TIMESTAMPS: 00:01:19 Opening Statement: Green 00:07:55 Opening Statement: Pomp 00:13:07 Nefarious Activity and Transparency 00:23:26 Who Controls Bitcoin? Should It Be Banned? 00:35:23 Are There Benefits of Bitcoin to the US? 00:46:30 Exposure to Bitcoin in an Unpredictable Future 00:52:19 Can Bitcoin Be Successfully Attacked? 00:59:41 Is Wide Spread Adoption Likely? 01:11:44 Final Thoughts 🔥 𝗚𝗘𝗧 𝟳 𝗗𝗔𝗬𝗦 of Real Vision Premium access & insights for only $𝟭 (seriously!) rvtv.io/RVfor1dollar
@abc-hi6df3 жыл бұрын
Mike has a strong bias, but weak analytical abilities.
@Guywithafork3 жыл бұрын
Someone mentioned Andreas antanopolis , he would have eaten Mike for breakfast pomp is great but he is more about the asset where as bitcoin and the Genesis block is a direct attack on the banks and we all support it that is why we are investing and getting those around us to do the same .... the current global currency’s are debt based !?!? And can’t get out of that debt ..?? For many reasons Bitcoin is here and we will do all we can to keep it here . Pomp was silly to ignore the Genesis block and why it was created , honesty is needed . This is for our freedom 🔱 the banks and their friends have had many hundreds of years of dominance and war .... this is the last war ! Bitcoin is a fork for society and it’s been decided to be implemented ✌️💚☯️🔱🤿 viva la revolution
@globi1663 жыл бұрын
Shame Pomp didn't answer why China is blocking free Internet for its citizens but in not blocking BTC.
@globi1663 жыл бұрын
@Andre Anyone wow it's like we both watched different podcast.
@stevenmartin62713 жыл бұрын
it wasnt a guide
@RobSoltan3 жыл бұрын
I vote this moderator for all future political debates in addition to financial ones. Fantastic work.
@aljosanovak35393 жыл бұрын
Both participants were respectful, didnt interupt each other even doe they disagree. Moderator was not even needed.
@danew60143 жыл бұрын
@@aljosanovak3539 I would guess the participants behavior would’ve been different without the presence of a moderator
@ErinLAnderson3 жыл бұрын
100%
@billyduff64913 жыл бұрын
Notice the type of companies buying Bitcon with their cash versus those buying up their own stock. So we should all sell our stocks and hand over our cash to someone who is selling us their Bitcon? Why are they selling?
@frontview13 жыл бұрын
Rob Solton, I watch your channel all the time bro. Keep it up!
@palettes3 жыл бұрын
This dude was a fantastic moderator.
@austinshaf7993 жыл бұрын
Yeah he was great
@testarchitect3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Am very much impressed as well. Wish we would have similar characters in mainstream media.
@johnstrackjoke22043 жыл бұрын
100% agreed. And so was Pomp...
@sticksandstones32773 жыл бұрын
Few debates were I come away respecting all parties involved, high quality thinking
@kryptoskaos62143 жыл бұрын
Astute way of keeping the debaters from losing face and showing higher ground...excellent.
@garfunky23 жыл бұрын
What this had made me do is to look up more of Mike Green's opinion. I love listening to smart articulate people who are against bitcoin. Too many vids on youtube are simply in an echo chamber. It is important to listen to the other side
@MrRschneider77892 жыл бұрын
Except he was lying through his teeth.
@abrahameldho36882 жыл бұрын
In a system where only the wealthy can grow is an absolute non sense. In this system an engineer (myself) need to be a real estate agent or a trader and invest so that my savings don't loose value. It's might be easy for a person like me. But for a person who earns daily wage to eat daily to keep up with their daily spending cannot be expected to do this.
@cryptopotimus3 жыл бұрын
"I don't see China shutting down miners..." Lol that aged well.
@LukeTeel3 жыл бұрын
Time hack your quotes man.
@josephbyrne78643 жыл бұрын
That did not age well bro🤣 I laughed out loud at 42min 36sec. I think both are right, bitcoin will never be the world currency however, at the end of consumer capitalism and the ensued subscription based economic system will ensure that deflationary assets will be out of reach for those can't afford to be financially independent!
@Stentz13 жыл бұрын
Ha Ha. These guys will buy Bitcoin at 250000.
@tmo27982 жыл бұрын
@@Stentz1 250 000 yuan, MAYBE. Bitcoin is an obvious scam.
@Maxi86inAction2 жыл бұрын
They did it because they have a power crisis, not because they don't like bitcoin.
@jayborn9223 жыл бұрын
It is refreshing to hear people of different opinions have an actual conversation and bring solid points to the table... such a rare thing today.
@50kT3 жыл бұрын
No you're wrong, that's racist. .
@Architectessentials3 жыл бұрын
@@50kT LOL
@jonathanperez83863 жыл бұрын
😂
@GoodFellaHarn3 жыл бұрын
@@50kT Lol
@ErinLAnderson3 жыл бұрын
👏 👏 👏
@leahcim9673 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a Michael Saylor and Mike Green debate.
@philippe81603 жыл бұрын
@Andre Anyone I would say Green is a payed propaganda tool. Question: What is your view on Bitcoin? Answer Green: It is an evil tool used by Iran, Russia and China to sell drugs to American babies and stop us from bombing countries to keep the MIC going.
@robhumes23 жыл бұрын
Mike ate this guy up with objective data that I would have loved to hear refuted, instead of defensive soundbites. I hope Anthony is right because I have a lot to lose, but he's too emotionally fragile to defend. Get Saylor!
@kyler5653 жыл бұрын
I would like to see Michael Saylor vs Noriel Rubini
@damienwins61853 жыл бұрын
NO,,, too many analogies for me to handle....
@mannysykes3 жыл бұрын
It’s be a blood bath, poor mike.
@Cicatka.Michal3 жыл бұрын
I must say I love the fact, that they actually let the counterpart SPEAK. They take notes and then react in a civil manner. I would love to see this in the politics debate so much! Kudos for all of them!
@bradleyperryperry50722 жыл бұрын
We work for years only to have $1 million while some people I know put thousand of dollars in some meme coins and they are millionaires.
@allanavalos49472 жыл бұрын
After watching several videos on KZfaq tutorial about trade I'm still making losses
@jameskourygabriel49732 жыл бұрын
Growing in trade requires dedication time and Patience
@jameskourygabriel49732 жыл бұрын
I have been holding for a while now, the market dynamism is really getting me uncomfortable here, I really need help deciding
@uzonduikechukwu12262 жыл бұрын
James koury...Take my advice (Don't Trade) buy or hold for years then get retired. You don't want all the stress and crazyness involved in trading. Don't believe the is formula.
@uzonduikechukwu12262 жыл бұрын
Get yourself a mentor or a guide
@vvolfflovv3 жыл бұрын
Imagine presidential debates were as civilized as this by even a fraction?
@nichole27573 жыл бұрын
Imagine one where at least one of the candidates wasn’t a narcissistic sociopath lol
@vvolfflovv3 жыл бұрын
@TrollMaster Fictitious Fables of Europa oh hey man :)
@WilliamSchlott3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Green looked bored even.
