Review of the most popular MPPT solar charge controllers up to 40A, plus real-world performance test - EPever Tracer, Renogy Rover (Bluetooth), Victron Smartsolar and Outback (Tracer BN). www.cleanenergyreviews.info/b...
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@TxRiverElf4 жыл бұрын
This is the BEST straightforward and comprehensive video on mppt controller comparison!!
@terryhuybens25003 жыл бұрын
Nice works Jase & Marty. We can always trust you guys for an accurate, non bias, researched review.
@jimmybonifacio67344 жыл бұрын
THanks for the great no frills comparison.
@kevinbreaux67692 жыл бұрын
I have found the Outback Power/ Epever tracerbn to be my favorite controller thus far. Great presentation. Thank you.
@pjwlk4 жыл бұрын
I recently ran into a situation where the SOC shown on my Trimetric 2020 became inaccurate due to repeated deficit charging which we were not aware of. Lessons learned: 1) Don't rely solely on the calculated SOC. 2) Regularly check the Specific Gravity of the battery bank and correct the readings for temperature.
@davidpotter94623 жыл бұрын
Those massive input terminals sold me. Thats my idea of how to do something right...well Ive been looking for which one to buy...Ive got 390 watts now but getting another 300 watts of panels so Ill give it a good testing...thanks for the great video...
@passion-camping-car3 жыл бұрын
a big thank you for your video. 👍👍👍👍 finally a comparison video on a real test bench and a good final comparison.
@darrenmoore56203 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all that information it was great I have already bought a VictronConnect 100/50 for my boat and it turns out I made the right choice thank you very much
@wa8khp-4684 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT review, testing setup and charts for showing all of the results. I have the Victron 150/35 that U tested and the Victron BMV-712. Both of these items are going into my DIY Solar Generator. Hope to have a video on this project up in the next 6 months. It will use external Battle Born 100A 12v batteries. This project is being designed for my Amateur radio. Looking forward to more of UR great videos.
@dennisclark87664 жыл бұрын
I have watched so many videos and I must say this is the best I've seen. Good camera work, good focus and you sir are a good teacher. Thanks for sharing with us.
@chronobot20012 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. It is obvious you put a lot of effort into making a very clear and thoughtful presentation. 100% Thank you for doing this.
@leoclarkin59444 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, especially comparing price point and product quality , thx
@John-gm8ty4 жыл бұрын
the BN series also has a wireless and bluetooth adaptor options for data collection direct to pc, tablet and mac.
@fratermus55023 жыл бұрын
Works with the A-series, too.
@vasaoz4 жыл бұрын
you are an excellent bloke, I wish you a great time and hope to see many of your videos in near future. Thanks for your work, its a beautiful and well displayed/ analysed review.
@cleanenergyreviews3 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly. Much appreciated
@piconano Жыл бұрын
Superb comparison videos. You made my decision easy. Went with a Victron 100/20 for my bike camper trailer. Only $25 more compared to Rover+ optional BT module, but the app and small size is worth it. Thanks.
@OverlandTheAmericas4 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Very helpful thank you. 👍🏼
@SCOTE9913 жыл бұрын
Good concise review, maybe should have started the test with the battery at a lower SOC than 86% to see how the victron stabilised, likely it calculated the watts incorrectly because it hit the max voltage quickly. I have an Epever AN, was debating between BN and that. Did not think BN was worth the extra cash money. Very happy with AN. I had a Votronic controller before and it had flaws, like draining battery in low light level 1.5A, in the end it failed completely so I don't recommend those.
@lvstreeter4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info good video I ended up buying the Epever 30a I'm a beginner at solar and this one seems the most practical and I've seen it in other videos
@william380223 жыл бұрын
LV Streeter How do you like it???I believe that’s a tracer???I’m still using an old 40 amp 4210 mppt tracer probably five or six years old now or more ??? I had it in a box in the cupboard,,,I bought two of them years ago from Renorgy solar,,,I used one until it went out and then I decided to try a Renorgy commander 60 amp didn’t last very long,,,and when my Renorgy commander 60 amp went out after only about a year(and Renorgy solar would not make it right they said it was barely out of warranty but it was out of warranty and they would not do anything I even offered to pay half the cost on another new one or send it in and have it fixed at my expense and they were not interested in the least they did not.) so I used my old tracer 4210,,, it was a few years old by then however it was still new it had been in the box in the cupboard and I pressed it into service and it still works good however I know I’m going to have to replace it sooner or later and they stopped making that particular model,,,soooo,,,I have looked at the EP ever tracers and wonder if there as good as my old 4210????
@CosmicSeeker693 жыл бұрын
@@william38022 no
@gospower-energy3 жыл бұрын
@@william38022 Thanks for your comments, we would like to recommend XTRA 40 amps for you.
