Hey, really appreciate the comment. Definitely a labor of love! I spend an insane amount of time testing, analyzing, filming, troubleshooting, re-filming and editing… i don’t even know how much time I spent on this one. (Just the exporting alone was hours of frustration due to some FCPX errors ugh!) Anyway, just trying to create something that is both informative & entertaining for the few people that watch my channel, haha! So big thanks for the comment and support, cheers!

I gotta say the same thing. What an insane amount of time needed to shoot and edit like this, wow.

@@mjodr yea, it’s basically a HUGE waste of time… but trying to make quality videos is “passion project” for me. I do however hope people find them entertaining & useful so it’s not a total complete waste of time! Ultimately though, I do these tests for my own curiosity, and then try to make them into interesting videos to share with other hobby folks. “Positive contributions to the internet.” Always appreciate the comments and support from everyone, so thanks for taking a second to drop a comment. Cheers!

@@GiantAntCowboy Oh I get it man! I spend hours setting up my XLR mic and audio interface and then hours more tweaking my EQ, compressor, noise suppression, side chain ducking on the music, etc. And I know the 3 people who watch my video don't give a crap about any of that! lol I'm even embarrassed when I pop a plosive into my mic and I'm slacking on putting on a pop filter and then you got guys with 2 million subscribers screaming into a $5 lav mic duct taped to a pencil! lol!

@@mjodr 100%… I have like dozen videos I never released because they “weren’t perfect…” I need to get better at just publishing everything and stop obsessing with details… but I always have this vision of how I want my videos to be, and part of the fun is filling that vision. Sounds like you know exactly what I mean. I usually hate me audio, finally ordered a proper audio recorder. “Zoom F2” with 32-bit float. Hope that cleans up my audio and makes it more consistent. But I’d rather produce quality over quantity, there’s no money to be made in this FPV Niche anyway..

Yea, 100mW, as shown here, outperforms 5.8ghz at 1000mW (1W), especially with this Gemini setup. Admittedly i used to run my Crossfire setup at max 1W power, and wonder if that actually wore the TX out, because it’s performance seemed to be getting worse with time. Regarding ceramic antennas, I didn’t show it here but, I actually failsafed in the Gantlet trail while testing one of those Ceramic antenna RXs. They should really only be used for tiny whoops. Anyway, thanks as always for watching and sharing your thoughts, cheers bud!

Big thanks, I really pushed my editing skills with this one. I always try to jam a ton of info in a short space because I know people don’t want to watch a 20 minute video… Really appreciate the comment & support! Cheers!

Yea, I always try to pack these videos with info… some of it sounds complicated but you’ll pick it all up quickly. Oscar Liang is a true hero for the hobby, he has everything very well covered, not much I can add, plus I have very limited free-time… these KZfaq episodes are fun because I get to do equal parts technical chat & entertainment, plus I have an excellent test environment in my backyard. Making this content though is hard work, it takes a ton of time, and even though I get periodically get free parts it actually costs me money to run this channel… but it’s a hobby and I enjoy supporting the hobby & practicing video editing. If you find any video particularly helpful or interesting please share them, that’s a great way to help me grow the channel! Appreciate you bing watching my content and leaving awesome comments! ✨

Hey that’s a great idea! In the penetration tests here I had to rely on the Telemetry Log Files because the OSD info froze half through The Gantlet and was impossible to really know how the Control Links were performing… Had this discussion been started any where that you know of? Thanks for watching and sharing the idea, cheers!

@@GiantAntCowboy No it's just something I thought of recently.

@@WinstonSmith1984 well I think it’s worth a discussion for sure!

I think this is doable using hdzero goggle with elrs backpack. Hdzero is using the audio bandwidth to send osd, but this result in a lot of freezes. Having a horizon line in case of total blackout would be awesome fot sure !

Yes, good point, time to start digging! That would be a very exciting feature.

