Yeah exactly, people should stop comparing the two, they both show strength and growth in different ways and that's okay.

Yes, they have completely different personalities: Arya never would have stayed in Kingslanding, because she didn't want to be a lady. Sansa didn't care about becoming a swordsmen or how to handle a sword.

You took my words out of my mouth. Arya didn't have enough patience nor was she as good at lying, even though Sansa's lying at the beginning was quite bad. Sansa's body wouldn't survive what Arya went through, she wouldn't be able to hide her gender. They are two beings, no two beings would ever survive the same thing, there is a breaking point somewhere.

Sansa who wouldn't survive what Arya survived.

@@luciaszocsova496 Arya could be anyone she wants, so I wouldn't doubt her ability of lying

That's because she did

She absolutely did, my mate.

And bran the broken

@Keys andFood she didn't betray or bitched about her family in the end though... she protected her home 'North'...

"When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground." -Cersei Lannister S1E7

I loved her character ever since she defended Lady not being killed by Cersei, she went from afraid and throwing her sister under the bus, to shouting against the Queen and Prince

I feel like it's very satisfying too cause she truly did earn it and feels like a good queen and had to learn how to be one

Ned and Catylin would be so proud

Arya killing the Night King and Sansa becoming Queen of the North was the saving grace of the ending of the show

@@MarleeCM agreed! I love Arya killing the night king, her 8 seasons of learning to kill finally paid off 🥺

AND IF WE ALL PAID ATTENTION THIS WAS ALWAYS ABOUT THE STARKS REVENGE AND THEIR COUSIN JON SNOW DID A LOVELY JOB HELPING OUT THE FAMILY BY TAKING OUT DAENERYS THE CONQUEROR

@@virgoqueen8950 dear internet stranger please elaborate further. Your theory is interesting.

Yup

Brienne being knighted was also wholesome.

Great character arc indeed. 2nd or 3rd best for me. After Cersei and maybe Daenerys. Sansa had perfect development from an annoying naive and "weak" wannabe disney princess to a truly solid badass queen. She kind of missed the first few seasons of fabulousness while Cersei and Danny were always great. From the very start to the very end. Yes, I am one of the very very few who loved those two character's endings. Cersei is by far my favourite, charming, spectacular, solid, believable and consistent all the way through her epic journey through fire. Danny had some underwhelming chapters but her beautifully tragic ending was enough for redemption. Sansa's becoming the Queen of the north was very satisfactory although I would really have preferred it if it had happened in an other way. That horrible last episode with the super-cringe coronation of Bran left it seem like Bran just gave a crown to his sister only to stop her crying at him about it. She deserved better than that. We all deserved better than that merciless disgrace of the last episode. Cersei's and Danny's deaths almost worked as salvation. They escaped the ship before the absolute downfall.

Look back over the whole series, that moment was the first spark of who Sansa would become.

same

When she tells Joffrey that Rob fights in the front lines so he obviously should do the same. The look on his face 💀💀💀 . No one could get under his skin like her.

@@jorilysmatos69 that was badass as well

@@jorilysmatos69 This is mine! Also when she tells Tyrion that she's prays for his safety as she prays for Joffrey's.. You could see the shock on Tyrion's face.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

*in her 'humilation' episode Tyrion said "..you may survive 'us' yet"* 🤔

@@RMFeminine4TheWin гг Г Г

Only Baelish truly underestimated her, because I think he really felt he was the smartest person in Westeros. Everyone else who wronged her squashed her. They just happened to die from separateb reasons.

@@m.williams4971 i know what you mean and she definitely owned littlefinger and outsmarted him in the end. But just because the other people underestimated her doesn't necesarily mean they need to be killed by her hand. Maybe they underestimated her by thinking 'don't mind her, she'll be dead soon, she's too weak/dumb to survive' even Jon underestimated her when it came to battle of the basterds. If she hadn't send word to littlefinger, Ramsey would've won.

for being powerfull you need to have agency, which she completely lacks. She survived only by not being capable of doing anything else than being useless, and that's the opposite of power

She became a snake 🐍

Shut up stop trying to be deep and edgy

Strongest Charakter...

Took her long enough

Couldn’t disagree more, they took what set her apart in KL, her kindness, and tore it away. Maybe she survived, but it wasn’t as a good person.