@jefftucker92253 жыл бұрын
I'm very new to solar, I bought the smaller 10 amp tracer to go with a 50w panel, mainly due to price and reviews, once I feel more comfortable about solar and learn the in's and out's I will probably upgrade to a victron with more panels, but for a starter learning I think the Tracer is the way to go before investing to much money
@nickgood81662 жыл бұрын
too
@Kosmonooit3 жыл бұрын
The Victron is a top quality product - also that VE Bus means it can talk to a Venus ... and now we are talking!
@travisb.80053 жыл бұрын
After I put you on pause to make sure I didn't have a low battery chirp on a CO/Fire Alarm all was good. It took a second to confirm it was you.
@wesleyofficer12373 жыл бұрын
I am AMAZED that Outback Power rebranded a Chinese MPPT unit. *That said, I install Outback/Midnite/Schneider equipment, but I use EPEVER equipment myself. I just works, and the price is good.
@gospower-energy3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comments, Wesley
@koborkutya7338 Жыл бұрын
I like it because it brings the lower price while still providing the local support that is often missing for other Chinese brands.
@cjoth3 жыл бұрын
As a solar charge controller newbie, this helped a bunch! Thanks, going with Victron for quality and accuracy, along with the very advanced app and minimalism (don't need load control or a display so I don't see it as a con for me).
@bobby19703 жыл бұрын
MorningStar is also a good controller.
@nigelshindler63343 жыл бұрын
There's no excuse for lack of at least a minimal display on a controller of this cost, you can't always rely on apps/bluetooth etc and it's not always convenient to get out your mobile and fire up a special app anyway.
@veysher37562 жыл бұрын
@@nigelshindler6334 Honestly Victron setups generally encompass a display unit elsewhere anyhow, makes no sense to have a display on every part of a system.
@nigelshindler63342 жыл бұрын
@@veysher3756 indeed, and that is part of their master plan, why just sell one stand alone item when you can sell a whole set of things! But most canal boats, for example, don't have space for four different boxes to do one job so we like to have at least a minimal display on a solar controller. If there is Bluetooth as well that's a bonus.
@veysher37562 жыл бұрын
@@nigelshindler6334 Although that's fair, the amount of information the Victron setups provide in my opinion is worth all the parts an extra work involved.
@nlo1143 жыл бұрын
I run the EpEver 4210A (40A) controller into a 24V battery, with 1140W of mono panels in parallel. This has worked well for the last 3 years, and provides 50% of my domestic power, using an EpEver STI 1000-230-24 pure sine low frequency conversion 230VAC inverter. It took a lot of reading specs to arrive at this choice before committing to buy. I like this review, it is neat and well set-out, but does not take into account the specifications of the individual units running at their intended power levels: There seems to be a fixation with maximum voltage, rather than conversion efficiency. The statement of maximum panel-voltage is like your car's speedo or tacho - it shows what it can instantaneously do, not what you should stick to all day long. From the performance graphs in the manual of the 'tracer', it can be seen that maximum efficiency happens when the panel/battery voltage differential is lowest, as long as it fits within the spec. My panel's MPP is at 36.6V, which is 8V above the battery voltage; the efficiency of the system tests at between 96.5% with high input voltage, and 98% at the lower input voltage. Higher efficiency = lower losses = less heat = better reliability. 1.5% of 1000W is 15W, enough to raise the temperature of the system significantly in a hot environment. The only reason for high I/P volts is if there is a long run from panels to MPPT unit. My system can run at 70% continuously, with allowance for cloud-edge peaks and temperature drops. For the purpose of the exercise, I'd like to see this review done again, after study of the manufacturer's data is taken into the equation.
@calvinhobbs892 жыл бұрын
Lmao u just told him to redo his review correctly lmao , thanks for your professional insight , an pointing out what actually needs to be discussed an how important it really is
@stevesidare24932 жыл бұрын
Looks like you went through some trouble to present this video. Thank you and well done! This data was helpful!
@BenMitro4 жыл бұрын
That was a good but imperfect review. One comment, you need to draw current roughly equal to how much your are putting out to compare the controllers fairly. As it stands, it could be the SOC of the batteries that determined the performance of the controllers, not the controllers themselves. Regardless, thank you - its not practical to get all four controllers and do this comparison ourselves.
@AurumFaber3 жыл бұрын
True, batteries are my limited now. I have 400 watts of panels, but the most power input I have seen was 200w. And that was only after I got a new battery installed. I have the 40amp renogy.
@ZenInnovations4 жыл бұрын
Hey Jason! That was some good info!
@raystone46734 жыл бұрын
The lower indicated Renogy voltage reading is concerning, especially with only current to power it flowing. Because all your wiring is not visible, putting the voltmeter up on the regulators terminal screws instead of on the battery, would be undeniable proof of a problem. That eliminates any installation suspicions, since you did mention it was hard to get wires in and holes were small.
