Is chain lube a scam? Does your bike really need it?

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THE FULL TEST IS NOW LIVE - you can watch it here: • Best motorcycle chain ...
What lubes and cleaners do YOU use? Let me know so we can include them in the test... John
Most modern motorcycle chains are sealed with O-rings (or X-rings / some other fancy rubbery ring) to keep grease inside the pins; it stands to reason that non-sealed chains (found on small-capacity bikes) need lubricating, but is motorcycle chain lube necessary on bigger bikes, or is it just a scam to make us spend £15 on a can of grease?
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@bennettsbikesocial 3 жыл бұрын

The chain lubes test is finally complete - you can watch it here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNWjm81-mqmokac.html Thanks for your patience, John

@BigBadLoneWolf 3 жыл бұрын

i clean my chain with parrafin, wipe dry, then apply 80/90 gearbox oil, then wipe off excess, as advised in the owners manual. if anyone is familiar with ryan F9, he did a test and came to the same conclusion

@thewatcher5271 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, FortNine Does Two Of The Best Videos On Chain Cleaning & Lubrication. I Use Kerosene To Clean & Gear Oil To Lubricate. Thank You.

@richardbrown9344 Ай бұрын

But parrafin destroys the rubber seals in the links they say?

@buskman3286 9 ай бұрын

I haven't lubed an Oring or Xring chain on a street bike in at least 15 years. No issue with wear. Cleaning the chain occasionally is all that is necessary. Chain lube just attracts dirt and causes this abrasive paste to work on the chain sprocket.

@richardbrown9344 Ай бұрын

How do you clean it mate?

@rc2634 4 жыл бұрын

This is excellent and extraordinary info! Thanks for sharing the knowledge and looking forward to the lubricant test!

@King-Arthur-The-First 3 жыл бұрын

any aerosol is bad news. small amount of gear oil is all you need.

@richardpope3063 3 жыл бұрын

Chainsaw and cutterbar oil I use on non "O" ring chain, on 110cc Honda cub with enclosed chain, excellent results. Applied with paint brush and occasionally use chain spray lube. 80,000 Km so far. Seems once the chain is 'run-in' (polished) then a steady state condition arises. Beautiful. Note: the full enclosure does act as a suction 'focus' around the sprokets though far preferable to an open chain for (in my case) postal delivery. Removing the top 1/2 of chaincase is speeded-up by replacing the two 10mm bolts with two screws.

@charliem5332 4 жыл бұрын

Lubrication and penetration. It makes the world go round. Not just the chain.

@kcdmine3635 3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@nvkulk 3 жыл бұрын

I Live my life by lubes and penetrants!

@death2pc 3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the mint jelly!

@guri131 Жыл бұрын

Winner

@jamiehalifax4954 2 күн бұрын

Just hawk tuah on that thang ! 😮😂😂😂😮

@Invis_Space 4 жыл бұрын

YES! I want to see this follow up video!!!!! Brilliant!

@AlexKost-tq6bj 5 ай бұрын

Omg, FINALLY someone was able to explain what lubing an o-ring chain actually does. How does this video only have 3.2k views!? Also really appreciate that you guys actually reached out to experts and share their opinion was just adding more persona preference/noise to this darn topic. 10/10

@bennettsbikesocial 5 ай бұрын

Thanks! Cheers, John

@ggj666 3 жыл бұрын

"we asked a man who makes and sells chain lube, do we need to use chain lube" something tells me that the answer would be yes. If he was selling a Banana as chain lube and you asked him if it was needed and you wanted to pay for it guess what his answer would be ?😁😁

@ekimandersom4478 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah kinda stupid

@ioriyagami9982 3 жыл бұрын

True

@STho205 3 жыл бұрын

A banana might work well

@mickl8212 2 жыл бұрын

The man who sells chain lube is telling the truth. It's not to lubricate the inside of the rollers on the chain(if they have O rings), it's to lubricate contact between the outside of the chain roller, side plates where it comes into contact with the sprocket.

@Chokkan 2 жыл бұрын

6:44

@markhorton7013 4 жыл бұрын

I always use Paraffin/Kerosene for cleaning & Gear Oil EP 80W90 for Lubing.... Done it for quite a while now and I get great longevity from my DriveChain. It states both these products in my Haynes Workshop Manual or Indeed it says alternatively use a Proprietory Brand of Chain Cleaner and Chain Lube suitable for 'O' and 'X' ring Drivechains. (Never use Gasoline to clean, as it will damage the seals and ruin the chain)

@bobbyblueace 4 жыл бұрын

80W90 gear oil applied to warm chain. There is no point trying to layer it on because it will fling off. Just apply half a tea spoon of oil with a narrow paint brush and wipe away any excess to leave a micro layer that stays put with no noticeable fling. Need to apply it more frequently than chain gloop though but it does only takes 2 minutes with no mess. Cheap too!

@raymondo162 4 жыл бұрын

Scott Oiler

@tweetchris46 3 жыл бұрын

BobbyBlueAce that’s what I do 👍 especially easy on a bike with a centre stand

@harryw9598 Жыл бұрын

true, it was recommended by yamaha in my manual way back in 1994.

