Beyond Transformers: The Forgotten FIRST Transformer

  Рет қаралды 22,743

The Classic Comics Forum

The Classic Comics Forum

24 күн бұрын

Before G1, and before even Macross, there was another fully transformable (and awesome) robot that's gone largely ignored in the decades since: The Diaclone Diattacker!

Пікірлер: 248
@autobotlaserbolt2128
@autobotlaserbolt2128 21 күн бұрын
This guy would look so cool if he was recolored into that giant holographic Autobot warrior Hound used to fool Devastator in "Heavy Metal War"!
@jasonparis5635
@jasonparis5635 21 күн бұрын
The holographic One that looks like broadside?
@autobotlaserbolt2128
@autobotlaserbolt2128 21 күн бұрын
@jasonparis5635 the giant white, grey, red, and blue Autobot
@uainjansun
@uainjansun 20 күн бұрын
​@@autobotlaserbolt2128 halonix maximus is the name
@autobotlaserbolt2128
@autobotlaserbolt2128 20 күн бұрын
@uainjansun Yeah, him! Dia-Attacker kinda reminds me of him.
@ricktreas3728
@ricktreas3728 20 күн бұрын
That character needs a commander size figure.
@SwedishSeacon
@SwedishSeacon 21 күн бұрын
His design was used to become Exarchon, the main villain of the 2019's reboot of the IDW Transformers comic. The toy was actually his original form before the Quintessons experimented on him in which he became the Threefold Spark.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@SwedishSeacon seriously? I'm going to have to check that out. Thank you.
@snesfan8935
@snesfan8935 20 күн бұрын
Diattacker looks like he's form Cybertron's ancient past, one of the first Autobot's who adopt the art of transformation.
@supercell615
@supercell615 21 күн бұрын
Really loving all the Brave figures I can see in the background. So glad to see someone else who appreciates them.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
Your comment makes me feel the same! I'm going to do a Brave video soon.
@UberNoodle
@UberNoodle 18 күн бұрын
@10:22 As a Macross fan it really spun me out when I read read that Shoji Kawamori also designed the original Convoy, aka Optimus Prime, toy.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 18 күн бұрын
It definitely blew my mind too!
@arx3516
@arx3516 3 күн бұрын
He also designed the Gundam mk II and Z Gundam. It explains why Convoy looks like a Gundam.
@itaqua974
@itaqua974 19 күн бұрын
diattacker got a deathsaurus vibe with his horn and the chest part
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 19 күн бұрын
Good call!
@itaqua974
@itaqua974 19 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum Diaclone reboot are awesome
@RND_ADV_X
@RND_ADV_X 18 күн бұрын
I firmly believe that a few strange incongruities such as "a truck-robot fighting a gun-robot despite their size differences" are exactly what creates great fiction that endures for a long time. That weirdness is what gives it the spark of imagination that kids don't even think twice about.
@originaluddite
@originaluddite 17 күн бұрын
Agreed.
@kennymyers6758
@kennymyers6758 17 күн бұрын
Who remembers the transformers flip changers u pulled them back and they would roll then flip up into robot
@stevenlosh4205
@stevenlosh4205 15 күн бұрын
I dig giant robots. You dig giant robots. The early 80s were a pure utopia for giant transforming robots and combiner robots at Children's Palace, and Grandpa Pigeons growing up in St Louis.
@thenuclearsandwich
@thenuclearsandwich 21 күн бұрын
I would guess that Hasbro chose the gun since it resembled an earth device. Everything in that first wave was something recognizable and you wouldn't expect it to be a "robot in disguise". Diattacker on the other hand looks like an alien ship and breaks the theme. You would kind of expect to do something extraordinary. I do kind of remember some vending company using a picture of him back in the day on some instructions that were included with a toy you would get out of those quarter crank vending machines. There were like 15 pieces of varying solid colors, maybe more, that you could collect and form a robot that sort of resembled Diattacker. Each kind of looked like an eraser but harder plastic. I only ever got one as a kid. I wish I had gotten more. Because now all it is, is a vague memory and I don't know what they called it.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
Interesting! Takara made two earlier attempts to bring Diaclone to the American market directly with both Diakron and Kronoform. The product you saw was likely an offshoot of one of those efforts. I know Diattacker was released as part of the Kronoform line. I'm not sure if he was a part of Diakron.
@thenuclearsandwich
@thenuclearsandwich 21 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum After typing my comment the mystery was nagging at me so after a little research between google and tfwiki it seems those toys were referred to as "keshi" in Japan and the robot they formed may have been Gats Blocker. I think I had gotten a foot with the quarter I begged my grandma for. LOL Like most companies, that vending company was looking to capitalize on the Transformers/Gobots craze at the time. Funny how they came up with that particular robot to bring into the states.
@scottandrewhutchins
@scottandrewhutchins 5 күн бұрын
I bought the Daimos cartoon (Starbirds) for $1 at a 99 cent shop long before that was normally a thing for DVD.
