Better than you think, worse than I thought. Salomon Advanced Skin 12 for Trail Running

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The Salomon Adv Skin 12 is a good hydration pack that will work well for most runners unless you're planning to use it with a bladder.
Trail running is my passion and I needed a hydration vest that could accommodate a bladder since most of my runs are self-supported. I’ve heard a lot of great things about this pack so when it came time to upgrade old Nathan vest I decided to see what all the hype was about. And while I can see why so many folks love this pack, it did not work well for me. I found several significant issues with the bladder, and the quick fit system took me a while to get used to.
My opinion of this pack comes down to how you plan on using it. If you primarily use soft flasks when you run, this will be a great durable vest! The comfort and versatility is fantastic, and once you get that fit dialed in, it feels pretty amazing to run in. But if you want a hydration vest that can be used with a bladder, and/or you have fumble fingers like me, I would probably find something else.
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UltraTrailSteven: 2022 Salomon ADV Skin 12 Review / Best vest for self-supported runs • 2022 Salomon ADV Skin ...
Trekker Fox "How to attach a hydration bladder to the Salomon ADV SKIN 12 Running Backpack"
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Footage notes: Most shots were taken at Rolling Hill Park and Mill Creek Park (aka Hollow Woods) in Gladwyne PA, and Bear Rocks & Knife’s Edge in Andreas PA. #salomon #advskin12 #bestrunningvests #trailrunning #run #running #salomonrunning #runningvest #trailrun
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Table of Contents:
0:00 Intro
0:45 Product details
2:52 My likes
5:23 Dislikes
7:52 Pricing
8:32 Conclusion
9:23 Bloopers

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@UltraTrailSteven Жыл бұрын

Great and thorough review as always, Sage! Thanks for the shout-out too! Love the bloopers! HA

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks Steven. I had a blast making this one!

@brandankoen Жыл бұрын

Hey Sage! I work at Salomon and I really enjoyed this review of our Adv Skin 12 pack. I've got an easy solve for your bladder tube issue. The best way to utilise this tube is to route it through the bottom and up inside the pack to your right as you've done - then just underneath the Salomon logo on your chest there is a fairly large elastic loop which the tube sit inside of. Once you've secured it, just cut the tube to your desired length and it'll work like a charm. Happy Trails!

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Brandan. I'll give that a shot. In the future, please tell the design team to consider a shoulder strap and magnetic attachment point for the hose. I don't think it will add that much weight, and it would improve the usability a great deal for bladder users like myself. Thanks again for watching and commenting.

@gilstewart4069 Жыл бұрын

i have the same pack with same issues...I dont buy a product to have to remodel it...i do like it though..when my hands are cold i have a heck of a time using the cords to make secure

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

@@gilstewart4069 Glad to hear I'm not the only one that struggles with those cords, lol. Thanks for watching and commenting Gil

@RobsAdventures 9 ай бұрын

You don’t have to cut the tube to length, just coil a loop in it within your pack and it puts the tube at the correct length. I used mine for the first time the other day and it was perfect. However, I did have to search for a set up video on KZfaq or I would have been puzzled like you were.

@Jon-hb6gx 9 ай бұрын

@@trailsagerunninghowever, many don't want a permanent magnet connector on a pack when they don't intend to use it. The pack is primarily for trail runners and most trail runners use soft flasks.

@MihaiGoRunning Жыл бұрын

Sage, I really appreciated your review of the Salomon Advanced Skin 12. Your frank and thorough assessments of the quick fit system's suitability for bladder use were very helpful. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with us!

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mihai. I think it's important to be honest and clear about everything, not just the likes, but also the dislikes.

@amircastilla07 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the little tricks and tips you had included in your video which I couldn't figure out without your input. I also had issues with the bladder tube. Thank you for your effort and helpful information. You have a cool training spot.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Right on Amir, I'm glad you found the video helpful. Thank you for the kind words.

@ApexPredator991 Жыл бұрын

You got the quality Champ, Keep up the motivation 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼📈

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Right on. Thanks for the kind words of encouragement.

