Hahaha! And how easily can they be swiped from a big box store 😆

Cordless sawzall's do it faster and quieter. This is more of a bike thief's wet dream

My big box has them under lock and key.

Bruh 🤣

@@TorqueTestChannel Prove it!

Yes...BUT isn't a shit air tool better? I hope I'm not the only cheapass wondering

I absolutely love mine! I find myself using it for all kinds of stuff. Using it with the dremel brand diamond multi purpose blade is great. I also saw that someone makes an adapter to use a finger sander/belt grinder attachment on it going to order one of those next!

@@B0BBYGAMERhe did test a cheap air tool in this test, and it got beat bad by the dewalt

@@B0BBYGAMER for the simple reason of not being tethered to an air tank or dealing with an air hose.... Absolutely not

@@B0BBYGAMER Cheapass tools lose charm when they die. Then you spend time and money with a new tool when you would be doing something else.

We thought the hype in the DeWALT was just because it was new. Sort of thought the same as you. Just highlights how hard it is to compare these types of tools on product pages

I agree completely. I have many Milwaukee tools and like them all except this weak thing. The only material that doesn't stall it is foam insulation.

I can't stand how big the m12 die grinders (90° and straight) are. The handles are so rediculously large it seems like they put ZERO effort into trying to package the components efficiently. They look like a rushed first draft just made to prove a concept, not a production tool. And most of their stuff is looking like that these days. Making that money I guess.

Same here. I regret buying the M12. Wanted to use it for tile and and concrete board and it feels like it is going to catch fire.

Crap just bought the M12, maybe I shouldn’t have.

Dewalt is absolutely eating everyone’s lunch right now. I’m so glad I went with team bumblebee this time around. I get work done faster and my hands don’t hurt.

@@markm0000 and I'm regretting jumping on team red a while back. They've stagnated.

@@sidthesloth128 i personally didn't buy either of the milwaukee m12 die grinders because I was able to try a coworker's. While they were alright i guess they didnt have the power i needed or the size to replace my air tools. I have been waiting dilligently for a "gen 2" for a long time hoping they would work on the compactness and power both like they seem to do with the 2nd gen impacts, etc. No dice. So when I see the new dewalt in a similar size absolutely trounce the milwaukee in power, it bums me out that I'm on the red platform since I dont want to change 'yet again'. I'd love to get away from the hose/ air compressor completely.

@@sidthesloth128 people are crazy and/or have too much money. Both red and yellow are quality brands I'm 💛 but agree big red has Dewalt beat on some tools. It is great for us the way they keep pushing each other in quality and price. I Look at it that way.

@@sidthesloth128 Oh I gotcha now, maybe I wasn't clear- I'm not gonna jump ship, sell all my red, and start over with another brand. That would be silly since there are some of the milwaukee tools I have that kick ass. I was more talking about having to invest in chargers and batteries for yet another brand if i decide to get some dewalts. Now that said, if somone (anyone) comes out with a tiny, powerful straight and 90°die grinder and air ratchet that are actually comparable in size to air tools (including the batteries) then I might buy them with a battery and charger kit if on sale (I.E. not too much if an investment) I already have milwaukee (used to be a makita guy, WAY back in the day) and ryobi because I needed a tool and there was a sale on one I liked in kit form from a different brand at a price where I couldnt say no. I'm not getting rid of any of my tools- just adding to the collection, which is nice- so when i go on a big job I have plenty of chargers, batteries, and tools to use at will. I'm not only cheap, but also not wealthy, so purchases have to be well thought out and saved up for. And worth the $. BTW I'm liking the ryobi tools I have more than I thought I would. The question was durability, and they're holding up great. Hopefully, slumping sales from bad PR and unsatisfied customers jumpimg ship will wake milwaukee up.

I second this request.

They have been beefing up their wires thankfully and their plastic has always been good.

Agreed, the voltage argument makes no sense when the tools are the same size. If everyone can make a higher voltage tool that size make that power they should!

@@TorqueTestChannel it does though for a continuously loaded motor. Voltage is directly relevant to torque. Voltage in impacts and ratchets isn't going to be as directly noticeable as continuous speed with loading.

@@ObservationofLimits Amps/current is directly related to torque, voltage is most directly related to RPM all things being equal.