@101shapshifter
@101shapshifter 18 күн бұрын
Imagine the alternate universe where hasbro chose Diattacker as Megatron
@XMattingly
@XMattingly 2 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed this presentation! Very informative and thorough, insightful and I learned some stuff. Given the title I (almost) assumed you were going to spring a surprise that true transforming figures started years before Diaclones, but it landed roughly where I thought it would’ve - as the Diaclones line evolved. Great stuff. 😎
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 2 күн бұрын
@@XMattingly thank you much!
@torbinbequette
@torbinbequette 21 күн бұрын
Love the Brave toys on your shelf. So cool and under appreciated. I've been collecting them since the 90's.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@torbinbequette Thanks. I'm definitely going to do a video on Brave soon. So underappreciated!
@milanondrak5564
@milanondrak5564 2 сағат бұрын
We had a lot of Gobots when I was a kid. They were smaller and cheaper than transformers but they were cool. Our parents budget didn't stretch to transformers prices.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum Сағат бұрын
@@milanondrak5564 we got so many cheap knock offs that, in hindsight, were so much fun. I hope to spotlight some in future videos, and Go-Bots too!
@maxborison1217
@maxborison1217 3 күн бұрын
Your channel is amazing, your philosophy behind what makes a good transformer is great and I absolutely agree with you, love your videos, keep up the good work and I really hope you make many more videos, I'm so happy I found your channel!
@jeffheller271
@jeffheller271 3 күн бұрын
I'm so glad you're enjoying it. Thanks so much for your kind words. I'll do my best to live up to them!
@dudespin
@dudespin 13 күн бұрын
The Daimos robot was awesome. It was piloted by a man who drove a car that turbo boosted to interface with the rolling thunder in wheels size of a cruise ship transformed into Daimos controls similar to how they controlled the pacific rim bots mind you the concept went way back in the 70s!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 13 күн бұрын
@@dudespin some of those concepts were so classic!
@arx3516
@arx3516 3 күн бұрын
And the plot was basically sci-fi Romeo and Juliet.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 3 күн бұрын
@@arx3516 always interesting the connection between giant super robots and love in Japan.
@reluttr2
@reluttr2 11 күн бұрын
Ironically this guys headsculpt without the horns looks more like cartoon g1 megatron than the toy of g1 megatron did.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 11 күн бұрын
@@reluttr2 so true!
@theartisanrogue
@theartisanrogue 16 күн бұрын
Loved this! Had no idea about a lot of this! subscribed!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 16 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@voices7436
@voices7436 21 күн бұрын
That's really cool! Lots of awesome history here, man! My wife and I now have seven grandkids (I was ten when the OG Transformers series came out) and they eyeball my collection of G1 and MP's and I'm always all; "Don't EEEEVEN think about it..." So we went and got some of the Hasbro plastic Transformers Hero toys and they love them. I looked at a couple and found that their transformation isn't too dissimilar from the G1 toys - only with rounded, lightweight plastic so you don't stab your brother or cousin safety. But I made a comment to my wife of how the kind of went olde skoole with them and they still looked good and are "real world" in appearance. Makes me kind of lament for the old days, ya know? But great video, dude! Keep up the good work!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
I do the same with my kids. We really got into Titans Return together, which I think is the best Transformers line since the original in terms of sheer imagination. Some of the newer stuff is very very close to the original (and clearly modelled after it) but the heft is missing, as is some of the smoothness/fluidity in the transformation. They're not bad, but I would have liked to have seen Transformers improving in the 40 years since G1 instead of just coming close to almost being as good as the originals. I get it: folks want realism and cartoon accuracy. That's just not what I've ever been looking for, myself.
@MtgVeteran
@MtgVeteran 21 күн бұрын
so in vintage Japanese toys the colorways that were: red, white, blue, and yellow were often referred to as hero colors
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@MtgVeteran in Diaclone, at least, a lot of black was used as well. Just not with Diattacker.
@DonSchomer
@DonSchomer 5 күн бұрын
I had never seen or heard of this toy before. Very cool looking missing piece of history. Great video. Great points also. I often refer to modern toys as "what passes for a transformer today" for exactly the reasons you gave. Looking behind you I see Fire Duke and j Dekker combined, goldran, and fighbird combined with granbird. These in my opinion are a few of the greatest transformers ever made.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 5 күн бұрын
@@DonSchomer thanks so much! If you're a Brave fan, check out the newest video.
@anthonybird546
@anthonybird546 19 күн бұрын
Man, you've nailed what it is that I love to collect and motivated me. I loved Diaclone, Microman, and Micro-Change years before I met the Transformers. It's why I've chosen to mostly focus on Diaclone, because of the quality, the connection to the past, it's sophistication, and liberation from having to peg itself to characters.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 19 күн бұрын
@@anthonybird546 well said! I intend to cover some other toy lines of similar quality in my next few videos. Hopefully you'll like them too!
@DeathInTheSnow
@DeathInTheSnow 19 күн бұрын
My dude, the current Legacy/Studio Series line is not for kids. The kids toys are still out there! Did you even try out the Smash Changer Optimus Primal?? That thing is rad!
