Trouble shooting and solving an overheating problem with our BETA 25 diesel engine. We were surprised by what was causing the problem.
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@wonderboy65117 ай бұрын
Very methodical debugging work, Kevin. Nice! The scaling residue is probably a mixture of calcium carbonate and magnesium. The sea water in the PNW has a high content of both (1.27 g of Mg per kg of sea water and 0.4 g/kg of Ca). Descaling is part of my 5-year maintenance routine but for folks up in the PNW it may need to be more like annual). Great video, as always!
@steveburke76755 ай бұрын
I sailed the waters of the PNW for 25 years. My last boat (12 yrs) had a Universal M25XP. I never had this issue. Perhaps this is related specifically to the BETA?
@anthonyrondolino81482 жыл бұрын
What a tidy engine area and great access all around. Excellent work.
@mikaoyry9144 Жыл бұрын
I have beta 25 installed - now 2-3 hours, need to keep eye on this issue, my boat is in baltic sea, almost fresh water. Thanks for the video. I will let you know, if same happens to my engine.
@Westsail28 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'll be curious to see if you have a similar issue!
@westsail.makroro2 жыл бұрын
So much info in just one video. So good
@Westsail282 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it
@tamatadesignexeter Жыл бұрын
Great video! I've got a fairly new beta 30 on my boat and I found the same issue in the raw water system. So strange! I wanted to go a little bit deeper with my research and I have taken off the injection bend. Even there I found bits of calcium stuck.
@Westsail28 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it appears this is not an uncommon issue. I've read of a couple owners that have replaced the Stainless crossover tube with silicone hose in an effort to address the issue.
@SailingIntoOblivion Жыл бұрын
Glad to see this, thanks for the video
@bullhippo90232 жыл бұрын
What is this green glowing substance I found, I licked it with my tounge ! Lol...
@markmiller68172 жыл бұрын
Good save Kevin . Did you check the tubes in the heat exchanger ? Well if you are pumping water and not overheating you are probably safe . Over the years twice now our raw water sea cock has calciumed up solid , had to drill it out .
@Westsail282 жыл бұрын
Yes, the tubes and thermostat were all clean. The blockages were only at the silicone hose connections to the crossover pipe that runs from the raw water pump over the top of the engine to the back of the heat exchanger. Very strange, perhaps there was some residue in the crossover pipe leftover from manufacturing that settled out at those two low points?
@caljay10002 жыл бұрын
How many hours on the engine? That amount of "calcium" buildup seems unusual. Maybe the Beta forum could offer an idea. Your engine compartment is nicely done. From experience, those plastic lift mufflers will melt over time if u loose raw water flow while the engine is running.
@Westsail282 жыл бұрын
Just over 60 hours.
@rogerc41962 жыл бұрын
If you have any of the gunk left over -- see if it will burn or melt under heat. Should give you an idea if it's biologic, plastic or wax, etc.
@Westsail282 жыл бұрын
Good idea! I still have the larger pieces, I'll see if they will burn.
@edwardfinn41412 жыл бұрын
The calcium buildup was not likely caused by heat from the exhaust because the water in the hose was constantly being pumped and moving so it did not have a chance to get hot… That much calcium is something that I have not experienced either… If it’s calcium then it will dissolve in an acid, try soaking it in strong vinegar, and watch for bubbles, Failing vinegar try a stronger acid such as Hydrochloric - Muratic acic( HCl) , or Sulfuric acid used to clean mortar from bricks… Moving on, I really like that fuel filter and hand Primer pump, can you tell us where you sourced it?
@Westsail282 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I mentioned in the video, I did try soaking the material in vinegar for a couple days to no effect. I found it interesting that the two deposits were only at the ends of the of the crossover pipe connecting the raw water pump to the heat exchanger inlet. There was no other buildup to be found within the pump or the heat exchanger. Makes me wonder if the material may have been some sort of machining residue that was left in the crossover pipe and settled at those two low points. The engine had only about 60 hours running time when the issue developed. I'm at about 100 hours now with no evidence of a return of the issue. The diesel filter is a Racor/Parker #445R10. I purchased it from Fisheries Supply in Seattle.
@edwardfinn41412 жыл бұрын
Westsail 28 STARWHITE Thanks Great channel, great boat , best of luck!
@cousinjack28412 жыл бұрын
As an old diesel fuel injection mechanic; I could not count how many of those filter / primer units I have had to repair / change over the years. (I used to run a diagnostics workshop; so basically fault finding) Those primers love to fail and draw air into the system at the most inconvenient moments. If I had one on my boat; it wouldn't be there for long.
@RogerThatSailing2 жыл бұрын
Weird on a new engine.
@Westsail282 жыл бұрын
Yes, it was. The connecting hoses are silicone and much of the blockage was within those hoses. I can't think of any reason why that might matter. I spoke with 3 different BETA dealers and they all said it was strange.
@redwood19572 ай бұрын
Did you notice when you first started your engine in port that your normal overboard discharge was reduced flow or not at all? I enjoyed video.Thank you
@Westsail282 ай бұрын
I NOW check the overboard discharge everytime I start the engine. But at the time of this incident, I did not. I just did not expect such an issue with a new engine. So much for expectations!
@redwood19572 ай бұрын
@@Westsail28 Do you shut your cooling water in take valve when your in port?
@Westsail282 ай бұрын
@@redwood1957 Not normally, but I will close it when I'm doing work on the engine.
@redwood19572 ай бұрын
@@Westsail28 I close it when not sailing. Adds separation from sea water. Pre engine start is woc. Water oil cooling check are all good to go
@martinwade78242 жыл бұрын
Did you check the zinc? I hear they go quick.
@Westsail282 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've found that I only get about 4/5 months per engine zinc. They are quite small, roughly 1/4" diameter and an inch or so long.
@russellthomson55712 жыл бұрын
I get zinc sulphate build up. Is this after the zinc?
@russellthomson55712 жыл бұрын
I have no solution except to clean it annually.
@Westsail282 жыл бұрын
No, these build ups were before the zinc, in the raw water inlet line. The zinc on this engine is on the outlet side of the heat exchanger.
@russellthomson55712 жыл бұрын
Unusual to get deposits at the raw water pump. Just clean annually.
@SailingKitabu Жыл бұрын
Very odd. Totally blocked at 60 hours w/ raw water strainer installed? I'm calling Beta for a check for my 2.5 hrs plus the parts. That is total BS. No way that is salt or even calcium. Looks like some electrolytic precipitate from dissimilar metals i.e. bronze thru hull connected via seawater to stainless tube? I don't know enough about the issue but that is clearly a design / manufacturing flaw. Stupid hiw easily that could kill your engine as well. I have a 49 year old Perkins that runs like a top and is spotless inside the cooling system. The pipes are mild steel.... let us know if you discern the culprit!