Yep my fake one has the blade centered my original doesn't

Bought original griptilian mini and the blade is not on center, worst than the fake one.

@@anbu6183 besides that how do you find the mini grip? My wife wants a smaller knife and I've been thinking about picking one up for her. We're in Australia so it's not like we can pop down to the local knife store and check out a benchmade.

@@NickElliottOutdoors try blade hq I don’t know if they ship Australia

Not exactly. I’ve seen plenty of authentic knives get it wrong.

knockoffs typically use steel even worse than 8cr13mov chinesium. you WILL feel the difference in performance if you actually use your knife. if your knife is just a prop to flick at your desk or post on social media, then yeah you might as well get a fake.

Exactly

The steel is shit.

To be fair, labor rates in the US are easily 10X that of China or Taiwan, so there's one big reason. Also the counterfeiters didn't pay for research and development, they just copied an original. The fact people support this is kinda sad. I suppose the same people that would buy stolen goods if the price is low enough. No morality.

I bought one it's great

This comment is underrated. So important to buy from actual authorized dealers. I mean come on. These are essentially a luxury product. They cost what they cost and it’s important that if you spend the money you get a real one.

Exactly

People say the (stiffer) unofficial omega springs on eBay are better than originals.

AGREED! I just received one in the mail yesterday and it's fucking amazing. Got 2 more coming in the mail still, as well as two benchmade clones. So far, my knives I have received have looked identical to the picture. Like so identical that it looks like it was the knife used to take the picture. Super happy with my wish purchases so far. If you can handle the 2-4 week wait time, it's worth the wait.

The steel and heat treatment will be shit.

@@vorpalblades Tried it? Nope. Will it do what I need..YUP.

do you have a link where you can buy a cheaper version? Im going to use it in the forest anyway;-)@@SVTShane361

I've heard it's poorly heat treated 440. Some say it's poorly done 8CR13Mov since they use so much of it in cheap US brands made there. Could also be chopped up ships for all know. 🤷🏻‍♂️

To be clear they are "real" knives, they are just Benchmade "knockoffs". I doubt any of the materials are the same but real knives they are.

They have there place for sure. I will say a knock off 20.00 Benchmade will be better then a 20.00 gas station knife so yeah they make great beater knifes for sure

I agree, if you like the look and don’t have the money and really want a beater it’s a no brainer

Just my opinion but I don't think you should feel bad however you spend your money. You don't owe these people anything.

If it's from wish it's not legit

@@danieloshea3326 if you read we use terms like real benchmade or knockoff. So we are aware they are not real benchmades. That being said we were all interested in testing a knockoff . That's all.

Problems arise when people sell them on the market as real

No!!! I did..... it doesn’t quite fit. Holes don’t match. Screws are different.

@@jgrajeda8854 thx for intel

They are so good and so cheap you can buy different inexpensive models from same supplier (carbon fibre/titanium) mix and match, have spare parts and save even more money… my supplier when criticised about his choice of steel changed it up.👊🏼

The Benchmade website lists the retail price of the standard Bugout at $160. Even if the retail price was $115, why is it “criminal” to sell it for more if that is what the market will bear? No one if forcing anyone to buy this knife.

@@garycasteel4961 "Nobody is forcing people to buy it" is a cop out to lowering one's morals. It plays on the ignorant and stupid. A person who lnows nothing about knives will buy a $160 knife thats not even worth $20 to manufacture and is not worth more than $80 retail and think they are buying the best knife because it is $160. That's ignorance. A person who supposedly knows a lot about knives buys $160 knife knowing that the knife is really not worth that much is called stupid. Just because of free market and capitalism, we don't have to pretend its okay to be stupid and ignorant as consumers.

Milling

hope they are yo yo knives and they show up.

It's funny I had a Benchmade vanish too a few years ago. Still have no idea what happened to it.

It's always the expensive knives, the cheapies never disappear.

@@unclejoe6811 I’ve also heard the same thing about sunglasses

They end up in that cozy place where all socks go.