@rickblaver4525
@rickblaver4525 8 күн бұрын
Dude, one of my babysitters had that. Was worried I might break it lol
@aworldmadeofcardboard3692
@aworldmadeofcardboard3692 17 күн бұрын
Very nice video. I had the first Diaclone vehicle you showed. Neat little toy. Never knew of thos guy. Just beautiful.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 17 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@havanowoncheese
@havanowoncheese 21 күн бұрын
This is a great video. Interesting toy and your passion comes through. This is why we collect toys. I look forward to seeing more videos from you.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@havanowoncheese thanks so much!
@timm4117
@timm4117 10 күн бұрын
I had that same transformer when I was 9
@VJFranzK
@VJFranzK 12 күн бұрын
G1 actually looked real in both forms, with transformations that were POSSIBLE, and didn't require turning into mechanical mush as in those films
@LodanSD
@LodanSD 10 күн бұрын
When I was a kid, my favorite toyline and show wasn't Transformers, it was M.A.S.K.!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 10 күн бұрын
@@LodanSD I'm considering featuring them in an episode, as I'm a fan too.
@jesse412
@jesse412 22 күн бұрын
Awesome and informative video!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 22 күн бұрын
@@jesse412 thank you!
@dachannelfire7049
@dachannelfire7049 21 күн бұрын
That's why I buy a lot of Cybertron stuff. The Cybertron figures are often more complex than G1, but have that chunky transformation. I think some officially licenced figures are still great like the SS dinobots. Interesting video for sure, never heard of this figure before. 1960s - 1980s Japanese robots had this great aesthetic no one can replicate for some reason!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
So agree! I especially love the 1980s Japanese Popy combiners and plan to do videos on some of them soon.
@user-hc5zl5nq1q
@user-hc5zl5nq1q 9 күн бұрын
The demon horns, to me, resemble some samurai helmets which would explain why it was put on a hero figurine sense it came from Japan.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 9 күн бұрын
Good call!
@kidchuckle
@kidchuckle 14 күн бұрын
I did recently dip into the new diaclone toys. really fun. something really fun about those dianaut pilots subscribed
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 14 күн бұрын
@@kidchuckle thanks! I do love New Diaclone, but it feels totally different than the original to me. The new pilots keep losing limbs.
@kidchuckle
@kidchuckle 13 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum yeah so tiny...
@theafroalien3169
@theafroalien3169 19 күн бұрын
Very nice presentation and information…subscribed
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 19 күн бұрын
@@theafroalien3169 thank you much!
@LuluTeala
@LuluTeala 18 күн бұрын
9:43 I very much see where Bayverse Starscream got his inspiration from! Very informative video!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 18 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@UToobUsername01
@UToobUsername01 18 күн бұрын
The best designs are by Shoji Kawamori (he did Optimus Prime and VF-1 Valkyrie mecha in SDF Macross) because he tries to keep the transform as close to a mech as possible. For example if a human was riding inside the cockpit of the robot when that robot transforms the pilot of the robot doesn't get killed during the transformation. You see this design philosophy in Star Scream and Optimus Prime where you could be the guy inside the robot and control it but if you had to transform back to vehicle mode you don't have to move because the stuff transforms around that pilot meaning it would be considered a mecha as well as autonomous robot. Let us say Starscream was just an AI controlled machine and had no spark in him? A GI Joe could just control the machine as if it were a regular vehicle and not have to die when converting to different modes. Why is Shoji Kawamori significant? He designs it to be realistic enough that we as adult could imagine it to exist. If you like Transformers you owe it to yourself to check out Macross (a whole science fiction show based on transforming space mecha). The same philosophy behind Optimus Prime and StarScream is applied to the transforming valkyrie fighter where the pilot will never get dizzy since the cockpit is the centre-of-mass and so when flying if the pilot transform quickly to robot mode he doesn't have to move. Instead the parts around the cockpit shift and turn and twist to get the robot. All the pilot does is sit in upright position where the chair faces up when going into robot mode. (it sits horizontaly when in space fighter mode) I think Optimus Primes simple transformation is why he is so iconic. The realistic designs have always been my fave transformers over the "robots sitting in fetal position inside a shell of a vehicle" designs. The latter is very lazy and not as pleasing as the simpler and more mecha style transformers. This is why I think I would like to see Transformers rebooted as a mecha show where the aliens are not really aliens but drone AI we sent out to fight on other planets. So for example Optimus Prime is just a rover that delivers cargo but we can take control over the vehicle to manually control it. There is no war between decepticons and autobots, there is just humans using transformers as mecha. (it's as common as using a gun in modern times for self defence. The robot form is how we deal with harsh environments which are not pleasant to walk about in so the robot mecha mode is like an armored spacesuit which is useful for when you have to attack at extremely close range. IE space monster rushes you down very fast to close the distance and you want to punch its face in with an armored fist or cut him up with a lightsaber type weapon)
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 18 күн бұрын
@@UToobUsername01 you're pretty much describing the original Diaclone story. The car robots were just transforming mecha suits. It wasn't until marvel was brought in to craft a new backstory that the robots gained sentience.
