Best Recurring Characters (Who Aren't Companions) in Doctor Who's Modern Era

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So who are some of the best repeat characters to not actually travel in the Tardis.
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@Seussenshmirtz
@Seussenshmirtz 5 жыл бұрын
Excuse me... That's "Harriet Jones, Former Prime Minister" to you!
@Luuuna
@Luuuna 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, we know who you are
@asahi7444
@asahi7444 5 жыл бұрын
Yes ma’am. We are aware of who you are.
@ErekLich
@ErekLich 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Council knows who she is...
@drxshock6957
@drxshock6957 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, we know who she is.
@burntnorris
@burntnorris 5 жыл бұрын
I was 100% going to say this before I saw you'd done it already.
@jamesroby1948
@jamesroby1948 5 жыл бұрын
HJFPM - Harriet Jones, Former Prime Minister. Daleks - YES. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
@AhsimNreiziev
@AhsimNreiziev 5 жыл бұрын
I love how you abbreviate her name including the "Former Prime Minister" part.
@jamesroby1948
@jamesroby1948 5 жыл бұрын
+*Ahsim Nreiziev* thank you.
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer 5 жыл бұрын
Moffatt considered bringing her back to life, you know.
@fletcheragenda6014
@fletcheragenda6014 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer sad he didn’t have the balls to do it
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
@@fletcheragenda6014 ik, especially as he brought back literally everyone else like he couldn't have sprung for one more 😒
@ITSMeatMan
@ITSMeatMan 5 жыл бұрын
The best reoccurring character who isn’t a companion is the doctor
@scaper8
@scaper8 5 жыл бұрын
Ah, touché!
@aarononeil9832
@aarononeil9832 5 жыл бұрын
He's literally the title character and has been in the lead in almost every episode. He by no means fits the definition of a recurring character in a series.
@scaper8
@scaper8 5 жыл бұрын
Aaron O'neil I'm not sure you get what a joke is.
@aarononeil9832
@aarononeil9832 5 жыл бұрын
scaper8 my apologies, I did chuckle at first but my pedantic brain got the better of me.
@ZipplyZane
@ZipplyZane 5 жыл бұрын
By his definition, he is a companion. He's traveled in the Tardis with the Doctor.
@sirjedisentinel
@sirjedisentinel 5 жыл бұрын
I really like Kate Stewart. In spite of the flaws you mentioned. I like how she FEELS like a Lethbridge-Stewart. She (and the show by extension) doesn't just say she is. You watch how she speaks, and her body language, and you just go, "yep... that's the Brig's daughter." I think that's more a testament to Jemma Redgrave's acting (I mean, she's a freakin' Redgrave), but my point stands
@TheCrippledEgg
@TheCrippledEgg 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly. She’s a great way to continue his legacy and a good character in her own right.
@baka-chan4226
@baka-chan4226 5 жыл бұрын
Ever consider ranking tardis interiors?
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 5 жыл бұрын
Baka - Chan if the pond era TARDIS doesn't win I'll be upset
@glenmcculla6843
@glenmcculla6843 5 жыл бұрын
If the washing up bowl 'Time Monster' set doesn't win, then i will call a fix.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 5 жыл бұрын
Glen McCulla the what? What episode is that?
@glenmcculla6843
@glenmcculla6843 5 жыл бұрын
'The Time Monster': worst TARDIS console room set ever. It makes me feel slightly ill just thinking of it. But i might not be 'with it' so far as console room trends go: i was informed recently that Paul McGann's 1996 interior was rubbish, and that's my favourite. Who knows?
@SpectrumStorms
@SpectrumStorms 5 жыл бұрын
If the Secondary Console Room doesn't win, I'll be upset.
@djog7264
@djog7264 5 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons I love Jenny is because she explains Madame vaxtras completely inhumane actions to humans from the outside world as if they are nothing. Like for instance when she tells Clara that she is having a criminal for dinner I just think is hillarious
@xx_b4rr3l_xx
@xx_b4rr3l_xx 5 жыл бұрын
The lodger set up season 6 with the silent’s TARDIS thingy Closing time was the funniest episode of season 6
@DPS31762
@DPS31762 5 жыл бұрын
FWIW, in the Zygon 2-parter, Kate at least remembered that the Zygon's aren't immune to bullets, which everyone else seemed to forget as they stood around with their mouths hanging open as the Zygons zapped 'em.
@ccdaly2561
@ccdaly2561 5 жыл бұрын
I just got yelled at for hollering "YES" when you got to Harriet Jones (MP, Flydale North). I'm at a bus stop.
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I know who she is
@guardiansparky1766
@guardiansparky1766 5 жыл бұрын
Danny is just Mickey if he stayed as the Tin Dog
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
And the tin dog could catch some ridiculous air doing flips lol
@mariakowal1915
@mariakowal1915 5 жыл бұрын
I was super pissed when they killed Danny. I was like "nooooo, take Clara instead"!
@Seussenshmirtz
@Seussenshmirtz 5 жыл бұрын
I still wanna see Craig's son come back as a future companion
@MrLegendofLP
@MrLegendofLP 5 жыл бұрын
Joshua V. Harding YES PLEASE.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 5 жыл бұрын
Stormagedon best character
@scaper8
@scaper8 5 жыл бұрын
Joshua V. Harding I never considered that, but that would be great.
@TheCrippledEgg
@TheCrippledEgg 5 жыл бұрын
Let’s hope his dad isn’t dead of obesity-related illness by the time it happens.