@lyrics36 Жыл бұрын

That's what I do. I do after every ride. Whether 100 miles or 700 miles. A bit of fling .... I'm sure I put more on than I need to ... but my chains are laying 40,000+ miles.

@iancurtis5397 4 жыл бұрын

I use maxima clean, lube, and wax After applying all of the above I can feel a difference as far as the movement of the chain itself. Makes so much difference

@jsin22366322 4 жыл бұрын

I second that comment.

@mikewatson361 4 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to your findings 🤔 as always, worth watching to the very end 🤣🤣😉

@Banditmanuk 4 жыл бұрын

If you have an MT10 with yellow wheels you clean, lube and then wipe the chain with a cloth so there is little left to fling.

@barryroberts2474 4 жыл бұрын

In the days I started riding in 1965 we had chains with clips that separated. I like many riders then, periodically took the chain off the bike, soaked it in parafin overnight to remove grime.Then heated grease in a pan and placed the clean chain in the pan of hot grease. Removed excess grease, replaced the chain and rode away. How many riders would do that today. Great video.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

I have to admit that I'm so geeky I probably would! John

@SmallSpoonBrigade 4 жыл бұрын

I'm curious how many even could. All the chains I've used had one time use master links. Doing all that work isn't really worthwhile. Even with negligent maintenance, my last chain lasted like 10k miles. Removing the chain and redoing the masterlink represents a net decrease in safety all to avoid having to replace a chain after thousands of miles.

@michaelsteven1090 4 жыл бұрын

Damn your old..

@barryroberts2474 4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelsteven1090 yeh! But I'm still riding a high powered bike and enjoying every minute.

@2sx4u 4 жыл бұрын

Me. It's the best way.

@mujtabakamal 4 жыл бұрын

Great video...excited to see more stuff like this

@granite676 Жыл бұрын

I'm bewildered as to why this question keeps coming up 🤔 as an engineer this is common sense to me that lubrication on ANY metal to metal contact is a must. I ALWAYS lube my chain after a ride when it"s hot so it really gets into the gaps then cools with the lube on it. Better slightly too much than not enough but watch it doesn't get all over that wheel and tyre 😉👍

@johnmortison5763 3 жыл бұрын

Chain saw bar oil works great. It's sticky and stays on pretty well and it's cheap.

@cpuuk 4 жыл бұрын

Ah, at last, I've long had a theory that lube was lubing the roller\ sprocket contact point- thanks for confirming it.

@King-Arthur-The-First 3 жыл бұрын

arrrr us Brits can be sarcastic, but as long as we keep each other entertained with it😋👍 I do think that all experienced motorcyclist and every single motorcycle racer will tell you.... why the hell is anyone spraying their chain with any aerosol, chain lube or cleaner? Chains just need small smear of gear oil as per the chain mamanufacturesnstructions.

@Maax1200 3 жыл бұрын

@@King-Arthur-The-First If its o-ring yes. Not all bikes use o-ring though and not using some kind of chain lube/oil in bigger quanteties than a smear will kill the chain within a matter of weeks.

@richardsimpson3792 3 жыл бұрын

I use a diesel-soaked rag to clean the chain, then wipe with a dry rag. Then apply MucOff dry lube onto the inside of the bottom rung of the chain, while turning the back wheel backwards. I paint the joining link of the chain bright red to make it easier to find and check and this also serves as a marker to ensure the entire chain is cleaned and lubed.

@leonardorojas1781 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your tips, mate 😁

@richardbrown9344 Ай бұрын

But diesel is no good for the orings...

@babar69110 11 ай бұрын

obsession about greasing chain, but what makes hard points and elongation is torque peak which deforms the inside rollers...

@marcpilon9189 3 жыл бұрын

If the main objective is o-ring integrity, shouldn't we just use a silicone based dry or wet lube ? Silicone is the go to for lubrication of o-rings in other fields

@chrisbunker2117 4 жыл бұрын

One used to be able to easily remove the chain. It would then be cleaned. The appropriate chain grease would then be put into a pot, melted using Heat, ie. over a flame or hot plate. When the grease becomes hot and fluid, simply lay the chain into the molten grease allowing the grease to penatrate the inner workings of the chain. There were recommended amounts of time to leave the chain in the liquid grease. After this process the grease would be allowed to cool so that the chain could be safely taken out of the pot. A quick whipe over and the freshly lubed chain is ready for reinstallation.

@MikeHarveyPhoto Жыл бұрын

I remember that can't remember the name

@PanamaSticks 11 ай бұрын

My bike has an undersized chain (520). So it tends to stretch. I noticed decades ago that some NON O-RING racing chains had higher load specifications. So I switched to those types of chains and have not had a problem with stretch. So now my question is, are non o-ring racing chains internally greased, or do they rely on the chain lube penetrating? I used a whale oil based chain lube for years that did not fling off. When whaling was outlawed. I switched to a lube with Moly in it. I'd like your thoughts on that...

@0222ie 4 жыл бұрын

Nearly 4000 kms on a zzr1200 two up fully loaded, around France, dry lube at the end of every day, is a high quality chain, didn't adjust it once and still no need to, nó grit stuck and no fling, rag and wd40 to clean, 12,000 kms and chain still good. Dry lube wax👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@nvmcrider8475 3 жыл бұрын

I never oil my chains and they last several years. Granted I live in the desert, but lubing them just creates a mess and a chain is a relatively inexpensive replacement item.