Yeah, there's nothing I love more than Stark sister solidarity and teamwork

What i would give for her to be the one that went to talk with her one on one after the dragon bit bullshit. Sansa would never trust Cersei to be alone with her but gahhhhhh

Oh come on... With the level of writing they had at season 8, they probably would have chatted about nail polish.

Yeah and also a last meeting between friendenemies of Varys and littlefinger like in season 6 or 7

Right!? But once Sansa got away she was like eff King's Landing forever never again y'all have fun with that shithouse 😂😂

Honestly, that scene with the writing from the first couple seasons would’ve been fire! Easily could’ve been compared to Tywins scene with Olenna or Tywins scene with Joffrey in the throne room.

Right. I also think it’s odd that people kept using the first season against her as if she wasn’t a kid and as if she didn’t face a ton of trauma from the end of season one, on.

Right. I also think it’s odd that people kept using the first season against her as if she wasn’t a kid and as if she didn’t face a ton of trauma from the end of season one, on.

I think this was Martin’s theme all along. It says a lot that people refuse to accept the success of a beautiful, intelligent woman who doesn’t have dragons or a sword.

Sansa always has a subtle strength about her...even when she wasn't a favorite of mine I could see it.

This analysis misses the significance of her character arc. Of ALL the characters in the series, Sansa was the ONLY one who changed fundamentally. She really WAS a silly, romantic, helpless little girl, and she had to learn and grow into the powerhouse she became. Jon pretty much remained Jon throughout the story, Arya remained Arya, and even Dani had a streak of malice from the get-go that only became more apparent toward the end. If Sansa had any "steel" about her, it was that her experiences didn't break or embitter her, but her 180-degree transformation was the result of her efforts, NOT some intrinsic strength. Don't deprive her of that.

Worst character ever

@@donone352 please go toma therapist or try to superate hour mysogonist hate for a ficcional character

@@donone352 awww you’re madd😂

@@blatianna5541 Wrong. Euron Greyjoy was the worst character...by far.

YES INDEED

I THINK, don't quote me on this, GRRM actually fiddled around with that idea in one of his early drafts - that Robb would kill Joffrey in battle.

@@xxwhispersxx2856 would have been great if that did happen! I hate that he had to die before Joffrey.

EXACTLY !!!!!

She is a prime example of an "obnoxious gash".... As Gemma would say.. Lol

I agree. I resonate with Sansa quite a bit. Not really in her younger mode (I’m more like Arya in that regard), but when she was older.

Rough times don't make you strong, it just makes you suffer. They destroyed her character by saying that all of her suffering ( especially her sexual abuse ) was a good thing for her because it made her a heartless badass in the end. Are you kidding me? She is not strong because of her trauma but despite it.

That's what I grew to love about her. She was completely honest about her situation. To her? It is what it is..why lie about it?

She's highborn. People like that grow with some arrogance. People cater to them not the other way around. Sam is the oddball. He was so craven. Even tommen wasn't such a coward. Tyrion is a midget but still has a sharp tongue. Very lordly. Sam should have been like that. Fat lord with an attitude

And yet she's in the godswoods , whether praying or not, the gods listen and answered her.

@@pjfsr7024 Yeah, 'cause gods exist. The stupid is strong with you.

In the books Ned warned Robb that lordship is a lonely affair. Sansa trapped in Kings Landing taught her how to cope with loneliness and be wary of those who claim loyalty or love.

why I love Sansa the most is that she was ALWAYS surrounded by enemies and managed to survive

many times, being alone is an upgrade

I don't think she'd be alone. She'd be loved by the people as much as any Stark in Winterfell.

Her kids will end up rulling both north and the west as Bran won't have any heirs

How is she amazing, she's Sucks

@@donone352 she fought hard for the North and the throne. She lost everything and fought to gain it back. She was abused and manipulated by people she trusted, she made sure everyone knew that she was not going to take that lightly. She killed her enemies and made sure the world knew what would happen if anyone stood against her.