Yea, with ELRS there are Antenna Diversity RXs, True Diversity RXs, and now this Gemini Setup which is True Diversity RX & TX. This clearly has the advantage both on paper and in test. I’ve been testing the new HDZero V2 VTX & all camera modes as well which is why I had so many Gantlet Runs for comparison. I’ll be working on that video next. Always appreciate the comments and support, cheers man!

Thanks, yea BetaFPV is the first to market but assume more options will come soon, thanks for watching, cheers!

Thanks, always appreciate the comment and support. I tried to keep the video and information moving; Didn’t spend much time showing what comes in the box, reading the specs, or explaining in detail how the system works… there’s already a ton of reviews like that.

It’s a solid setup, thanks for watching. Cheers!

Thank you, appreciate the support!

@@wrightwells yea, it’s just unnecessary noise. A proper ELRS setup at 100mW (or max 250mw) should outperform any normal 5.8ghz FPV feed.

Ehh, I could certainly get an affiliate link, but I just make these videos to share my own curiosity and of course for fun. Always trying to push my video editing skills, too many hobbies too little time! I do have a “Buy me a coffee” link if anyone ever wants to contribute, would love to buy more stuff to test, but it’s hard to justify as this is already a huge money pit! Haha! Cheers bud!

@@GiantAntCowboy I'll get you a coffee dude I appreciate the effort you put in and helps my make my decisions 🙏

@@serval_fpv 🔥 Nah, you don’t have to do that, just happy to have your support! 👏🏼

Deserved bro 🙏

@@serval_fpvmuch respect & huge thanks! 🤝✨

Thanks for watching, appreciate the comment! 👍🏼

Thanks, appreciate the comment. Yea, these settings definitely perform great! Give it a try, higher refresh rates aren’t really beneficial unless racing through tight gates. Let me know, cheers

Yea, I’m pretty satisfied with this setup. Honestly my standard ELRS setup with Antenna Diversity perform more than good enough. However this is even better with near perfect performance all the time! Price wise it’s pretty reasonable, still way cheaper than Crossfire for example. Thanks for watching, appreciate the comment, cheers!

Big thanks, always trying to improve my video/editing skills. Really appreciate the comment, stay tuned. Cheers!

Thanks for watching, really appreciate the comment!

Thanks, appreciate the support! I do my best to make fun & interesting videos. A bit of a “passion project”. Stay tuned, Cheers!

Yes, I bet you could, BUT as i mentioned in the video I don’t find that higher output power is really necessary, especially if you’re using a 5.8ghz FPV feed. ELRS at 100mW outperforms 5.8ghz VTX at 1W with high gain directional antennas. However if you’re doing some super long-range Wing flights it could be a neat project.

Yea, it’s the perfect test spot because it seems to the limit for 5.8ghz RF and is easily repeatable. I actually had a failsafe/crash during this testing that maybe I’ll share later, was just trying to keep this video short and to the point. Thanks for watching, cheers!

Thanks for watching man!

@@GiantAntCowboy always quality content man!

Absolutely correct, I used to run my CRSF at 1W, and definitely had Video interference. Additionally I think maybe after years at 1W it damaged the TX because I was troubleshooting LQ issues for months before switching to ELRS last year. When I first got ELRS I was running at 500hz with good results, in fact the long-range comparison shown here was at 500hz. However, LQ is way more stable at lower hertz, for example 150hz. So if you’re having some issues definitely trying dropping down to 150hz and see if that helps. You’re unlikely to notice the slower link refresh; but can’t go wrong with this Gemini system either… Thanks for watching and sharing some thoughts, cheers!

@@GiantAntCowboy 500 to 150 is very noticeable, especially when racing… you see it in lap times and consistency. 500:250 is almost unnoticeable though, and according to my data, may be within the margin of error, but I suck. For some people there may be better correlation. LQ is weird, as it’s a percentage… even though it looks worse at 500Hz, more overall data is still getting through, unless REALLY pushed (beyond FPV applications). It’s just the consistency that goes down, but until it dips below 50, a normal human likely won’t feel any inconsistency, at all. But in the end it’s always speed Vs integrity for data. Choose what’s required. You will never fly proximity freestyle 50km away, so there really isn’t much overlap in applications.

