I’d also replace MARTHA with MOTHER I don’t think the name sharing should matter he should already empathize with wanting to save a mother or not orphaning someone

Less the Punisher, more Travis Bickle.

Godzilla mendoza called him azrael.

"Zach Snyder obsession with turning him into the Punisher with a silly hat" - oh no look, it's a Hive-Minded Drone that's trying to escape being a full on Hive-Minded Drone but realises that he'll always be a Hive-Minded Drone.

OK, let's just say we all have are own interpretations of what Ben Affleck's Batman is like

that's what there called. Cool

BC Flash isn't as popular of a character as Batman so people care less. We need an animated Flash TV show that's as good as BTAS

Plus Ezra Miller is a criminal in some of the worse ways

You mean ezflash

facts. enjoyed all his movies but his versions of the characters arent the versions that should be in the main DC movie universe

​​@@Ben-zg8xk. It wasn't a total disaster, Aquaman finally managed shaking off the damage SuperFriends done to his reputation, plenty of obscure villains like mr mind,black manta,steppenwolf,king shark,Starro the conqueror get to enjoy faithful on screen recreations, and many of them came packaged with somewhat entertaining movies! So i'd say even if we hawen't exactly won, still wouldn't classify this as loss.

The only thing Reeves dropped the ball on was sticking to a realistic universe and keeping his Batman out of Gunn’s DCU. With some slow build up, his Batman could’ve easily worked in a cinematic universe especially since Corenswet’s Superman is also relatively new to being Superman so the two could’ve grown together and met when they were at their peak and become the best friends they are in the comics

​@@eddiediaz5518. First of all, the d.c.e.u. was dead on arrival, secondly, I really can't see Patissom's batman interacting with bat-mite. Batman is equal parts silly and serious!

That’s an amazing idea, and have him slowly become the more compassionate protector of Gotham with care for all life. Kind of a more extreme version of the arc in Matt Reeves’ Batman.

Because most younger people had never seen the Keaton movies hell returns was just as controversial as BvS back in the day

@@CursedShinobiClown most people complaining about BVS in 2016 were 20-40, they were old enough to watch Batman and Batman returns when they came out. And literally every Batman/DC/comic fan has seen the Burton films. I also mentioned the Nolan films which finished 4 years before BVS started. I win, L + ratio Gunn head

@@bamaboyz8978 Again you’d be suprised how many younger millennials and gen z’s had never actually seen returns or forever and only played the games or watched BTAS and dark knight at least from personal experience. Returns was criticized to hell and back when it released. Now sure it was mainly cause it was too dark but Tim went on record admitting it has no accuracy at all he made a Tim burton movie not a Batman movie. I actually like returns but i in no way real see it as a good Batman movie. There’s a reason people didn’t complain and that’s cause the perception of Batman was different back then and most people saw it when they were young and forgot hell why else did everyone forgot. In the 00s people had more accurate depictions of the character in media like the Arkham games and the shows changing the perception of the character so of course the reaction is gonna be different it’s a different world a different time a different context. Hell as dumb as the Ra’s death in begins was people are more willing to defend that then him shooting people because context matters now as for TDK… yeah I actually agree with you I dunno why people defend that

Yup which is why on Paper Batman going from that to the Comics "I don't kill" is an interesting direction IMO its just that studio medling and poor execution doomed it to be devicice

People aren't very good at expressing their points or may latch on to a good sounding viewpoint. Batman is explicitly stated to kill in Batman v Superman, and Zach Synder keeps saying so as well. Batman killing was a plot point in the movie and was in the meta discussion of he movie making it front and center in any discussion involving the movie. For the other cinematic Batman's him killing was either the assumed outcome or treated within the medium as Batman not killing. My point is people will answer "No" to Batman killing on a test, but if you muddy it up or don't directly say he killed, they may forget about it. So their issue is Batman killed, but most people only noticed because it was so explicit in dialog.

How could Superman not choke Zod out and imprison him in the Kryptonian ship set to Krypton atmospherics? If he really wanted to avoid killing him so bad this would have been an option to consider since he already had him in a chokehold. Then there’s the fact that the family could have easily escaped, Superman was responsible for plenty of casualties himself since he brought down a ship in the middle of the city that was obviously going to crash into buildings on the way down, he dodged out of the way of a fuel truck allowing it to crash into a parking garage, and I could go on.

@@StopCallingMeShirley1180 I’m sorry, he didn’t take his time to think about those situations it was a race against Time. I can see and try to atone for what he’s done.

Yeah It's like a more messy version of the star wars sequels Where you can tell they had no idea where the fuck things were going long term But at least that was 3 movies

Thats actually half and half, Snyder depicts him basically Killing and Brutalizing Criminals which is out of character for him but when asked in interviews he actively avoids it and says batman instead just destructively incapacitates them, I guess the Studio was forcing his mouth to say Bats doesn't kill in his movie, but its blatantly obvious that Batman's Arc is him finding his humanity and not killing anymore.

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I feel exactly the same as you.

It’s not affleck himself it’s the writing

i'd rather die

Character assassination

are you talking about battinson??? because if so then.. absolutely not, he doesn’t kill a single person. so it gets the batspecter seal of approval

It is ironic Bruce tells Alfred this even though Alfred still a good guy lol The writers have no self awareness

kai & i are mutuals and i recently appeared on his doctors without borders charity stream, a collab’s definitely been brought up but it’ll probably be a while before that happens!

@@TheBatspecter sick i gotta watch that!

I like the suit, I take issue with the l cowel, it makes Affleck’s head look too fat, and the ears are too short to be a bat. (I’m also not a big fan of when the cape only hangs off Batman’s back and not around his whole body like in ‘89 or BTAS, but I understand why it’s done.)

Where the hell do you get this shit from?

@@dumi_chenu3730film theory made a theory about that a while ago

@@kennyobi9871 I know but that theory is just wrong(I miss matpat tho)

Character assassination

I’d disagree besides his looks he acts almost nothing like normal Batman he’s more like frank miller Batman which is fine if it was executed right

He's more like Moon Knight, really. No strict "no-kill" rule.

Comic batman isn’t a psychopath

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

It’s literally just character assassination and ruins peoples perception on characters

@@ToBy11334 Yes while I do agree in some points it's shite like for the robins but other than that it's pretty good especially tom Taylors ones

@@salmanali-zg9gk what about Wonder Woman or how people now think if Lois lane dies superman goes psycho

Yeah that’s why I always say that affleck is carried by the fight scenes lol. If it weren’t for the warehouse battle no one would be comparing him to Robert or Bale it’s why a common criticism affleck fans have for Bale is “the fight scenes are bad”.

@@MILDMONSTER1234 That's not true, Batfleck's introduction grabbing onto walls is straight out of comic books, his Bruce Wayne's LOOKS is by far the best, Ben Affleck looks like a true aristocrat when he's wearing a suit in a way that Bale and Keaton dont, Pattinson will NEVER look like Bruce Wayne, that was a terrible miscast, Pattinson would've been perfect as Nightwing, specially with the hairstyle he rocked for the 2022 movie, but as Bruce Wayne? he was 36 when the movie came out and he still looked 19-24. Look man, i respect your opinion, but every single Batman live action portrayal has been "grounded" and "serious" for the last 35 years, the one time we got a Batman that at least a tenth of the stuff we read on the comics....yeah im not about to knock him down.

Bro at least the batman has good writing

Most people don’t ask for perfect films. Most beloved superhero movies have quite a few flaws, just look at the dark knight trilogy. We just want the characters to be properly represented. Then dressing in costumes doesn’t make them any less valid or valuable than any other fictional character.

@@peanutbutter6720 whatever.