@King_Harrold 4 жыл бұрын

Motul C5 chain paste please. Will be interesting to see if the easier application compromises protection.

@MotoGoato 3 жыл бұрын

I use paraffin, some old clean hand towels and a toothbrush for cleaning the chain ... always brings it up like new. Then I use Wurth HP Dry lube and a ChainMate for lubing duties. Lube after each couple of rides and give it a full clean once every 300/400 miles or so.

@tcbglasgow800 4 жыл бұрын

Tried gear oil for a while, great in dry weather, but would wash off when bike was left out in the rain leaving me to run the chain dry. Changed to a rock oil spray, been good so far feels very tacky though. Will be interested to see how it copes nearer the winter months. My commute is a 50+ round trip and use the bike in all but extreme weather. Having chewed up 2 chains in 18 month anything that helps prolong the life would be of great interest. Looking forward to the results!

@King-Arthur-The-First 3 жыл бұрын

gear oil whenever needed prolongs chain life as per the manufacturers recommendation. chain lube attracts dirt.

@mrmc2465 3 жыл бұрын

Is the o ring in a bicycle chain the same as for a motorcycle ie the grease there should be protected and not interfered with?

@firestorm755 4 жыл бұрын

I've been riding for 40 years now. The chain on my Firestorm has just been changed along with sprockets of course. 32000 that chain had done. It had zero corrosion due to lots of lube. I spray the chain liberally then wrap a rag around it while turning the wheel by hand then repeat. The chain now looks good and ready to go. The other trick is don't have your chain too tight. Adjust the slack with you on board. Your chain will thank you for this.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

This test will still be gong ahead, but lockdown has caused a major delay in getting hold of some of the materials. Hit subscribe and you'll get a notification when it's complete. Cheers, John

@timmasonguitar 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks John. I am subbed, so I get the alerts. Agree that Ryan did a great job, but just not comprehensive enough to cover the UK. It was interesting to see which "approved" cleaners managed to get past the o rings. I currently use Muc-off cleaner and Wurth Dry lube.

@hdchiriac 4 жыл бұрын

I hate doing chain cleaning, so I designed a new tool: ChainBath. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i9ibm7WWnc21gH0.html

@avsolanki94 3 жыл бұрын

still waiting for the test.

@bennettsbikesocial 3 жыл бұрын

@@avsolanki94 It'll be worth it...

@fictiveaudio 3 жыл бұрын

Still waiting, would be super interesting.. come on guys!!!

@allenglishknives6823 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks 👍🏻

@jhooton75 4 жыл бұрын

I look forward to your chain lube testing video.

@King-Arthur-The-First 3 жыл бұрын

gear oil wins but the wise know it was always a one horse race.

@rogerbarrett9920 3 жыл бұрын

I always clean my chain thoroughly before lubing with EP 90 gear oil and then wiping off excess. With dry weather riding I do that every 500 miles - wet weather more frequently. Any other method will turn your chain lube into grinding paste - Been doing this for at least 40 years now - All chains wear out in the end but my GSXR 1100 back in the 90's, drive chain lasted 23000 miles before I had to replace it and I used to to ride it extremely hard. I bought My 2005 Z1000 new and still have it - and it still has its original chain, although I'm only a fair weather rider now as I'm getting on in years. The only time I have ever used spray on chain lube in the past, was when European touring and then I had a very large can of industrial chain lube (much cheaper) - and then washed it all off when I go back home.

@jumper2079 4 жыл бұрын

You guys are phenomenal! Thanks for all you do.

@NishadAbdulkhader 4 жыл бұрын

hi john can you a video on fuel tank pre filters which filter the fuel from dirt, particulates, rust and water

@mariog4707 3 жыл бұрын

I used Wurth dry chain lube before I went shaft drive - it’s a leap of faith as you can not see it so you just have to believe it’s there doing it’s job. What I did (which initially was a faff I’ll admit) was clean off all the grease I could from the chain as soon as I bought the bike (Triumph Tiger 1050 Sport) using a chain cleaner and then painted the side plates with metal lacquer to protect them from corrosion, sprayed on the dry lube and continued to do so every fuel fill up for the next 12,000 miles until I sold the bike with the chain and sprockets still like new. The chain stayed clean, no “fling” on the back wheel, no corrosion and it only ever needed adjusted at tyre change time. Grease and wax just attract grit and make a grinding paste so you end up in an endless cycle of cleaning, lubing, cleaning, lubing. It worked for me anyway.

@bennettsbikesocial 3 жыл бұрын

That's dedication! Cheers, John

@taxibo77 3 жыл бұрын

Thanx so much

@JeffreyBaconBacon Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the information in this video. I really enjoyed it.

@bennettsbikesocial Жыл бұрын

Make sure you check out the chain lubes test: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNWjm81-mqmokac.html

@tweetchris46 4 жыл бұрын

After 30+ years of riding I’ve only recently changed over to using gear oil instead of chain lube. Oil is so much better.