@robryan7513 жыл бұрын
Yea, but there was a ton of "shade" being thrown. They just sounded civil. lol
@web2yt4883 жыл бұрын
Imagine if we had unbiased media period.
@zans36583 жыл бұрын
Fantastic debate. Enjoyed the passions of both guests. Less personal attacks would have been more civilised.
@spenser63533 жыл бұрын
Pomp schooled him
@OldManNutcakez3 жыл бұрын
Bitcoin maxis tend to be very emotional, hence the ad hominem attacks arent surprising.
@newmoney29943 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, for tips, support and guidance on stocks, cryptocurrency and assets
@koumouts3 жыл бұрын
Pomp is a turnoff...
@nishensemble3 жыл бұрын
@@OldManNutcakez And yet it amusingly all started with a money manager - who is asserting understanding of technology if only to impeach it - claiming someone else (who worked at a technology firm for years) isn't a technologist is the classic ad hominem. Nocoiners tend to become emotional when they're busy implicitly shorting one of the greatest technologies ever created.
@yazanabdoush70303 жыл бұрын
Can't argue with the fact that Mike is really articulate.
@cryptorio15703 жыл бұрын
That's about it.
@ComstockRoyalty3 жыл бұрын
Understatement. This is a policy matter and not a money making opportunity. Anonymous outsourcing of finance and banking? What could go wrong??
@marktube57323 жыл бұрын
His ideas and way of looking at things are a bit weird.
@Nico-zw9ud3 жыл бұрын
@@marktube5732 At least he's not as bluepilled a Pomp
@Drizzly_Bear3 жыл бұрын
My favorite articulation of Anthony’s: “Mike likes to use sleight of hand and insults when he’s backed into a corner. I’m not like Mike and I’m not going to do that. And I DO know technology and how it works, because I was once employed by a tech company.” My ex-girlfriend used to work for JetBlue as an IT manager. She didn’t know a thing about jet engines. I once worked for an architectural firm. I was the janitor. Would you like me to design your next house?
@frankymacf3 жыл бұрын
Pomp is HODLing so hard he won’t even buy himself a decent internet connection and audio set up
@kylehustead59303 жыл бұрын
Lol
@MrColeBeans3 жыл бұрын
🤣 give him a break he just moved to Miami I think
@miha4243 жыл бұрын
The hodling is the actual problem with crypto. If there is no trading in long and shorts, bitcoin will experince the same thing that happened to gamestop. Lots of bagholders and they are not going to be the ones who know how markets work. Not everybody can just hodl, what happens when theres no new suckers coming in anymore? A stock needs buying to go up, but it can fall on its own.
@zitoschouten50683 жыл бұрын
Hahahahah
@micro-emprendimientos.16423 жыл бұрын
So freaking annoying.
@williamnyakatura96703 жыл бұрын
Thank you Pomp and Mike. The moderator was excellent. The argument was educative. Thank u Real Vision ....
@KiwiMC993 жыл бұрын
Great to see adults discuss BIG issues in a calm manner. Well done Mike and Pomp, oh and Ash for keeping it all cool and useful.
@TheBanterCity3 жыл бұрын
Timestamp Summary 01:25 - Background & Opening 7:00 - BTC is Anti-USD? 12:30 - Should we ban BTC? 17:10 - is BTC China controlled? 23:00 - Mike rebuttals 52:00 - 51% Attack on BTC 59:00 - 1% exposure vs CBDC/Gold 01:05:00 - BTC is Monopoly game Some timestamps got deleted while editing, sorry.
@skym3993 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@AJFADEYI3 жыл бұрын
Mike: War is not an economic interest. Military Industrial Complex: Am I a joke to you?
@ryanharriss79503 жыл бұрын
Military industrial complex, probably the single most pertinent factor influencing countries to forsake ethics and morality in favour of economic gain...
@Garpovic3 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing...If you've been a professional investor for over 30 years like Mike has, and putting out such an obviously false claim, that makes me take the rest of his assertions with a proper grain of salt.
@XDarkKalealX3 жыл бұрын
I don't think he is talking about the war you are thinking of. Probably more of currency war.
@hell_pike91503 жыл бұрын
Am I wrong or isn't literally every single war centered around economic needs
@jsalva013 жыл бұрын
You’re confusing economic and strategic
@jackw.39783 жыл бұрын
Look... every single person I know wants the central bank to stop printing money. So it's not simply about communicating our preferences. They won't stop printing. So our way to communicate is to opt out of the system!
@bcshu23 жыл бұрын
buying precious metals, buying crypto I do not necessarily believe is ultimately opting out of the system. You can't really opt out lest you completely unplug from the system. At best, crypto and precious metals and other vehicles are merely ways to guard ones wealth from the ravages of the system .... not really opting out. You can't, as of yet and it will be resisted strongly, be paid in these forms, to transact in these forms full out. Best you can do is secure your wealth, ideally, redeem it for other forms of currency in order to engage in other transactions. The day may come where one does not need to redeem these alternatives stores of value before preforming basic, standard transactions, but I do not see that day as today. If one wants to communicate their displeasure at the destruction of the dollar, one needs to communicate this with those they elect. Unless this occurs, there is no incentive otherwise to act unless the crash of the system forces action .... and in that case, chances are those elected will not correct for the original error, but will double down on poor central planning and ensure greater future pains. Politicians are responsive to pressure. We see this in Covid. With a recall petition with over 2 million votes, all of a sudden the Governor of California is beginning to 'see' the science which now warrants changes in executive orders. It is funny how science all of a sudden seems to present itself that certain restrictions by government mandate are no longer necessary when the populace applies pressure. Don't wait for the 'right' people to populate the positions which impact us ..... make the system preform no matter who is in those positions.
@tilus753 жыл бұрын
They can`t stop printing now. The system will fail and fall immediately.
@cryptojosef40353 жыл бұрын
So true! Halleluja!
@ryderbrooks17833 жыл бұрын
I promise you they don’t actually want what they’re asking for. It would be a bloodbath
@withoutwroeirs3 жыл бұрын
Pomp attacks Mike rather than his arguments. That is a shame. Mike made some solid points which would benefit us all to explore rather than ignore.
@MB-hi2ef3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely right, Pomp made it personal- big disappointment--
@anthonycarrillo163 жыл бұрын
Exactly, “I lIkE tO ExPlIn ThInGs tO PeOpLe lIkE ThEyRe 3Rd GrAdErS” Pomp simply believes that Bitcoin is the ONLY crypto currency out there, why are there no discussions about Alts being superior to bitcoin? Bitcoin played a role to introduce us to Crypto and have these conversations about future of finance, but it is definitely not superior to other projects. First bitcoin is going to uproot evil banking system, now bitcoin is going to moon because banks and politicians own it.
@eddyfreddy42773 жыл бұрын
@@anthonycarrillo16 Bitcoin does have all the problems mike pointed out but plenty of alts don't and have inherent value to the world everyone can see.