Uncle dions give the best gifts

Well one thing is they stand behind their product for life, if it needs sharpening, taken apart cleaned and lubricated or if something is broke and needs repaired, then it's covered just send it to them and you'll get it back in about two weeks.

the entire design philosophy of the Bugout is that it's light. it's an exercise in functional minimalism. you get just enough knife in a very thin and ridiculously light package, with a strong lock and great action. you are primarily paying for the good steel and the good warranty. there is nothing actually wrong with grivory; some "knife guys" are just obsessed with appearance so they often replace the scales because they want the knife to look/feel a certain way, but that's contrary to the actual purpose of the knife. Benchmade knives are tools. if you actually use your knife for substantial work then you will notice the difference between a real one and a clone. if your knife is just a prop for social clout or a fidget toy for your desk, then yeah, absolutely get the clone.

Haha that's right. I ordered 3 and they'll be here today.

Same. If it works, is sharp, then it doesn't bother me either

@@28ebdh3udnav It dulls from looking at it sadly

It’s a fake not a knock off

Lol, someone needs a better job, go buy some cheap knives, IT WILL BE FUN ......

Some of the clones are D2 and some are 440c depending on the Chinese manufacturer

Good catch on the "c"

On the spyderco knives the fake is just a steel ingrave front and real is dark font Ingrave. So maybe its the reverse with benchmade. I wana know do the fakes use the same steel. Thats what i really wana know

Garuntee that they don't match real s30v. At best they will be equivalent to 440c or under

@Lockdown spinning am I missing it. I don't see any edge retention testing on your channel. I'm sorry but I'm not taking just your word for it. 20 bux compared to 120. Hard to believe the steel would be the same. Or even 440c with a good heat treat

They use d2 steel

Tiny bit harder than 440C

It is not S30V, the steel tests as 440HC and comes in at 58HRC. The heat treat on the 3 I tested was all good. The one thing that I did notice on 2 of the knifes was a SLIGHT and I mean slight curved blade (wrapping from the heat treat) I used my tormek T8 and at first put a 16 degree per side edge and it failed the steel wouldn't hold a 16 degree edge so I took it to 19 and it held the edge excellent, then ran them over a strop progression starting at 3 micron diamond suspension spray then 2 micron then 1 micron then a half micron then 0.1 micron. The bend is so slight on both or then that I didn't see it while looking the knifes over but rather after the sharpening when I noticed the bevel in the center of the blade was ever so slightly smaller on one side and larger on the other for about half an inch in the center of the blades.. I knew it wasn't the sharpener and the 3rd one was perfect and I knew it wasn't me so I really started inspecting the blades up close and after a few mins I laid one on a piece or glass and tried to rock it and sure enough there was a Itty bitty amount of rocking so I knew the blade was not dead straight. I then sharpened one of the slightly bend ones on my TSPROF K03 to see if it was enough bend for a high precision sharpener but not as high precision as the T8 would cause the same thing and sure enough it did. It's not enough to bother you because you won't see it as it's so little but where it will mess you up is in sharpening as that slight bend will show up in your bevel if you use a high end locked angle sharpener such as a wicked edge, Tormek, KME and so on. It's not enough to show up on lower end fixed angle sharpeners like a Ruixin Pro or a Lansky. The steel is as good as it gets for 440HC as the heat treat is good. I would say it preforms about as good as VG10, and notably better then 8cr with a good heat treat. With a good 19 to 22 degree per side edge and stropped down to no more then 1 micron (as I learned the edge can't handle 0.1 micron strop and will roll) it preformed best with a 19 degree edge and stropped 3 micron diamond, 2 then 1 micron on Kangaroo tail leather (very hard) and the edge retention is about what you get from a good VG10... 440 that's got a good heat treatment on it and the right edge is a decent steel. A lot of people act like oh its 440 so it's shit... And that's simply not true, a quality 440hc heat treat will beat out a lot or better steels that have a half ass heat treat easily... Another thing about 440hc is that it's very easy to get a hair whittling edge on it and you don't need anything more then a 600/1000 grit whetstone and a strop. It's not a steel I would EDC but it is a good steel none the less and I will say that at 20 bucks that BM knockoff is a superb knife.. Not comparing it to the real thing just simply saying for 20 dollars it's a hell of a knife.

