Bending Veneer Against the Grain

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4 жыл бұрын

In this video I show the process to bend veneer against (bend perpendicular to the grain) the grain about a 1.25” radius using an iron and the PVA glue technique.

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@icomeinpeace6975 2 жыл бұрын

This is great. I have a desk I'm going to be building soon and this is exactly what I was trying to figure out. Thanks for the video.

@javadshadzi4824 2 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

@Afrobandiit 4 жыл бұрын

This video worked perfectly for me. followed step by step and turned out great! Also worked for concave corner, used a hair straightener instead of the iron for that.

@javadshadzi4824 2 жыл бұрын

Standard paper backed, 10 and 20 mil I believe

@WadeSmith19 2 жыл бұрын

Such a good video. Was looking for this exact information and here you got it

@pauldilorenzo2497 Жыл бұрын

Javad - thank you for a GREAT tip on bending veneer - much appreciated!

@steves7896 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, this one little video has just opened up a bunch of doors for me. Number one, I had no clue you could bond dried wood glue with heat. Number two, all the damaged 1940's waterfall furniture and console radios that I've passed over are now eligible for repair. Number three, knowing this technique I can now incorporate curved veneer with grain perpendicular to the curve into the designs of new builds. Thank you for sharing!!

@javadshadzi4824 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, glad this was interesting for you!

@fearlessfreddy50 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

@donaldwallace7934 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for posting this process. I have been looking for a good way to repair vintage radio cabinets with waterfall curves at top front of cabinets. 👍🏻👍🏻

@squeezy99 Жыл бұрын

Great video - got me thinking about using this technique for veneering over a compound dome shape.

@rolandkuhn9066 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.

@warp65 3 ай бұрын

Great tip, heat bonding dry pva is a new one to me .

@unmagicMike 4 жыл бұрын

How - awesome work, much better than the sticky spray, hope you get it right the first time approach

@Rebel9668 3 жыл бұрын

I use a cloth, but my iron is much older and doesn't have the teflon coating on the bottom. Never tried bending it like this before though. I need to bend some at a 45 degree offset for some trim pieces on a 1930's RCA K-80 console radio.

@ghese_choob 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you it was really helpful

@niharadawade4442 4 жыл бұрын

Very informative,thanks...

@davidkenagy8706 4 жыл бұрын

I want to do the same thing on an ogee molding. (Has both a convex and a concave curve, all within a distance of 2”). Is there an iron out there for the concave part?

@matthewcurry1858 2 жыл бұрын

Tha is for this video! Totally saved my bacon on a subwoofer build with rounded corners on the front baffle.

@javadshadzi4824 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@SinnerSince1962 2 жыл бұрын

If you use a wet cotton cloth, you can get the steam to wet the wood and make it more pliable. You can do 1" radius with that method.

@MrBri100 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Building a set of speakers and researching this very subject. I'll let you know how it goes. Planning on a 1" radius.

@javadshadzi4824 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds good keep me posted

@pilotdog68 Жыл бұрын

How did it go?

@Ranametalera 3 жыл бұрын

Bro, thanks for this video, it's very revealing for my current project. Now, what about a video about overlapping cut between layers? Subed by the way...

@grantstewart5453 Жыл бұрын

Have you tried an inside corner with a curling iron? I have a guitar headstock to do with a slight 1" radius or so.

@javadshadzi4824 Жыл бұрын

I have not, you’d need to find a way to press it down to/o burning your hand, a heat gun and clamping jig to heat up the veneer and cabinet till the glue melts then clamping it and letting it cool would likely be the best way, give some stiff a try like I did here 👍🏼

@edmundisanski982 2 жыл бұрын

Genius!

@carbidetooth 3 жыл бұрын

Javad, I think we might be kindred spirits! I'm similarly interested ( perhaps obsessed ) with speaker building. FWIW, There is some good reason to use Titebond I for this technique. It has the lowest emulsification temperature of all the Titebonds. I don't have the data in front of me, but at one time did some testing and, particularly with Titebond III, found the emulsification temperature was slightly beyond what the iron could achieve.

@javadshadzi4824 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Peter, very cool! I haven’t used T3 but T2 works very well and I’ve heard T1 does as well, T2 bonds almost instantly and that’s what I use for most of my wood working so I always have some in hand. If you’re interested check out my speaker building Facebook group called DIY Loudspeaker Project Pad, lots of good obsessed and talented people there ☺️

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@javadshadzi4824 3 жыл бұрын

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@scottmellors2854 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Would this work with contact glue if it is left to dry first?

@javadshadzi4824 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure but it could, the power of this technique is that the heat melts the PVA glue and it softens the veneer, I'm not sure how the contact cement would react to the heat and I don't think the contact cement would stick enough to deal with the bending forces. Worth a shot on a test piece

@scottmellors2854 3 жыл бұрын

@@javadshadzi4824 thanks. I will go and buy some paper and give it a go. Want to try this on a window sill

@FirstLast-ig5yf Жыл бұрын

What do you think of bending veneer, cross grain, from a top surface sharp turn 90 degrees down to edge in one piece, i.e., to avoid putting on edge strips?