@timbogymbro66
@timbogymbro66 5 жыл бұрын
Please...God....no....
@NPCarlsson
@NPCarlsson 5 жыл бұрын
On the point about Osgood and whether the one who died was Human or Zygon, I think the point is that no one knows the answer. There's no way of knowing and yeah, you can say it needs to be one Human and one Zygon for the truce to work, but ultimately it still works because no one knows if that's the case or not. All we know it's it's either one Human, one Zygon or it's two Zygons. But, we simply don't know which. Hell, I doubt that the Zygon who became the other Osgood at the end (I forget her name) even knows.
@christopheralthouse6378
@christopheralthouse6378 5 жыл бұрын
NPCarlsson One fatal flaw in that theory... The human must remain alive for the Zygon duplicate to retain its form... Therefore, it HAD to have been the Zygon who died, otherwise, the Zygon duplicate of Osgood would've lost that form and thus, no more Osgood PERIOD... (Ref. "Terror of the Zygons")
@muklowd
@muklowd 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's my take on it as well... and you don't even have to go as far back at TotZ ... just go back to the first part of the Clara and the Zygons story and you see that they still had to keep the subject alive to duplicate their memories
@ryel.7022
@ryel.7022 5 жыл бұрын
wait the doctor himself had said that the 2 had merged so well that even if the human had died then the other would be able to maintain her form, also she said it herself it does not goddamn matter one died that was the point and that was one of many sparks for the zygon uprise
@NPCarlsson
@NPCarlsson 5 жыл бұрын
Christopher Althouse But, they explained that in The Zygon Invasion that they no longer need to keep the human counterpart alive. I'd link a clip if I could find one, but The Doctor comes to that conclusion as well and says to Osgood that she must be the human. But, Osgood explains that Zygons only need to keep the humans alive if they need more information from them. That's why the Zygon Clara was threatening to kill real Clara if she didn't tell her the truth.
@cryofpaine
@cryofpaine 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The reason why Osgood was chosen to be the caretaker of the box was because there wasn't that differentiation between them. There wasn't a "Human Osgood" and a "Zygon Osgood", there was just Osgood. The two of them figured out back during the 50th anniversary which was which, thanks to the inhaler, and they decided it didn't matter, They moved past that distinction, which is why the doctor trusted them with that secret.
@anaiglesias9972
@anaiglesias9972 5 жыл бұрын
I like Craig a lot
@user-tz7zr4fr4j
@user-tz7zr4fr4j 5 жыл бұрын
ana iglesias I like him cause I like james
@eulalie7035
@eulalie7035 5 жыл бұрын
Strax is only 6 He is HILARIOUS Do not attempt to escape or you will be obliterated! May I take your coat?
@gryffinclawgymgirls0911
@gryffinclawgymgirls0911 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not wearing a coat
@eulalie7035
@eulalie7035 5 жыл бұрын
@@gryffinclawgymgirls0911 Oh. What's that then?
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 5 жыл бұрын
Ashildir shouldn't have been as immortal as she was. She said all the other immortals had gone by then, like how tf is a little human girl with a little medical square on her head more immortal than captain jack? A "fixed point in time"
@Geothesponge111
@Geothesponge111 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this really annoyed me. It's like, if all it takes you make you COMPLETELY immortal is a bit of souped-up alien medical tech, why isn't everyone doing it in the future?
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 5 жыл бұрын
Geo Da Sponge yeah exactly, like what about the aliens who actually invented the tech
@nico2605
@nico2605 5 жыл бұрын
Like.. There are immortals that can't die from anything but the immortal that could die from getting shot is the only one still alive? How is that possible? Especially when (at least to me) they're as annoying as Ashildr or that Me bullshit she calls herself
@jonsnor4313
@jonsnor4313 5 жыл бұрын
Her being the only immortal alive is very convenient for the story. Even Jack, who was made immortal by the dangerous in the tardis dies eventually as the face in the story. She just should live extremely long. Still not a bad character, but she suered i make my characters the best, the most immortal, syndrome. Or she could have lead a clan of immortals. Missed opputunity.
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 5 жыл бұрын
Ned Barks exactly, the technology that kept her alive definitely shouldn't have lasted as long as the power of the time vortex or whatever kept jack alive. The doctor consulting a council of immortals would have been cool, hell bent was still bs tho 😂
@myra7011
@myra7011 5 жыл бұрын
I LOVE Harriet Jones, I think she’s so amazing, I feel bad that I completely forgot her until you said her name
@kh-productions-channel
@kh-productions-channel 5 жыл бұрын
"You are the council, I just run the meetings" awww thank you
@evanmccreesh268
@evanmccreesh268 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see Danny Pink and Jenny so high on this list, I think both are incredibly underrated
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
I love Jenny so much
@Flutterbutt225
@Flutterbutt225 5 жыл бұрын
I LOVED The Lodger and Closing Time and a lot of that had to do with Craig. He's such a genuine character and a nice foil to the weirdness going on around him - like, he does his little double-take and then he just kind of straps in to help. I love his sincerity - I think James Corden played him extremely well and gave him a lot of that sincerity. I'm glad to see him on this list at all, even if he is pretty far down. I absolutely _loved_ Kate in series 9! I can't really put my finger on it as to why, I just loved her take-charge attitude and, yeah, she put herself in a bit of a stupid situation going to New Mexico basically by herself but the fact that she came out of that, solved that problem and drew her own conclusion as to the solution for the entire Zygon issue (even though it was the wrong one)...I don't know, she came off as just a total badass and I loved her for it. Your headcanon about "Which Osgood lived" is accepted. Thank you. I'm going to say - I don't really like the way Danny treated Clara (basically forcing her to choose between her friend and him, that's pretty awful boyfriend-ing), but I love him despite that. I adore Jenny. She's smarter than she seems, she's feisty, she's *adorable* (I love her voice) - just everything about her is absolutely wonderful. The biggest things I loved about Harriet Jones (Former Prime Minister) were her level-headedness, her integrity, and her humbleness. Her sacrifice was just the best ending for her character. The fact that she introduced herself to the Daleks - the _Daleks!_ - and they KNEW WHO SHE WAS...God, that was satisfying.