I saw an A2 grip for an AR-15 that someone put in the box and returned to Wal Mart, I assume they bought the Blackhawk grip (which is what the box said) swapped it out then took their original A-2 back and got $20 for it, then Wal-Mart was stuck trying to sell a $5 grip for $20.

Benjamin smith ...so he should commit larceny and film himself breaking the law and show it to the world. I really hope you’re just joking.

And do it 1,000 times and become rich!

440C is just fine- and easier for most to sharpen. D2 is a bitch and can be near impossible to sharpen for most folks, including me!

yup

David S I just ordered a clone for $21.00shipped. (Whenever production returns). I don’t buy knives these day as I’m happy with my collection of mostly more budget models, aside from my Benchmade Mini Griptilian. I’ve wanted a Bugout since it’s release but couldn’t justify its cost and wrote it off. Now i get to have a clone for next to nothing by comparison. Benchmade did not lose a sale from me as I never would have bought theirs. I wasn’t fooled in any way or cheated. Just like if I buy a Chevy and not a Lexus. The Chevy works just fine, even though the Lexus is build and drives better. My choice and no guilt trip impresses me.

@@ronlheureux7623 The Chevy isn't a counterfeit Lexus. You (we) may not have been fooled, but the fact is you (we) contributed to financing a counterfeiting operation. Your choice, your conscience, your moral values, your being brought to account if you're caught breaking the law, in which event I can only assume you will continue to take full personal responsibility for your actions.

David S Right, like in the long history of the auto industry, makers aren’t know for stealing ideas and plans, besides buying and reverse engineering competitors vehicles.🤣

@@ronlheureux7623 Sure, but they don't attempt to pass them off as each others' products. Two wrongs don't make a right, but are frequently used as self-justification by wrongdoers!

@@davids9549 and yet you bought not just one but two " but the fact is you (we) contributed to financing a counterfeiting operation" ... you criticize someone for doing exactly what you did...SMH

The steel barely adds any cost at all. American made knives are so expensive because you’re paying for the labor and the process. Chinese factory manufacturing processes are MILES ahead of the manufacturing processes used here in the states. They use factory machinery to make working the expensive steels MUCH easier. Add in the .50¢/day salary of the employee making your clone and you have your cost savings right there all in one package. You should look into how much such a small amount of steel costs. Using a premium alloy adds negligible difference to price when you’re only talking a few ounces of steel

The blade is the main pillar when purchasing a high quality knife. Chinese forge certificates can't be trusted. High quality US/other blades makers buy their steel from small trusted forges with trusted certificates to contain the exact alloys called for. Regardless of the cert, a quality blade maker will do spot check hardness tests and document, that’s part of what you’re paying for. Also, the steel liners, scales, other pieces on the quality knife all have certain specs from original R&D design that is being adhered too. Any Chinese product can be made much cheaper, even if they carried out quality steps, which they cannot easily do because they didn’t do the R&D (like all they copy), so you get what you pay for.

You're right about labor costs. The Chinese worker probably is making a couple of yuan per day. Maybe more, but not that much. Most people care only about price, which is obvious from the comments here.

Got to take into consideration the warranty and how long it’ll last.... carry a fake for a year before it goes to crap so about $10 a month..... carry the real deal for like 10 years, lifetime if taking advantage of lifesharp..... be like 50 cents a month

@@shadowcastyt lol i have no idea where you got those numbers from. $10 a month? No one is that stupid to destroy a knife every month. I get it, if you beat your knifes the benchmade will last longer. It mostly depends on how you will use the knife. If you're just opening boxes and mail, cleaning your nails, or just light shit that can be solved with a few strokes on the leather, then I don't see the problem with the cheap knife. If you're going to work and using the knife for multiple different things that are harder on it, it makes sense. Lifetime sharpening is cool, but how many people are actually able to utilize that without encountering problems?