@MyKRAIT Жыл бұрын
Hi, Thank you for this video-test. It was very usefull for me when I was wondering to choose between epever and victron. :)
@rossawood5075 Жыл бұрын
I've been using Outback FM 60 and FM 80's for many years now on several differing systems, they are excellent controllers and give the user vast control over many parameters. Interestingly Outback have a fixed price repair or refurbishment service if one does inadvertently disconnect battery bank from system with 65 amps coming in from the solar side. They even paid the return freight from the West Coast USA to East Coast Australia, Far Northern NSW. Very good quality and very reliable units IMO, and worth the higher price, buy well buy once!
@jacobgreen6939 Жыл бұрын
i heard they suck since made in India. plus I heard customer service sux. that's why I'm on the fence.
@MichaelAngeloTech Жыл бұрын
@@jacobgreen6939Victron is also made in India.
@stephensang25883 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. This is exactly what I was looking for as I was thinking of buying one of these units.
@berns18534 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Better cover your panels when u connect/disconnect. I have 3 different tracers including the new tirion. They all make a light high pitch sound when there is no charge. Annoying when there is 1 in the garden house
@VirtualPapercuts3 жыл бұрын
Good video. Also, the Renogy has 12 months data logging built in. The Victron SmartSolar only has 30 days; and you need a separate logger (eLog01) if you have the EPEver Tracer AN/BN or Triron. Makes a difference if you want to see how much power you are producing over the year.
@wesleyofficer12373 жыл бұрын
I have a Tracer AN (30a) and it logs more than a years (average production) data internally, and it can be viewed through the MT-50 display. But it's just the average as far as I know.
@VirtualPapercuts3 жыл бұрын
@@wesleyofficer1237 Thanks, handy to know about the functionality in the MT-50 display. I never purchased one for my Triron. I've since moved to an all Victron system but I'll keep the MT-50 in mind if I even need to switch back.
@mnambio66 Жыл бұрын
@@wesleyofficer1237 my victron 100/50 has a data stored since day one 7 months ago, happy to see the lifetime total of over 200kWh so far and also all the monitoring history and trends
@NclsVer4 жыл бұрын
Victron all the way. Have two thin film panels on the roof of my Land Cruiser with a Victron charge controller , lithium battery and inverter (Victron as well). The MPPT is uuuuultra fast. I observe the output while driving and see how quickly it adjusts going below bridges or in shaded areas of trees etc. Tested in Mozambique with 45 deg C outside and in Lesotho at 2500 m or in winter at -3, also had one day water coming in the box, everything was wet: still working like a charm!
@timmyinthewell12 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of getting the 150/35 Victron , but do you know what they meant in this video where it showed the list of "cons" and listed "no load control" please? I don't know what that means ?
@petertomas36652 жыл бұрын
@@timmyinthewell1 Hi Kevin. The no load control is completly faulse. As a matter of fact the controller has the most sophisticated and advanced control on load port as well as to the rest of parameters too. I link you a video i found to see how the load controls are on even the smaller controler 75/15. They all use the same software. I believe the producer of this video here said by mistake it has no control on load port or maybe i didint understand well because english isnt my first language. Anyhow i link you this video in case it might help you. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eqdijJOC2bvQgqs.html
@photog1529 Жыл бұрын
Lots of good information. Since I have limited space in my vehicle's battery compartment, I decided to go with the Victron unit due to its small footprint as well as its performance.
@IlBuono19903 жыл бұрын
Another advantage of the victron is his size compared to the others, in my installation i could not have fitted a bigger mppt
@alanjohnston67224 жыл бұрын
Epever now has bluetooth and wifi modules available. There is also a lithium charging software available.
@legendfpv3 жыл бұрын
China vs NL what more do you need to know
@MTechOver9000 Жыл бұрын
@@legendfpvlol, Victron is made in India
@cleanenergyreviews4 жыл бұрын
Learn more about how MPPT solar charge controllers work here - www.cleanenergyreviews.info/blog/mppt-solar-charge-controllers * Use these timestamps links to skip to the relevant sections: @7:56 - Start real-world performance testing @11:45 - Test results @13:11 - Overall comparison and rankings @13:58 - Measuring battery SOC using a DC shunt - Victron BMV programming and Peukerts constant explained
@timburge70874 жыл бұрын
A few points to note with the Rover MPPT controller: 1. With all loads going out of the devices load terminals the SOC feature could theoretically be somewhat accurate for this MPPT if it calculated the data it has access to, as it could be calculating all incoming and all outgoing power, the output load terminals are rated 20 amps he states, so if you were wanting a decent size inverter or other load/s you could not have it on those terminals. 2. when the Rover had a reading of 12.5volts (0.2 volts below the others) it would have been correct to measure the voltage to the MPPT at the terminals of the device itself to rule out voltage drop in the cable and or cable terminations, not measure at the battery. Another helpful test would be to calculate the MPPTs running power consumptions. I personally recommend the Victron battery monitors, especially when you have invested a lot in your battery bank. My background: I live off-grid, I design and install small solar systems, and I am a Registered Electrician. Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
@cleanenergyreviews4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment. Yes, we did double check all connections and measure the voltage at the controller terminals as well. The measurement was always 0.2V below the others (there is another commenter here who also said they found the same problem with a Rover MPPT, so it isn't an isolated incident). All controllers had the roughly the same length of cable and no loads were present.