@PrimoStracciatella 3 жыл бұрын

I bought a liter of chain saw oil years ago, haven't used half of it yet. It lubricates well, dirt doesn't stick to it much and if you don't apply too much it sticks to the chain well. I simply apply it with a finger.

@stevetop5970 3 жыл бұрын

@@PrimoStracciatella Cheapest and best.

@nockianlifter661 3 жыл бұрын

I use the oil which comes with the Scottoiler. The thicker the grease, the more muck sticks like a grinding paste. Light oil shrugs it off.

@STho205 3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Dish soap and a toothbrush in that pinch point he points out to remove old dirt. Hose off. Blow or sun dry. Toothbrush and chainsaw bar oil applied at that same pinch point as you rotate your wheel. Rub it on the side of the links last to avoid visible rust. Thats good nuff. Costs about 3c a treatment.

@mickeymouse4897 Жыл бұрын

I keep telling the younger guys, gear oil & non O-ring chain is far more cost effective & lasts longer than any O-ring rubbish, they only developed the O-ring chain, as most riders are bone idle & not wanting to actually clean a chain properly, plus the crazy price on top for chain lube & crazy chain prices for a chain that is inferior to a no O-ring chain, as they can never be cleaned effectively nor lubed either... it's an industry rip off 100%.

@ncsteeltoe 4 жыл бұрын

Dupont Teflon Multi works well for me (not Dupont Chainsaver which is oddly ineffective). Maxima Chain Wax is good. Easy to clean and lasts a very long time.

@jeffbarnard348 4 жыл бұрын

Maxima chain wax has served me well on multiple bikes and 10s of thousands km. I'll never use a lube that flings off everywhere again

@iamneallyons4263 4 жыл бұрын

Really good video again, reading the comments most people swear by gear oil however.

@teneretraveller8980 4 жыл бұрын

Tuturo chain oiler on my last 4 bikes. Simple to fit and use. It cleans as well as lubricates. 30,000 from a chain and I usually change before I have to because I don't want to be caught out mid trip. And that's on singles and twins, not smooth, non snatchy triples and fours. How about running an oiler against a well cleaned and manually lined chain?

@bikersquest 4 жыл бұрын

I have one on both my bikes, it's made the drive chain almost maintenance free!

@ray8328 4 жыл бұрын

I use the Cobrra Nemo 2 oiler, similar concept with 80W90 oil. I was considering the Tuturo but I got a good deal on the Nemo here in Switzerland. I agree with your sentiments, as my chain maintenance is now made much easier without all the sticky chain lube. Cleaning is quick and drys overnight and ready for lubing on the way the work.

@ItsMeeJon 4 жыл бұрын

I prefer a wax over a typical liquid lube. Far less flinging when applied properly. Warm up the chain first. Apply wax. Allow to set up. Ride!

@raydavison2972 4 жыл бұрын

Wax definitely has less fling but penetration is poor even when applied as you suggest. I use the sDoc white chain lube shown in this vid and it really is good with minimal fling. The sDoc chain cleaner is also the best I have tried from many brands. In fact, although expensive all of the sDoc products I have used impress massively no matter what they are compared against.

@loggggon 3 жыл бұрын

Crap sticks to wax

@taz4100 3 жыл бұрын

@@loggggonit goes on completely liquid tjen the wax dries and it has dry lubricants to lubricate. It keeps the chain cleaner then any other lube I have seen. But I don't believe it lubricates as well as a traditional style lube as the chain gets warmer with wax lube. But it doesn't attract gunk so you don't have the the dirt grinding In the chain. I believe it's a small trade off for easier maintenance, no fling and the reports I have seen show 25k out of a wax chain.

@stephenhadley2490 4 жыл бұрын

I have a love hate relationship with chain lube. On my adventure bike it seems to turn into an abrasive paste after a few km of dusty roads. I once had a Ducati 999 that I never lubed the chain on as I had OCD about getting it dirty and it seemed to last fine but it was a fair weather bike. Otherwise I do like the white waxy stuff but it’s probably just for looks over actual performance.

@ferszl 3 жыл бұрын

Scottoiler type continuous lubrication with anything makes you ride carefree till your front sprocket allows (up to 40kkm in my case)

@leeengelsman1855 Жыл бұрын

Hmmmm... interesting!.

@kousikv2247 2 жыл бұрын

This is probably the most sensible video I've seen till now. Talking about what should be talked. My owners manual specifies to use a sae 90w oil. That's it. Iam considering to use a 140 oil. Would highly appreciate your opinion on that. The bike is a ninja 650. Thanks

@bennettsbikesocial 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much... you'll love this then! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNWjm81-mqmokac.html

@johnDukemaster 4 жыл бұрын

Dry lube for me! Used it for years and the chain looks fine after 35-40 000km. And no dirt on the wheel!

@kcdmine3635 3 жыл бұрын

what are dry lubes?

@johnDukemaster 3 жыл бұрын

@@kcdmine3635 Chain lubrication, not based on oil. Much better since it stays on the chain with a much cleaner looking wheel. Been using it for years with no issues.

@Nanosoft017 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnDukemaster what are you using mate?

@johnDukemaster 3 жыл бұрын

@@Nanosoft017 Well Dry lube...the can on the shelf right now says S100 on it. But there are other brands. Once you start using dry lube you'll never look back.