@@renski8976 other factors include axis lock failure.... who knows the strength of those springs..... if an omega spring breaks in the real deal you have a warranty.... not the case with a fake (A lot of people use lifesharp without problems... hell I’ve seen people lose their knife in shipping, give Benchmade a call and they sent them back a new knife) I get it not everyone needs a $100 - $200 knife.... but some (believe it or not) actually do and just saying there is no need and no one needs a quality cutting tool is a slap to the face to people who need a high quality cutting tool

I have an authentic benchmade, and yes it’s worth every penny, I got it on sale for $120 when it’s originally $200. The “lifetime” sharp warranty, if that’s what you want to call it, is nice but if you spend that kinda money on a knife you damn sure ought to know how to sharpen a knife(that’s the way I look at it) Since my Benchmade Volli purchase, I’ve bought a few other knives, Kershaw is ehh, but Civivi has really impressed me and typically about half the price of Benchmade. The quality of the steel is typically what makes the price difference, while the D2 blade on my Civivi isn’t as extravagant as the S30v on my Benchmade, it’s every bit as sharp and I prefer carrying it since it’s lighter and not near as bulky. My point in all of this is that after learning how to sharpen my knives, all of them, some cheap and some expensive, they’re all the same sharpness give or take. Edge Retention is another animal, but with use all knives will eventually dull and the knives that hold on the longest will cost you the most. If you can’t afford an authentic, buy a knockoff. 95% of people will never be able to tell the difference, just make sure to learn how to properly sharpen your blades and how to take care of them and you’ll be golden. But don’t expect the quality of the knife to be the same because at that price difference it won’t be.

How is it I want to get the red one?

@@layned2445 honestly it’s been great, had it for 4 months now and use it almost every day, still holding up good, only noticeable wear on it is the coating on the screws have worn off

@@axiosg8787 ok man thank ya really looking forward to getting mine

It's $92 for a super steel. Your practically paying half the price for a shit blade and no lifetime warranty 😂

I agree, the wish knife is just a beater. You can tell the quality of a good blade and in my opinion it’s worth paying for quality

Blade steel, both type and heat treatment are not what's stamped on the blade.

exactly, you get 40 dollar knives just as good as 400 dollar knives, and then the big name companies get pissy about clones, if they didnt charge so much the clone market wouldnt be so big

yeah, im in the market of a otf knife now. the $400 dollars price tag from microtech just made me laugh. I can easily afford it but i will never pay that price on a pocket knife

I’d suggest looking at spyderco, I have a tenacious and persistence, they were both less than 80 buck, they hold and edge, they’re comfy, and good for medium use.

Drop a link?

Tomas Zidek love my ganzo and for the price you can’t beat them

I’ve got 4 Benchmade & all 4 had a wonky grind on the tip , one side ground wider than the other , I don’t have any clones to compare them to but I have been seeing a lot of videos on KZfaq about them .

I honestly think the whole bad quality control is just completely Exaggerated. I’ve ordered almost all my benchmades online and NONE of them came with awful centering. Granted almost every time I order a knife online I always put an inspection request in the notes asking to check for things like centering, even blade grinds etc. maybe try that out next time you order?

They should be inspected after they are made . Don’t get me wrong , I really like Benchmade , I just don’t like their messed up grinds , I will continue to buy Benchmade & sharpen my knives the way I like em , with even bevels . I have been lucky not to have got one with any centering issues .

Ganzo knives are awesome for the price they sell for. As for the Benchmade centering and overall quality. I have a Benchmade 350 that’s 20+ years old and is an excellent knife that is holding up great. A few scuffs and scratches on the blade that give it character and I sharpen it as needed. Oh and those are 20+ years of duty use so it’s not a pampered pocket knife.

its 440C steel.

Wish has everything...it’s a rabbit hole so be careful 😆

Wish sells copies of the registered brands. Some are equally good. I do not trust the copies. That's why I stay with Ganzo.

Everyday Carry GND have you been testing the fake one? Is it worth buying

There are knockoffs of most Western products. The Chinese are great at copying - remember the Callaway golf club thing from the 1990s. This is nothing new. It's just made its way to the knife world, which is a lucrative market. It makes more sense to rip off someone else's design and sell 1,000 knockoffs at $15 each than spend money to design and make your own knife, which might not make enough to recoup your R&D costs.

@@everydaycarrygnd5834 Pretty amazing it's still not shut down. The government is probably too busy printing money.

@@Butch_Deezlsteak you are correct.

For the money the knock off is an easy choice IMO