@xYourssTrulyy
@xYourssTrulyy 5 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched episodes series 8 and 9 in a long time because I don't particularly like Danny or Clara but unless I'm missing something I remember thinking Danny was reasonable about her travelling with the Doctor? From what we see her tell him about, he knew that she regularly put her life at risk, was very devoted to the Doctor who was regularly putting her in situations that put her life at risk, and at that point he even says he understands but to let him know if things ever got to be too much. She does and is very upset after Kill the Moon and tells him the Doctor went way too far and she doesn't want to travel with him anymore and he expresses that he's glad she's calling it quits and not staying when the Doctor pushes her buttons, then she proceeds to lie to him about still travelling with the Doctor, and he's upset when he finds out because she's staying with someone she told him she didn't want to be with anymore. Then, in series 9, I feel like they built off of the unhealthy attachment she had to the Doctor and mixed it with her recklessness after losing Danny to make her trying to be the Doctor and risking her life all the time, which I think shows that Danny had the right idea. You have to consider him from the angle of someone that cares about Clara and personally knows her, not someone on the outside looking in who knows the Doctor as well as we do. I don't think he was any more manipulative or demanding than Rose's mom in early series 1 when she was going "can you tell me my daughter will be safe with you!?" The only difference is Clara was more indecisive and secretive than Rose was. Hopefully I'm remembering everything that happened correctly and props if you read all this, you just made me think pretty hard with the forceful boyfriend Danny comment lol
@jpranevich
@jpranevich 5 жыл бұрын
The "traditional" (Old Who) definition of a companion would have excluded Vincent anyway since he only traveled within the span of a single story. He's sort of like Sara Kingdom who traveled with the doctor to multiple locations in one story but who didn't stay after that. (Well, couldn't stay in her case.) But companion rules are nutty and everyone has their own. Liz Shaw, River Song, the Brigadier, and others are all borderline in weird ways that it's hard to come up with a perfect rule that doesn't allow or disallow too many characters. It's all in fun!
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 3 жыл бұрын
liz and the brig were mainly in the3rd doctors era, and he was stuck on earth for 3 of his 5 years, so earth bound companions count, and the brig and sgt benton HAS travelled in the TARDIS (more than once actually) so they are definately companions
@florenceflowers4709
@florenceflowers4709 5 жыл бұрын
I really hope Chibnall brings Kate back. I want her to become the modern version of her father
@TheCrippledEgg
@TheCrippledEgg 5 жыл бұрын
Same. I don’t care for Osgood, but Kate should appear in future UNIT stories regardless of era.
@user-tz7zr4fr4j
@user-tz7zr4fr4j 5 жыл бұрын
Not gonna happen
@simplegamertg3913
@simplegamertg3913 5 жыл бұрын
Night Bot She did get name dropped in Resolution
@rachelamitrano9094
@rachelamitrano9094 4 жыл бұрын
And just like that, chibnall gets rid of UNIT
@eshbena
@eshbena 2 жыл бұрын
@@rachelamitrano9094 I know, right? All for a dumb Brexit joke.
@alexjones9008
@alexjones9008 5 жыл бұрын
To me, I liked the sort of ambiguity of Osgood's ending, how even if the real Osgood died it didn't matter since they (at that point) represented being neither human or Osgood, they were a symbol of peace between them. The real Osgood could be dead, but it doesn't matter, and I like the ambiguity of that
@sw3602
@sw3602 5 жыл бұрын
Well actually, the real Osgood can't be dead because it was established that the Zygons need to keep the original alive so they can take that person's shape.
@sw3602
@sw3602 5 жыл бұрын
But otherwise I get you
@harpertayback8663
@harpertayback8663 5 жыл бұрын
@@sw3602 Pretty sure they don't have to keep them alive to refresh the image anymore. They explained this in either the Zygon Invasion/Inversion. Of course this could be falsified but I don't think so. I think Missy killed the Human Osgood. The beauty is we probably will never know, and it's better that way.
@synapticflow
@synapticflow 5 жыл бұрын
Kylie Minogue - Astrid Peth should have been a recurring character, Actually she should have been a companion! She was soooo adorable in her role.
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
I know she was so precious 🥺
@swanskogjsson151
@swanskogjsson151 5 жыл бұрын
Agree with the top. But maybee Donna Nobles mother Sylvia deserved a place on the list. She’s just a bit overbearing, normal middle class woman who’s not interested in the bigger issues. She’s trying to cope, and doing it rather well. Well acted in a role tha could’ve been boring to watch, but was written so well, as it developed the character of Donna so one could understand her better...
