Respect your opinion as you have ridden far more bikes than I have, but feel the Ducati Supersport is in same ball park and has more bhp than the Aprilla although heavier and both are lovely looking, I'm biased prefer my Ducati, Cheers.

@@debenhamdave4314 I love when I find a person like you, who disagrees with someone else, but are respectful in the comments section. Cheers! ✌️

@@edmaluf thank you, always respectful of others, even when I'm right lol, Cheers edmaluf

@@debenhamdave4314 Lol! In this particular case, I do believe you are right. Cheers, mate!

@@edmaluf yes love the Ducati Supersport modest 113bhp but looks fantastic has panniers and a mapped Termignoni , appreciate your comments.

He’s the best , cuts to the chase and knows his stuff.

What do you mean? When do you feel like things were at the correct state ?

@@Fee.1 I would say somewhere in the mid 80's-mid 90's. Since then actual gains have been poor but power gains have been high. The engines aren't being made better overall - just tuned harder for more rpm and higher top end power.

@@siraff4461 how do you define actual gains ?

@@Fee.1 You see that attitude is the exact problem. Numbers on paper are the easy way to say something is better because it makes more power everywhere. The problem comes when you don't need or want that more power everywhere or it makes things like throttle pick up, low rpm/power requirement and such worse. Even the chassis attitude of the bike - people used to use things like cbr600's as sport - tourers but the later ones are basically track bikes with lights. Don't get me wrong - there is a place for that and if you want a nice, vicious bike its great. Trouble is for most road riding it makes for an overall worse experience and it makes me wish they would just make a road version which has smoother throttle pick up, suspension tuned for bumps and corners rather than billiard board smooth tracks only and a torque/gearing curve which allows you to use more of the bike all the time without needing 12,000rpm and at least 60mph in 1st gear to do it. Twins became popular for a reason - more of their torque on tap from lower down and while they make less top end power most road riders don't miss it as they don't ride at the redline anyway. This is also why triple's are getting popular but take a minute to think - one of the most popular engines at the moment is the Yamaha triple in the MT-09. It makes as near as makes no difference the same power as an early Fireblade which also had a big torque curve and was the best selling bike for a while. Screaming 600's making similar power just aren't selling.

First and foremost the OP is correct but i think the main reason why and especially in the states for the 600s dying is cost. Plain and simple I’m not buying a 16k R6 when i can get a 1000 for a few more bucks, nevermind the fact the 1000s are getting most of the love & R&D, after 10 years the 600s are stuck in 2010 while we got engines making 200whp stock So from a performance perspective nevermind used sales the 600s are dead

Good choice! Love the CBR650R!

I've had the 2020 for two months now and honestly doubt I will ever get rid of it

That's a great choice,,, CBR 650 is many times better in reliability plus you will get an inline 4 engine that sounds lot better you can squeeze more performance on it. It's cheeper too,,, way much practical and easygoing bike.

I really wonder if a RS660 Factory will be a thing... we assume that Aprilia will do this but I’m not convinced they could at a price point that wouldn’t be ridiculous... if they do I suspect it might be a limited edition...

@@davidgibson7234 You may well be right. I'm living in hope more than banking on it really. I guesstimated it would cost about £1500 more based on other manufacturers equivalent upgraded versions which would push it in to a tricky financial place considering what else is available for around £11,500. Fingers crossed I guess.

Whats the difference with the factory version?

@@kilian8596 Based on the previous Factory versions, better fully adjustable suspension, improved brakes, maybe a homologated Akrapovic can & potentially some carbon bits. Although as mentioned before, you're probably moving the bike in to a prohibitive price range with those upgrades so I doubt a 660 Factory would be as well equiped as the RSV4. Personally I think it will be a suspension upgrade, fancy paint job & maybe an Akra.

Same bro brilliant bike

Honda got the Inline 4 engine when tuned it's more than the Aprilia RS660 or the MV,,, but the best about the CBR650 is it's unparalleled reliability and durability.

I'd like to see Moto2 go to 750cc twins open to all manufacturers. Could spawn some cracking road bikes.

@@johnktm950 the bike will be too different from the gp

@@pravesh736 The idea is track tech and developments filter down to road bikes, I’m quite aware we would not get GP bikes on the road.

@@johnktm950The present Moto 2 rider doesn't need much effort to cope with MotoGP bike. I get ur point tho, the 765 pos needs to go and engines should be open.

super sports? the only supersports here is the mv, hardly can call a sports/touring style bike a supersports

If you like the 660 sound, listen to a RSV 1000.

@@MrFrog_ completely different engine

Subjective

@@shubsodhi5986 yes for me it's Honda

@@augustinemichael7697 you and me both have similar flavor in bikes then. But I'll say this, on paper RS660 is the better bike tho. I really hope Honda aupdates there bikes to the new standards soon. I really wanna buy the CB650r

@no my man, we got similar tastes mate.

That was the 750 :)

I’d agree with the ergonomics of the gsxr, but after owning one and a Cbr600rr the Honda has far superior handling which for me is the most important part of the bike. Still loved the gsxr tho

@@notafanatic 600 and 750 both have same ergonomics bro not much of a difference

@@gdsmokey5099 same ergonomics but 600 too revvy. 750 is perfect blend of power and handling for the road

@@notafanatic yes 👌

For sure.

105Cv for the Aprilia RS660 Trofeo. 153Kg of weight

@@Josh-cw8by Say it brother. Somehow people are suffering from mass amnesia or something, or we're the oldest ones in here.