@rustyfoot73 жыл бұрын
@@anthonycarrillo16 Bitcoin is the only decentralized non-fiat crypto there is...that's why it's superior to alt coins which are all centralized to some degree. Bitcoin has value for its fundamental attributes...not what Mr. Market says the price is in terms of fiat dollars.
@mariai95493 жыл бұрын
agree. might Mike know someone at NSA?
@BlergleslinkVettermoo3 жыл бұрын
Although this debate is indeed civilized and well-moderated, I must say that Pompliano is not really engaging Mike Green's specific arguments. Instead, he is destroying a strawman of his own making.
@gregoryorr85183 жыл бұрын
BITCOIN IS THE ONLY TRUE DEMOCRACY EVER EXISTS IN THE WORLD
@gregoryorr85183 жыл бұрын
Mrs clara
@thousandaireradio31993 жыл бұрын
Wow you really get it
@ilevakam3163 жыл бұрын
This is basically every BTC supporter
@jayhilton54293 жыл бұрын
Incorrect. He is saying that despite ANY argument against bitcoin, the answer is not to ban bitcoin and leaving america behind... There are plenty of micro arguments, but only one true argument is debatable. Do we embrace this technology, or get left behind?
@GForceimpact3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding discussion... Extremely well moderated. I'm a Bitcoin investor and 35 year trader. Mike Green's perspective is powerful and necessary. Great job to all three participants!
@kiwi1234673 жыл бұрын
Got zil port happy with passive income
@GDKLockout3 жыл бұрын
I tend to think of the US gov as the enemy, so even if mike is right, im a moonboy.
@jaredstevens53822 жыл бұрын
I feel like such a fish out of water anytime either of them speaks I get persuaded to their position
@goranmilic4422 жыл бұрын
If set of all investors pays certain fee to miners, doesn't that mean investors (in total) will always be in loss? How can investors gain their money back that they lost to miners' fee, other than from other investors?
@reecebygrave72112 жыл бұрын
@@goranmilic442 are you talking in the context of 'investors' being people that hold btc directly?
@guts21123 жыл бұрын
Most of my assets are in crypto but I don’t like how Pomp was being so accusatory and sensational in this debate. He put a lot of words in Mike’s mouth.
@mariai95493 жыл бұрын
yep. I heard the same.
@macrostheblack24863 жыл бұрын
I heard the same. I wouldn't trust Pomp to hold 1 cent of mine.
@somethingginterestingg42753 жыл бұрын
He's very easily triggered by people who don't agree with him. But as I watched more, the other guy was pretty patronizing. So I can't blame him
@cykablyat14663 жыл бұрын
Pomp comes out as a generic story investor who has his entire portfolio in bitcoin and "save the world" kind of investments and gets triggered with people who don't share his same views. Mike on the other hand is just China/Russia/Iran fear mongering.
@themountain34612 жыл бұрын
Mike "I wouldn't trust Michael Saylor but I trust regulators" Green. Smart guy, but hopelessly cynical. Stockholm Syndrome at its finest
@Hugh2133 жыл бұрын
It’s a rare debate that all three participants are well informed, civil, and have respect for one another. I have shared with everyone I know who are bitcoin and/or gold investors.
@mickeydrago94013 жыл бұрын
No actually Mike is misinformed and I think just making up data
@mcd57783 жыл бұрын
@@mickeydrago9401 what data?
@gdolven3 жыл бұрын
aaaaah, I don't know what you were watching. Pomp acted like a child
@Diabolical30103 жыл бұрын
@@quantum_ocean Pomp could not answer the 7 billion dollar question as well
@ilevakam3163 жыл бұрын
Mike did a great job, but Pomp did a horrible job. Sounds like he never heard of or thought about the issues raised by Mike. The BTC community is completely filled with people like Pomp. The arguments have changed so much for BTC "Money -> Currency -> Digital Gold -> Store of Value" and now its a "protocol." The psychology of this market is too reminiscent of a bubble to be investable, but its certainly fun to watch.
@Real_KCHL3 жыл бұрын
This debate is gold, textbook example of how a mature conversation should be.
@Nico-zw9ud3 жыл бұрын
I thought Pomp was kind of childish
@dualfluidreactor3 жыл бұрын
Except Pomp evading marks argument and personally attacking him
@petermatthews28313 жыл бұрын
@@dualfluidreactor His basis for every reply was "Well people are buying it!"
@austinhamilton94443 жыл бұрын
Lol mature? Hardly. When you personally bash people in your statements, I wouldn't consider that mature. Saying Micheal Saylor is not someone to accept life advice from because he's invested in Bitcoin is absurd. Especially since Micheal is extremely intellectually inclined.
@tiffanymay5262 жыл бұрын
I would say this debate is Bitcoin 😊
@hannahforex092 жыл бұрын
The secret of your future is hidden in your daily routine. Successful people do daily what the unsuccessful only do occasionally
@hannahforex092 жыл бұрын
Successful people don't become that way overnight. What most people see at a glance-wealth, a great career, purpose - is the result of hard work and hustle over time
@hannahforex092 жыл бұрын
The amount of time you spend believing we can't is more than enough time to learn how you can
@selimkurtoglu64182 жыл бұрын
@@hannahforex09 yeah! I agree with you
@selimkurtoglu64182 жыл бұрын
People come here with the aim of chasing money more than knowledge and that will damage your progress, trust me. Chase knowledge first and I promise! The money will follow you just like it's following some of us now
@patrickcollins59022 жыл бұрын
@@selimkurtoglu6418 that's very correct sir!! And that is why most of them end up losing they money to scammers
@robertdiggins75783 жыл бұрын
We already outsource our monetary system using the"Federal" Reserve.
@mattb66463 жыл бұрын
Self appointed and uncontrolled by countries, Greenspan said it himself, there is no authority to which they report to
@KiwiMC993 жыл бұрын
A (very) private corporation since 1913. Could that happen today?
@Stewiehleba3 жыл бұрын
The Fed is created by, accountable to, and under the purview of Congress.
@mattb66463 жыл бұрын
@@Stewiehleba yeah its so accountable that its never been audited and rejects attempts to do so. Not sure where you get your info but it doesn't check with reality
@robertdiggins75783 жыл бұрын
@@Stewiehleba No, they aren't. Alan Greenspan stated that publicly and you can look it up on KZfaq. Our government gets to pick the chairman and that's it. It's an unregulated private body and any other influence is feigned. The only thing that Congress could do, to r"egulate" the Fed, is to decide not to use them, completely, by deciding to use our Treasury to print our own money, which was the original intent. We could create our own money, but chose to borrow it, at interest, from a group of private banks.
@MrLazyleader3 жыл бұрын
Pomp has such a childish way of arguing. Too much mud slinging, too few arguments.
@nathanielbowers80993 жыл бұрын
No actual answers you ever notice how a question is answered with speculative theory?
@wooskie293 жыл бұрын
That's because he can't argue the points.
@johnlocke96093 жыл бұрын
In fact I was surprised about that, he didn't mentioned how many billions are needed to reverse the network.