@KirstenQuickFit Жыл бұрын

Such great detail Sage!! I know running with less weight and bulk is the way to go! Personally - the more pockets the better!!! Well-rounded and knowledgeable review!!! Always top notch!!! Thanks Sage!!

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks Kirsten! I agree, more pockets the better. I appreciate the support and feedback!

@OlgasBritishFells Жыл бұрын

Great review, Sage, very detailed. Love watching you run like a mountain goat especially when you are doing parkour.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

lol Thanks Olga. I might have to design a mountain goat t-shirt now ;)

@ianchiang84 10 ай бұрын

Great honest review. Underrated.

@trailsagerunning 10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much Ian!

@Labrador7 Жыл бұрын

Great review with excellent considerations not seen on other videos!

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks Paolo. I do my best to try and approach each video with honesty and some new perspectives. I appreciate the feedback!

@DevRunner Жыл бұрын

I definitely can't do without my back pouch for a hydration bladder! I can't deal with water weight hanging from my chest. Great detailed review Sage! Keep pushing!

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul. The weight distribution was something I had not thought of, great feedback!.

@anthonyvega3060 Жыл бұрын

I still laugh a little seeing those tightening toggles. It was a fun day and you made a fantastic video and solid review.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Agreed! That was so much fun to make. Thank you for your help filming too.

@timeonfeet Жыл бұрын

Excellent review Sage. I've never ventured into Salomon vests myself, I run with a Harrier or Decathlon one, but this gives a really slick insight into how they fair. Nice job 👍

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ben! I've never heard of Harrier or Decathlon, would you recommend those vests?

@timeonfeet Жыл бұрын

@@trailsagerunning Harrier are great, an independent UK brand, really comfy and good value too

@trailrunningforlife Жыл бұрын

I use the Adv Skin 12. Loved watching this review, even though I've run with one of these packs for a year now. I agree with most points. For the 2L water bladder tube, I actually don't even bother with the proper routing path and never have. There is a smallish canvas loop about half way down the right chest strap area - I route the tube through there (over my right shoulder) and keep the excess drinking end tucked in under one of the flexible chest retention strings. I find this is the best configuration for me. I'll be doing a 200 miler soon and have just purchased a Montane 20L vest so I'm now starting to train with that. I still love the Salomon Adv Skin 12 though, and will have it as a spare/backup pack (I might even switch to it for checkpoints that are closer to each other). Congrats on the new channel by the way! Cool that you've branched out for running specific content here!

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Excellent feedback Sean! I will give that a shot. So do you like the Montane better? I was thinking about checking out a UD vest.

@trailrunningforlife Жыл бұрын

@@trailsagerunning I'm only just getting acquainted with the Gecko VP 20L - it's a lot bigger than I expected! That extra 8L is surprising. It fits nicely and feels comfortable enough, but I need more time to figure out how I position gear and all of that before I form any solid opinions. One thing I'm worried about is overloading it - not sure how it'll handle a lot of weight in terms of how it moves around with the running. I'll definitely be trying that out.

@chapletgymworkout Жыл бұрын

That's amazing video 😻 keep it up

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks Chaplet!

@mobilewintercamp7515 Жыл бұрын

Great video. I don’t run but between hiking, mountain biking and snowmobiling I’m always interested in packs and vests. Very thorough. Good footage , cinematography, editing and presentation too.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. I enjoyed making this video, and despite the bladder issues it's a good vest.

@danedralin8064 Жыл бұрын

Great review

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Dan!

@Anachkin_Adventures 6 ай бұрын

Hi Sage, great video, thanks for the review! Just a small tip for the attachment of your bladder, in case you didn't figure it out yet: what works perfectly for me is to put the plastic piece attached to the loop on the pack through the loop of the insulation sleeve (that's first put through the eyelet on the bladder) and then to squeeze the plastic piece and move it all the way to the base of its loop (where the loop is attached to the pack). That should hold the whole together quite well, I never experienced any problems with that.

@trailsagerunning 6 ай бұрын

Good stuff Anachkin. Thank you for the feedback. I've actually given up on the bladder and now I just carry extra soft flasks, lol.