@UToobUsername01
@UToobUsername01 18 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum yes that's why the insectocons had cockpits. lol I would like to see a return to this idea that humans had to make the robots themselves to solve problem of navigating dangerous environments and then fight whatever animals aliens would attack them while they are trying to mine resources and live there. I want more science fiction and less science fantasy is what I am saying. Because my fave designs are ones where people can sit inside the robot mode and not die when the robot transforms into a vehicle. The mecha Idea is useful because if the Alt modes are not disguises, it means they can start to look like other things rather than just civilian vehicles. They could for example have spider mechas that just look cool and not have to look like a LITERAL giant spider. Do you understand? The purpose of the robot is merely to get around and fight properly not to hide from stuff. And if it gets damaged in a fight there is parts that can be replaced so we don't have to worry about the writers constantly having to create plot armor for why a character doesn't die after so many hits. They can have say starscream "die", and it's just his body but his mind is kept in a black box or something so he can be placed in a new machine. (so more realism in battle scenes where robots are getting regularly destroyed in gorey ways that appeals to adults more) I think the reason I like mecha shows is that yes there is real danger in every fight. But for cartoons they never let the good guy wreck the bad guy and blow him to pieces. (ie they have to keep him alive so there is more episodes)
@lyokomajor
@lyokomajor 21 күн бұрын
That head is very much Megatron. Damn.
@HeyZeusMtz
@HeyZeusMtz 21 күн бұрын
Oh yes. Lots of contemporary Megatrons turn into a similar vehicle.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@lyokomajor you are so right!
@beastmanreview009
@beastmanreview009 19 күн бұрын
Very cool!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 19 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@GhostPrimeReviews
@GhostPrimeReviews 20 күн бұрын
The gun was chosen because he's an earth mode. "Robots in Disguise" It should be mentioned that the first car Diaclone was the countach LP500S (later becoming Sunstreaker) Great video, love your collection!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 19 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@robflemming4246
@robflemming4246 10 күн бұрын
I've always loved the Decepticons more than the Autobots. The bad guys are just more interesting.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 10 күн бұрын
@@robflemming4246 its almost like the good guys weren't allowed to be fun.
@NinjaNakabim
@NinjaNakabim 21 күн бұрын
transformers was going for a "robots in disguise" thing obviously... but yeah, this seems more like an upgraded megatron than Galvatron was. Hell, its even just megatrons head with "technically" a crown on it. Its funny because future iterations of Megatron... I guess starting with Beast Machines, ditched staying in disguise for more otherworldly alt modes... so this is a glimpse of what might have been. Another thing I should look into, Derrick J. Wyatt loved this stuff... i should go back through the art books to see if he ever considered putting or "hid" stuff like this in animated.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
Good point about Beast Machines, a series I haven't given enough attention to in my own collecting.
@nickperoncomedy
@nickperoncomedy 21 күн бұрын
I recently got back into collecting Transformers and, yeah, you are 100% correct. Those 84/85 toys were a league of their own. The design philosophy was on the detail of the vehicle mode and how to male that a robot and that robot did not conform to a pre-established esthetic. I miss that. Now it's all panel forming to make a car look like a specific character that has to look a specific way for a brand. Anyway, really enjoyable stuff. I am envious of your Dia Atlus. His treads in good shape? The ones I find online are usually sans treads (and literally anything else, really 😂😂) He's on my grail list.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@nickperoncomedy thanks so much! Dia Atlas is actually a grail for me too. What you're seeing on the shelf is the Titans Return version, not the original.
@danmccarthy4700
@danmccarthy4700 17 күн бұрын
Dude thank you. THANK you for summing up so succinctly why I love G1 Transformers so much. I love being able to pick up say, Skids as a Honda and have a robot 15 seconds later. You legit need an engineering degree to operate many of the newer toys. Like I have Studio Series Bumblebee from the Bumblebee movie and it took me 20 minutes to compact him into his VW mode (and that's with watching transformation tutorials on KZfaq!). Guess what? He's still in VW mode! I haven't touched him since. The G1 toys to me are much more fun to actually mess with, although that feeling of quality may be a bit of a facade. My original 1986 Smokescreen that I broke within a week of getting him as a kid will certainly attest to that.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 17 күн бұрын
@@danmccarthy4700 so glad to be discovering other like-minded folks through this channel! Fans of simple, blocky, die-cast transforming robots unite!
@joeblaster8770
@joeblaster8770 19 күн бұрын
14:32 call him devilbot the hellish Autobot warrior.
@steampunkster2023
@steampunkster2023 13 күн бұрын
Diaclone? I had one and it's Trailblazer. The metal on that toy ruined the plastic leg.
@sunniedunbar6889
@sunniedunbar6889 17 күн бұрын
You are so right. Dicast Metal makes the best toys. I got a working gold colored metal lighter, that transforms into a robot. Found it in an NYC pawn shop back in the 80s.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 17 күн бұрын
Man, those guys are both strange and amazing! I need to get one.