@gdolven3 жыл бұрын
amen
@Elpirado1003 жыл бұрын
He s a buttcoin shill
@gdolven3 жыл бұрын
Mike is a legend. Last 20min insane
@wcoyle083 жыл бұрын
conversation between adults is nice compared to the usual arguement
@elbib733 жыл бұрын
Mike Green did great composing himself....with all of Pomp’s insults.
@JorgePerez-ui2qp3 жыл бұрын
to be fair, they both insult each other.
@DanielNavetta13 жыл бұрын
@@JorgePerez-ui2qp Sure, but it definitely seemed that Pomp went after Green more than the other direction.
@MarkMarxonsBassChannel2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I couldn’t take Pomp seriously with all the unnecessary childish, passive aggressive digs.
@ashtagbeats2 жыл бұрын
I understand no one was yelling over each other or whatever, but people seriously take this guy seriously at all?
@4183Johnny3 жыл бұрын
I expected a lot more out of this to be honest. I am a big Pomp fan but he failed to address on merit many of the "facts" brought up by Mike. Instead he kept on talking about his vision for bitcoin or repeatedly stating how misinformed Mike's vision was, without really stating why.
@ivanai66223 жыл бұрын
I'm not that surprised. Pomp is a smart guy but still pretty young and def part-PUMP.
@businesspartners6193 жыл бұрын
He had to dumb it down for Mike.
@sebastiandaniel10993 жыл бұрын
I thought he did a great job discrediting mikes ideas. Pomp offered facts mike offered only his opinion
@themomentalist3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you acknowledged how bad at debating that Pomp guy was. All he did was claimed the other guy was saying things that he never said and then swerved every question put to him. His smug arrogance was very off-putting, as well.
@forresthopkinsa3 жыл бұрын
@@businesspartners619 Dumb it down for Mike? Mike offered sophisticated technical criticisms of the Bitcoin blockchain, and Pomp couldn't even respond to it, with the excuse of "making the debate understandable to a 5 year old". what??
@akivaragen3 жыл бұрын
Mike is very intelligent. Pomp is just pumping insults. We need a better voice For crypto than that.
@kennethgarrison5212 жыл бұрын
I don't know about competing debates for Best Ever, but I don't think this one would even be a nominee. Whoever in a debate that calls the opponent's opinions "absurd" the most is the LOSER!
@SOAP10003 жыл бұрын
Crypto holder and ill say Mike made some very persuasive arguments.
@bgbusiness_3 жыл бұрын
Same. I think he was pretty logical and I did agree some certain parts of his viewpoints although I am bitcoin believer.
@Tenebrousable3 жыл бұрын
@@bgbusiness_ Only if you believe that USA government has the right to starve and punish Iranian and NK people by denying them access to international finance and markets. National sieges only reward and solidify those regimes. 70 years of practice stands as absolute proof. There is no reasonable debate left about the matter. The results are in. Get with the program. Logic stands on initial assumptions that the logic can not prove. Internally consistent logical construction is easy to make. Are his assumption correct? He starts from "USA has the right to siege foreign nations." No. That mos def is not correct.
@maxflight7773 жыл бұрын
Soap... yes , I felt the same.
@bahmak20033 жыл бұрын
@soap which argument? Care to explain?😂😂😂
@MassacrisM3 жыл бұрын
Yep. He just brings up the usual concerns with crypto. All the other guy does is attacking the person instead of the arguments while making none but speculative claims. Comes off more of a crazed cultist.
@mattz57473 жыл бұрын
Pomp has a lot of skin in the game. He doesn’t address many of mike’s points head-on. Bitcoin, at this point, is all about risk management and pomp’s views tend to ignore risk management in general.
@MrReconjon3 жыл бұрын
He actually specifically addresses this a few different times in other podcasts. His reasoning is that he's young and capable of recovering even if this bet goes to zero. Can't fault his logic there.
@G8tr15223 жыл бұрын
pretty much how i felt about the debate. Pomp seemed very emotional. We cannot discount the possibility that the US govt will ban bitcoin transactions. It is definitely on the table. Pomp kept saying that Mike was advocating for banning it, when he clearly isn't, especially if you've listened to his other interviews. At the same time, i don't see a world where crypto completely disappears. We need to be ready for when the revolution happens. It is coming.
@varunsahlot3 жыл бұрын
@@MrReconjon having 80% in one asset is a bias and affects anything u say. So shuld public take him seriously, I don't think so. He is gambling bcoz he is young and not investing.
@MrReconjon3 жыл бұрын
@@varunsahlot I absolutely agree that anyone in any situation should be taken with a grain of salt especially if there is clear incentive for their behavior. That being said making a highly concentrated allocation also shows a high level of conviction at least for the short term from someone closer to the industry than ourselves. Words and actions. Take it all for what you will and make your own choices accordingly. If I were to tell you that I'm 80 percent commodities and producers, 5 percent growth and 15 percent cash would that make me un credible? Or would it just show you how serious I am when I say I'm confident that the system is very shaky and I believe that they are going to inflate or bust. I'd argue that me saying that would be taken more seriously than me being in a 60/40 and saying the same thing.
@razadaza96513 жыл бұрын
@@G8tr1522 the US govt cannot and will not ban bitcoin... it has far too much risk as a democratic republic and reputational risk if they had to do it, they should have tried it (and then eventually have to rescind it) years ago..
@GolfRalle3 жыл бұрын
Anthony sure did a great job of explaining it to three-year-olds. The rest of us would love to see less scorning laughs and more heavily grounded arguments from Anthony. Great debate, great performance from both although Mike is the clear winner in my opinion, even though I would love to see Anthony prevail here
@EeccmanNL3 жыл бұрын
The laughs made me catious of him
@zombitroid843 жыл бұрын
Word!
@SteveHolmlund3 жыл бұрын
Early on, he ignored the moderator’s request to explain for laymen what Mike meant by an “empty block” attack, nor did he refute the possibility. I thought a lot of Pomp’s responses were non sequiturs.
@allaboutmusicmovies96063 жыл бұрын
@@SteveHolmlund He just didnt had any arguments
@alashhar3 жыл бұрын
Mike was more confident, and his explanations make sense to me!
@StromkirkCurse3 жыл бұрын
Actually not a clickbait title. Both Anthony and Mike are really articulate and calmly discuss their point of views and the moderator actually knows how to moderate properly. Didn´t expect to see such a simple yet brilliant discussion here on youtube, thanks for the upload.
@robs25793 жыл бұрын
The debate was moderated professionally yes, but pomp was absolutely terrible at defending himself, insulting Mike emotionally and could not remain levelheaded either.
@ChintanCG3 жыл бұрын
The best debate I've seen in recent times.. Will be great to come back to this in 2030
@cryptorio15703 жыл бұрын
Lol! Come back in 5 to 10 years tops. Crypto and bitcoin are NOT going away.
@JamieBordbar3 жыл бұрын
That is the only way to settle the argument !
