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Best High End EDC? Shalotek vs Daniel Defense H9 vs Icarus Parker Mountain Machine

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Small Arms Firearms

Small Arms Firearms

Күн бұрын

Are you looking to create the ultimate EDC? Tune in to find out what the best EDC I've tested so far is.
0:00 - Intro
2:15 - DD H9
7:10 - P365XL
9:18 - P365XL Icarus/PMM
11:09 - Shalotek
14:09 - Pinnacle EDC
20:54 - Conclusion
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@yut2bibble
@yut2bibble 4 ай бұрын
Great information that I haven't seen anywhere else! Thoughtful, fact based analysis that I can really use.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 4 ай бұрын
Appreciate the kind words
@mavrikmavrik3032
@mavrikmavrik3032 Ай бұрын
My son ran his new H9 last week during a 2 day pistol class that we took together. He shot over 1000 rounds throughout the two day class. The first day he shot OK but wasn't happy with his performance. The trigger is really different than anything out there and he wasn't used to it. He debated if he should keep going or go back to his glock. He went home that night and did a bunch of dry fire drills and decided to run the H9 again the second day. He shot the pistol better and felt more comfortable with it. By the end of the day he was shooting it about as well as his glock (stock glock with 19 grip and 17 slide). A few things of note. He had zero failures over the 1000+ rounds. The gun got hot and was at times uncomfortable in his appendix rig (this is going to happen with any gun when you shoot so much but especially a full metal pistol). He didn't see any performance advantages of the pistol over his glock. He likes the gun and it's a novelty but it's not a revolutionary shooter or anything like that. Reliability was good.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms Ай бұрын
Great write up on this and I appreciate it. Good to hear they have worked out the function issues and I think you nailed it that this is a novelty pistol. Especially for the price.
@BradTheChadBased
@BradTheChadBased Ай бұрын
I think P365 is going to take over the game completely being able to mix and match parts from gun to gun is insane. Let alone the performance and aftermarket support which is only going to get better and SIG is doing such a good job. I’m truly impressed with this company.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms Ай бұрын
I don’t disagree with this and although everyone else is behind on the innovation Sig did with the 365, I think the other major names in the field will start doing the same’ish options in the near future. Springfield releasing the echelon is a decent example. I would love to see more competition in this space but you won’t see me leaving the 365 platform for a long time at this point.
@mavrikmavrik3032
@mavrikmavrik3032 Ай бұрын
Great video, I love the info. I'm probably going to pick up a Shalotek grip and give it a try.
@gixxerjunky
@gixxerjunky Ай бұрын
I want this set up with a Shalotek 12 round grip (maguts to get 14), a 365X size slide with a PMM or Radian Ramjet comp, and a TLR7
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms Ай бұрын
Steve got one and the 12 round feels amazing. I might have to get one too for summer carry
@BradTheChadBased
@BradTheChadBased Ай бұрын
I did my own trigger job gently polished everything that made contact even the FCU on the one side gently. It literally is close to my Giessele trigger I did however put on M*CARBO striker housing and striker that made a difference. I don’t like messing with tolerances of my trigger on EDC guns but it’s really good now there’s very little reset just enough. You can definitely tell it’s a striker fired trigger if you pull it really slowly and unevenly, but if you pull like you’re supposed to, it feels almost as good as my rifle triggers.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms Ай бұрын
Did you hand polish or use a rotary polisher like a dremel?
@lindseywack8192
@lindseywack8192 2 ай бұрын
This was great information: what slide did you end up with on the shalotek lower. If you could put a full break down that would be great. Great job.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 2 ай бұрын
Flex XLR-17, added the thumb throttle, PMM XL length barrel and compensator (3.7” barrel), with the stock P365XL slide. I recently put in a Tactical Triggers spring kit and a tyrant CNC trigger. Still editing the video but I will say I am enjoying the improvements
@lindseywack8192
@lindseywack8192 2 ай бұрын
Thank You for the input. Im going to start mine. ​@@SmallArmsFirearms
@therealnugzy
@therealnugzy 4 ай бұрын
Great vid. You're the first channel I've ever subscribed to that only had 5 subscribers and I've enjoyed every video you've put out so far. Nice to see you over 100 already and I'm sure you'll hit 1k/10k/100k fairly quickly if you keep up this kind of quality.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for helping out! I've got a few more in works when I can get time to cut up and edit the footage. Really do appreciate you taking the time and watching
@oddballgunman5288
@oddballgunman5288 4 ай бұрын
PMM on the Shalotek frame for the win
@mavrikmavrik3032
@mavrikmavrik3032 Ай бұрын
I put the x-macro lower on my XL slide. This combination is very nice for shooting and carrying in the fall/winter/spring. However with only a tshirt for cover the x-macro grip is a bit long for summer/hot weather carry (for me anyway as I don't like to print). I shoot the regular XL grip just fine and with a good grip I have no problem managing recoil for follow up shots. Yes it's smaller but it's not a G19/P10C, it's really just a micro compact on boosters. I have no issue with it as a stock carry gun.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms Ай бұрын
I’m about to shoot a video for my summer carry here soon (out camping for the week). I have the same issue with macro size grip with lightweight clothes also and I do switch to the stock XL grip module as well. But… I might have just ordered something that will replace my “summer” carry grip module.