@javadshadzi4824 Жыл бұрын

No problem at all, see this video where I wrap a whole box in one piece cross grain. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a52Ug9yJrp7Jl40.html

@nearlynormal007 4 жыл бұрын

Good thing I didn't know you aren't supposed to be able to do this. This is how I did the veneer on my concrete speakers.😂 a little steam from the iron will also help soften it

@nbafanaticsglobal6070 Жыл бұрын

Hi Javad, this was exactly wha I was looking for! quick question: how thick is the veneer? 2 mm or more?

@javadshadzi4824 Жыл бұрын

Great, thanks! This is standard paper backed veneer, not sure on the exact thickness but thin, 1mm or less, I believe 1/40th of 1 inch. or .635mm

@kentcroy1609 4 жыл бұрын

Veneer softener works well

@javadshadzi4824 4 жыл бұрын

Kent Croy key is actually bonding it, this method could be used with veneer softener but I didn’t find it necessary with this radius, likely with smaller radii

@marvinschaap2931 4 жыл бұрын

Good tips Javad. Let us know how it holds up long term.

@robertbruun4062 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, will definitely use it. Perhaps you, or anyone else, can help me on how to veneer a flat mdf with a 45 degree bevel in one go without having the veneer to crack?! Thanks

@javadshadzi4824 Жыл бұрын

You’ll need lots of practice, you’ll need to cut the corner out of the bevel, easiest way to do this is make one cut down the middle, overlap the pieces flat on the substrate and make one cut through both flaps on the top of the bevel transition, then remove the excess pieces and glue.

@fletchermunson6225 3 жыл бұрын

Cool. I'm going to do 1/2 with the grain so should be easy. Nervous on first one but taking my time.

@javadshadzi4824 3 жыл бұрын

Cool! Keep me posted, message me if you'd like, I recommend doing some tests until you're comfortable and confident

@fletchermunson6225 3 жыл бұрын

@@javadshadzi4824 Thanks. I'm testing the half inch round on a 2x4 and will make sure the Jatoba wood will take it. (Why Jatoba? I have no idea.) I plan to do two vertical half rounds on the front panel of a CSS Chriton kit and do a horse shoe bend around the sides. Also from looking at an Acoustic Energy 500 speaker I got the idea to do a half round across the top and bottom at the back of the speaker and making another horse shoe piece covering the top back and bottom in one piece. I should get a decent grain match on the top and pretty good on the bottom. The back will just have to tun horizontally but then, it's the back. I didn't like the four pointed corners on the speakers. I can just see me bashing one and a nightmare MDF/veneer repair. I like the idea of rounded corners and I just think it looks better.

@fletchermunson6225 3 жыл бұрын

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@fletchermunson6225 3 жыл бұрын

Correcting myself. My palm router only handles 1/4" shank bits so 1/5" radius is the upper limit on radius and after looking at things I think a one inch radius would be more appropriate. I'm not buying another router so back to angular corners. Sigh.

@MrBri100 2 жыл бұрын

Did your 1/2" radius work ? I'm about to do a set of CSS Critons. I've put a 3/4 on it and would like to stick with that.

@RankoTomic Жыл бұрын

What if I want to bend veneer parallel with grain?

@javadshadzi4824 Жыл бұрын

It’s much easier to do as the veneer likes bending with the grain. Just be careful, raw I backed veneer can crack in either direction, paper backed veneers do well and usually don’t have issues. Sometimes a veneer will crack with the grain, so do a test before the final if you want to be careful.

@deanedgx 4 жыл бұрын

BOOM! Shake the room.

@derekjarman1638 4 жыл бұрын

Nice! Have you tried this with raw veneer?

@javadshadzi4824 3 жыл бұрын

I have not but it will work the same

@FirstLast-ig5yf Жыл бұрын

Has anyone tried a full 90 degree bend this way? Thanks.

@javadshadzi4824 Жыл бұрын

Basically what I did here, but yes also here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a52Ug9yJrp7Jl40.html

@marcellomelchior2615 Жыл бұрын

That works for the outside part of the curve. What if i want to bend it in the inside part of the curve? I hope you get what i mean.. sorry not really good with explaining it..

@modeler007 8 ай бұрын

Once you heat the surface with the iron its very important to burnish the surface as it cools! Use the edge of a 2x4 until it cools otherwise, your bond will have air pockets.and on your video you can see the edges are NOT adhering properly.

@javadshadzi4824 8 ай бұрын

This absolutely isn’t necessary or even needed, light pressure from the iron is all that’s needed to get a strong bond. What you describe, veneer scraping, is needed for contact cements to get a good bond, the iron on PVA glue method bonds through heat and melting alone.

@robinr6919 2 жыл бұрын

These are 1/16in veneers?

@javadshadzi4824 Жыл бұрын

No that’s very thick, this is standard paper backed veneer, 1/40th inch thick I believe

@Rezaidea 2 жыл бұрын

Mamnoon

@eleasartamez9125 3 жыл бұрын

Give a product called heatlock a try for veneering. It works great heat activated, you can position the pieces without them adhering like a contact cement. Great product

@8leggedsquirrel521 4 ай бұрын

"if you want to conform" to the holiday. What in the angsty teen fuck kind of intro was that? Maybe people have fun celebrating and showing their love.

@javadshadzi4824 4 ай бұрын

Just a little sarcasm, I celebrate it too so don’t get too worked up 😆