@jasonx2808
@jasonx2808 8 күн бұрын
Honestly thought this was going to be about Cosmo Countach from 1978.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 8 күн бұрын
A great design for its time for sure, but I'd definitely classify it as belonging to an earlier era of transforming toy.
@raulzavala9061
@raulzavala9061 20 күн бұрын
I recognize two of those diecast robot toys behind you that I was gifted as a kid, the Goggle V and the Daiturn 3.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
@@raulzavala9061 good eye!
@lanoche
@lanoche 16 күн бұрын
I am sorry, I missed a lot of what you said cause my jaws was on the floor while staring at your Brave collection. Oh and that Goggle Robo, Combatler V, achine Dolphin, and other vintage sentai and Godaikin stuff are cool too I guess. Lol I personally only have King Exkaizer, GaoGaiGar, and Goldymarg. Original Brave stuff are just extremely expensive nowadays to collect.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 16 күн бұрын
@@lanoche I was very lucky to have begun collecting in the late 1990s, when all of this was so much cheaper! I've still been able to pick up some great stuff at good prices in recent years, but it's a lot fewer and farther between. My apologies to your jaw, by the way!
@UToobUsername01
@UToobUsername01 18 күн бұрын
On the topic of combiners: I only really like combiners if the combining happens in space in a zero G environment. I think the concept of docking with a spaceship (like a ship joins up to another ship to become one bigger ship makes a lot of sense in space, but not on land imo). I never like combination on ground. It just feels like it works best in space.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 18 күн бұрын
@@UToobUsername01 so true the amount of propulsion and maneuverability required to do this on the ground.
@Darkz3ed
@Darkz3ed 16 күн бұрын
As a newer Transformers collector, I have been fascinated by the story of Transformers and vintage designs. Not as vintage as Diaclone, but the Armada-Energon-Cybertron era which is my favourite overall. as I consider the last true callback to the glory of the G1 figures. Energon and Cybertron figures are chunky, heavy duty and tough efigies, that contrast with the more abbreviated and complex figures of today. I wish we could get those older figures with the engineering and articulation that is standard nowadays. Imagine Dia Attacker with the gimmicked "automorph" bu with the articulation of a Legacy figure. There are so many designs I would love to see them revisit with modern sensibilities. I knew of Dia Attacker by a 2019 comic, but I never knew it was designed by the same guy that made the Veritechs.
@hamcheese512
@hamcheese512 20 күн бұрын
That VFX fighter incarnated to Jet Fire or Sky Fire
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
@@hamcheese512 and then got stuck in legal limbo hell between Bandai and Harmony Gold!
@cptwigglefuffle
@cptwigglefuffle 21 күн бұрын
Fantastic video and thanks for telling me about this particular Diaclone figure I knew the history of diaclone but as you said even this guy gets overlooked I saw some brave series figures in the background, that's so cool It makes me sad that other TF fans are just unaware of or just have no interest in the brave series considering the history and connection it has There's tons of transforming robot anime from the 80s and 90s like Galvion, Megazone 23, Gold Lightan, Baldios, Brave series etc Definitely subscribing. Hope you cover more Diaclone, Chogokin (new and old) and other transforming robots. Personally i only have the chogokin Leopardon from the japanese spiderman series and it can transform from the Marveller ship into the actual Leopardon robot itself It's a newer show but you might wanna check out Bang Bravern which is releasing its titular transforming robot toy in 2025 lol
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
I will definitely check that out! You mentioned both of the ideas I'm wavering between for the next episode: Takara Brave or the history of Super Sentai leading up to a discussion of the DX combiners. What do you think I should go with?
@cptwigglefuffle
@cptwigglefuffle 21 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum I think either is fine but I'd definitely love to see some videos regarding the brave series, if you ever get around to king of braves GaoGaiGar, that would be cool too
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
​@@cptwigglefufflehe isn't first on my list, but I definitely intend to get to him!
@arctrooper999
@arctrooper999 20 күн бұрын
My dad sent me some toys when he was stationed in Okinawa in the 70's, one was an orange and black vehicle that came with a 4 inch figure in green and gray armor I think, it had a spring loaded eject seat on the back and I think one of the stickers said Don Hakka or something?
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
@@arctrooper999 sounds like Microman. I couldn't tell you the specific toy, but vehicles for 4 inch figures in the 1970s would have been right up their alley.
@bluebraixen
@bluebraixen 20 күн бұрын
Is it some sort of Starbood from Starzinger?
@tyronebee7209
@tyronebee7209 17 күн бұрын
Vintage Star Wars R2-D2 was my "first" Transformer. As a kid, I used to put him in a 90 degree tilt and pretend that he was a cannon. It worked because the bottom of him was an opened barrel. LOL!!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 17 күн бұрын
@@tyronebee7209 I did the same, except I always imagined he was posing as a trash bin!