@tmo27982 жыл бұрын
@@cryptorio1570 Right now, Bitcoin is a textbook Ponzi scheme: It has no intrinsic value. You can’t eat it, wear it, or heat your house with it. ... It is not a productive asset. It’s not a factory that produces an item. ... It has zero underlying value. None. ... It has minimal utility. ... Its value is solely derived from the trust that the price will continue to rise indefinitely. ...
@yancur2 жыл бұрын
@@tmo2798 Right now, Gold is a textbook Ponzi scheme: It has no intrinsic value. You can’t eat it, wear it, or heat your house with it. ... It is not a productive asset. It’s not a factory that produces an item. ... It has zero underlying value. None. ... It has minimal utility. ... Its value is solely derived from the trust that the price will continue to rise indefinitely. ...
@jazes84232 жыл бұрын
I would like to have a more intellectual no coiner instead of this Mike guy.
@InvestGlobal3 жыл бұрын
We need more thoughtful conversations like this where both sides can clearly articulate their perspective while not interrupting each other. Well done!
@simonmasson-dupras39463 жыл бұрын
yeah i love it when people who are arguing against eachother sre lisening
@vangelism75913 жыл бұрын
Mike talks specifics, tries to debate with logic and raises very logical concerns. Pomp is trying to attack the other person and says nothing of essence , just going around cycles being obviously defensive with no grace and sounds like a member of a sect.
@arimichael24993 жыл бұрын
HONESTLY THE REAL SUPERSTAR OF THIS DEBATE IS THE MODERATOR. FLAWLESS MODERATION. NO CAP.
@jays73183 жыл бұрын
Mike Green is so emotionally uninvolved in this debate. Amazing resilience
@kealgu3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. To me, once you start attacking your opponent, you have lost...
@HS-nf7tf3 жыл бұрын
In all my years of watching him on Real Vision this is completely standard behaviour from him. He's naturally just very stoic.
@jsalazar920923 жыл бұрын
@@kealgu Mike did attack pomp several times, he just did it with a poker face
@Lex_Fur3 жыл бұрын
i was looking for a comment like this lol
@SM-sb4tr3 жыл бұрын
lol this guy Pomp. The fact that you worked as a Product Manager for 1 year in Facebook does not make you a technical figure. To prove that you did not debate the argument mentioning the node attacks, which I found very interesting
@zombitroid843 жыл бұрын
I hold bitcoin. Mike won. Sure Pomp had all the one liners, but they don’t disprove what Mike is saying. You can read about precisely the evidence Mike Is bringing up. Pomp used logical fallacies to argue against Mike which isn’t very respectable and doesn’t really help me place faith in Pomp’s arguments. Mike was more prepared and had way more evidence and information on the subject than Pomp did. Mike has clearly researched it more. If Pomp had actually debunked Mikes arguments, and responded [directly] (emphasis on the directly) to them, I’d be more in agreement with Pomp. But Pomp didn’t (or couldn’t)
@thephuntastics29202 жыл бұрын
Mikes preparation screamed scripted lines given to him. Numerous times He didnt even Listen to Pomp and just rambled His Blabla
@nohumbug86363 жыл бұрын
Let’s talk about the cash that got dumped into the Iraq war and promptly disappeared and the trillions sent to central banks in 2008.
@mickeydrago94013 жыл бұрын
The Genesis block of the Bitcoin Network by Satoshi is now a historical marker of 2008 and the failure you mention...
@mickeydrago94013 жыл бұрын
"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks", That's what Satoshi said on that Genesis block of the Bitcoin network, Not sure he imagined the second far larger wave of quantitative easing in this last year!
@jedicouncilelonmusk3 жыл бұрын
Your section of opinion with 2 replies was wisdom I distasteful gained. Sadly grateful.
@hagbardc6233 жыл бұрын
I'm going to say Mr. Green is the winner here, IMO. mostly because of his unflappable nature in the face of silly, nonsensical attacks by Pomp. Also Green raises important points about cyrptos vulnerability to regulation and taxation as well as more.
@Thomasalbertini3 жыл бұрын
Despite being on Pomps side, I agree. But rather than having proven his arguements right, Mike just proved to be unmatched as intellect and knowledge. He should have debated someone more knowledgeable in the matter.
@kennethli83 жыл бұрын
Pomp kept on using theory and barely any facts.
@etishbite4563 жыл бұрын
@@kennethli8 he's a cheerleader
@beautifulheartsoothingreci283 жыл бұрын
If Pomp had been a little more respectful and a bit less emotional it would've truly been the perfect debate on this subject.
@PaulSyng3 жыл бұрын
Mike is unfazed by all the jabs. Guy is a boss!
@MrPhilofthefuture873 жыл бұрын
A boss who is going to have fun staying poor.
@Nico-zw9ud3 жыл бұрын
Mike is way smarter than Pomp. Pomp is so bluepilled it hurts.
@robs25793 жыл бұрын
Mike is richer than pump pomp
@kevinlavelle27513 жыл бұрын
Great moderating Ash!
@leofiskars3 жыл бұрын
Anthony focuses too much on putting words into Mikes mouth, makes him look weak.
@franknitty30003 жыл бұрын
Agree
@EeccmanNL3 жыл бұрын
Agree
@blackrhino443 жыл бұрын
Because he is weak.
@vildachaya64623 жыл бұрын
Lot of projecting
@TripleEightss3 жыл бұрын
yeah even though anthony is right, he just chose the wrong way to go about the debate.
@paulywalnutz58553 жыл бұрын
not sure why you think this pomp guy is the best guy to debate the merits of btc
@LukeTeel3 жыл бұрын
He explains why around 17:59.
@DocDanTheGuitarMan2 жыл бұрын
Little substance. Too much emotion and BTC idealism.
@ihungchou Жыл бұрын
I've seen both this debate and the Saylor vs Giustra debate and it was interesting to see how different and informative the two debates were. Mike is very well-spoken, very cultivated, civilized and not easily provoked, whereas Pomp was rather disrespectful and made attacks personal by employing words like ridiculous, absurd and hysterical in discrediting Mike's beliefs, and smirked rather frequently. It felt more like he was looking for an argument rather than a debate. One enlightening thing that he said however was how the stock market is actually lower than it was way before if we priced it at the value of gold. Moderator also did a great job keeping the heat at bay. Really insightful show overall.
@debraholt6493 жыл бұрын
I invested in both STOCK and CRYPTOCURRENCIES but I see crypto is doing more better and profitable to me
@debraholt6493 жыл бұрын
Bitcoin is an engineered Monetary network. The first of it's kind. A paradigm shift in the history of money. Everyone needs it. We are still early.
@paulaluis40513 жыл бұрын
Stock are crashing bitcoin investment right now will be at every wise individual's list. In a month you'll be ecstatic with the decision you made today.
@gregorywatson80533 жыл бұрын
People will be kicking themselves in few weeks if they miss the opportunity to buy and invest in Bitcoin
@scottdave21833 жыл бұрын
2021 online stock market is just difficult and unbelievable, I rather invest my money on crypto
@akshats.4253 жыл бұрын
People are ignorant of profitablity in bitcoin investment and that has been the major issues limiting their investment
@DiiceForeveroO3 жыл бұрын
One of the more pleasant debates I've seen in a while.
