I’ve never flat-spotted a formula 4. I’m 200 pounds and have been riding them for 3-4 years now!

I turned 30 last summer. Discovered both of these guys' channels right at the beginning of the lockdown in 2020 when i moved back in with family and got back into skating. So thankful i did after not being on a board for 7+ years, it keeps me sane, happy, and healthy!

Enjoy videos with you and Dan

as an over 30 skateboarder this stuff is the kind of content I dig. Your the man Ben 🙌

This is really high level advice that may not regularly accesible to people living in smaller populations with less skaters. Great video and review!

Dan's set up looks like if you flipped it over and shook it a bunch of hair and crumbs would fall out

I have been heavily digging all of the content you made while in Cali. Great stuff!

Great video guys! I follow both of you and I always learn something each video I watch! I have been a Powell Peralta guy for apprx. 30 years.

Very informative, Thanks Ben & Dan.

I love the information. I followed Dan is well and at 55 there's always some good info. Ride until you drop 🤘

That was a great,authentic ,real conversation About skating. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

Yuup, front toe side for me too. Also, I'm 45 now and skate almost every day. You two dudes are two of my favorite skaters and content creators. Please never stop!

Nearly on 100k well deserved Ben

Ben, Dan, and Vic... That'd be a dream sesh for me to be on lol. Raddest dudes 👊

Great video and energy and vibes and articulation.

Toe side front wheel is always first to cone and I’d say 99% with confidence it’s from turning as my level of skill is not on par with either of your good selves so the turning must be causing this. Another great detailed video too 👌 love these 👊

Been waiting for this video for long enough thank you!

Loved this great to see any skaters thinking on setup Regards from the UK

Dan's right on.F4's definitely flatspot and wear down quicker. STF don't, but also don't feel as good.

The collab i been waiting for aha

Much love and respect to you and your channel Ben.

The Magicians setup is amazing looks great. Dan has such amazing board control.

ive got some nice santa cruze deck rails that are very rounded and the ends curve away from your wheels for more clearance. love flight decks i have both of andys, nice setup dan! love watching u guys sk8

Wow, look at that! You gained a subscriber from Dan’s channel.

19:45 I've used the small end of a skate tool for this. The outside edge of the part of a t-tool that you use for tightening hardware is really close to the inside diameter of the outer ring of a bearing.

As a nearly 20 year golf pro and 14 of those have been a master fitter.... I loved this vid. ❤️ Dan is awesome and always enjoy his vids. Thanks for this ☺️

Enjoyed every second

I skate Acid Chem Co REM formula too and I really like them. One thing that was different about them is that the bearings are a VERY tight fit, they're definitely not going to get tweaked by lateral pressure/impact

Hell yeah Victor's here, too!

To be fair, I'm 31 and subbed to both of you, soooo yeah

really good duo right here, woulda loved to see a game of skate with u two

Angle gauge is also great for measuring angle of pop :) since that ones magnetic it sticks to the bolts and then you can tip the board

Hey Ben. Started in the 70's but been on board non stop since 1983, so 40 years straight of skating. Front toe side for me as well on the wheel cone. I rotate them by eyeing the wear, so either diagonal or just straight switching the front and back depending and start at a 54mm. Currently riding Dragons 54MM X 32MM

I must say, your laugh at 7:18 was beautiful!

Ya for sure .. you two rock

Soooooo rad to see lol it's like you have your favorite dc hero randomly show up on the comic book of your favorite marvel hero. Given that you are a huge fan of both, of course.

I love this park, I skated this stage with the big green trash can when I was a teenager, I love the feeling of being there, legendary stage in long Beach. Now I'm almost 40 and I just want to go back to get the feeling of being there, even if I just do a olie down the stage

Cool - really I like the setup talk.

Ah, when he said "the above 30s" I felt personally attacked ... Dammit. lol.

I have never seen the pivot fakie late regular before. Super sick!

Dan's sweater is on point.

Tic tacs are what wear out the toe side front wheel. Even if you ride loose trucks, you’re bound to do little tic tacs when doing little turns. It’s usually the back ones. Because your front foot naturally dips towards the toe when you turn, you usually drag your front wheels even if it’s just for a fraction of a second before you put your wheels back down.

Talking about getting the bearings out of a tight wheel, I've always just used the truck, screws the threads up after a few times doing it but at that point you're getting ready to swap out your trucks anyways

Have been a fan of both Powell Peralta and Independent Trucks for decades now. Only trucks will ever buy and other than maybe 1-2 other companies only decks I buy or skate, one other company being the OG of the industry Santa Cruz (VX decks or Everslick ©) I still mess with truck height and I'm 43 but do prefer the mids as well in Hollow's or Titanium.

I love you guys both!! Fucking siiiick❤

Same- front toe. It’s just from riding flat ground. I think my normal weight distribution is a bit more toe side than heel, and my front truck is my turning truck so it’s a bit looser and takes more weight. Also, if I’m turning around it’s easier to turn backside than front, so I do it more often.

Dan with Ben, a pleasant surprise!

I skate spitfire f4's , conical full, theyre the best wheel Ive ever rode, and I finally switched to them from the classics, they havent flatspoted at all its been 2 years since, also they have a distinctive bark when you nose, tail, blunt ect.

My most worn wheel is always front toe side and I do believe it’s from fakie kick turns or slappy crooked grids on curbs. If the curb is low enough, that wheel ever so sightly drags on the ground.

same thing here with the wheel wear, conical fulls help wear less but you still have to rotate the front toe wheel with others to keep a set going when they are radial full or classic shape for me or it totally cones out.