@easydiy2242 жыл бұрын
New subbie. That Renogy Rover Li 40 gives out inaccurate voltage readings for LiFePO4 batteries. I'm using it without a shunt and it's a hassel trying to figure out the SOC. I really need a shunt. Great video 👍
@richardsandwell22852 жыл бұрын
One really BIG TURN OFF for me is when they are starting to link these units via APPs to smartphones. I am happy with my two old Tracer units which merely display information and can be programmed manually.
@koborkutya7338 Жыл бұрын
agreed, I don't like that in Victron at all.
@Marley-ii6ls Жыл бұрын
Yes Keep it simple
@johnthompson3643 Жыл бұрын
Lol, more control and data visibility is a turn off for you?!? 😅
@FTVG_inc Жыл бұрын
Complete opposite for me, I need to monitor my solar from work a couple times per day to make sure everything is running smoothly.
@mojavegold- Жыл бұрын
I had very good success with the Renogy Tracer MPPT units as well - but switched over to the 40A Rover units when I upgraded my battery bank, as the Tracers aren't compatible with LiFePo4 batteries. As mentioned in the video, I also noticed an offset from the Rover display to actual measured battery voltage.
@mmtruckingllc6574 жыл бұрын
Very good information!
@ralph99874 жыл бұрын
Great . Can you please now do a review of all charge controllers that are suitable for marine use
@Spoonfed784 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison. It would be great to see partially shaded performance. In my experience this is where some fall flat on their face, especially with a high voltage panel setup.
@cleanenergyreviews4 жыл бұрын
Yes, we planned to do a partially shaded comparison but unfortunately ran out of time and the weather turned. This is where MPPT tracking speed and accuracy will make a big difference. (I'd expect Victron to perform the best out of this group under partially shaded conditions)
@niccatipay4 жыл бұрын
Rule of thumb: More series = More voltage Do not use series if you expect shading.
@colosistvan Жыл бұрын
So 12V panels are less less sensitive to shading caused MPPT fluctuation vs 48V or higher?
@Spoonfed78 Жыл бұрын
My comment related to a single high voltage panel LG panel and direct comparison Victron to Enerdrive where the Victron was far superior with partial shading to the Enerdrive, which tell me it's more about the MPPT's ability not high vs low voltage panels etc. Maybe Enerdrive is better on 12v panels but given Victron does exceptionally well on a high voltage, simply means they did more R&D and built a superior product in that regard.
@jamiemitchell98044 жыл бұрын
The maximum solar input for all these controllers is also a very good feature as some of these are designed current limiting features which mean you can use more solar than what they are rated at great feature for cloudy weather or when there is shade
@cleanenergyreviews2 жыл бұрын
Yes, oversizing the solar is very common these days. Generally, 20% oversize is considered safe However, only a few models, such as those Victron, allow oversizing without affecting the warranty. Other models which don't specifically approve oversizing solar may be damaged, so be careful and check the spec sheets.
@fc4362 жыл бұрын
@@cleanenergyreviews epever says that with their controller you can oversize PV until to 1.5x the rated power of controller. This is in alla epever manual. In old tracer-A models until 2x the rated power!
@headsandtailsheadsandtails43133 жыл бұрын
Going to buy a Renogy in a couple of weeks based on different reviews they seem a good unit,hoping that one was just slightly calibrated wrong,and anyhows been using solar for a good 15yrs now so not worried about that slight difference, and will be running 400watts at 100v for winter so won't affect me..buying Renogy on price and the fact one reviewer opened unit up and inside was quality build..all best
@VirtualPapercuts3 жыл бұрын
Good choice. The Renogy has 12 months data logging built in. The Victron SmartSolar only has 30 days; and you'd need an entirely separate logger (eLog01) if you want any history for the EPEver Tracer AN/BN or Triron. Makes a difference if you want to see how much power you are producing over the year.
@bover863 жыл бұрын
Did you buy the renogy? If so, what's the quality and performance like?
@clivestamp18914 жыл бұрын
Guarantees and actual costs would have helped also global availability thanks
@_DEX_-3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful! Thanks!