@davidoconnor17733 жыл бұрын
Mike Green: Has facts, articulate thoughts, deductive reasoning Pomp: You are wrong because i FEEL like you're wrong!! BTC 1 milli by 2025, you DON'T think there's at least a 1% chance of this?!!
@JaimeWarlock3 жыл бұрын
I think Mike doesn't really understand the full nature of decentralization though. It isn't just decentralization of miners, but decentralization of protocol resulting in altcoins. We have already witnessed this defense in the Bitcoin Cash community when Craig Wright tried to take over the network with superior hash power and resources. I do agree that Mike Green seems to understand the technical and political aspects better than Pomp, so he wins this debate in my view. However, I still disagree with Mike for reasons not brought up in the debate.
@Diabolical30103 жыл бұрын
@@JaimeWarlock what is the answer to the 7 billion dollar quesion?
@leofiskars3 жыл бұрын
Lol, this is accurate
@orsonvega85163 жыл бұрын
Pompliano owns this. China ban El Salvador adoption Gold going down More rational and visionary arguments Great debate.
@rustyfoot73 жыл бұрын
After listening to Mike make his arguments I decided I should buy more Bitcoin.
@streetninja5103 жыл бұрын
@@pjd6145 hes not talking about 51% is he? I thought what hes trying to argue is more like a ddos?
@robs25793 жыл бұрын
You clearly failed to understand Mike's pov :)
3 жыл бұрын
pomp was totally unprepared to the debate with this guy ..
@END-THE-FED2 жыл бұрын
The best thing about bitcoin is that it forces most people, who are financially illiterate to learn, “what is money?”
@frederickfrost65613 жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic debate and actually the best anti-bitcoin debater, I have ever seen. He did the best job of anyone so far talking about doubts and real world possibilities of failure.
@zacharykropidlowski1722 жыл бұрын
I think Peter Schiff is the best anti-crypto debater.
@minuswill3 жыл бұрын
...satoshi said: i have not the time to convict everyone... / time will tick off
@syzygysyzygy83323 жыл бұрын
Convict? Freudian slip much?
@disruptiveinnovationinform353 жыл бұрын
The leader not the lacker.old thinking is dead.
@disruptiveinnovationinform353 жыл бұрын
Globalization isnot about division
@SonySato813 жыл бұрын
I own bitcoins and other cryptocoins, but must say Mike Green is a beast. There is such a hype around the crypto space in general and it is hard to find the kind of valuable observations on risk that Mike provides. Many are the first time I hear and I´m thankful for that.
@LevelofClarity3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. It seems many people who watched this video did not get this.
@esquosi66213 жыл бұрын
POMP you should learn to argue without using exclusively ad hominem and straw-man techniques, very hard to watch
@bt74063 жыл бұрын
☠ this whole time i was like 'can people just make rational, non emotive, non pathos arguments EVER?!'
@TamraOG3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. Anthony came out the gate with his “approach it at a 3rd grade level..as to avoid an intellectual slight of hand”...then proceeds with (as you said) ad hominem and straw-man techniques. This is how 90% of people here in Seattle communicate...about everything..big or petty. I’m so tired of these types of “conversations” and can’t recall the last time I witnessed a forthright discussion. I tapped out of this one at 40 min.
@timothyevangelista91163 жыл бұрын
Agreed his rebuttals doesnt really address the arguments of Mike.. so cringey
@michaelmcnaughton15352 жыл бұрын
Somehow, Mike green sounds more credible and trustworthy. Pomp put straw man arguments forth.
@paulbrooks653 жыл бұрын
Might be the best debate I have heard on any subject. Both were respectful of the other, did not interrupt and shared their message with passion. Because of the above formula, I learned from both debaters (while being firmly with one side).
@romancasillas21233 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more!
@BurhBurhBurh3 жыл бұрын
Pomp was not respectful, putting words and claims into Mike's mouth.
@bilbostackins48743 жыл бұрын
Saint Petersburg paradox lol basically he said im not falling for your Jedi mind tricks hahahaha
@jglee67213 жыл бұрын
lol. I missed that one, but I will find it.
@katierunnberg79973 жыл бұрын
I feel like Anthony is playing to the emotions of the viewers and is covertly implanting buzzwords that might appeal to a large group of viewers. On the other hand, I feel Mike uses the principles of stoicism and his responses are very well thought out. Despite what you believe about Bitcoin, Mike truly is more credible in this debate.
@thephuntastics29202 жыл бұрын
no. Mike is just going through the government approved script. body language tells hes actually quite uncomfortable in his in-denial position. fun fact : most of the " criminal activity" is only " criminal" because the government says so ... and most of it is just because they dont get the dollars. governments are quick to demonize what threatens them.... things like decentralization and free spreech are high priority as we know. Furthermore : he asks if we really believe there is a 1% chance the us gov will adapt bitcoin ... of course we dont - thats why why we distrtact them with bitcoin debates. what he didnt talk about, probably because he knows its the nail in the nail in the coffin of government control is the Helium Network + deeper network + defi combo. There are 1000 coins and blockchains and it continues to grow. his estimated few billion dollars to disrupt bitcoin has to be 1000x. if bitcoin gets disrupted the crypto space will instantly move to another network. centralized control is practically destroying itself due to stoopid decisions.
@themountain34612 жыл бұрын
@@thephuntastics2920 exactly. The US government will protect its own interests. What are those? To remain as is. What are the interests of other actors? For things to not remain as is. So the US government deems illegal and bad anything that does not protect its own existence. Circular logic
@dso10173 жыл бұрын
Anthony did a real discredit to his position by relying on so much rhetoric
@michaelc73023 жыл бұрын
Ash was brilliant!
@321qazwsxedc1233 жыл бұрын
you can't pit Mike Green against Pompliano. Mike will always win! Bring Saylor on
@alex-dk2rj3 жыл бұрын
What about Andreas
@thousandaireradio31993 жыл бұрын
I think mike made himself look bad
@thousandaireradio31993 жыл бұрын
@@alex-dk2rj Andreas is awesome
@samuellee62752 жыл бұрын
Mike Green's position of being against BTC for the younger people or any one for that matter is if BTC continues to go up in fiat dollar terms those holding BTC will no longer participate in economic activity (aka keep working)? Isn't that what the wealthy in paper assets is doing? Equities, stocks, real estate, etc? Why can't the avg working class invest in something that can provide financial opportunity in a fiat system that continues to dwindle the working classes purchasing power? I agree with Pomp everyone should have a non-zero allocation into crypto. Even if you think BTC will fail you can see the current trends and data points and think of it as an insurance policy.
@PaulSyng3 жыл бұрын
We need more discussions like this. Both guys are very well spoken!
