there was a reference to AIDS. It said that it was a new disease, that its means of transmission was unknown and that it affected promiscuous homosexual men and heroin users. It said that it was possibly spread by an as yet unidentified virus. I had never heard of it. It wasn't big in the news until some years later. The first public information campaign about it took place in 1987.

i had to read the comments to understand that musical was a code word lol! y'all are creative

When I was a kid, adults politely described a gay boy as “artistic”.

@alan ashwell: This does make a lot of sense. It sounds rather self-hating from today's perspective but it had to be an effect of what they faced at the time.

@@echt114 most certainly it was difficult, especially if one had been raised in a religious home-as most were.

I finally understand. Thank you I always wondered

And would lesbians do the reverse of it?

I really wish there were more young people like you who felt that way. Many have no idea or interest in how much of a struggle it was.

How is it a normal part of nature want to relationship does not produce fruit a.k.a. children

yettobseen Indeed...

Its heart breaking to still hear that people have to pretend to have hetrosexual relationship. It time to realise that your sexuality is not a choice. We are born who we are. Be that homosexual hetrosexual bisexual and transgender. (Gender displaced) Tall those out there who think sexuality is so clear cut open your minds a bit because there a whole load of grey area out there. Where men and women can enjoy sexual encounter with same and opposite sex without being labed in on group. I see myself a homosexual but that would stop me from having sex with the right person of the opposite sex.

Keith Newton ain’t it the truth Keith. No one knows it better than us that are gay. If you’re of a certain age as me 58 in my school yrs I tried to pretend and even had sex with girls. But that very act is what solidified that I was gay. So having tried pie and cake both I’m definitely a cake man. Fortunately I do see younger men being more flexible with sexuality, women also. Which is a beautiful thing.

oh my God! So true!

so true..

It's the speech Impairment. Also most seem to have a lover named brucie and they lovie to watchy the newsy together. how cute righty?

You can't argue with scientific facts.

@@unclenelvis I disagree, scientific statements by scientists are best guess assessments, by degree.

@theRightizright If there is a hell then why have thousands of priests taken the risk by raping children over the years ? And people at the very top of societies, all over the world. I guess hell only exists for the people at the bottom of society so they keep in line and do as they are told.

@@mogadon7 hell was designed for evil. If you've not accepted Christ as your Saviour, then you're not protected. The tiniest sin is evil, but God gave us an out... His name is Jesus... God cannot condone sin of any kind, which is why Jesus died on the cross... He is our bridge to God. Its so very true. So very simple... Its a gift nobody should take lightly & anyone can accept that gift...

Agreed 100%!!!

On the other hand, it's also gotten to the point where everyone has to "announce" their sexuality, relationships, even now their ''new" gender to the world. I agree, it's nobody's business and wish everyone would just shut up - live and let live. But it's become a narcissistic culture where people think their lives are so important to others.

@@beparr3081 I couldn't agree more, it's a big red balloon I've never wanted to display. Only to those that are interested! 🤭

Thanks for sharing!

@@andyandthedevil Thank YOU again for uploading this historical doc helping to educate the younger generations of our LGBTI community worldwide about the pioneering struggles for our rights! Greetings from Brazil! And another historical piece to celebrate your channel (not the devil, of course:-)), one of my favorite songs of my early youth years of the same period: Pay The Devil (Ooo, Baby, Ooo) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d9NpgLaG3cDFhmw.html

Yes. To be loved is the greatest thing. Few people experience that.

Not love... just misdirected sex...

@@stephaniemurria5534 really? Loves means sacrifice. I don't see they sacrifed anything. They are just indulging in their lust. That's not love, it's just sex.

How do you love someone within a day?

Brandon Greenleaf - As do you. Honey!

Rion Rion: What does being millennial have to do with your rating the documentary as amazing?

​@Gregory Smith Curious: What do "triggers" have to do with the fact this person appreciates the video and seems to enjoy learning about a time and place in history that's just as distant and foreign to you as it is to them? What was the point of that. Scorn young people for being ignorant; scorn them for wanting to learn. The poor things can't win. 🤷 Also, I'm a Millennial and I remember all of those things. We aren't an umbrella term for "damn kids these days." Some of us have kids on the brink of entering college, or actually in college. Cheers!

@Gregory Smith yes, back in the day when even liberals felt they had to be homophobic, because they feared being labelled as gay themselves

@Gregory Smith Oh, yes, I remember Ellen coming out of the closet. I may have been quite young but was very aware that it was a pretty big deal. Queer as Folk? The original came out in 1999. I remember this stuff. I never saw QaF because I'm not a TV watcher, but I certainly knew OF it. The show I was interested in at the time? X-Files. Dream On appears to have aired in 1990. I'll admit I'd never heard of it, but I also grew up in a religious family, and I watched what my elders watched. If they'd have watched it I'd remember it. The sitcoms of my childhood were Newhart, Who's the Boss?, Growing Pains, Perfect Strangers, WKRP, Happy Days, Full House, M*A*S*H, Family Matters. Generational boundaries are flawed in so many ways. Millennials are a big group. A friend ten years younger than I am is technically a Millennial, but the explosion of digital technology that happened between his childhood and mine means our formative experiences were different. He does not remember 9/11. He's the age group you're confusing me with. We older Millennials, the ones who actually came of age at the turn of the century, are pushing 40 and PARENTING Zoomers, the ENTIRE generation of kids who never knew life without the internet. Some of my peers' kids are prepping for college already. My family didn't get dial-up until I was a teenager. Yes, I remember a pre-digital world very, very well. Just clearing that up. Cheers.