@gryffinclawgymgirls0911
@gryffinclawgymgirls0911 5 жыл бұрын
This actually makes sense, it's kinda changed my mind although I do agree she is boring to watch but I do get the concept and I've come e to realise how she serves as contrast to Wilf's happy and jolly personality and I feel that she is a very realistic character who has the most realistic reactions
@funbricks1
@funbricks1 Жыл бұрын
She's boring as HELL though, sorry!
@marvelsomething1952
@marvelsomething1952 5 жыл бұрын
James cordon was awesome in 'the wrong mans' and I liked him in Dr who a lot
@SuperEpicNiceGuy
@SuperEpicNiceGuy 5 жыл бұрын
Love preventing Cyber-conversion is also not a one time thing, Craig prevented conversion because of his baby, Stormagedan, crying.
@Seussenshmirtz
@Seussenshmirtz 5 жыл бұрын
That's some intense rain.
@Payne2view
@Payne2view 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, we know who number one is. :-)
@muklowd
@muklowd 5 жыл бұрын
+1 internet for you :)
@simplyepic1732
@simplyepic1732 5 жыл бұрын
Harriet Jones!! That scene in the stolen earth makes her my 2nd favourite character ever !!! Yes I know who you are !!!
@KerstinMamma
@KerstinMamma 5 жыл бұрын
It started to rain when you mentioned that it was raining, WITCHCRAFT!
@Lovemypirates11211
@Lovemypirates11211 5 жыл бұрын
I completely agree on #1, I really enjoyed her as a recurring character and always chuckled when she'd go to introduce herself. "Yes, we know who you are" Haha, even the Sycorax knew who she was. I didn't know there was hate for Danny Pink. I liked him a lot and just felt bad for him, as I thought Clara and the Doctor treated him terribly.
@mowietecha
@mowietecha 5 жыл бұрын
Harriet Jones gets bonus points for being Shawn's Mum
@Peacefrog88
@Peacefrog88 5 жыл бұрын
I think I just found my new favourite Who-tuber
@tylerbailey9329
@tylerbailey9329 5 жыл бұрын
One word. STRAX!
@krissa9664
@krissa9664 4 жыл бұрын
umm you now he was on the list... right?
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
And we will MELT HIM WITH ACID Uh strax?? ....and we will n o t. MELT HIM WITH ACID
@DiscoTimelordASD
@DiscoTimelordASD 3 жыл бұрын
I really felt like Harriet Jones was just a normal, every day woman with only her common sense and hard work behind her. She wasn't special or glamorous, she was just a very down to Earth person who found herself thrust into these situations and had to make those massively powerful decisions that none of us would want to make. I like how normal she was, yet so brave and resourceful and like you said - willing to do anything for the actual greater good. I liked Craig too because it was interesting to see how chaotic he could make someone's life in one episode and the strength he gave them that carried onto the next encounter. I agree that bringing him back would not be a good idea.
@paindepices4939
@paindepices4939 5 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't Starx count as a companion ? The Doctor came to pick him with the TARDIS in A Good Man Goes To War Vastra and Jenny too ^^
@andrewbowman4611
@andrewbowman4611 5 жыл бұрын
My main issue with Danny is he comes across, at times, as controlling and/or emotionally manipulative. Whether that's down to Samuel Anderson's performance, or if it was authorial intent, I've no idea, but he just feels 'wrong' somehow.
@tomnorton4277
@tomnorton4277 Жыл бұрын
Danny encouraged Clara to calm down after the incident in Kill the Moon so that she could repair her relationship with the Doctor. If he was controlling or manipulative, he would have encouraged her to stay away from him so that he could have her for himself.
@andrewbowman4611
@andrewbowman4611 Жыл бұрын
@@tomnorton4277 My instinct at the time was he was being supportive in words only. His intent, I felt, was more coercive than that. Looking back, I'm not entirely sure I agree with that stance now, but I still don't find the character particularly likeable. As I say, I don't know why.
@tcshack701
@tcshack701 5 жыл бұрын
I think the thing with Jenny is that she is a fighter but she is not expected to be, plus you kind of see her evolve and taking more chances as the episodes progress.
@simplyepic1732
@simplyepic1732 5 жыл бұрын
I love the fact you put her first thank you!!!!!
@carlrood4457
@carlrood4457 5 жыл бұрын
When looking at the classic series, there are just fewer to pick from since outside of the UNIT era, The Doctor didn't re-encounter that many characters. There was Professor Travers, the Alpha Centauri Ambassador from the two Peladon episodes, and Sabalom Glitz that I can think of off hand. The "never traveled in the TARDIS" criteria can get a little dicey. In The Three Doctors, Benton and the Brigadier were in the TARDIS when it got sucked into the anti-matter universe. It wasn't under its own power, but they technically traveled in the TARDIS. Brigadier also traveled in Mawdryn Undead (without The Doctor) and at the end of The Five Doctors (timey wimey at best). For Liz Shaw, I consider her a companion because she did all the companion things moreso than the military regulars from UNIT. She didn't travel in the TARDIS only because she couldn't.
@alunrundle162
@alunrundle162 5 жыл бұрын
One thing you may not know is Osgood is also a nod to classic fandom. In 'The Daemons' - one of Pertwee's stories - the Doctor is trapped inside a heat barrier and has to work with the Brigadier's technical fella to create a device to get through. Sergeant Osgood. I very much doubt the name is a co-incidence.
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
is it possible the sergeant is the father/grandfather of modern Osgood, no the name is NOT a coincident!