@stuartcourteney968 4 жыл бұрын

Iv been using TRU-TENSION chain wax found it pretty good with minimal fling when fully dry before heading out the banana chain lube they do is also good with a gorgeous banana Fragrance but dose fling a bit more than the wax

@edwardm9227 4 жыл бұрын

I did a French tour a while back with a big kwack, I had a mini aerosol chain lube which I did most days. We had terrible weather, rain, heavy or torrential! At the port in France on the way back after passing control I rode around to the embarkation area, I thought I was being followed by a Panzer tank! Bought a scottoiler mini, I now adjust the chain once a year, which includes a European jolly of 1500 miles or so every year.

@mickeymouse4897 3 жыл бұрын

A non O-ring chain lubricated in gear oil would not have failed on u ... enough said

@edwardm9227 3 жыл бұрын

@@mickeymouse4897 on a 1500 mile European jolly with poor weather, non o ring oiled on departure would have been dry day two, eight days with no lube! no, chain oiler on big power bikes is the only way ✊

@michaelmarchuk3692 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, probably one of the more intelligent discussions on motorcycle chain maintenance i've seen. My BMW GS recommends cleaning and lubing every 1000k. Been working for me!

@marcos.1771 3 ай бұрын

1000k as in one million?

@terrystratford1235 2 ай бұрын

@marcos.1771 me thinks he joking......gs is shaft drive😂

@marcos.1771 2 ай бұрын

@@terrystratford1235 Yes, I know the GS does not use a drive chain, but it's that 1000k that puzzled me.

@terrystratford1235 2 ай бұрын

@marcos.1771 lol!! 1000kilometers be about right to clean and lube chain. I do mine every 500miles! But yeh, k can mean 1000! I don't know the service intervals for the gs shaft, but 1000kilometers seems overkill! Doubt bike would do more than 300000miles! Maybe his bmw dealer is shafting him!😁

@marcos.1771 2 ай бұрын

@@terrystratford1235 I have the M Endurance chain on my BMW S1000XR, which hardly needs service. The GS shaft does not get serviced, it gets replaced. A little while ago, BMW recalled just about every GS, because there was a huge issue with their shafts.

@jimbo21ist 2 жыл бұрын

So how much £ will it save you? If you u use premium brand . But it only adds a year on to the longevity of the chan. What is the difference between using wd40 and sdoc100 and just getting a new chain earlier?

@josev1544 4 жыл бұрын

what material are the seals made from. the cleaner/lubricator must also preserve the seals. but also this chemical should resist water. my best guess is a silicone spray or silicone brake fluid.

@joebloggs3122 3 жыл бұрын

Please can you also consider the new Regina Z ring maintenance free chain available OEM on the BMW S1000RR and generally available in January 2021?

@adriansmith1826 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, did you do the product testing, what were your findings? I've tried many products, they do vary so interested to know what's best.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

Not yet I'm afraid - it got delayed slightly, but I should have been doing it now. As soon as lockdown is over I'll be able to get the rest of the kit in that I need, and commission an independent lab. Sorry for the delay! John

@Markycarandbikestuff 3 жыл бұрын

When i get a bike i fit a new high quality chain/sprockets (Renthal/DID), clean the chain twice a week or after a wet ride with WD40, then spray with GT85, wipe off the excess, no sticky mess and the gold chain stays looking great. I'm a bit OCD though.

@guylegros153 Ай бұрын

For me I use graphite bloc (dry lubricant) the chain passing non stop on the bloc avoiding à compound made of grit dust and sand abrasiv for the chain and it works well

@Bow-to-the-absurd 4 жыл бұрын

There's no lubricating the points of contact between the rollers and the sprocket.

@chupacabra7224 10 ай бұрын

These days I buy my things with your recommendation. Do you think Scottoiler is worth it or not please

@CZ350tuner 3 жыл бұрын

the longest lasting chain, that I've had on a bike, was a 428 on a 1979 CZ 250-471.4 , which lasted just over 15,000 miles. I never used chain lube, instead relying on the inbuild total loss drive chain oiling system & fully enclosed oil bath that the bike had as OEM. The 428 chain only had to deal with 17 HP & 28.5 Pounds/Foot of torque though. When it came to replacing the chain the fully enclosed chain guard with oil bath made it a messy job, so I ran without it. The hot gear box oil drip feed, through the output sprocket shaft centre, still functioned, giving the exposed chain a service life of 7,000 to 8,000 miles. The system loses 1 drip of gearbox oil per 2 or 3 miles, which also lubricates the automatic clutch actuator, before ending up on the primary sprocket and being spun out into the chain. The owners manual recommends topping th gearbox oil up very 1,000 miles. The only fault with it is when the tiny O ring metering washer wears out and the the drive chain is over lubricated, flinging a lot about the right side of the tyre (it costs 2p to replace).

@jake9671 11 ай бұрын

My Royal Enfield 1986 has this system. It's called prether or something. Mine has 18 bhp and its a 350 cc long strong engine. Chain lasted for a long time that I was so amazed that my friend changed his chain for his new bike..

@rob379lqz 3 жыл бұрын

I’m goin’ nekked from now on. Way too much frustration with the fling. I’ll change by chain/sprocket twice instead of using chain schmoo.