@calebvieracker9388
@calebvieracker9388 2 ай бұрын
I see others have brought it up but i have the Icarus XXL Marco lower and the grip is very well textured. Although i do agree with you that the "gas pedals" could use a deeper more aggressive texture.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 2 ай бұрын
I have heard this from multiple owners as well. That they redesigned the stippling on the grip for the macro lower and it’s much better than the previous EVO XL size. But they also said they didn’t improve the texture on the “gas pedal”. But a smooth gas pedal is better than not having one. If anything it helps index on the pistol from draw to get a quicker first shot.
@BradTheChadBased
@BradTheChadBased Ай бұрын
I love that they don’t push the M*CARBO trigger as the most important part of the package because it isn’t. A good trigger job minor tweaking can make a OEM trigger almost as nice and way more reliable.
@oddballgunman5288
@oddballgunman5288 4 ай бұрын
I've never held an Icarus, yet I've been wanting the A.C.E. Evo. Definitely looking a lot more at the Shalotek grip and would like to get the PMM system.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 4 ай бұрын
The guy that had the Icarus grip module literally ordered a Shalotek Flex the next day after using mine with his PMM barrel/comp....
@BradTheChadBased
@BradTheChadBased Ай бұрын
I don’t think in 10 years there’s going to be something that blows this out of the water, but it will probably improve upon the technology
@jjthejetplane8965
@jjthejetplane8965 2 ай бұрын
I have the Tactical Trigger kit in my pistol, really makes a difference to the trigger pull. I don't know if it's better or worse than the M*carbo but would recommend giving it a shot. Also, you might want to give the Phlster Enigma a try instead of the belly band. Looks like it would be less bulky and I can conceal an XL is basketball shorts with it. Thanks for the video, have to decide between a PMM comp or a Shalotek. Also I'm subscribed, gonna go through some of your backlog. Keep it up!
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 2 ай бұрын
I really appreciate the support! As far as PMM vs Shalotek upper, you can’t compare the benefit of integrated comp vs dedicated. PMM comp does more work. There is no denying that. It’s just up to you if you want the easier take down and maintenance of an integrated comp (Shalotek) or the better return to zero if PMM’s dedicated comp
@warrenjoseph2605
@warrenjoseph2605 3 ай бұрын
The icarus x macro has more aggressive texturing than the evo module
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 3 ай бұрын
I have heard this consistently from online groups, unfortunately I’m not willing to pay for it just to test it out at the moment. But if I run across one in the wild I will be sure to share my thoughts.
@BradTheChadBased
@BradTheChadBased Ай бұрын
Off-topic but I’m not a fan of red dots on my every day carry. I do have a slide with the red dot for my P365 but I prefer just using the night fision 3 dot white sites. I don’t see a big difference accuracy in accuracy or sight acquisition obviously, there is some advantages not enough for the inconvenience. I shoot pretty well with iron, but it makes sense for everything else. I think they’re trying to push red dots because they get paid to push them and everybody likes buying things and having a reason to do it. But I think just like trigger it’s not nearly as needed.
@kidmick809
@kidmick809 Ай бұрын
Sage dynamics did a study to look in to the effectiveness of red dots on pistols for duty/Le. Go read it interesting stuff. I edc two irons and have 3 red dot sighted pistols. My personal belief is not all RDS are created equal the technology is just getting better and better as time goes on the gap will widen. The reason most traditional shooters don’t see a real benefit is the years of training with iron sights greatly superseded any advantage a RDS can give it takes time and the right dot for you to see those advantages. I take a lot of people to the range who have never shot guns before and I have never seen anyone shoot better with irons then they do with dot on their first try. Dots are intuitive and quite frankly when starting from scratch the learning curve is easier.