@maxeyre2024
@maxeyre2024 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty solid list. Definitely agree with number one too. Also gotta say the actress of Harriet Jones (Penelope Wilton) is on my second favourite show Downton Abbey and that definitely boosted it up for me as well.
@dionneyoumans2438
@dionneyoumans2438 5 жыл бұрын
Loved your list!! And I agree with your number 1.
@hollyvanwye4438
@hollyvanwye4438 4 жыл бұрын
Harriet Jones would be my top pick. I'm also very glad to see Danny Pink on your list. I loved his character. In fact, the only time I ever really enjoyed Clara was in her interactions with him. Clara henpecked the Doctor (especially #12) mercilessly and took on an annoyingly godlike persona, but with Danny she seemed much more human and vulnerable.
@johncarlosanchez7841
@johncarlosanchez7841 5 жыл бұрын
You're really one of my favorite KZfaqrs!
@gryffinclawgymgirls0911
@gryffinclawgymgirls0911 5 жыл бұрын
I like *really* like your nail varnish, it's such a pretty colour 😍
@linasmile3274
@linasmile3274 5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes i skip an Episode of the Season i'm watching. Fathers Day was one of it and i was happy that i saved it for a time without new from who.
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
You skip one to like save it for later?? I really like that idea
@scaper8
@scaper8 5 жыл бұрын
But wouldn't the memebers of the Paternoster Gang count under your definition of companion? They all traveled via the TARDIS in "A Good Man Goes to War," do they not?
@k.stewart007
@k.stewart007 5 жыл бұрын
He doesn't include that because we never actually seen them in the tardis. We assume it's the only poisible way they could have got there, but we didn't see it sooo
@anthonyjones6870
@anthonyjones6870 5 жыл бұрын
but we literally see Vastra travel in the TARDIS in The Snowmen
@BenNightHound
@BenNightHound 4 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyjones6870 try rewatching that episode, I recently rewatched it and no she doesn't
@BenNightHound
@BenNightHound 4 жыл бұрын
You never see them enter nor exit the Tardis or inside the Tardis
@anthonyjones6870
@anthonyjones6870 4 жыл бұрын
@@BenNightHound no I'm referring to a different episode, 'The Snowmen' in which we see vastra enter the TARDIS and travel in it
@esther4371
@esther4371 5 жыл бұрын
LOVE Harriet!! It's entirely plausible that she talked the daleks out of killing her #BringBackHarriet 😁 Strax is my 2nd, just because he cracks me up. Vastra, Jenny and Osgood round out my top 5. I still think they should do a spin off show with Strax, Vastra and Jenny 😆
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
look on big finish, they have three stories!
@SimsinWonderland
@SimsinWonderland 5 жыл бұрын
On rewatch I actually really liked Danny. He got some amazing moments. I loved him calling out the Doctor as an 'officer' when they met and his answer to "When did you get so wise?" "Same as anyone else. I had a really bad day." Also him selflessly giving up his chance to live in order to give the boy his life back.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think Danny was over-hated at the time. I think he's definitely one of the better developed supporting characters.
@VortexTraveller
@VortexTraveller 5 жыл бұрын
I personally DESPISE Ashildr/Me and would put her in a list of the WORST characters to ever appear on the show, even excluding Hell Bent. Its mainly due to one line in In The Woman who lived, when asked why she didn't use the immortality capsule on anyone, what was her response? "No one's good enough." even though we later find out that includes HER OWN CHILDREN! If she'd said "why would I inflict immortality on anyone else" or something along those lines that would of been reasonable and made sense but she didn't she said "No one's good enough." making her come across as completely callous! Even after seemingly learning her lesson by the end she switches right back to being an awful person in Face the Raven. It might of worked if she was meant to be a villain but I don't think that was what Moffat was going for.
@evo_is_confused
@evo_is_confused 5 жыл бұрын
1: It's Ashildr not Ashislder. 2: She had multiple children and saving just one would have been cruel 3: As the Nightmare she is awesome
@VortexTraveller
@VortexTraveller 5 жыл бұрын
BladeOfFlames Productions My bad on the spelling corrected it now. It was more the callous way she came across if she'd given the reason that she considered immortality a curse she didn't want to inflict on anyone else I'd have no issue but she just said "No one was good enough".
@TheGerkuman
@TheGerkuman 5 жыл бұрын
Vortex Traveller. Including herself
@TheCrippledEgg
@TheCrippledEgg 5 жыл бұрын
I’m glad she didn’t return for series 10. I hope they NEVER bring her back.
@xYourssTrulyy
@xYourssTrulyy 5 жыл бұрын
Also, the alien tech square that made Ashildr immortal stops the aging process unlike Captain Jack's immortality. If I'm remembering correctly, we see a scene of her crying over what appears to be babies. If she had given one of her children immortality before they grew up they would be eternal babies. Even if she was planning on giving one immortality, the plague took them away before she had the chance.
@mitchellmcphillamy315
@mitchellmcphillamy315 5 жыл бұрын
I really like how this list turned out
@zvimur
@zvimur 5 жыл бұрын
Danny Pink was the punching bag that punched back.