@lukatronic3365
@lukatronic3365 20 күн бұрын
On a side note combattler's popy figure looked more like individiual vehicles as compared to voltes v which lookes more like body parts split into smaller pieces. Also daimos is pronounced more like die-mows as opposed to day-mos however great video i enjoyed! 👍
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
@@lukatronic3365 thank you!
@django60617
@django60617 5 күн бұрын
Great video I miss when transfromers came with the little guys with magnet feet. Im curious have you made a or know of a video about displaying transformers,I got back into collecting transformers then went back into my old collection and remembered they display poorly,it always looks like a cluttered mess to me no matter what.It seems like less is more with transformers when it come to display.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 5 күн бұрын
I definitely agree that less is more. Unfortunately, space is also hard to come by as one's collection grows. I'm constantly struggling to find space for new acquisitions, myself.
@vustvaleo8068
@vustvaleo8068 21 күн бұрын
there is also Tatsunoko's Gold Lightan as in a sentient robot that turns into a golden cigarette lighter and his friends who turns into tools and stationary, the toys are made by Bandai.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@vustvaleo8068 I was just showing that design to my son yesterday, as in "can you believe they actually produced this thing?".
@githug6508
@githug6508 13 күн бұрын
His vehicle mode kinda looks like Starsaber
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 13 күн бұрын
@@githug6508 I hadn't considered that. Good call!
@nachofernandezcomics5238
@nachofernandezcomics5238 19 күн бұрын
Diaclone and Microman are 2 awesome toy lines. Their transformable robot series were the stuff Hasbro got to create their TF brand. Solid die-cast toys, beautifully mades, with detailed vehicle/tiny object modes and powerful robot design. 1984-85 series 1 &2, for me are the BEST toys in all the history of this brand. From 1986 the new toys specifically made for the toy brand became cheaper and less interesting, with notable exceptions.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 19 күн бұрын
Couldn't agree more! A big part of that was because Diaclone, itself, started churning out cheaper quality toys after the 1982 releases due in large part to an economic recession in Japan. Going simpler and all plastic saved the company money and made their toys cheaper for parents to buy too. Fortunately, there were some other equally awesome toy lines happening around the same time that are well worth checking out. Stay tuned for future videos!
@alienrefugee51
@alienrefugee51 18 күн бұрын
The heft thing definitely applies more to S1 figures, more than S2, or thereafter. But yeah, the heft with a lot of the G1 stuff was partly what made it feel special. I sometimes think, what if I brought back a TF from today, back to 1984? I used to think that kids would be in awe, but now I'm not so sure. Maybe we would still find the original G1 figures more appealing? I know if I brought back my SoC GX-71 that that would get their attention.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 18 күн бұрын
@@alienrefugee51 great question I've asked myself on more than one occasion. Sadly, I think it came down to marketing and hype more than quality for 80s kids. I still can't believe GoDaiKin was on American toy shelves at the same time as Transformers and I totally missed them.
@alienrefugee51
@alienrefugee51 18 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum Also, the packaging/artwork played a role as well. The look of those G1 boxes were like magnets to kids. Where I was, the GoDaikin stuff was only in the specialty hobby/toy stores. A bunch of my friends had them, like all of them.
@Lupenux
@Lupenux 4 күн бұрын
Nowadays the joy is in some Tobots (Young Toys) and Metal Cardbots (MGA Entertainment). Bandai and Takara have some fun stuff too, but it's japanese exclusive, which is shame.
@chrisandrew9840
@chrisandrew9840 10 күн бұрын
I really hate how modern basically lost the plot on transformation. It's become a game of more complicated=good and chasing show accuracy to the point the robot mode veneers are largely fake alt-mode bits. The satisfaction of finding how this vehicle part becomes a robot part isn't their anymore.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 10 күн бұрын
Absolutely!
@superpaul79
@superpaul79 20 күн бұрын
Oh... Oh my god! I had one of those!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
Had? Why don't you have it anymore??
@superpaul79
@superpaul79 20 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum I grew up pretty poor. Mom, Dad, and my brother had emigrated to the US from Poland. The family moved a lot. It may have gotten lost during a move. It may have been sold at a garage sale when I was six. It may be in a box at my cousin's house. Most of my old toys have gone missing. I got it for my sixth birthday back in 1985, when things were starting to look better for the family. No box, no instructions, but lots of fun. I didn't know what it was, but I knew it wasn't a Transformer. Now that I know what it is, I'm gonna have to try to track one down.
@PlasticonStudios
@PlasticonStudios 20 күн бұрын
Sold this guy years back love diaclone
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
Amen!
@PlasticonStudios
@PlasticonStudios 20 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum i did reviews of the cosmo car and the diatrain on my channel i need to get around and do a diaclone driver review soon
@kirbymarchbarcena
@kirbymarchbarcena 21 күн бұрын
I could surmise that Diattacker may also be a "Parts-former" considering that it has detachable two vehicles, fists, and horns. I also agree that collectors should buy Diaclone whenever Takara releases as this line have limited figures being sold.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@kirbymarchbarcena by that logic, Optimus Prime / Battle Convoy wouldn't be a Transformer either.