@@Josh-cw8by with a Paralel twin and this weight? 20Years ago??

@@Josh-cw8by yes from a 4 Cylinder but not from two thats the Point,and look how much weight has a 4 Cylinder in this Class and how much Aprilia.I prefer all the Time less weight as 10 or 20 BHP more.Weight is what gives a Bike the Fun to rinde and not 10 or 20 bhp more.

The problem is these journos all get to ride powerful bikes all the time. They forget that if you only have one or two bikes, you never get the thrill of a more powerful machine. 99% of the time 100 hp is fine. But its really nice to have more power for that 1% you really want to put a grin on your face.

After owning all 3 types I really don't hear what people see in 4 cylinders except maybe extra power and overall smoothness. The most boring engines of all. Never again.

In Italia la stree triple costa circa 3000 euro meno del rs660 (8000 contro 11000 centinaia cento meno)

Great choice. Stick with japanese. More reliable and more satisfying bikes to own in the long run.

6 way axis imu, and cruise control, plus lighter components, for £2k extra, that's total value for money

I am Literally about to order a 2022 tuono 660 factory and I was worried about the Aprillia reputation for reliability. Reading this and some other comments I may reconsider and give the Honda and the ninja a closer look. Plus they have dealers near by and the Aprilia is 2 hr car ride. Thanks for your comments sir.

@@marsarmory6236 to update you on my story that I commented 11 months ago. It took 4,5 months to deliver the parts from Aprilia and get my bike fixed last year. I lost all the season on my RS660 but Aprilia made kept me riding on 2-wheels letting me use their Tuono660 as long as my bike was at the shop. When my bike was finally delivered I got additional 2 years of Aprilia warranty. This season I am having no issues and enjoying every single mile I make on this bike. So if it keeps like this I will be very happy owner of this bike and never go back to Honda. However these bikes have issues, among all the people in my local RS660/Tuono660 community over 50% of them had issues like engine needed to be replaces, all kinds of leaks, cam tensioner problems, valve problems... something to consider you your Aprilia dealer is 2h away.

Wow this is good to know. I think I’ll stick with the zx 6r

​@@SimPoolman I need to update once again. My Aprilia has just started burning and leaking oil in the same time. I had to add 1000 ml (yes, 1 liter!) of oil just after doing 1300 kilometers after last oil change. The bike will go back to the dealer, again. It is becoming some kind of horror story...

​@@szymonchalupka Hey man, can I ask how did it go after that? Do you still have the bike?

It won't ever break down either.

Love mine

2 words - cruise control 😜

@@OsianLedger touché

@@OsianLedger optional on the rs660 too

That's a good question, I hate seeing wrecked supersports on country roads, be sensible and ride safe.

I had a 675 brutale, thing was savage! Miss it allot. The noise of that engine is crazy

It depends how fast do you want to lose your licence. Fast bikes feel really slow and boring at legal or even 50% over legal speeds and that's a prison time in some countries. I've had the most fun on 80bhp Ducati monster, much more than any of the faster bikes I owned since.

Aprilia on first Place the Supersort Ducati is a havy Pig sorry dude 210 kg rady to go is to much

A bike with the same power but doesn't rev is hardly going to feel sportier. Plus the Aprilia still has high bars, not sporty clip-ons. Get a proper sports bike if you want something sporty.

650r has 4 cylinder maybe that's why

Find me a 899 for 8k with ok Milage lol

That's pretty much all intake sound, typically Italian :)

I'd say probably not, but it'll take it back in the bends, this chassis is flawless and confidence inspiring. I just traded my 959 for the RS660 and I'm already taking bends faster. Icing on cake, thrash around the beacons, come home, 65mpg average. It's mental how economical this bike is, my 959 struggled to get 100 miles on a full tank

yoooooooooo king julien

@@aswin7325 hey duude!!😀👊

@@KingJulienMoto what happened man? You haven't uploaded for a week already

@@aswin7325 personal stuff slowed me down mate. but I will work on finalisation of travel week soon😉

Killing it keep up, RS660 your next option ?

I actually like riding in the winter.not freezing obviously but if it's a bit chilly. Just hate cleaning the bike afterwards lol.

Same for me I've always preferred the torque rather than revving the tits off it to get it moving.

I cannot speak of the RS660, but I have a 2015 Shiver 750. I took it on track days, later on I upgraded to an MV F3 675 for trackdays and my father started riding trackdays on the Shiver. The only issue there has ever been with the shiver was a side stand sensor that stopped working. It arrived in like 4 days after I ordered it online. Otherwise has been great. Regarding the MV also zero problems (I have done around 800km on the road and one year of trackdays). Parts that I needed (because of a lowside on track) came in around 12 days during the first covid lockdowns, so seems pretty ok to me as well. The MV and the Aprilia might be a bit more expensive than the competition but if you take them to a track they can be used as is no problems. I see everyone with japanese bikes immediately going for different rear sets, because they scrape too soon, and they upgrade all sorts of other things that you dont have to upgrade with a bike like the Aprilia or the MV. They are very capable out of the box.

I think they already said it will come.

Yep

@Fry 9 True. This is where there is now a huge gap in the market though. After the demise of firstly the 750s and now the 600s, what is left when it comes to 130-150 bhp sportsbikes? The F3 800 and the Panigale V2 - which are certainly on the more exotic/pricey side. It would be great to see more manufacturers release bikes in this sector.