@jasonriggs3655
@jasonriggs3655 3 ай бұрын
I shot the H9, nowhere near what they are asking for it. $700 gun max
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 3 ай бұрын
I agree. It’s definitely better than a Glock but I’d rather have a Canik, M&P, or X-Macro for the price
@jasonriggs3655
@jasonriggs3655 3 ай бұрын
Got a sub from me, more 365 content please
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 3 ай бұрын
Shalotek reached out to me. So hopefully more of their stuff to review soon and some more testing on my XL and macro now that I own the PMM comp
@BradTheChadBased
@BradTheChadBased Ай бұрын
There’s so many things wrong with the h9 in my opinion. For one why even even have an FCU with no aftermarket not to mention it comes with the metal lower. It just seems like Daniel defense saw how well the P365 is doing and wanted a piece of the pie. But instead of being humble Wilson combat and just improving upon an awesome platform. They literally buy a gun that has issues in completely redo it so they have their own version and even competitive for so many different reasons first of all being the size it’s larger and kinda too big for a CCW. I don’t know who is running these companies, but they make so many blunders. Sig is one of the only companies doing what the gun enthusiast wants.
@josephsmith8391
@josephsmith8391 3 ай бұрын
I know it wasn’t on the list but I am looking into getting a Cz shadow 2 compact for EDC. I was wondering if you would be able to recommend it or to skip out and go for the sig or a different pistol
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 3 ай бұрын
I’ve had a chance to shoot one and it’s a really nice pistol. But for the price I would prefer to stay with the sig X-Macro. I’m a skinny guy and concealing the shadow 2 compact without printing would be difficult for me.
@briandyer6809
@briandyer6809 2 ай бұрын
Do a fair comparison . Use a icarus macro frame not the obsolete Ace elite or even use an EVO but don't compare Apple's to Oranges . Shilotech makes excellent products but the are a copycat brand. Took design ideas from mischief machine and eros of icarus Evo and attempted to combine them. It's better than the original mischief machine and icarus frame but both of those companies have made massive innovation since the original model you compare the flex too. The sentinel XXL slide is an FDEZ copy even the same name with slightly different comp and no porting cut. Like I said I own all three frames and both slides. Honest side by side. Icarus macro with shilotech XXLC Sentinel is the best combo. The flex actually works best paired with the FDEZ XXL Sentinel with ported barrel. Mischief machine frame performs best with the pmm barrel and comp. But best overall setup Icarus macro frame,shilotech XXLC Sentinel slide, DPM recoil kit . Carry use intellifire trigger,range gun MCARBO trigger.
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 2 ай бұрын
I simply don’t have the budget at the moment to compare all of those. I greatly appreciate the feedback and I compared the XL Icarus because it was available and the most common. I have heard from multiple people the new macro size Icarus frame does feel better. I am just not willing to spend $400 to test that, so if they want to send me one to try, I’d be more than happy to compare apples to apples. Shalotek actually made the FDEZ slides so I wouldn’t call that copying. As I write this I’m setting up the cameras to start recording as I upgrade the trigger on one of my FCU’s with the tactical trigger full kit and the Tyrant intellifire trigger.
@briandyer6809
@briandyer6809 2 ай бұрын
@@SmallArmsFirearms I fully understand budget restrictions. Like I said shalotek makes great products frames and slides . I didn't mean to slight there products at all just pointing out the beauty of the p365 platform multiple companies beyond sig driving and pushing each other's innovation to create something sig couldn't even match with the legion model. FCU is the biggest leap for firearms in 50 years. The same applies to 320 . I do hope shalotek or icarus starts working on Springfield Echelon frames soon
@SmallArmsFirearms
@SmallArmsFirearms 2 ай бұрын
@@briandyer6809 110% agree with the FCU part. I have really zero interest in my M&P 2.0 anymore hah. I can’t speak for Shalotek but from what I can tell they have their hands full developing and manufacturing for just the P365 at the moment. And some rumors of new stuff being announced also. I also didn’t get the feeling you were slighting Shalotek at all. But instead giving actual constructive criticism on how I can improve my content. The feedback people give me like that will really help me in the future for videos and I actually do appreciate it.
@DaveandDebe
@DaveandDebe 3 ай бұрын
The DD is total garbage,, we have one in the shop it is criminal. Horrible trigger, sloopy slide, fit and finish is horrible,, stay away
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