@michaelpiano7052 4 жыл бұрын

Lube - Dupont Teflon Chain Saver Cleaner - Dupont Chain and Sprocket Degreaser

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks - on the list

@dyslectische 4 жыл бұрын

I use white grease . And if it's dirty jus clean it Whit towel and use again white grease . You don't need a lot of it . I even use it on bmx . And if you don't have o rings in it. Just take of you chain and kook it so the dirt come out an use crease again we'll the Cain is hot so the crease go in to the chain .

@crazybrit-nasafan 3 жыл бұрын

Soaked my new chain in heated up grease overnight. Had a Scottoiler on it, rode the bike (a pre power restriction CB125TC) with mechanical sympathy. The chain lasted just under two years. Admittedly only about 50-80 miles a week though but still, that's a long life for a chain. I really miss that bike. Was faster than a mate of mines CB250.

@ANDY1985UK2011 3 жыл бұрын

i've done nearly 15k miles so far on my MT 07 stock chain after 2 years and 2 months

@andyexuptaylor4503 3 жыл бұрын

What about chain oilers eg. Scotoiler I do think they extend chain life maybe cos of the oil or maybe cos the chain is always clean but either way they improve chain life

@steve-wu7jp 4 жыл бұрын

Maxima chain wax is extremely popular in the us for good reason . No fling , no rust and works the best. You guys should try to order one for the test .

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

Already on the list - thanks!

@hemp64731 Жыл бұрын

@@bennettsbikesocial any update on this?

@leeengelsman1855 Жыл бұрын

My two cents (yes I'm cheap), I use 80/90w gear oil mixed with a a very small amount graphite on a hot chain it's so cheap I have to relube more often (350km) more so in rain obviously as always. It removes contaminants from the chain as it eventually flys off because of the detergents in it. Grime just wipes off easily with rag.

@PHATTSTER 4 жыл бұрын

great vid, new subscriber too !!!

@someone46018 4 жыл бұрын

Gear lube, and be done with it. Cheaper than chain lube, and is actually what DID recommended on my new 520 O-ring chain, same recomendation by Honda on the bike's manual.

@ANDY1985UK2011 3 жыл бұрын

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274319990313?epid=652688914&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item3fdebede29:g:XZQAAOSw~HBefnBh&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACgBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%252Fn%252BzU5L90Z278x5ickkY3FSd4Ad8xn3oRtkVexxrKQuNfZ0NUK7P1qFxyQGTK9guZHnbT3V7bNjTpKtTFDpdPVvrWEDj3FwGsxYR36H9iebqlcjlbmNeWCErLuPPFl%252BzV3fpbCw4jKU6cnDSVBU06hVtoBZSrz0V4sNJbuXeq8YTUNKgOwBuDgnIyqgAshqg6E6qPavikbnBpoBPCvHGcDZJTb3kZDamrKQy6yMEbufsbc012E4hCoL990vFkKQ3bgPVUxfZbT5Yc%252BqqP7OkCZHKL8yohn5RtgAdfC3izCfbdZ5r8lymBNWC%252B8yH92ZvWbO2Eg4zuyvg2tp2LI9hC6FVgnTEQXgGOiK2mgI2JzbhGgUhZ%252FaCuxFXRYp6mdh6PtcxPznGPeNY0DlxrVtwD04OW1xT08j2c9O5pmqLMzYH6h%252FjePTUM3u%252FXC%252BoWXudxEGDsSGFFf%252Ba3BGn4%252BjaAIpk8rxKMliwMCH1zKJ37v1dTFuVBn63TI8N0I1ceU%252Fl2XxD8fXi7SWFoEDI8XbbXoHECzyF88e8q4igKwoTxVJGJFg9yEOMBiP7xaKwxngbIMVvDMWxjoI7crUV3n59IOiJXIAcLzjjKwdZOYrvHdiZROLHYDzpPJjqwL%252FGYIW2g%252B%252FGF9o%252BkTmk6HclnJG3N%252BQ4%252FG9NXdnTBtt4ILEDAlAnb6RhlMq0ip1NUjTlgOEP2YlvzNeVuMK0Y83IW9WTzPNckyFrNWkB%252BKwz%252FWoLZ3YYEXp%252FVgYc9qnsLdq7vTQQkXKjKxC4%252BHt0KSBdGkXGFPxZTNFJq7IojrzLBeyonEGDBUj2Ji2Ovt9uK3bjhM%253D%7Ccksum%3A27431999031318414f6cc3034c8b92e86ff5f053755c%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524 this stuff okay?

@Truth.Keeper 2 жыл бұрын

Same with my 2006 kx450f owner's manual.

@c138599 4 жыл бұрын

I've used Maxima Chain wax for 25 years, since it came out I think. Stuck with it because it works but interested to see what's new and what works. My tip no matter what product - apply it immediately after a ride while chain is warm (say every 200 - 500kms or every opportunity if in rain) and use the lube to CLEAN the chain each time. After spraying it on use paper towels to clean off the grunge on all four sides, plates and rollers, and on the rear sprocket. Takes me 5-10 minutes. Enough will be left behind to creep everywhere and lube everything but you can give it another spray and wipe over if needed. Regular wiping over means the grunge never builds up and back wheel stays clean since there's little left to fling off. I do use a chain cleaner once or twice each year and ride about 5000km a year (and this is when I get into the front sprocket) but it's an easy job because you're cleaning a fairly clean chain. I ride in a spirited fashion and get 20-25000km out of chain and sprockets and although stretched to the max my chains still look shiny when I retire them.