My front toe side wheel also is always the first to cone. I assume just from a ridiculous amount of fakie pivots. Every time I don’t land a trick I usually step back on, roll away switch and then do a fakie pivot to regular before trying again.

You guys are both legendary 💯🙏🛹

Now I want to get a tape measure and nerd out on my board.

Another great vid, keep it up fellas #SkateOrDie

Ben with the Slappy connoisseur himself.

Ben, same: my front toe-side wheel cones first and I have no idea why. I ride almost exclusively transition

same! front toe side wheel for sure. then back toe side :p

Thanks vic

Never flat spotted F4s but I have flat spotted Acid REMS before funny enough. Front toe side wheel cones out for me first as well.

I always cone my front toe wheel more and I'm pretty sure it's because I slide my wheels when I quick turn from fakie to forward, on flat and transition

I have the same exact issue with wear on my front toe-side wheel. I assume it’s from turning on trucks that are a little tighter, which might increase the pressure vs looser trucks. Dunno 🤷‍♂️

It’s always front toe side wheel for me and it’s from nose slides for me 🤙🏻

Dan is probably one of my favorite skaters to watch skate. He has such a wild original slappy style and absolutely shreds.

Front toeside for me aswell. It's always been that way from doing reverts after I've landed fakie.

Please do more collabs with Dan!

Front toe side wheel cones most for me too. I know I'm a heavy toe side turner and I take more right turns. It's hard to take sharp left turns without slamming. Also, I've never flat spotted a Spitfire, but they definitely wear down fast-ish.

crossover of the century

Damn Ben, with all the stats!

The big nose is why I like the Andy Anderson flight deck (the first one) quite a lot. The downside is how it is a fairly big board of course, but the nose is less of a problem and way more of an advantage to me.

Hey Ben looking at thunder trucks to buy what do you recommend in thunders …hollow lights? Also where is the best place in Canada to order these

Dan spending the whole paycheck on a fresh fit for Papa Ben's channel 👌 Those 2.5 subs just clocked over to 3.

F4 flat spotted for me within the first week. I like to skate fast so I just slid extra to even them out. and then they ended up being my favorite wheel because of the shape and I felt they slid better than STFs.

I always get front toeside wheel wearing down/coning too, my theory is noseslides or how i'm riding/turning as you said

Tom Penny in his prime rode 7.5” decks with 8” axle Indy’s, so by those standards 8.5” deck on 9” trucks should even be fine.

I like Powell shapes so I picked up a 243 flight deck and the shape is glorious and I love everything about the decks but man the fiberglass shards from skating crusty Midwest spots is brutal. I just can't do it. I'm actually having a lot of fun skating weird shaped decks like the Welcome Darklord right now. My back toe side wears out but I do a ton of shuvits varial flips, BS 180, shuvit revert etc.. so for me it adds up why.

Mine cone front toe side as well. Nollie shuvs ? Heel flips?

i knew this videos would come

Good video king

i have powell ribs and also hacked off the tapered edges because i like my rail a bit further out and my wheels kept biting

Dan don't be so stressed out. You are a cool guy with cool setup!

Ben, Front toe side for me wears out first. Dan, Can you comment on any adjustments you make when your wheels are wider than your board? For me, they have to be flush or inside a bit. Otherwise I run over my toe. I can't get the effect of this out of my head LOL.

you can always tell it's Dan by his bushings going crazy micro squeeks LOL

These Cali videos are most enjoyable. Hope you go back soon and share the experience w/us like you did for this trip. Damn Gifted Hater Loves you. Maybe he could visit you and do some more collab videos,or do this style of video w/ppl. up in your hometown? Thanks Ben you e brought us lots of enjoyment in this series.

My front toe side wheel always cones first from kickturning on concrete ramps

Front toe side wheel is always the one that cones for me. I think it's from turning backside at the end of a line to go back the other way. It's not trick related for me.

Hey Ben front toeside is due to the most force being brought on the wheel while pushing. Great vid, keep them coming, greetz from Germany :)

Ben said his front toe side wheel are the smallest one. Its the same for me, and toe side wheels in general takes more pressure for me. I would guess its just how you skate, or if your board wants to go a bit left as a regular skater you might put a bit more pressure toe side high up on the board when you push especially 🤷🏻‍♂️ Anyone else who get one smaller wheel after a while?

F4s never flatspotted for me and I do Powerslide all the time. Didnt try stf. Other wheels definetely flatspot for me. Impressed that the dragons did not flatspot either. Probably because they Slide so nicely on rough ground.

Ben , please do a review on the Slappy hollows . Thanks . God bless brother !it's

looks good

My front toe side also cones out and wears more than others, I have no idea why either. I'm regular, 6 foot 155lbs

My toe side front wheel gets super coned from fakie kick turns have to rotate those things constantly

i'm regular footed and also cone out front toe-side wheel first/most

159 on a 8.5 board with "inverted" kingpins, my madness approves.

my front toe sides wheel also wears out quickly. I think it's because of tic-tacs and kickturns

My front toe side wheel cones a lot and I have to agree with Dan I think it’s from whipping fakie

I ask so l have a board 8.37 that semetrical board ??

Dan and Victor are some rippers for sure ~ Great video ~

Yep. Front toe wheel always is worn down first. That's why rotating the wheels makes them last longer. I'm surprise more skaters don't do this or talk about it in vids.

Front toe side for me, it's from kick turns on banks, similar to what Dan said.