@seekingUltraNick Жыл бұрын

Great review Sage! Appreciate your views here. I currently run the 5 Sense Pro, which is the much smaller sibling to the Advance Skin, but I have to say I can still fit a 1.5L Nathan bladder in the back (even though I’m not supposed to!) and fit some clothing and plenty of fuel items up front! Same as you, I wouldn’t buy it again but it’s served me just fine this past year.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Interesting. What pack would you get next Nick? I am thinking about trying UD next.

@freeian2 Жыл бұрын

My thoughts as well. Nathan zippers and pockets usually decompose too fast. Purchased an Ultraspire and the bungees have failed too often-thoughtful pockets/storage though. Which why I was pondering UD for next vest. New subscriber-thanks for the reviews/trail action.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

@@freeian2 Thank you so much for your comment, feedback and support!

@Health-is-Money Жыл бұрын

great running session, the view is beautiful

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thank you. It is a challenging place to run for sure

@BryanHiatt Жыл бұрын

@@trailsagerunning I was thinking the same thing. Is this area anywhere close to the chambersburg/harrisburg area?

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

@@BryanHiatt Thanks Bryan. It's in the Lehigh Valley. Check out my video at Bear Rocks kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r819mZt-r7_VgJ8.html That should give you some more details. Hope that helps.

@TheDeterminedRunner Жыл бұрын

It's a nice piece of kit, Salomon really do some excellent vests that are really well thought out. It's super figure hugging for sure, I'm not a bladder user as I much prefer soft flasks, so I'd not experienced the bladder issues myself. Great reveiw Sage 😀

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks Martin. I can certainly see why so many folks love this vest. As for me, I am not the hunt for a replacement as soon as I get the funds. Any recommendations are another brand?

@TheDeterminedRunner Жыл бұрын

@@trailsagerunning Depends on what size you’re looking at? Ultimate Direction and Montane both do really well fitting vests 👍

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

@@TheDeterminedRunner Sweet. UD was already on my short list so I will def check them out now.

@CoolInOlympia Жыл бұрын

I love Salomon hydration vests!

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

I not sure I understand your comment sry

@SeeChadRun Жыл бұрын

The ADV SKIN 12 and 5 packs are great! I have the same 12 pack and also purchased the the latest ADV SKIN 5 pack last year (which is very similar but not identical to the 12). I also have a review on my channel of the ADV SKIN 5 vest. I love both packs! I don't normally run with a bladder as the two 500ml soft flasks are generally enough but I have put the HydraPak Stow 1L in the back (where the bladder goes) for extra water which I can use to refill the soft flasks when needed during a longer self supported efforts. Only downside is that you have to pull it out vs drinking from a straw.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Right on Chad, thanks for the feedback. I will continue to use my Adv Skin 12 but unfortunately the bladder and fit issues have me looking for a replacement. Might try and give UD a try once I get the funds.

@movemorenowjames Жыл бұрын

Big fan of mine - although there has been some wear and (literal) tear via the abuse I have given it … Great review as always!

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks James. I'm thinking of moving to UD for my next pack. Just need to save up some funds. Thanks for watching and commenting.

@emre-dogan-istanbul Жыл бұрын

Hello Very nice video definitely graet running session 😊😊 I liked watching .

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting Emre

@Heritage.srilanka Жыл бұрын

Wow.. it looks super works .. well keep up best share connecting my friend ✌🤗

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching.

@annvirco7308 Жыл бұрын

I do agree with the minus points about the vest ,I pop the feeding tube through the elastic on the opposite side of my chest which so far has worked,but as you say loops and magnets might have improved things I want to add to your review from a female perspective, Salomon designed a vest for female anatomy where the bottles are placed lower and curved to follow the line of anyone who has noticable breasts ,I can't praise this design enough,I've worn this vest for hours at a time and forgot I'm wearing it , so much so my friend and I came down from a hill and had Sunday lunch outdoors at a cafe last summer, I sat in my vest the whole meal because I forgot I was wearing it 🤦 I agree with the elastic being fiddly , the plus side of the elastic is it's very comfortable if you have breasts, it seems to just mould around them without causing pressure points or squashing my breasts down (an ongoing problem for myself and others who are not flat chested) On a final note ,I'm autistic and have sensory issues around clothing and anything on my body , wearing most rucksacks I was constantly aware of the strapping and would end up cutting them off or tying them up somehow but then end up with the rucksack slipping off my shoulders ,I'd tried other hydration vests but again very aware of the straps and decided against purchasing but this vest I have no sensory issues due to the fitting system. Thanks for the great review 😊👍

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind word and amazing feedback. Aside the connection points I agree the vest fits snug and conforms to the body well. Hopefully someone at Salomon will see this and improve the other negative points because this could be a great vest otherwise. Thanks again Ann.