@jage6126 Жыл бұрын

I tried S100 lube out of curiostity, and it was the best lube i have tried in 30 years. I ride 10% gravel roads, and wondered why my chains wore out so quickly. The reason was called: Maxima

@steve-wu7jp 4 жыл бұрын

I guess climate and temperature will be another variable. If you ride in 40c hot summer weather, im sure its not going to adhere to the chain as well. Such a tough topic this one, good on you for giving it a go.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

To a point, though the heat generated in the chain itself should exceed ambient temperature. Ultimately, as long as we can control the testing environment, and make it repeatable, it should giv a fair comparison.

@lazaros23 4 жыл бұрын

Hey, one question please. That blue plastic that is on the spray can, how is it called?

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

That's called the 'Clean Bob' - it's made by SDoc to fit its lubes. It is really handy - usually I use a piece of wood or card behind the chain.

@fivespeed3026 4 жыл бұрын

I have a chain tool so replacing a chain is not really a big deal. I don’t maintain my chain very often.

@MouldyPIX 4 жыл бұрын

Any idea when the follow up “test video” is going to be published?

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

It's going to be a while - I have most of the chain lubes and the materials, but now it's finding the time to start it! It's coming though... John

@buckegit 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have the link to the motorbike cleaning product tests you did? I can't seem to find it. I'm. Worried about products I use on my car effecting the metal parts on my bike

@bennettsbikesocial 3 жыл бұрын

It'll be back up online today - sorry about that! It'll be a new link, but if you're subscribed you should be able to get a notification. Polycarbonate is something you really want to be aware of with any non-motorcycle-specific cleaner (and some that are designed for it). Cheers, John

@InSanCen 4 жыл бұрын

Lube with used 10W40 (free), clean with Actioncan's BC90 (£4 500ml at Toolstation). Takes maybe a minute or two, twice a week.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Have put them on the list...

@Shahar_C 4 жыл бұрын

I'm using 80W90 gear oil for years. thin layer with brush every ~800km (maybe ~400km in wet conditions). Its very cheap and it works great. (*by the way it is what REGINA chain recommends on their chain maintenance manual. you can yourself on their site.) For me, It doesn't make ANY SENSE to spend extra money on chain maintenance on chain spray lube and cleaners. Chains are relatively cheap and easy to replace anyway, don't take it so seriously. IT IS JUST A FRICKING CHAIN.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

80W90 is on the list...

@tonykartracer8032 4 жыл бұрын

A freakin' chain that can fail while you're going 80+ MPH on the freeway and now you're relegated to sippin' Big Mac's through a straw all because you don't see it as a big deal to maintain.

@Shahar_C 4 жыл бұрын

@@tonykartracer8032 I didn't say that chains shouldn't be maintained. I just say that you don't need to spend money in order to do so. It doesn't make sense to spend so much time and money on a cheap chain.

@radiocrash 3 жыл бұрын

Is doesn’t matter if x link chains trap grease in rings. If the surfaced the chain becomes rusty the surfaces will wear down the o or x rings allowing the grease to be washed away.

@bennettsbikesocial 3 жыл бұрын

That corrosion protection is a key part of the huge test I'm working on at the moment. Cheers, John

@steve-wu7jp 4 жыл бұрын

How long will you let the chain lube set up? I usually do so overnight but sometimes we dont have time.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

It'll be overnight - everything will be done as per the manufacturer's guidelines, but I will have a look at seeing what difference it makes if you can't wait. John

@pajownik 3 жыл бұрын

Since I bought a bike with Scottoiler on, I never looked back. Saves you time AND money. And it isn't that messy if you adjust the flow right.

@srhintz 4 жыл бұрын

I like the belt so much on my HD. No mess, lighter than a shaft, simple. I would think they could make one for any application by now. Though I guess the front sprocket size is an issue.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

It's also maintenance - you have to drop the swing-arm out to replace it.

@douglasalexander4348 3 жыл бұрын

@@bennettsbikesocial My Harley is 19 years old and on original belt. Pretty low maintenance for a heavy bike. Swing arm is as easy as removing a wheel.

@raydavison2972 4 жыл бұрын

Chain alignment or wheel alignment, which is more important? They are not the same and both are important and will be the same if the frame, swinging arm and engine mounts are all perfectly aligned but they never will be even from the factory.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

Good question, and that's why keeping the O-rings well lubricated is important; personally, I'd align by the wheels (I use two straight-edges when I want it bang-on). John

@Quazi1966 4 жыл бұрын

I use a gear oil first, then cover it with Wurth Chain lube, works for me, I'll not need to change it.