@anthonybird546
@anthonybird546 19 күн бұрын
@@kirbymarchbarcena I love that the Diaclone Reboot embraces partsforming along with amazing engineering.
@straker454
@straker454 21 күн бұрын
I think there's something to be said about Transformers, early Transformers, what one would consider to be the first Transformers needing to be a realistic alternate mode. I will say though that this figure you showed could be an excellent figure to revive in the likes of the Japanese late 80's early 90's Transformers. I'd certainly buy a modern interpretation for sure.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@straker454 Interestingly enough, they launched a reimagined Diaclone line in 2015 that's still going today, and they covered nearly all of the 1981 robots...but no Diattacker. I love the new series, but it's definitely more of a modern reimagining than a celebration of what made the vintage series exceptional. A reimagining in the spirit of the late '80s/early '90s Transformers though? I'd definitely be intrigued.
@straker454
@straker454 21 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum I had looked at the new Diaclone to see if I could make a "Cybertronian" out of them and they just...didn't hit the mark for me. There's a charm to early Diaclone missing from the new ones. That sort of 70's sensibility that is missing. A sort of 70's futurism and sci-fi of Japan that instead moved towards realism...and partforming, lol. I think that's something I liked about the Haslab version of Victory Saber. They retained all the fourishes from the original design that worked. I feel that Hasbro making Diattacker as an Autobot or Decepticon would be a great place to put it.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
​​​@@straker454​ yes, and I think Diaclone's move away from the charm you and I are looking for is purposeful, as was particularly evident when they released the new Battle Convoy as if to deliberately show the world that they were moving towards a very different vibe than anything that resembled classic Transformers. I love that retro futurism too, and late Chogokin/GoDaiKin remains my favorite place to get it. Too bad the future doesn't seem bright and shiny to kids anymore.
@straker454
@straker454 21 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum Right? That Battle Convoy was...neat but not a Convoy. I kinda wanted it until I watched a review for it. It's too bad they moved away from a more Transformers version of it, because the crossover appeal is lost. Meanwhile Hasbro is releasing Diaclone colored repaints of Transformers that have that feel. Shattered Glass Ultra Magnus is just Powered Convoy. Burnout is a Diaclone colored version if Skids and so on. Very true. You'd think retro futurism would be somewhat more popular but I guess that's only when it's been blown up like in Fallout, lol.
@davewire87
@davewire87 21 күн бұрын
I hope Takara has plans to release a new Dia-Attacker as part of their Diaclone reboot in the near future. Also, I was going to mention the Exarchon thing but a quick skim through the comments and it seems someone already has. Clearly you aren’t the only one who thinks Dia-Attacker’s design is worthy of villainy since someone working on the Transformers comics similarly had the idea.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
I'm really excited to know that!
@abcmaya
@abcmaya 19 күн бұрын
5:45 Voltes 5!!! That's the National Robot of the Philippines
@MrTommyTheWho
@MrTommyTheWho 20 күн бұрын
It was simply Hasbro's "fault". Here in Italy, I remember well, at the beginning of the eighties, the toy company GiG imported the complete Diaclone series and between 1983 and 1984 its sub-brand Car Robots renamed "Auto Robot - Trasformer" (without the N and S). The latter had a resounding success and despite coexisting with the traditional Diaclone it was immediately understood that this line was selling more. So Hasbro then merged this line with those of other companies (from which, for example, those that would have been Soundwave, Megatron or the Insecticons) and created the Transformers brand, which also arrived here in Europe as we know it today. It was a shame because the Diaclone - Micro Man line was really quality, interesting, playable, beautiful but was then forgotten for a long time.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
I don't fault Hasbro for what they did. After all, in America Takara had already tried selling these toys directly as Kronoform and Diakron, and it wasn't working. Hasbro knew how to sell these guys. I just regret what we lost in the process.
@MrTommyTheWho
@MrTommyTheWho 19 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum I agree. But in fact I put the word "fault" in quotation marks. I absolutely understand what Hasbro did and in the end they were completely right given the success it achieved. I'm sorry that the Diaclone line has been completely forgotten, at least until today: I've seen that many models are coming back in a modern way although they don't have the push of the "Transformers" brand which is now an absolute must.
@mushroomhill
@mushroomhill 17 күн бұрын
In the Alex Irvine book he talks about the golden age of Cybertron and that the reason the cybertronians have cockpits is a long-forgotten reason that even the Cybertonians don't know why but the truth is at one point in the long distant past Cybertonians were part of a larger alliance of other alien beings due to spacebridge technology. The spacebridge allowed them to venture further into the galaxy and share technology and knowledge with other alien races who the Transformers would accommodate their alt modes to allow humanoids of alien races to ride inside of them. It completely just dawned on me that that was probably that writers way of paying homage to Diaclone and toys like this.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 17 күн бұрын
@@mushroomhill or at least of explaining who the heck Optimus Primers trailer was for. Thanks for this info!