@werlost
@werlost 5 жыл бұрын
I liked danny pink. He was an interesting foil to the doctor. I didn't like clara with capaldi. She got on my nerves. I wish she had left and danny had become a companion. I always thought that the doctor was projecting his own self hatred onto danny in regards to his participation in the time war. In a good man goes to war, that one girl says in the language of her people, the doctor is translated as warrior. This is especially seen in him asking himself if he was a good man. Danny, i think, reminded him too much of himself, so it was easier for him to be mean to him. I wonder if he didn't understand why someone would choose to become a soldier. I don't think the doctor had a choice in the time war (at least pre 50th timeline). It was either let the time war go on and destroy the universe or use the moment.
@AysKuz
@AysKuz 5 жыл бұрын
Agree 100% with all what you said.
@rekisrax7344
@rekisrax7344 5 жыл бұрын
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@dragonofmordor
@dragonofmordor 5 жыл бұрын
Great list. I liked Danny too. Strax and Vastra would be at the top of my list, followed by Harriet. But this list is great.
@mschrisfrank2420
@mschrisfrank2420 5 жыл бұрын
Vastra, Jenny, and Straxx are my favorites.
@torbayota
@torbayota 3 жыл бұрын
I do like Strax but yes in the modern series the Sontarans are for sure watered down and less scary, which I miss. But what I love is the sarah jane adventures episode where she finds a sontaran ship and she is downright terrified seeing it again, she knows that she, with this ragtag team of kids are way out of the depth and she cannot handle this alone, that's how much of a threat they are. It was like watching the sontaran experiment cliffhanger where they are finally revealed again.
@badwolf2108
@badwolf2108 5 жыл бұрын
my problem with Danny is the plot hole that he leaves. In the future, there is a descendant of Danny, Olsen pink, my question is How does he exist if Danny died before having any children?
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 5 жыл бұрын
Because Danny wasn’t the only member of his family who might have had kids.
@badwolf2108
@badwolf2108 5 жыл бұрын
fair point
@pedroxqui
@pedroxqui 5 жыл бұрын
No, it's because timey wimey stuff
@logansmith2703
@logansmith2703 5 жыл бұрын
Twin brother.
@k.stewart007
@k.stewart007 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe Danny's death wasn't a fixed point? Alternate future maybe. The doctor was definitely more willing than usual to help try to get him back, even finding him a way to come back. So yh. Time can be re-written on that one..
@theunamiable
@theunamiable 5 жыл бұрын
A well-argued list.
@bigsisterlynx7554
@bigsisterlynx7554 5 жыл бұрын
I love 💕 your Nail Polish 💅! I got distracted in the beginning of the video hahaha. I agree with this list. I absolutely love Vastra and her Gang especially in aiding a good man goes to war episodes and all the earth reptilian sisters Vastra has just show up to support in The Cause to save the Child and Amy.
@mobro538
@mobro538 5 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe you didn’t include Captain Erisa Magambo *Salutes*
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 5 жыл бұрын
Don't... don't salute.
@ITSMeatMan
@ITSMeatMan 5 жыл бұрын
I’m fairly certain that the paternoster gang have traveled with the doctor from the a good man goes to war episode Edit: wait so do we have to see the people in the tardis or can it be presumed because in the episode the tardis appears in their house and in the next scene they are on the weird military spaceship thing
@logansmith2703
@logansmith2703 5 жыл бұрын
We have to be 100% certain they were in the TARDIS.
@gryffinclawgymgirls0911
@gryffinclawgymgirls0911 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah i think he said in another we have to physically see them in the TARDIS and not just implyed
@oneblankspace4919
@oneblankspace4919 4 жыл бұрын
They are seen in the TARDIS on Trenzalore when the Great Intelligence, Clara, and the Doctor enter the Doctor's timestream
@BenNightHound
@BenNightHound 4 жыл бұрын
They have to be seen entering, exiting or inside of the Tardis and travel in it so no 'A Good Man Goes to War' and 'The Name of the Doctor' do not count
@thenerdofthenorth8205
@thenerdofthenorth8205 5 жыл бұрын
Hold on, I might be missing something, but what about Captain Avery and his boy and Dorium Maldovar? Was hopin they'd be here.
@BenNightHound
@BenNightHound 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say yes to Dorium but no to Avery as Avery is a historical figure and I don't really count those
@darynvoss7883
@darynvoss7883 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm I pretty much agreed with all this. You're damned right about Danny. Great character, really solid moral core.
@k.stewart007
@k.stewart007 5 жыл бұрын
Agree with your number 1. Agree with what you said about Danny. I could never put my finger on why I didn't like him even though I did like his character. You really summed it up for me. Definitely agree with everything you said about Jenny. I probably would have tried to squeeze Amelia in there. I know technically she's Amy but still, I think she deserves her own credit.
@flop47
@flop47 5 жыл бұрын
I... think the reason Kate took such a hit in the zygon episodes was partially due to Clara. In order to beef up Clara's intelligence and importance in the episodes, she made a lot of deductions and performed actions that Kate was easily capable of performing herself and would have, had Clara not been the centre of attention. I'm really hoping the UNIT gang make a reappearance in S11 because I love them in the BF audios and they deserve more onscreen character time (bonus points if Josh and Sam make an appearance).
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
I have despised IT since series seven, and yes I agree, Kate is a scientist, IT is an English teacher (not that theres anything wrong with English teachers they can be quite brilliant!!), what makes IT so much better!
@peacefuldawn6823
@peacefuldawn6823 5 жыл бұрын
The character of Me is interesting. But Mazie Williams was absolutely awful at portraying it.