The first scene reminds me of something Olenna and Cersei would say. Headstrong women from prestigious families and upbringings who’s well aware of their status

In that moment Baelish was probably thinking “I left kings landing just to get sass from Cersei 2.0”

She also wasnt as insufferable as people make her out to be, she just seems thay way because everyone LOVES arya in the first season, and people just gate girly girls in general

It's honestly so weird that Arya has grown so much and yet still comes to Winterfell with this bizarre idea that Sansa betrayed their family? Out of love for Joffrey??? Like what? As if Arya's own escape from the Red Keep/King's Landing was some sort of choice she made and not due to dumb luck and the sacrifices of others.

Arya would have died if put in Sansa’s situation, for sure

In the books… the real story, Sansa never met Ramsey Bolton, she wasn’t raped she was still a spoilt 11 year old brat.

Myranda: I’m the head bitch in charge Sansa: *Cersei Mode Activated*

WE LITERALLY WATCHED HER GROW UP ON SCREEN AND I KNEW SHE WAS GOING TO BE THE QUEEN OF THE NORTH. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE STARKS.

This is one of many masterful strokes by R.R. Martin

Theon!

It seems that when Lady Olenna was in her prime she was that kind of character.

@@jjh2456 and Margaery Tyrell had potential to do the same. She died only because Cersei did something unthinkable, and Margaery was the only one who realized-though a little too late-that something unthinkable was about to happen.

She wasn’t ever clever lol. She was never smart or strong. The plot bent over for her to appear smart. She should’ve told John about the knights of the vale and maybe they’d have won with a lot less of their own dying. Infact, they almost died because of her not saying it. John could’ve died in that battle (should of if the plot wasn’t doing shitty things). She wasn’t cunning either. She didn’t escape winter fell on her own. She didn’t do shit on her own. Every single time she escapes she had someone else help her. She was stupid, she trusted little finger to begin with. He was the one who betrayed her father. I mean like come on. She isn’t smart. She is dumb. She is a clear example of a badly written character that could’ve been amazing if the writers weren’t with their heads up their asses. In her story line they ruined one of the best characters (little finger) just to make her seem smarter.

@@sarahshaw7315tell the world you are a misogynistic troll.

You make it sound like there's only one way to be a woman and if you deviate from that you loose your femininity.

I’ve always loved her, too. She did some stupid shit bc she was a naive child at the beginning but she grew up fast and ferocious.

She learned, developed, used all the tools available in her arsenal. From a demure princess bride she grew to a confident Queen in her own right. And the seeds were there at least from season two. I’d say seeing what was in Sansa makes you More perceptive than most.

That’s exactly how I feel about her. Thanks for putting it into words.

Exactly. I love her, sm! I also love Arya and Daenerys. They're all strong and powerful in their own way. Daenerys has her dragons and had good leadership skills until her downfall. Arya is a killing machine and really skilled with weapons. And Sansa has a way with words.

She didn't lift a finger and do anything. She didn't even brush her own hair lol

@@christiansmith1125 she may did not fight with a sword or something, but that does not mean she did nothing at all.

@@christiansmith1125 shi didnt lift i fingir

* North..;)

Pffffffhagaga she ain't done nothing in this series

@@donone352 did you miss the ending of the battle of the bastards??? Literally they all would've died if Sansa hadn't gotten reinforcements. Also why did you take time out of your day to watch and comment multiple things about a character you don't even like??? You could've just not watched the video if you hate her so much. I smell a troll

@@imjusthereforbagelsandmone662 Sansa didn't get reinforcements, Little finger gave it to her on a silver platter, the vale didn't follow Sansa , they followed LF. Plus LF offered Sansa the vale army once before and sansa turned him down, only to go back with her tail between her legs begging. The stupidity of Sansa Tully is legendary 😀😀😀

@@donone352 still, the army wouldn't have come to Jon's rescue if Sansa hadn't gotten Little Finger to help her. And of course she turned Little Finger down at first, why would she want his help after he basically handed her over to the Boltons? At the end of the day, no one else woul have helped them, so Sansa had to gather the strength to face LF and basically manipulate him into helping her. Little Finger wasn't going to save Winterfell any time soon, so if it wasn't for Sansa that battle would've been lost. Also Sansa Tully?? Whether you like her or not, she's still a Stark and there's nothing you can do about it

@@KeaCaligo No I think youre very confused, her stupidity was there for everyone to see

Yes, quite big accomplishments, especially since The North only had male kings and wardens before.