@@lemonsquareFPV great info, you said flying around “Sea Vessels” so I assume you were like doing more cinematic cruising in which case the refresh rate is barely noticeable. But yea, all about the application. There’s so many different styles of FPV it’s always nice to have options!

@@GiantAntCowboy It’s usually freestyle at 500Hz, but the LQ will drop into the 10s around certain ships and oil platforms, and the drop is definitely noticeable then. I know that they have pretty complex RF environments, but it may also possibly be drone detection and jamming. 🤷‍♂️ but honestly keep 100m distance and it’s a non issue.

@@lemonsquareFPV yea, maybe this Gemini system would be a real benefit for you in those situations.

I think the 900mhz Bandit is probably more capable than the 2.4 Gemini BUT both systems easily outperform our 5.8ghz video feeds so this additional performance really doesn’t matter… Benefits of the 2.4ghz Gemini system: - Dual transmitters & receivers gives the best possible LQ, this is really important especially in noisy environments like near cities. - Much smaller antennas are nice for various reasons, especially transporting/storing your transmitter, and smaller quads. - 2.4ghz is more commonly available, and less regulated than 900mhz. You can run ELRS at high output power, but I don’t see the point. - As shown here 2.4ghz Gemini at 100mW easily outperforms both WalkSnail & HDZero systems running at 1W using quad 7-turn helical antennas. -2.4ghz at 100mW has been tested to 100km (60miles) range. In conclusion I’d chose 2.4ghz over 900mhz for sure. Hope that’s helpful!

Hi. Thank you very much for your quick reply. You helped me a lot 👍

Yea, I honest don’t have experience with the Jumper series, but people seem to like it. I just recently switched to this Zorro transmitter, had been using an X9D for many years. I like the smaller controller especially when packing a backpack! I definitely think Gemini will be further developed by several companies. Companies are dying to sell products and new tech is new opportunity. Funny how many 900mhz transmitters have just hit the market recently; 2.4ghz if set up properly should always outperform 5.8ghz, it’s just physics.

Thank you sir, pushed my editing skills and computer performance a bit here… Gemini definitely seems super solid! I have not had issues with the Radio Rebooting at higher output power, however I almost never run anything higher than 100mW. There just no reason really… Additionally running TXs at higher output power produces more heat, and likely reduces there lifespan. They do supply a cable for an external battery but I’ve never used one.

Thanks, pretty satisfied with this setup.

Hey, I only fly 2.4ghz now. I flew 900mhz Crossfire for years, but switched to ELRS a year or so ago and love it. 900mhz does “have better range/penetration” but as shown here a proper 2.4ghz ELRS system vastly outperforms our 5.8ghz FPV feeds… so I don’t see any reason to fly 900mhz. Also 2.4ghz ELRS at only 100mW has been tested over 100km. The only time I’ll FailSafe 2.4ghz is behind a mountain peak, and the same would happen to 900mhz. RF just doesn’t penetrate rock. One huge disadvantage of 900mhz is the antenna size, it’s especially annoying on the Transmitter when trying to store and transport it. Hope that’s helpful, and thanks for watching the channel!

Thanks, appreciate the comment! I always try to keep make these videos helpful & entertaining. To your question: So I was originally going to include RSSI data but it became way too much information to show. I chose LQ because the true purpose of Gemini is to send the same data packets twice with the goal of improving LQ, which we saw it actually does seem to do! Gemini doesn’t improve the sensitivity, so RSSI won’t really be improved, nor will range be increased... It’s all about stability & LQ. With that said I just reviewed the data and saw at 100mW, my old setup had a low RSSI of -100 where as the Gemini setup had a low of -93. However there are a lot of variables, so this is just anecdotal evidence... Good question, thanks for watching, cheers!