@richardbennington62892 жыл бұрын
The biggest gain using MPPT, IMHO, is when it is cold out, or you have panels with good shaded performance(on panel bypass diodes) and/or you have a high Vmp on your panels. I have observed that magical 25% to 30% improvement over PWM. Your single static setting does not cover those use cases.
@getubelogin3 жыл бұрын
Its true to say the Victron unit doesn't have a display, but thats not surprising as its designed to be used in conjunction with bluetooth and a mobile phone!
@johnq87923 жыл бұрын
Excellent set-up and testing
@ElectricCarAustralia3 жыл бұрын
Love my Outback Solar 80 amp flexmax MPPT 😃
@HDXFH3 жыл бұрын
I use renogy 60 amp and 100 amp units, great units, both support lifePo4 too
@wesleyblake8552 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation I have a victron 100/50 and 2 x350w solar panels, but only 1 on my caravan roof so far, the max watts it has gone to is only 190watts which I thought it would have been more, so I am going to put the second panel up. My question to you is over 5 meters what size cable I need to join and run the cable to the controller from the panels, as the controller might not fit the diameter of the cable that is needed for the 500watts all though it handles 500 watts? thanks Wes
@AH-wn6dw2 жыл бұрын
Awesome test. Very clear & informative
@sol.green.energy95154 жыл бұрын
Great review. Where do you get those switches you have on the solar panels coming in?
@cleanenergyreviews4 жыл бұрын
They are 2 pole DC circuit breakers (20A rating). These are quite easy to source in Australia from a number of suppliers. Noark are the best known manufacturer. www.noark-electric.eu/en/products/Installation_devices/DC_Miniature_Circuit_Breakers_Ex9BD
@jamiemitchell98044 жыл бұрын
We have single pole DC rated circuit breakers in ax DC voltage 250 don't use the ones 500cdc max not suitable for low voltage system www.jgmdirect.com
@ejdd344211 ай бұрын
Great Video, I purchased this controller (60 AMP Rover essentially ) for my boat and am OK with it. I use it to keep 400 AH lithium batteries charged, monitor with the BT2. My energy consumers use relatively low amperage except for the 12 volt fridge and that is somewhat low. My only issue is the Load terminals, they do not output voltage they are in the off mode all the time. It seems like the design is to output voltage when the panels are not powered (night), this makes no sense to me, unless you are simply using it for a timer after the panels stop producing. I thought the purpose of load is to use surplus energy when the batteries are topped off, that would be a great idea since the solar panels would not have any use for the solar energy after the batteries are at 100%+.
@stuartdavies83884 жыл бұрын
Epever Tracer AN is by far the best of this bunch, especially when used in conjunction with the PC Monitoring Software. Cost, features and build quality are great and the reason I use 3 of them myself..
@cleanenergyreviews4 жыл бұрын
They are very good value for money I must agree. Great for small systems but the 40A model used here is not suitable for larger systems with Voc over 100V, or if you want to use a modern 48V battery system.
@stuartdavies83884 жыл бұрын
@@cleanenergyreviews I have a 48v, 100A Tracer 10420AN 200V PV Charge Controller that has been working flawlessly for the past 3 years in my home.I also have a 12v 30A in my RV and a 24v 40A in my cabin, both working flawlessly for almost 5 years. They are excellent controllers considering their cost.
@gospower-energy3 жыл бұрын
@@stuartdavies8388 Thanks for supporting EPever, yes, You are right, we have Tracer AN 50-100amps,12/24/36/48VDC, 150V and 200V for a big system, also support parallel up to 6 units
@hafizaamirhayat5674 жыл бұрын
Sir price for the mppt kantrolar
@kristopher26512 жыл бұрын
Good info however, for clarification, the Renogy Rover does not always come with the Bluetooth dongle. You got the kit. The dongle must otherwise be purchased separately.
@mr.c4u2744 жыл бұрын
I am putting together a solar well pump system to feed a pond. I have a 305 watt, 9.28 A, short-circuit current 9.85 A good(Max overcurrent reading 20 amp), 32.9 V rated current, 40 volt open circuit mono panel and plan on getting a 280W 24V/48V Solar Powered Deep Well Submersible Pump 60M Lift Water Pump with a 12V/24V/48V MPPT Controller, I don't intend to use batteries but run directly off this panel during daylight hours. Question being should I get the 24 V or 48 V pump and will these 3 components all work together?
@toolate6971 Жыл бұрын
Good test setup. Were those solar panels in the background used for the test?
@gamedev12713 жыл бұрын
you should compare them, mmpt vs some pwm in different conditions
@TerrydeAlaska4 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting if you showed the difference between a PWM and NPPT charge controller in your set up sometime....thanks
@maryalobo12874 жыл бұрын
I use renology with no complaints
@AurumFaber3 жыл бұрын
Other than the almost non-existent "equalizer" mode. I have only seen it twice in two years.