This is why I question anyone who calls the Stark kids endings "happy".. Where?! They're shadows of their former selves due to deep rooted trauma. How on earth is that happy?!

That's how life works - you have to become cold & detached to survive

I think that’s why she couldn’t forgive Ramsay most of all When he raped her, he destroyed that bit of innocence she had tried so hard, with so much difficulty, to protect. Her chastity had been threatened so many times in the worst way possible, and I feel like although, she no longer had those stupid dreams about marrying a handsome prince who would make her a princess, she still hoped to someday have a happy marriage, become a happy mother, and find a man who would love, respect and make her feel safe, just like her mother had done with her father. But Ramsay broke that dream. I think that what he did to her made her unable to ever hope for love or a happy marriage, because this was the last straw that probably made her unable to ever trust men again or to even stand one trying to touch her. Because of Ramsay, she could no longer believe she would ever be loved or treated well and sincerely by a man/husband and he probably made her someone who would no longer be able to feel romantic love again. Because of him, she lost her ability and chances to ever enjoy that ordinary happiness that most women want, a happy marriage and motherhood 😢

@@victoiresouledelafont3428this is so well written. I wish for her otherwise but i don‘t think she will be able to. Even if by miracle she will be able to trust that deeply again, i don‘t think it would be possible. Body remembres as well. The flashbacks would be too much. It‘s like she said, she can feel him. That will probably never leave.

I agree Sansa had some of the best character growth in the series, but I also think we gotta be careful about romanticizing her abuse as the catalyst for her growth..yes she showed amazing strength/resilience, but she was so young at the start of the series, there's a lot of character growth she would have experienced as she matured regardless of her later trauma

@@virg3022 Absolutely agree. I always hated that exchange between Sansa and the Hound because it almost justifies the trauma that Sansa went through. Sansa was always the person she ended up being... her strength and courage were always a part of her. Lots of women suffer through the kind of horror and abuse that Sansa did...but not all of them survive. She did. And she continues to live.

@@NovaLena22 I’ve been through an abusive relationship, and I didn’t find it to be romanticizing. It’s vindicating. I felt the same way about my abusive relationship. It’s not romanticizing because the abuse defines you and becomes forever who you are. At the same time, you become much, much stronger because of it. I wouldn’t call it better - it’s colder, and darker. But it’s certainly stronger. It’s kind of like saying a story about a man who has been to earth and came back stronger would be romanticizing war. It may appear that way to someone who has never been to war, so I guess in that way it is sort of true, but someone who has understands that it is genuinely the only silver lining in something so toxic and hellish, that everything else is negative. I liked that about the storyline. I get sick of hearing about what a victim I am from people who hear what happened to me - because it’s not true. I wasn’t a victim, just like Sansa wasn’t. We were victimized, sure - but there’s a difference between being victimized and being a victim. Both of us chose not to be broken by it, but use it as an occasion to acquaint ourselves with evil and accept that it exists. Something many other people can’t face. That being said, not all abused people feel that way, I’m sure - but I do.

@@AK-jt7kh I'm glad you survived your abusive relationship. But I never used the word "romanticizing" in my comment. I did use the word justify... which is entirely different. But I will say that both you and Sansa are who you are because of the strength and courage you found in yourself to be able to move forward and live. Misfortunes and abuse don't make you stronger or better. You are who you are because of the way you choose to live... in good times and bad.

@@NovaLena22 oh, sorry! I might have gotten that from a previous comment. What you’re saying is true, but also kind of not, in a way…but let me just explain that from my personal perspective. (It’s fine if you disagree by the way, I respect that you have your own logic behind your beliefs!) Anyways, I’ve always been this type of “character”, but the things that happened to me in life were what molded it. Taking another example, let’s say that you are a hardworking person who had a near death experience and then decided to devote your life to your family? You’re still a hardworking person, but your paradigm shifted. Now you hold family as most dear, whereas before you may have held your career as most dear. In the same way that changes a person, permanently, so does abuse. It forever shifts the way you view the world, and especially the way you prioritize values and avoid risks. You really are not the same person afterwards. You are, in that you’re still who you were born with. You’re not in the same way that you wouldn’t have been the same person if you were raised in a different country with a different language. To use another example - let’s take a soldier who has PTSD. They’re not the same person they were before they had it. I can pretty much guarantee you that any soldier with PTSD will tell you that. These things fundamentally change the very core of your being. You can never “recover” from them - you can only incorporate them into the new version of yourself that you create. In fact, the abuse even changes your brain chemistry and can lead to a number of health problems like cancer. So I disagree with what you’re saying, but I appreciate the sentiment behind it and I think it’s a really kind stance that you have. I know you’ve thought about it deeply and I don’t discount that. This has been my experience, but maybe not all people have felt the same way. Maybe Sansa didn’t 😉