@GiantAntCowboy awesome! Thanks for that info. I mostly fly in bandos so I really just focus on DBM. That's good to know about the Gemini and deff helps. I have one long range rig but mostly I just need the penetration. I've yet to get close to failsafe with the ranger nano on my zorro. But new tech always interests me. (I also use an external battery but have the long cable so I can keep it in my pocket) Seriously can't say enough how helpful and good this video is. Always enjoy your content.

Yea, I’ve heard that Crossfire setups at high output levels can even reboot FPV goggles if places too closely! As I said in the video it’s best to run the lowest output power you can to limit interference. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience, cheers!

Nice, solid performance. Signal while turning is always the tricky bit, if your really obsessed with maintaining 100% LQ you could try adjusting your antenna positions, or even mounting one of them vertically. However anything above 95% is basically perfect LQ. Thanks for sharing your results, certainly keep us posted with additional flights, cheers!

​@@GiantAntCowboy yes, I was limited on where I wanted to put them by the leads being not the longest... I'll be getting one longer antenna soon! I was at 50mw and 150hz Can't wait to see some more long range from you with it!

@@ugpfpv361 working on new videos, the holidays were super busy, so haven’t had time for anything. Looking forward to getting more hobby time!

Yea, CRSF is the OG of long range. This Gemini is a bit overkill, but works great! Cheers bud!

Helical antennas work great on DJI, I did a bunch of tests recently, here’s a Draft version of my new video - DJI FPV Long Range Penetration Antenna Tests for Improved Signal kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9Cle92lnLCXhnk.html (haven’t finished it yet, so any feedback is welcome). Regarding the delay it could be an antenna or signal issue… towards the end of this video I talked show examples of stuttering I was getting with some of my antenna setups, even with decent MBPS. Let me know what you think. Cheers!

When I first got ELRS I ran Dynamic and it failsafed twice. My video signal was solid at the time and i watched it happen... I’ve heard others with similar experience. Maybe it was a certain FW, not sure,, but since then I run 100mW fixed and haven’t had any issues. As I said in the video, I do not recommend running 1W.

years ago i guess?​@@GiantAntCowboy

@@alperenozgur yup when I first switched to ELRS. Most likely a FW bug, but I always like to minimize variables when flying in the mountains. Lost a quad a few months ago, total bummer…

I also failsafed on dynamic, using a 1w Ranger module last year. If I remember correctly it can introduce enough delay when switching power to cause a failsafe

@@Paulwhittingham yea, just yesterday I was thinking, “maybe i should try dynamic again” but I’ll probably stick with either 100mW or 250mW fixed. It’s just one less variable to worry about… Thanks for sharing.

So I only ran 1W through the Gantlet trail, the range test flights were at 100mW. I have not really tried using an external battery yet, and not sure how long the Zorro controller could sustain power at 1W (2W).

Not yet, but I believe it’s being developed. 2.4ghz works flawlessly well beyond the functional limits of our 5.8ghz FPV fees though. Last year 2.4ghz ELRS at only 100mW was tested over 100km for example.

Not specifically. I’m sure it could be added, but what would be the benefit? Currently I believe telemetry alternates RX/TX antennas several times a second which ensures all or most packets are received.

@@GiantAntCowboyHigher telemetry rates make the link unstable because more bandwidth is being used. ELRS favours control link over telemetry. Eventually there will come a point where the telemetry is cut to save the link. I imagine having two streams of data would mean that you could have full telemetry update rate and full range.

@@madladdan ok, good point. Would you loose control link diversity in this situation? With only one antenna handling control inputs.

@@GiantAntCowboy To be honest I have no clue. I imagine so

With this Gemini Setup it’s constantly sending & receiving two separate packets, so I think both the telemetry and control links are covered.

Thanks for watching, cheers!