@@TorqueTestChannel I feel like you are the channel guy to make a 36v m12 battery pack work.

add to that brushless have 90%++ efficiency where AC grinders have more like 50-60% (for example metabo 850W have 480w output power) so THAT DEWALT IS A BEAST .... 550W +++ of brushless ON THE OUTPUT !!!!! (it have more because that spindle as a generator have less than 80% efficiency) its like 1000w 240volt AC powered grinder ....but compact ....and probably even more powerfull

I wonder if you could have an almost identical setup with another spindle motor, except drive it with a DC power supply. Then you could basically dyno your dyno with itself. You would have to make the assumption that both motors have equal efficiency in this scenario, though. I dont know enough about DC motors to know if you can do that.

I used to do efficiency testing of automotive space. Toss an inline flange type torque meter, T12FS from HBK was the standard at the time. The cost goes way up, I rather have them use their funds on buying tools and testing than coming up with a band on dyno.

@@wills2262 wouldn't need anything near that expensive. Just get a second motor exactly the same and hook them up together. Measure power going in, subtract power coming out divide by two and there's your efficiency loss for the generator side.

They sure have I bought the Milwaukee first because it was the only one available great tool. I now have the dewalt amazing power.

Be real the Dewalts from just a couple years ago really sucked. Professionals bought Milwaukee because they were better tools. The tables sure have turned nowadays.

@@markm0000 Gotta agree with Mark here. 20V tools just from 2-3 years ago were pretty sleepy

@@loucifer4205 Not even close.

I've recently upgraded to Dewalt from Milwaukee. Been great so far!

We'll buy it

Don’t forget dewalts sawzall that thing is something else.

i got one to cut impossible to unscrew screws in hvac retrofit, and i love it for its size (and battery compatibility with my other Milwaukee tools), but i can tell that using it for sheet metal, screws, and the occasional heavy angle is about the max of its usefulness. id love to see more compact 18 volt batteries, and a m18 cutoff tool out of Milwaukee.

@@shrededpudding5921 agreed. The max I've cut with my M12 cutoff tool has been 3/8" steel rod but anything heavier will be cut with my corded grinder. I'd say this tool was pushing the limits for a 12V platform and a main reason we don't see 4 1/2" angle grinders in 12V guise. The least powerful angle grinder I've seen is 600W, just do the math...

Imagine your wrist after holding it for a while.

I mean it is Milwaukee M12 Series , The M18 series would be different story

@@Jesse921 I would love to see an 18 volt version of the right angle die Grinder, a little more size with a bunch more power and runtime. I’m sure they would still be smaller than the old Ingersoll Rand Cordless Right Angle Die Grinder. 14.4 Volt Lithium Ion Battery. I liked mine until it got hot or the batteries died.

Lmao a 9ah flex volt on this thing would rip through a solid block of steel.

flippin LARRY!

That's a great idea

I've seen tests on other channels that just go through the normal cutting speed same blade same battery capacities comparatively a 4 amp hour 12 volt Milwaukee versus a 4 amp hour Ryobi 18 volt and Ryobi outperforms Milwaukee. I have the rigid version so I'm team Orange and well yes I have stalled this thing out a time or two. It does everything it's supposed to do well. My only complaint is the guard/depth control. Milwaukee and dewalt's guard is a much better depth control option than what was included on the rigid. A glorified metal bracket and you need a 4 mm hex key to adjust the depth. But overall in the TTI camp rigid and Ryobi are better than the Milwaukee

I'm also interested in seeing the Ryobi compared to the Milwaukee and DeWalt.

I don't own the Ryobi but owned the Ridgid (which looks like an orange Ryobi) for about 6 months and it's noticeably more powerful than my M12 Fuel. Eg. cutting 3/8" rebar would've stalled the M12 once while the Ridgid would cut it right away and 2-3 seconds faster. I also liked the Ridgid had a variable speed trigger but I just got rid of it as I chose to keep 2 brands only. Nothing wrong with their cut off tool.

These are not made for wood.

I owned both and the Ridgid was noticeably more capable than the M12 fuel. While my M12 would stall once cutting through 3/8" rebar, the Ridgid would do it right away and about 2-3 seconds faster. If going through 1/8 sheetmetal none of them stalled but the Ridgid would be quicker overall. If going through drywall or pvc, both would feel about the same.

The 4ah batteries are too small for that application, I'd bet. Angle grinder wise, my M18 is gutless and hogs through batteries faster than steel with less than a 6ah battery.

@@wiresmith2398 I'm sure the bigger batteries work better, but with a small motor I wouldn't say that they're useless unless the batteries are heavily worn. Angle grinders definitely benefit from higher output packs, the non HP+ ryobi packs also output less current in general than the HP+ ones, so they'll always be a bit weaker. The main issue with using a 3" cutoff tool to run though sheet metal is just heat, the motor got hot, the cutting disk got hot, the battery was hot, it's a lot of heat, but it worked.

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