@landlighterfirestar5550
@landlighterfirestar5550 4 жыл бұрын
I hated her Her absolute confidence in bossing the Doctor around and basically being perfectly ok with letting Clara die and sending the Doctor into effectiveally TimeLord Hell She is awful
@multi-purposebiped7419
@multi-purposebiped7419 3 жыл бұрын
Re Jenny: Ever since the first doctor and Katarina, the show's writers have struggled to integrate companions from history or from other retrograde societies. Their only real success has been Jamie, mainly by giving him plenty of warrior stuff to do. I'm guessing writers consider the rewards too small to justify the challenge. I've never tried writing a Doctor Who story so I can't imagine how difficult a challenge that is. What I do know is Louise Jameson (Leela) quit the job because the writers side stepped that challenge.
@shawnlopez2317
@shawnlopez2317 5 жыл бұрын
This was good. It will be nice to see this applied to the classic Who stuff when you finally get done with it....!
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 4 жыл бұрын
there are very few, because the classic era companions were companions, the only two who dont meet the traveling criteria is Liz Shaw and Captain Mike Yates from 3rds era, but thirds era was the exception because his first three years were earthbound
@elizabeths50
@elizabeths50 5 жыл бұрын
Strax traveled once in the TARDIS, in a Good Man Goes To War, and Vastra twice, once in a Good Man Goes To War and The Snowmen Christmas special.
@Luuuna
@Luuuna 5 жыл бұрын
Where would Vincent have been on the companion list?
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 3 жыл бұрын
not a companion
@linasmile3274
@linasmile3274 5 жыл бұрын
I liked Graig very much too. 11th and him are so cutsey together
@gregorymanu4704
@gregorymanu4704 5 жыл бұрын
Didn't Vastra travel in the TARDIS in The Snowmen?
@Silverwind87
@Silverwind87 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I think Amy Pond was the Whovian self-insert before Osgood. Everybody who grew up with this show dreamed about the Doctor taking them away.
@marionbaggins
@marionbaggins Жыл бұрын
I was the same age as young Amy, *not Karen her Cousin* and never have I agreed so hard!!!
@samuelbarber4154
@samuelbarber4154 4 жыл бұрын
I liked Kate Stuart in DotD, but she was very stupid in arming a nuke right beneath London to stop a few Zygons from getting the artefacts. I mean, a normal bomb would work just fine,
@FortoFight
@FortoFight 5 жыл бұрын
Regarding the Osgood thing, the whole point in the two-Osgoods dynamic is that it's ambiguous to everyone except themselves as to which one is human. Therefore, after one of them died it would make sense for the other to not reveal whether she's human or zygon. In which case, the decision for the replacement doesn't consider the species of the current Osgood a factor. I guess it would be pushing it if they always replaced one of them with a Zygon and never a human though.
@muklowd
@muklowd 5 жыл бұрын
I always assumed it was the Zygon who died because otherwise who is Zygella going to copy? Can a Zygon copy a Zygon copy of a Human? Seems a bit of a stretch given how the Zygons had to keep the human alive in order to be able to mimic them accurately earlier in the two parter.
@AlexLaw_Qld
@AlexLaw_Qld 5 жыл бұрын
I vaguely recall mention Petronella Osgood was a twin. Se may have been replaced by her twin sister.
@nightowl8477
@nightowl8477 5 жыл бұрын
9:25 *SPACESHIP*
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a huge fan of Corden but I like him a fair bit as Craig, he played the character really well and his relationship with his girlfriend and Alfie was so sweet
@JoeSheepFTW
@JoeSheepFTW 5 жыл бұрын
Great list and fair points as always, but I believe Strax should be considered as a companion by your definition. When he is first introduced, the TARDIS lands next to him and he walks towards it. Granted, we never saw him in the ship, but it’s almost certain that that’s how he got to Demon’s Run. It doesn’t really matter, though, and basically everything else you said I agreed with (except I would place Kate a few spots higher, even with series 9).
@HazarTulum
@HazarTulum 5 жыл бұрын
All the planes around the world have stopped. "Thats alot of passengers" "Thats alot of fuel" Oh god... you're right!" *SERIOUSLY KATE?!* You thought of the passengers, but not the fuel??!! Hell, the ENTIRETY of UNIT, and nobody thought of how much fuel was up there?
@joeowen2286
@joeowen2286 5 жыл бұрын
Jenny Strax and Vastra all travelled in the tardis off trenzalore in time of the doctor so they are companions!
@joeowen2286
@joeowen2286 5 жыл бұрын
Also earlier in a good man goes to war,
@tjz9218
@tjz9218 5 жыл бұрын
Craig would have been my #1. Love the new tag line BTW.
@yovliporat8608
@yovliporat8608 5 жыл бұрын
Have you read "Devil in the Smoke"? It's a Vastra-Jenny-Strax story that's really fun and really nice if you like the characters. Also, the audiobook is read by Dan Starky, who plays Strax, so his Strax voice is awesome :D
@SuperYouFox
@SuperYouFox 5 жыл бұрын
Madame Vastra did technically travel in the TARDIS. Not through time or very far, but in The Snowmen, she and 11 did technically travel in the TARDIS from the House to the Great Intelligence.
@jonathan.palfrey
@jonathan.palfrey 5 жыл бұрын
I was interested to hear what you have to say about them, although I wouldn't rank them in that order myself! Although I like Jenny, I think I like Vastra better; and Vastra could function without Jenny, whereas it's unclear how Jenny could fit into the series without Vastra.