@ericdewaard1654 Жыл бұрын

Hey @TrailSage - Running! I have the same vest. Couple of points that might help you. Small fabric loops are just above the soft flask pockets, which you can use to guide your bladder hose trough. Done that, pull back the hose a bit from inside your pack (where your actual bladder is located), and you will be able to get your preferred length, stopping any flapping around or obscuring your view.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback and tips Eric. I have since given up on the bladder and only use the soft flasks at this point, but I appreciate the insights.

@janalaughlin2197 2 ай бұрын

Thanks! I almost bought it but as a seamstress thought what you said about the single closure would be an issue. Thanks!

@trailsagerunning 2 ай бұрын

No problem Jana. LMK what you end up going with. Thanks for the comment. Sage

@FoCoFlowShow Жыл бұрын

I’m just here for more Sage 💪💪💪

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Lol right on. Thx brotha!

@supportingc2906 Жыл бұрын

Good morning dear friend 🌹🌹 Beauriful sharing 👌👌 Thank you very much dear friend 🌹🌹🌺🌺.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thx for watching

@nor83rto 6 ай бұрын

Very informative video, thank you! @Sage Ten months later, are you still using this hydration pack? If so, what solution have you adopted for the bladder? What other hydration pack would you recommend today?

@trailsagerunning 6 ай бұрын

Hey Norberto, yes I am still using the pack, but not with a bladder. I just bought a few more soft flasks and I switch them out as needed. If I had the money I would love to shop around for other options, but unfortunately that is not my reality right now. Thank you so much for watching and commenting.

@nor83rto 6 ай бұрын

Thanks @@trailsagerunning

@Usatorok 8 ай бұрын

new sub. great sound, videography and informative. Just what I was looking for. Looking at comparing this to sense pro series. I see you put your multiple gopro batteries in the unzipped pocket. First, cool or not, to see someone else that carries so many gopro batteries. I've actually gone to a usb-c connected battery to the gopro. Anyhow, question is, do you have problems with the batteries getting wet from sweat or finding their way out of the pocket? Or anything else finding it's way out of the pocket. I have this problem on my unsecured Nathan pockets.

@trailsagerunning 8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words. Regarding your question. I have not run into any issues with batteries being effected by sweat, but I do carry a spare zip lock bag with me at all times. As for zippered vs non-zippered pockets, I have not had anything fall out of the pockets, but I secure the vest pretty snug to my body. I suppose if the vest was loose that could be an issue. Hope that helps.

@Usatorok 8 ай бұрын

@@trailsagerunning thank you!! Can’t wait to watch all your videos. The “bloopers” were very entertaining.

@trailsagerunning 8 ай бұрын

@@Usatorok Right on, glad you enjoyed the bloopers. If you like that format I have another channel you should check out sometime. www.youtube.com/@TrailSage

@andyashla Жыл бұрын

Make sure you yell "parkour" when you are running in those tricky rocky sections.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

lol will do Andy. Thanks for watching brotha!

@tenchariot 11 ай бұрын

There is an attachment point on the right side of the chest - right next to the flask

@trailsagerunning 11 ай бұрын

Thanks I noticed that loop, unfortunately it is not easy to get the hose in and out of it while you are running. I think they could have come up with a better solution. But thank you for the feedback.

@killac45 8 ай бұрын

That’s weird, I own the adv 5 and there is a pass through for the bladder tube. I can’t understand why they wouldn’t do it on the 12 as well

@trailsagerunning 8 ай бұрын

I found the pass through on at the bottom. It comes up along side your chest from one of the bottom side pockets. I'm sorry if that was not clear in the video.