@jeanie523 жыл бұрын
When testing mppt controlers they should also test them for radio interference. My Epever 10a wipes out radio reception with in 100 feet of it.
@DupczacyBawol3 жыл бұрын
Use a shield. A shield may be of aluminium foil or ask a fellow specialist ;)
@schwellenzaehler45873 жыл бұрын
@@DupczacyBawol, it should come shielded by the builder, but electrical rules cares in China not. You cover a solar charger with aluminium foil ??? Thats a idiotic a solution........ 😱 Then the charger will die very quick, at overtemperature, thats for shure.
@moestrei3 жыл бұрын
Are they all with a fan? I prefer fanless. Got 3 cheapos with fans even running in cloudy weather and one failing already. Same for inverters. Fan only in overload but not for regular operation.
@bellybutthole4 жыл бұрын
Smoke detector battery low?
@psychicmind93 жыл бұрын
Hi sir, My solar panel rated as 300watt. Voltage 36, Amp 9 However, my portable power station support only 24v and 10A (mppt controller). May i know, can i use the solar panel with my power station? Let say Goal Zero yeti 400, jackery and so on.
@checkingoutgypsymike20753 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you use the epever in your 150/60 review? I'm looking into mppt cc and i see a lot of support for the epever for those on a budget, is the epever just not a good enoug controller in the bigger size.... I can afford the victron, but i like the tracer because of it's wire connections. Can't find it in a 60a though lol. So when it comes down to the victron wire connections being just as poor as the epever, im wondering if the price being doubled for the victron is worth it? Also on amazon the promote buying a victron battery protector? Is that not part of epevers unit but built into victron? I'll research and see if i can find my answers but thought id ask and see if you know. Watched both videos, really great easy to understand content. Much appreciated, God bless!!
@johanna.browne4 ай бұрын
Question, being 5 days into portable solar, we have 2 x 100ah deep cycle batteries (not lithium.), connected in parallel. Using the victron smart shunt, battery 1 minus to tje bat minus on the shunt and all system loads connected after it on the system minus Positive from bat 1 to pos bat 2 and system loads connected via bat 2 pos. Also the smart shut pos connected to bat 2 In the Victron app, I set the bat capacity to 200ah Do I need to configure the aux to the value of mid point or leave it as none? I'm assuming using this setting is for when 2 batteries are connected in series maybe? Victron isn't clear on this in their instructions When I set it to mid, I got a high-voltage alarm. Do I need to connect the aux pos to the pos of outgoing positive load on bat 2, or bat 1 pos, or not use the aux monitoring at all?
@GroovyVideo24 жыл бұрын
Ive been using a Victron for 4 yrs - works Great - Very adjustable and app is awesome - wire clamps kind of small tho
@MrJohnyfalco4 жыл бұрын
GroovyVideo2 I agree about the wire clamps. Too small
@ReviewsandTech2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video and comparison truly, now does the Victron support LifePo4 as well? Thank you so much as you have put so much into this video, Excellent.
@cleanenergyreviews2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yes, Victron supports LifePo4 battery systems and has multiple charging options suited to different LFP batteries.
@ReviewsandTech2 жыл бұрын
@@cleanenergyreviews Excellent, thank you so much as I am building my own 12v 100AH off grid power station, I am probably going to get the Victron as I have heard a lot of good things about it for a while, cheers buddy.
@nithishkumarreddy7562 жыл бұрын
what was the bluetooth battery level sensor used at 5:21
@stevemcgowan30173 жыл бұрын
hi.i have 290 watts solar on my camper van roof.i use 100watt fixed panel connected to epever mppt 10amp to mt50.then 30watt x3 panels to renogy rover 20amp mppt connected bluetooth and just bought epever mppt tracer 10amp will connect to another mt50..I have been using the renogy bluetooth app to read battery voltages .its not far off on readings.you said your renogy was reading low.?steve
@suataydemir9144 Жыл бұрын
Hello, there is a 20amp mppt charge control. Is it efficient to connect 4 50 watt panels in parallel or in series with 44 volts in 2 groups, the system is 12 volts?
@Wallabynge3 жыл бұрын
I wish there was an ideal one. The Victron 100/50 gets bouncy under 6A, also confused by clouds under 36W, confused by clouds fooling it into float. The Outback, EPEver is very robust, but often gets confused by high temperature panels, and ends up doing MPPT just above battery voltage. It's infuriating to lose half your power. But its slowwwwness means it's not confused by cloudy weather.
@cleanenergyreviews3 жыл бұрын
Just so you know, when the panel temperature increase the Vmp drops, this is normal. If you only have panels connected in parallel then on a very hot day the panel voltage (Vmp) might drop close or even below to the battery absorption voltage. If this happens often then it might be worth rearranging the panels into series then parallel (depending on the Max Voc of the MPPT)
@shawncell12472 жыл бұрын
will it work with only 22 volt input from solar ??