SHE OBSERVED AND LEARNED

She sucks

Yeah! Me too ❤️

THE SURVIVOR

I remember I couldn't stand her in the first few seasons. I thought she was quite pathetic. But then she turned into my favourite. I adored her after she escaped King's landing.

Daenarys is not mad its D&D.

@@shubhragautam5955 Well, there was some madness in there all along though. It was very subtle in the earlier seasons and became more obvious/worse towards the end.

@@shubhragautam5955 it's very hinted at in the books and more complicated haha

@@shubhragautam5955 It's not madness, it's mania. She's so devoted to creating utopia that she's willing to let the ends justify the means, which means not tolerating dissent.

totally agree

You should watch it, that is if you don't have a problem with gore, rape, lots of blood, cursing, etc.

I think she smiles when she's talking to theon during the Jenny of Stones. ugh love em both.

Yesss!!! The quiet, yet DANGEROUS ENERGY that came from her was Chilling!!! and I was here for ALL OF IT😍💞!!!

Well, At the begining she was stupid. But everyone has the right to improve(if you don't die in the middle ofcourse)

@@marcelofranco5820 ye Ik I used to hate her but now I’ve seen her grow it’s just that she was a moody teenager who wanted to become a lady n shit like that

@@marcelofranco5820 NOT STUPID ........NAIVE

@@virgoqueen8950 Exactly. I wonder how many people who've called a 12 year old Sansa stupid would actually survive the kind of hell she went through (mostly alone) and come out of it as wise and as strong as she did.

I think the sansa haters are reminded of the fact that they would have been just as naive in her place at that age. I believe this as i disliked her in the beginning realising that at that age i was very similar and that made me insecure and hate her initially until season 1 ending.

Was going to binge this show UNTILL the showrunners lost their damn minds and had dany destroy kings landing and go insane. Such terrible writing of a great strong character destroyed any interest many of us had to watch this great series. Tho I have seen so many many scenes on youtube to know how it all goes and seeing the incredible acting and character development. Sansa goes thru a horrible crucible but emerges as a uber strong, smart queen of the north who really understands how to get things done.

I agree she did. Jon was about to lose when she came with her army.

But she didn't fought John fought.

@@UttamKumar-wy8fr but the vale fought for sansa, rode north for sansa. So sansa won that battle

This will probably sound totally crazy or like I’m trying to be edgy, but girl/boy/non-binary pal, I have no doubt, NONE, that you would have been able to survive and overcome. You weren’t looking for reassurance or anything, I know, but I just hope y’all go into the new year believing in your own strength, not only to survive but to rise above. Sorry for the unrequested cheerleading...been a long, long year. 🖖

@@truetnt happy new year🎉

Interesting

Sansa came close to killing Joffrey but Sandor stopped her.

Nope. She was spoiled brat at the beginning and at the end she was still spoiled brat. :D

When she was a child?

@@AvgJane19 right… I don’t know why ppl didn’t like her 😭she was like 11

What a scumbag???

@@KeaCaligo The ungrateful traitor in the north

@Star 98 this Don One guy is hating on sansa in every youtube comment section

what was so badass was sansa laying out the crimes and then saying Lord Baelish and him trying to stammer some excuse only for her to cut him off with such cold eyes and then arya stepping up and executing him. Talk about Badass sisters!

they hate her not for her obsession with joffrey, but for how she betrayed jon

I mean she was 13/14 when we first met her. It is called growing and maturing.

did you forget your teenage years already?

@@francois5630 nope

Spoiled tingz 💅✨💋

She was still salted over the death of Lady, especially since her own father did it to placate his best friend the king. Septa was never keen on the wolves either.

Good joke

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