@baileydavid66153 жыл бұрын
A $100 investment in Crypto with an ROI of 62,500% would have resulted in a gain of $62,500. A $1,000 investment, over $625,000, and a $10,000 investment would have netted the investor over $6.25 millionaire💰
@boblee69073 жыл бұрын
Investing in crypto now should be in every wise individuals list, in some months time you'll be ecstatic with the decision you made today🤑
@user-vq8ms9tg9p3 жыл бұрын
I see Crypto as ultimately becoming a reserve currency for banks, playing much the same role as gold did in the early days of banking. Banks could issue digital cash with greater anonymity and lighter weight, more efficient transactions
@puntocriptoadmin.66053 жыл бұрын
Two years from now you will look back and say I'm glad I started trading
@user-eq1nx5uh4s3 жыл бұрын
People are scared of investing because of the high rate of unprofessional brokers everywhere
@jasoncole76983 жыл бұрын
@@user-eq1nx5uh4s Yes there are unprofesionals but real brokers are still out there for investors
@smartmoney73743 жыл бұрын
Why did Real Vision cut Mike off without finishing his question?
@paudieconroy49113 жыл бұрын
Great Debate, 2 smart guys! Anthony's smirk every time mike made a point was annoying, Crypto supporters are very sensitive to anything negative said about it! Why get so sensitive over something if you think it will just play out?
@Elpirado1003 жыл бұрын
They are ignorant shills
@endrebagdi66652 жыл бұрын
Mike Green is at another level.
@shocknawe143 жыл бұрын
One of these guys use alot of words and never say anything convincing. One of these guys speak clearly and make sense.
@homageseeds51033 жыл бұрын
It'd be awkward if we were assigning different roles here
@tillicollapse993 жыл бұрын
yeah man, the left guy didn't say nothing clearly... poor debate coming from him...
@grapplerke3 жыл бұрын
It’s clear, for intelligent individuals, that Pomp is a Charlatan riding this wave. This is coming from a bitcoin speculator. I speculate in it because it’s profitable against dumb money. Mike Green is an OG. Gold is superior, but I don’t hold any because I have stocks and real estate.
@rasulbogdan66393 жыл бұрын
@@grapplerke Gold does a better job at transfering wealth across time and space than bitcoin?
@grapplerke3 жыл бұрын
@@rasulbogdan6639 No reasonable central bank is going to hold bitcoin. They’ll be hacked faster than the Bangladesh central bank was hacked. The more bitcoin you hold, the more incentive there is for you to be hacked.
@Hero_my_Hiro3 жыл бұрын
I hope you do a follow up interview 20years from now.
@inCARSONate3 жыл бұрын
20? How about 2...
@ryanbruh7523 жыл бұрын
When bitcoin is exposed as a ponzi. China had 40% of bitcoin stashed away from the beginning. Haha
@gilkennedy76383 жыл бұрын
Only 3 years from now would be interesting
@se65863 жыл бұрын
@@ryanbruh752 wait till you find out what percentage of us bonds the Chinese own
@ryanbruh7523 жыл бұрын
@@se6586 the fed put a floor on bonds and the Chinese are selijg into it. That's why we have qe infinity
@FrederickWang3 жыл бұрын
Pardon my poor English. Can't listen to this Pompliano guy... He claims that Mike can't prove this, cant' prove that, but the only thing he can prove is only the "transaction record" of Bitcoin, which is NOT an important feature of any currency ever. Every point he is making is also just an opinion (which he has the right to do so,) just like Mike has been doing in this debate. But this Pomp guy even dares to assume what Mike is thinking, or what he is advocating about (20:33, which also cannot be proved unless he asks Mike directly) which is crossing a line during debating. You don't do this in an argument, advocating or assuming what the other party is representing. Please just represent YOURSELF and what YOU stand for... The major concern of any official currency is CONTROL, and then wide acceptance for its own survival. Bitcoin is far more fragile compared to gold or any other assets. This young man clearly has never experienced no electricity for days, or any social upheaval. Yes, you can access your Bitcoin in ordinary days when everything is normal, and when the invisible hand (Big Brother) is not in harms way. I also believe as Mikes says, that all governments already have their own crypto currency schemes planned out, and I'll be very surprised if any one will include Bitcoin in it. Regarding wealth preservation, stability, and durability reasons, gold trumps Bitcoin any day. Crypto currency sure is the future, but Bitcoin is NOT deemed to be The One at all. It's like the masses rushing in and heavily investing in AOL or Yahoo stocks just before the Dot Com bubble... Yes, internet was the future at those times, but those BBS and email companies were not the mainstream in the future. Same as the Blockchain hype nowadays: it is the future, but Bitcoin isn't going to be the APPL, FB or GOGL of blockchain.
@fast800man3 жыл бұрын
Pomp may be right or he might also not be. Not what I ultimately saw. Green clearly was the more polished debater and kept ruffling Pomp’s feathers without even trying. Frustration was oozing from Pomp’s screen. His lack of composure hurt his credibility. Also, who invests over 90% of their net worth on a speculative asset? He’s all in and not hedging for any risk.
@HenryPaulThe3rd3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I couldn’t not take him seriously after he said 96% of his net worth is in crypto. That’s just insane.
@saintmte50762 жыл бұрын
@@HenryPaulThe3rd if it's 'crypto' then it's not THAT insane (as tech has proved to be the big winner = even in the S&P). What will be insane is if he's portfolio is 96% 'BTC'. That's indeed portfolio suicide.
@HenryPaulThe3rd2 жыл бұрын
@@saintmte5076 crypto is digital beanie babies for men
@saintmte50762 жыл бұрын
@@HenryPaulThe3rd lol that ppl are making whole salaries off. Some that are persistent become millionaires within a few years. I've worked a 9-5, invested in stocks etc so if crypto is digital beanie babies then someone please feed me some hahaha
@vitaliyschreibmann66533 жыл бұрын
Pomp "language" is compromising. He is using default techniques to degrade "Mike" and his knowlege. Pomp does not answer the questions, is very vague and does not defend but attacks Mike. Pomp has a lot of money in Bitcoin, he has to defend his decision because otherwise hew will compromise himself. Every time Pomp talks, I feel like a child instead of an adult with Msc. degree.
@Windowlesswhitevan3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people don't have the degree that you have
@rubenperez5093 жыл бұрын
And yet Pomp is absolutely correct.
@rubenperez5093 жыл бұрын
All these people are being proven wrong time after time on bitcoin. It doesn’t matter if Mike is smart or speaks intelligently. He is absolutely wrong and Pomp is right.
@vitaliyschreibmann66533 жыл бұрын
@@rubenperez509 Beeing right now does not mean being right for ever. Bitcoin is currently similar to AOL in 2000er. To know now that there is a big problem will prevent us from sticking to it in when it crashing to insignificant number.
@rubenperez5093 жыл бұрын
@@vitaliyschreibmann6653 you need to understand that it’s not about which blockchain has the best technology. BTC is the only true decentralized blockchain, it’s the most secure, it has a finite supply and it is being adopted as a better form of gold as far as wealth preservation. People aren’t looking for the best tech (to store their wealth) like they were with AOL.
@pondweedfilms3 жыл бұрын
Great discussion - no talking over each other. Excellent content
@salvadordiaziii24903 жыл бұрын
Im really excited about blockchain technology but we need people like Mike to address possible concerns. Does anyone else see flaws with crypto/blockchain?