@user-ro7rt1be5n Жыл бұрын

Can you hear the water sloshing around in the bladder?

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

You can, but it's very minimal. The key with any bladder is getting all the air out before putting it in your pack. Hope that helps.

@garthhume Жыл бұрын

The one with the pouch at the top is the new version. You evaluated the old one.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Garth. Do you think my problems with the "old" vest would have been solved had I gotten the new one? Aside the extra pocket they seem identical to me.

@gogolaklazlo Жыл бұрын

sure, the bladder tube placement is over complicated, but your performance with the tube in the video is great :)

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Lol thx. I just feel like they over thought this one. There was no need to re-invent the wheel.

@sbogza Жыл бұрын

What size did you buy? thanks

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

I believe I went with a size small Sergey

@sbogza Жыл бұрын

@@trailsagerunning thanks, I've been shopping for a vest for Bigfoot 200 and think Solomon 12 will get the job done

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

@@sbogza That's awesome Sergey. Good luck with the Bigfoot 200!

@mmoesby Жыл бұрын

If You watch the video from Trekker Fox, Magda shows how You thread the tube correctly so You get it out through the pocket behind tha soft flask pocket. When securing the bladder in the back, thread trough the loop on the insulating cover and the top of the bladder, pull it tight with springy buckle and it stays in place. Dont go through the loop Magda shows, because it will hinder acces to the other pocket. If You do it like this, I´m sure You can get rid of two of Your cons...

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Michael. I have decided to eliminate the bladder and I just use the soft flasks at this point. When I get some more funds I will be on the hunt for a better hydration pack.

@mmoesby Жыл бұрын

@@trailsagerunning I think it´s a shame You´ve decided not to use the bladder. It eliminates to utilize the full potential of the pack.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

@@mmoesby It's all good Michael, I just bought two more flasks and I place them in the back where the bladder used to be.

@MagiaDaArte Жыл бұрын

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@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thank you Magia. Glad you enjoyed the video.

@angelalau28 9 ай бұрын

I personally don’t like chest buckle system as the extra strap keeps dangling when I run. Prefer thin cord like Salomon. The hook system just needs few practices to get used to. The water bladder tube, you just need to pull out the desire length and leave the rest inside the bag like this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fat-qqiH172xj4U.htmlsi=VV1txEDyV_vrq1kg It’s of good capacity but still super comfortable to wear!

@trailsagerunning 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tips and feedback Angela

@ididitfinallythankyou Жыл бұрын

Very nice run and vlogging ؍.َِ☹ ًٍ♥ۥَِ،! This is so entertaining to watch!🙏😍 Stay connected 😘🤗

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

@CoolInOlympia Жыл бұрын

You definitely need to thread the hose inside the vest like the comment below!

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Yes, it sounds like that is my only option at this point. Thanks for the feedback.

@03bruisercat Жыл бұрын

Buy some plastic or magnetic hose clips and sew a hose pass through on the shoulders.

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Thanks Cary. I have thought about doing that. I suppose my point was, this should be something Salomon should have done from the start.

@amandinelevecq6664 Ай бұрын

It looks like you need a one-size-smaller bag.

@trailsagerunning Ай бұрын

I think I'm ok with the size of the vest. I still currently using it with flasks and it has not been an issue. But thank you for the feedback. Sage

@trailrunning7773 Жыл бұрын

I recently bought a Salomon vest with two flasks as a gift but the flasks have a bad plastic smell even though I washed them many times it didn't change anything do you know what to do did you have the same problem thanks

@trailsagerunning Жыл бұрын

Ugh that sucks. I have not had that issue but I hope you can find a way to get rid of the smell. Good luck.

@ryanl3106 8 ай бұрын

Try using some baking soda or white vinegar (blend with tap water) to soak the flasks. Soke the flask for several hours or overnight. Sniff the flask, if there is no plastic smell, wash it with fresh water. Then, top up the flask, leave it for a few hours, and try to drink the water to see if the smell is still there. I do this to several of my bladders, which might help you remove the plastic smell, or at least most of the smell.