@timbogymbro66
@timbogymbro66 5 жыл бұрын
I quite like Danny Pink as well. Glad to see that I'm not the only one ;)
@59rlmccormack
@59rlmccormack 5 жыл бұрын
That was good. But you probably forgot a few, I think it was Wilfred Mott you left off. Oh not to mention, uh, Jackie Tyler. Will you do a second companion list and talk about the other companions?
@jarjared3522
@jarjared3522 5 жыл бұрын
Before Series 9 I wanted a television spin off about UNIT led by Kate Stewart, but after the Zygon two-parter I said "On second thought, nah."
@julieeverett7442
@julieeverett7442 3 жыл бұрын
big finish did 4 of the them actually, havent heard them yet!
@mikemalo47
@mikemalo47 5 жыл бұрын
Strax isn't your normal sontarin , some where along his story line something happen to change him or he might be an experimental clone batch , never seen a medic sontarin in past or future eras. Jenney has such a joy in being who she is.
@rhiannondixon1854
@rhiannondixon1854 5 жыл бұрын
I know it's nothing to do with the content of the video but your nail polish colour is mesmerising, somebody tell me what it is or recommend me one similar!!!
@danielsleeper2307
@danielsleeper2307 5 жыл бұрын
The Osgood dilemma isn't about one HAS to be Human, the other HAS to be Zygon. But, if the human died, could the Zygons even retain a copy of her?
@emilybroderick2421
@emilybroderick2421 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I would love to see the Doctor's Daughter, Jenny, come back, at least for one episode. It's something I've wanted for a long time, and I think she would be great to introduce for another one-off story with 13. One recurrence.
@alim.9801
@alim.9801 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, the problem wasn't her, she was great and had so much potential. It's just the episode didn't take advantage of any of it.
@YGOTolley
@YGOTolley 5 жыл бұрын
I thought Strax traveled in the Tardis when the Doctor was getting an army together to get Amy back
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 5 жыл бұрын
Implied but not explicit.
@Deathlygunn
@Deathlygunn 5 жыл бұрын
Slight argument with your list, while we don't see them enter the TARDIS or inside it, it's established that Strax and Jenny travel with The Doctor in the TARDIS to get from their allotted points in Time and Space to Demons Run, whilst I'm pretty sure that Madame Vastra travels in the TARDIS during The Snowmen to get to the GI headquarters.
@Yan_Alkovic
@Yan_Alkovic 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this was a really nice list and Harriet was really quite surprising and I was glad that she was there cause it reminded me of this overlooked yet really great character, so thanks for that. But I have to rant on Danny cause I believe that he is not as strong of a spirit as you might think. Personally I quite enjoyed him but that was mostly because Clara liked him and I believed in her judgement to find the partner that was best for her, though he himself didn't really grab me. But then after Death in Heaven I really started hating him and here's why: When given the option to come back to Clara and continue their relationship he instead chooses to redeem himself and calm the demons of his past by resurrecting the boy he'd accidentally killed while on duty. Now I'm obviously not saying that that is not a horrible memory to live with. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have just gotten over it because accidental killing of innocents has got to be the worst thing that a conscientious soldier could do and it causes most terrible guilt and self-persecution for a person (like Craig Boone from Fallout New Vegas who killed multiple Khan civilians during the Bitter Springs Massacre). *However* , being in a relationship and doing what's best for your partner is indefinitely more important in my opinion, as it allows a person to create a better future as opposed to mourning about the past (even if that past is really horrible) and not doing better and greater things. And to me the fact that Danny failed to see such self-evident notion and instead chose to go with the option that appeases him (and the boy's parents if they _happen to still be alive_) as opposed to going with the choice that would indeed cause more pain and grieving for him, but would ultimately lead to more good as he would continue to build his relationship with Clara and potentially even start a family. And that is why I believe that Danny Pink does not deserve to be called "strong-spirited". But that's just my opinion and you may beg to differ. Hopefully this didn't offend anyone.
@mad_the_monk
@mad_the_monk 5 жыл бұрын
Where’s Wilfred? He’s one of the best imo
@ITSMeatMan
@ITSMeatMan 5 жыл бұрын
Mad the Monk he’s technically a companion
@greghawkins59
@greghawkins59 5 жыл бұрын
Mad the Monk he traveled in the tardis, got second place in the companion list
@mad_the_monk
@mad_the_monk 5 жыл бұрын
Greg Hawkins Ah alright never mind 😂
@YoMollyF
@YoMollyF 5 жыл бұрын
He travelled in the TARDIS in the end of time
@magicthegavining
@magicthegavining 5 жыл бұрын
Mad the Monk He is a companion really
@battlegirldeb
@battlegirldeb 5 жыл бұрын
Make another list of character the travel in the Tardis that aren't really companions'
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 5 жыл бұрын
Well those would be the one-time companions, which I did a list of years back. I'll have to rewatch that to see if I feel it's worth revisiting.
@lizardlenny
@lizardlenny 5 жыл бұрын
My brother was in the Van Gogh episode :)
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 5 жыл бұрын
An extra or somebody with lines?
@lizardlenny
@lizardlenny 5 жыл бұрын
Nah just an extra. He walks past Van Gogh with a radio (wearing a scarf) after they've just got out of the tardis. Doctor tells him to ignore my brother haha. In this scene: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q8iEfayQutbMgJ8.html He also appears inside the gallery in the next scene but not as obvious.
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 5 жыл бұрын
That's pretty dang nifty!
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