@OATMEALDOOM3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much this entire debate changes after becoming aware of the bitcoin ban in china
@Sudakatux3 жыл бұрын
Mike's arguments are still solid though. heard this debate today for the first time
@pauliuspuskunigis47213 жыл бұрын
It’s not banned in China
@pran100003 жыл бұрын
@@pauliuspuskunigis4721 Banned now!!
@shannon-daygrant87543 жыл бұрын
I love an argument that is fundamentally civil but contains enough reciprocal barbs and subtle personal hostility to make it interesting.
@expandingspirit36523 жыл бұрын
Nicely put.
@adox85743 жыл бұрын
Really ? I hate it. If your going to be hostile and take jabs at people have a spine and do it bluntly. Taking passive aggressive jabs is weak and spineless. I have zero respect for people who behave that way.
@maximumefficiency5933 жыл бұрын
Mike’s arguments were well-reasoned. Pomp’s were mostly emotional. I felt they were not intellectually well matched. Maybe Pomp was playing down to the audience.
@HenryHTan3 жыл бұрын
Share the same view. Pomp doesn't carry the same weight in his response
@Me-dr6kk3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, Pomp's experience at building Facebook in its current form suggests to me he doesn't have an appreciation for unintended consequences.
@AntiTheismForever2 жыл бұрын
Interesting to revisit this debate over a year later and see how the crypto casino has evolved and Bitcoin in particular. It's now quite clear that pompous Pom's call on Bitcoin is dead wrong and the forecasts of Bitcoin evangelists like him, Saylor, Mark Moss et al. have proven to be grandiose BS. Mike Green's analysis has stood the test of time.
@bhupeshbansal64743 жыл бұрын
Pomp came across as a bully IMO. His take on wealth inequality is completely off and bitcoin is NOT going to solve it. Money laundering using dollars is understood, using bitcoin not so much, dont think Pomp addressed that. He quietly ignored that whole point, maybe its too technical. Would like to hear more on that.
@jeroenplayak24333 жыл бұрын
Nice, hard and civilized.
@riishell3 жыл бұрын
The only thing of interest that Mike mentioned that I had to research is the st. petersburg paradox. Mike's arguments just didn't make logical sense to me. Is there risk in investing in bitcoin? Yes, but there seems to be much less risk in bitcoin than there is risk in not putting store of value in bitcoin.
@jcantonelli13 жыл бұрын
Mike saying that Bitcoin's probability of long-term success is "infinitesimal" was just ridiculous.
@etishbite4563 жыл бұрын
Bitcoin was not to be a store of value it was meant for P2P transactions. Plain and simple the Fed's control BTC, he who control's the liquidity control's the game.
@jcantonelli13 жыл бұрын
@@etishbite456 "was not to be" - says who, you?
@etishbite4563 жыл бұрын
@@jcantonelli1 Go read the BTC white paper it was meant for p2p transaction but that failed, so the SOV narrative took footing.
@Alistair3 жыл бұрын
@@etishbite456 wait so you can't do transactions on BTC? Guess I'd better go delete the ones that I did fictional edit: oh, turns out the blockchain is immutable
@AlexHawker7613 жыл бұрын
Both these guys made their points well! Great debate. I vote for Bitcoin!
@RokSlana3 жыл бұрын
This is the best pro et contra debate on bitcoin to date. Absolutely brilliant.
@anynamewilldo37793 жыл бұрын
“War is not an economic interest” 😂😂😂 Has he met the us government??
@settledown53923 жыл бұрын
haha That's how you know he lost the argument. Can't imagine a more dishonest statement from a guy who clearly knows the difference. Not a big Pomp guy, but this was an easy debate to win. Mike Green's argument was basically, "bitcoin is scary"lol. It's no more or less speculative than gold. Any person who follows the two assets knows this. Great debate between two bright men all the same.
@CaptBill-rj4oe3 жыл бұрын
@@settledown5392 The dollar is speculative also if you want to be honest. Is it a great idea to be all in on the dollar? Sounds irresponsible.
@settledown53923 жыл бұрын
@@CaptBill-rj4oe Did I say anything about "all in" on anything? Nope. Diversification is always important. That's day one of investing.
@TheWeastBeast3 жыл бұрын
@@settledown5392 Settle Down needing to settle down himself. Mike's argument is to think for yourself and consider what the return of this asset could be in Pomp's hypothetical future. Nobody knows and nobody could figure that out.
@settledown53923 жыл бұрын
@@TheWeastBeast I'm perfectly calm sir. That was one of his points he made.....and probably the best. The repetitive stuff about China, Russia, Iran couldn't be more intellectually dishonest though, along with him saying war is not an economic interest lol. Great debate either way, from two intelligent guys..... but Mike looked like an MSNBC shill to some degree here.
@Guayubino3 жыл бұрын
One of the bests debates I've witnessed, regardless of subject.
@jemesmemes90263 жыл бұрын
Young people are concerned with inflation as well because we know wages have been stagnant for decades!
@IamSamSammIam3 жыл бұрын
You're exactly right buff Kirby
@Sudakatux3 жыл бұрын
Greatest debate i seen on the subject. I really like bitcoin but Mike Green was the winner of this debate.
@jazes84232 жыл бұрын
How? What was your criteria?
@johnfehringer3 жыл бұрын
Ash Bennington is by far the best interviewer for complex subjects. All the pieces he moderates on Real Vision are top class. I re-upped my subscription to RV to follow his series on Crypto.
@kristiangirotto91253 жыл бұрын
I BOUGHT BITCOIN ON MY PHONE WHILE WATCHING THIS VIDEO! THE FUTURE IS NOW OLD MAN!
@Iam-not-as-grumpy-as-Isound3 жыл бұрын
Iam an old man. I just took a look at the price of my bitcoin . And smiled.
@cainejackson80033 жыл бұрын
The team worked on btc (creating it) are in there 50's. So I don't think she is relevant.
@ben-g3143 жыл бұрын
You can buy anything online with a phone these days... so how is that special
@kwamebushman6063 жыл бұрын
@@ben-g314 He can ALSO sell his bitcoin on his phone anytime. Have you tried selling your gold/silver?? LOL
@ben-g3143 жыл бұрын
@@kwamebushman606 why would you. Gold is not as volatile
@uzairahmed50053 жыл бұрын
Why did Pomp get to be the face of bitcoin? He's sounds like a charlatan and got wrecked by Mike Green. Real Vision should get a smarter person to argue Bitcoins case on the level of Mike Green because Pomp is not it
@Enzo-xh3kr3 жыл бұрын
He is a charlatan doing for his own benefits. Mike Green is the real pro here.
@HHTan-ir3fw3 жыл бұрын
@@Enzo-xh3kr fully agree.
@thousandaireradio31993 жыл бұрын
Pomp got out of his way and let him make a fool of himself. I think he did a great job.
@Dragonluna693 жыл бұрын
Totally disagree. Mike is a smart guy but Anthony won this debate hands down. I've never heard of him but he is 100% right about the future of BTC.
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