@crunchied85 ай бұрын
with this testing wonder who would do good mppt vs pwm
@drdiesel14 жыл бұрын
I have two Victrons and an Epever. No question the Victron is of much higher quality, tons of options and a 5 year warranty.
@serious-rc9334 жыл бұрын
And cost tons more money
@Ropetangler3 жыл бұрын
@Citizen Smith and Serious-RC Yes the Victron costs more but over its lifetime it could well be cheaper, and in the meantime you have more capability and more reliability and in Australia at least they have a great attitude to keeping the customer happy.
@fratermus55023 жыл бұрын
I like the option where they screwed up auto-absorption duration feature for over a year, under-absorbing lead batts due to intermittent shade confusing the algorithm, couldn't resolve the issue with patches, and caused sulfation / battery damage. See their own forum for discussions and evidence. I hope they have it under control with new firmware. If not, take manual control of Absorption duration.
@simonsimon98803 жыл бұрын
So, if the victron has no load control, is there an easy way around that, other than just closely monitoring the batteries? Do any of the various shunt battery monitors also offer load control?
@cleanenergyreviews3 жыл бұрын
Yes, with a shunt like the BMV the system can easily monitor consumption. For example, the Victron VRM calculates the (AC / DC) loads by looking at the balance between generation and battery consumption.
@tastiger914 жыл бұрын
Nice experiment. Where might these be best found at the moment?
@jasonsvarc44244 жыл бұрын
Try solar equipment wholesalers, eBay, Amazon, and many online stores.
@headsandtailsheadsandtails43133 жыл бұрын
Ebay, Amazon..
@wadethomason88202 жыл бұрын
Hi mate. Thanks for a great vid. Can you tell me if the outback tracer is compatable with lithium batterys. And where can I purchase 1 in Australia? cheers
@cleanenergyreviews2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, most of the new tracer models have lithium battery options and settings. In Australia, most people purchase Epever products through online stores like eBay.
@CATips4 жыл бұрын
Great demonstrate...
@cutweldngrind3 жыл бұрын
My panels have a VOC or 37 but are all testing at 33V lately. I have a 2kw array so looking into controllers.
@cleanenergyreviews3 жыл бұрын
How old are the panels? The Voc will depend on the local solar irradiance levels. This can vary throughout the year and will reduce when the panels are hot or if there is a lot of smoke or haze in the area.
@cutweldngrind3 жыл бұрын
@@cleanenergyreviews Thanks. The Voc seemed lower that the ones my friends bought but it was cooler and 4 months earlier. I'm in South Texas and I ran some test using some watt meters, I registered about 220 to 230 watts on them. The VOC was 33 and when I applied water to cool the panel it rose to 35v. The age of panels is unknown but I should get a good amount of power from them.
@RomeoEdward4 жыл бұрын
Great review, I learned a lot. Question though, why did you use the older Epever Tracer AN model instead of the newer Triron series.
@cleanenergyreviews4 жыл бұрын
We decided to compare the four 'most popular' 40A charge controllers currently on the market. The Triron series is very similar to the AN series but has a much better display and a few extra features.
@mteca50934 жыл бұрын
Nice vid
@crixussher93563 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. i have a question there are certain type of MPPT Charge controller some of them are 30A some of them 50A some of them 70A. can you please tell us what that means. is that means that it can support more batteries to charge ? or it can support more PV's ?
@cleanenergyreviews3 жыл бұрын
Higher Current (A) charge controllers can be used with larger solar arrays to charge larger battery systems - Read all about how they work here - www.cleanenergyreviews.info/blog/mppt-solar-charge-controllers
@DO5MZ3 жыл бұрын
EPEVER has a slow MPPT in the morning ist the battery current under 1.5A runs in PWM mode and need maximum 1h to jump in MPPT mode, is the battery current again under 1.5A runs in PWM again. My setup was a Tracer 3210 and a 235W from Mage Solar loging with Arduino to Thinverse
@william380223 жыл бұрын
I have looked at some Victron energy charge controllers they are quite expensive however I have heard good reviews
@dyslectische3 жыл бұрын
victron have more mppt trackers the cheap one is 180 euro model victron mppt 100/30 (you have the smartsolar and the bluesolar one model have Bluetooth
@william380223 жыл бұрын
sebastiaan suijkerbuijk what Victron energy MPPT charge controller should I choose for about 700 to 800 Watts of solar panels?
@dyslectische3 жыл бұрын
@@william38022 for 800 watt solar panel it's about 66amp on 12 volt and 33amp on 24 volt or 17amp on 48volt battery packs . So really only on model will do it www.victronenergy.nl/solar-charge-controllers/smartsolar mppt ve.can It's a Dutch company victron lol.