@eskertoo 3 жыл бұрын

I have been using WD40 spray to clean the chains on my Street Triple and Speed Triple for over a year now.Spray on and wipe off.After every ride of over 50 miles.The chains are still looking very clean.Each bike has covered about 5000 miles.There is never any grit on the chains because there is no lube for it to stick to.Still not showing any obvious signs of wear.And when I spin the back wheel with the bike on the Abba stand it has that nice smooth buzz sound.This This cleaning method was advocated by Neevesy from MCN so I gave it a go.Takes about 5 minutes.

@randombanditdad3754 4 жыл бұрын

D.i.d recomend warm soapy water to clean and sae 80 90 oil says so on the box

@Uninfluenceable 4 жыл бұрын

I have a giant box full of chain lubes that i have tried and hated. I finally settled on the BelRay SuperClean. In my opinion it's got the best mix of tackiness and lubricity. Also it sprays on clear but dries on white, so that you know when your chain is no longer white it;s time to clean and reapply.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

Cheers - it's on the list

@bacbladerunner 5 ай бұрын

I would very much like to hear others' opinions on my controversial belief. I have had a theory for 50 years. I think a never-cleaned and never lubricated chain and sprockets may last just as long as those that are serviced. At least in the Bay Area of CA, where I live, where we have no road salt and mild conditions. Modern chains are greased internally behind rubber O-rings. As for the outside of the chain, I wonder if lubing it just attracts more grit and turns it into sandpaper? So, I am finally running an experiment. I put a new DID chain on my KTM 390 Adventure and am riding it with no maintenance whatsoever. So far, I have 4,000 miles on it, 50%/50% on/off road in CA, NM, AZ, and UT. So far, everything looks fine. If I can get 10,000+ miles without ever looking at it, and without carrying supplies, and with having no mess, I am more than happy and feel I am way ahead.

@nomad_lad 4 жыл бұрын

So are the brushes that we use to clean chains actually potentially harmful?? If the bristles of the brush were to penetrate the o-rings... surely they are more of a threat?

@richardbrown9344 Ай бұрын

How do you lube your chain if you dont have one of those rear wheel stands please?

@bennettsbikesocial Ай бұрын

Either with a roller that goes under the rear wheel, or with a stand to jack the rear wheel up, or a paddock stand, or a friend helping

@user-jc3rv5st3m 4 жыл бұрын

Just wandering how you guys apply the gear oil to chain and the sprocket?

@dianahardy7916 4 жыл бұрын

I just get a rag damp with gear oil and wipe it on the inside of the chain.

@philhart3878 Жыл бұрын

Nicely covered as far as it goes but….. no one seems to mention the wear that must be caused by the mix of road grime and sticky lubricant on the rollers, effectively making a grinding paste between the roller and sprocket.

@bennettsbikesocial Жыл бұрын

Here's the full feature: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/motorcycle-maintenance-and-servicing/best-motorcycle-chain-lube

@darkknight1340 4 жыл бұрын

Caution should be used with certain lubricants such as mineral based oils which can degrade the elastomers (o and x rings).

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

When I can finally get started on this, I will be testing the products for safety with O-rings. Cheers, John

@gregstiles 3 жыл бұрын

friction and metal: the wear protection with your O rings at speed is a small hand with perpetual middle finger extended.

@thra5herxb12s Жыл бұрын

Different lubes for different chains. O ring chains have the lube sealed inside, but the sprockets and rollers still need some lube to keep them quite and smooth and the O rings also need to be kept moist. Too much wet spray lube will allow the chain to pick up grit and turn to grinding paste pretty quickly causing wear of those parts. A light dry lube is fine for most O ring chains and wont hang on the the crud that makes it go black and sticky. A standard non sealed chain often found on older bikes needs a lube that will penetrate into the rollers and bushes, but will pick up crud which can get inside causing stretch and worn sprockets and wear quicker than a sealed type of chain. Little and often is the rule for wet lube and wipe off excess to stop it flinging all over the tyre.

@bennettsbikesocial Жыл бұрын

Have you seen this yet? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNWjm81-mqmokac.html

@johnbarker9448 3 жыл бұрын

What about chain oilers? Be interesting to see the different results.

@stevenkelby2169 3 жыл бұрын

Scottoiler is the only intelligent answer!

@sabre2x135 4 жыл бұрын

A scotoiler filled with any old crap oil from WalMart works great for me. Got over 30000 miles out my last chain

@assortedpov9722 4 жыл бұрын

What about chain cleaners though (I don't think Ryan F9's chain cleaner experiment was sufficiently scientific - what's the likelihood that balloons have exactly the same chemical composition as chain seals)? I think using Motul chain cleaner might have caused me some problems but can't be sure of what's caused one of my o-rings to split. After watching this it could also be that my alignment is very marginally 'off', or it could be something else entirely.

@bennettsbikesocial 4 жыл бұрын

I'm building the chain cleaners test at the moment; it will be a way off, but it'll look at O-ring compatibility (as well as the plastics used on chain guards). Cheers, John

@davidhardstaff8110 4 жыл бұрын

I've been riding for over 40 years, always used paraffin to clean, always got good chain life.

@herbycarlos6794 4 жыл бұрын

@@bennettsbikesocial I would be curious to this as well since RyanF9 tested that Parrafin (Kerosene for the U.S.) would creep through the o-rings and essentially wash out the grease, but it is generally the most recommended chain cleaner from bike manufactures in the owners manual.