@william380223 жыл бұрын
sebastiaan suijkerbuijk thanks
@andrewradford39534 жыл бұрын
Ran over my Victron with a 7.5 ton excavator. Warped but still works!
@samnr27234 жыл бұрын
Amazing😂
@gabrielmartinez31714 жыл бұрын
I snugged up my wire on those cheap tiny inputs and broke my victron. Went with a rich solar renogy clone much better input terminals.
@bobbywright84313 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@Schmitz33 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielmartinez3171 So you downgraded
@gabrielmartinez31713 жыл бұрын
@@Schmitz3 less expensive for sure but its been working great plus I technically getting more amps 30 amp vs 40 amp amp I did oversize my PV system a little on the victron the rich solar handles it great. The rich solar also using the bluetooth BT-1 adapter connects quickly let's me check pv production daily, weekly, monthly let's me set all battery perameters. Will it last as long as the victron I dont know in my case the victron didn't last even getting connected. If your happy with your victron good for you.
@5885ronny3 жыл бұрын
Gute Infos weiter so 😊👍
@Retiredkiwi4 жыл бұрын
are you aware yo can get a wifi option for epever - Model: eBox-WiFi-01, and a bluetooth one as well - eBox-BLE-01, really you should have compared all using the same method. Also surprised you did not test them all for performance and operating temperature near full input current, as i am thinking the tiny size heat sink on the victron, compared to the ones on all the other 3, could well be an issue. Seems unlikely to me, that the other 3 had large ones for no reason.
@69indigoblue3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great video comparison. In the end, they are all very similar in terms of perfomance. Would go with victron due to its massive positive reviews on the net.
@cleanenergyreviews3 жыл бұрын
Yes, personally I would consider Victron to be the best quality out of the 4 options. It also has a 5-year warranty and by far the best app-based setup and monitoring platform.
@einfelder82624 жыл бұрын
Great review. I have a 4WD with start batteries (2 in parallel to support winching) and an AGM house battery. The vehicle is infrequently used and I need a solar system to charge the house battery but also maintain the start batteries. Can you do a review comparing Epever DuoRacer and CTEK D250SE . Both can do this, with the CTEK also able to accept alternator charge to the hose battery. The Epever does not specify that it can accept alternator charge; maybe it can't as it's half the price of the CTEK. Edit: EPEVER tech support confirmed it can't but have passed on my suggestion to enhance it so it can to their developers.
@rawiridixon44303 жыл бұрын
Get a dc to DC charger for the aux crank and get a battery link switch for starting. And get a dcdc for the rear aux . Both with solar , solar panels for each charger
@einfelder82623 жыл бұрын
@@rawiridixon4430 I now habe built my solution. My 2 crank batteries are in parallel. A Redarc duo Solar controller charges the starter batteries 90% and house batteries 10% from the solar panel. Then, when the ignition is on/engine running, a relay disconnects the solar panel and the alternator charges the crank batteries, and the house batteries via a DC- DC charger. Working perfectly.
@rawiridixon44303 жыл бұрын
@@einfelder8262 when you say the solar controller charges all 3 batteries , first of all are all the batteries the exact same? Or Is the rear aux an AGM sealed
@rawiridixon44303 жыл бұрын
All of them the same ah and chemistry because it won't charge the agm well
@einfelder82623 жыл бұрын
@@rawiridixon4430 Start batteries are calcium, use the same profile as AGM, so all batteries charge properly, or near enough.
@andrewf.78133 жыл бұрын
Does this controller make it possible to automatically switch (seemlessly) from solar power to mains power while a 220V device is connected to the inverter? Thank you! (edit: seeing the terminal on the devices, there is no mains connection so I guess switching to mains in not possible)
@cleanenergyreviews3 жыл бұрын
No, these are not inverters. These are DC-DC solar charge controllers. Here is more information about (grid-interactive) and off-grid inverters... www.cleanenergyreviews.info/blog/2015/7/1/hybrid-interactive-and-solar-inverter-combination
@twothesstwoone4 жыл бұрын
any idea what is the difference between the EPEVER itracer and the etracer
@gospower-energy4 жыл бұрын
Hi Itracer built-with DC output loading, etracer without DC output loading .
@johnwolf1475 Жыл бұрын
IS THE TEMP SENSOR A SHUT OFF? FOR LITHIUM BATTERIOES
@danmco23663 жыл бұрын
Thanks for nice review,
@arturogalindo4430 Жыл бұрын
Good video, but curious if anyone has tested which unit has the least RFI noise.
@frans_d798911 ай бұрын
I had the same problems with RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) generated by Chinese equipment. It just blanked out my shortwave radio that I used to communicate in emergencies. I had to replace the charge controller, the DC to DC converter and the 230V inverter to Victron as they were the only ones that abided by the RFI rules and regulations set by the telecommunication authority.