@IsiahTomas
@IsiahTomas 21 күн бұрын
That big guy sure does resemble Overlord.....
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
Good call. Hadn't even thought of that!
@JohnnyMcJim
@JohnnyMcJim 21 күн бұрын
I hope Takara does a new version for their Diaclone reboot line. I already got Diabattles, Big Powered, and Great Robot Base.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
They were going in order of release for a while and then jumped to Battle Convoy, skipping Diattacker in the process. I hope they will go back too, but even if they do, I suspect it will be drastically different. While I love all the new releases, so much of the original charm is lost in the adaptation too.
@dariusbautista2247
@dariusbautista2247 18 күн бұрын
Wow...
@thebeestingconspiracy
@thebeestingconspiracy 19 күн бұрын
To make a real comment this is a good video and thank you for showing me a cool toy I've never seen
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 19 күн бұрын
You are most welcome!
@pixelated.dreams
@pixelated.dreams 18 күн бұрын
Deathsaurus is that you?
@pedwards10
@pedwards10 21 күн бұрын
I thought some of the toys that made up the eventual transformers line dated back to the mid 70s?? I remember seeing dates like 1974 on my old transformers.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
Good question! 1974 is the year Microman began. Some of the G1 Transformers (Megatron, Soundwave, Reflector, and a few others) came from Microchange, a 1982 subset of the Microman line. So they can have a 1974 copyright and still be more recent than the 1981 Diattacker.
@Gambit771
@Gambit771 17 күн бұрын
Does intuitive mean something else in murica?
@royguadz
@royguadz 16 күн бұрын
is that a combattler v or voltes v displayed on the background?
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 16 күн бұрын
@@royguadz do you mean on the shelf behind me? That's Soul of Chogokin Combattler. Not a fan of SOC, but it was the closest I could get to affording the original.
@jamesbartle9617
@jamesbartle9617 18 күн бұрын
I hear ya and agree. Gen 1 transformers or tankar before they joined Hasbro. I also like the older generation of video games
@jeremiahsacks2868
@jeremiahsacks2868 20 күн бұрын
Now I want an alternate universe where this guy was the villain and not Megatron.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
@@jeremiahsacks2868 same!
@jeremiahsacks2868
@jeremiahsacks2868 20 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum also completely unrelated but what are your thoughts on the missing link optimus prime?
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
@@jeremiahsacks2868 I seriously debated whether or not to give him a whirl, ultimately deciding that, while I respect the attempt to marry blocky retro with modern posability, the G1 original was perfect in my eyes; posability was never a concern for me. In fact, about fifteen years back, I bought three different versions of the original and kitbashed them to create a perfect version that never previously existed. Might need to do a video on that one day.
@mrsamaritan6881
@mrsamaritan6881 16 күн бұрын
"Heft" is not a attributes of Transformers. As long as it's quality make, that's all that matters.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 16 күн бұрын
I would argue that "heft" and "quality" go hand in hand and we're a critical component of the appeal of Early Modern transformation, but you are certainly welcome to see it differently.
@myang12003
@myang12003 21 күн бұрын
Transformers don’t use diecast anymore because diecast is more expensive than plastic
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
True. In fact, Diaclone put a stop to its usage of die-cast before Hasbro even acquired the rights because there was a major economic recession in Japan in (I believe) 1983. Thus the Diaclone toys after 1982 are pretty cheap for the most part. I do believe you can create great heft with good design and quality plastic; diecast just helps.
@amirseandeelopez5549
@amirseandeelopez5549 19 күн бұрын
Adult with kids mind, nuh uh more like kid with a adult body
@davariusjessup3943
@davariusjessup3943 13 күн бұрын
I think my brothers and I had this as kids
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 13 күн бұрын
Lucky!
@tennozeorymer
@tennozeorymer 16 күн бұрын
1. Delegitimizing Raideen as the first transformable robot is hard to excuse. 2. Voltes V is pronounced "Vol-tess," not "Volts." 3. Daimos is pronounced "Die-mohs," not "Day-mohs."
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 16 күн бұрын
I appreciate the feedback. Thank you! As for Raideen, calling him the first also ignores the Horikawa Changeman and others like him. That's why I'm focusing on what I call The Early Modern Era of Transforming Robots. Raideen transformed for sure; just not in as sophisticated a fashion as what followed.
@SacKingJOSER916
@SacKingJOSER916 19 күн бұрын
Diaclone
@OdaVenom
@OdaVenom 6 күн бұрын
13:59 so... basically you push his own long dee so hard into him, hes tee jumps up... I believe it's "a great design" modern toy makers trying to void.
@nerdyogericgutierrez8601
@nerdyogericgutierrez8601 21 күн бұрын
I think you need to go here in Asia or talk to collectors. I think you missed Micronauts that was imported from Japan in the late 70's. that toyline was under the Microchange
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
Didn't miss it. Cut it for time. Though Microman (and Micronauts) predate Diattacker, the Microchange line does not. At some point, I'm planning to do a video charting the progression of Action figures in Japan, in which Microman will play a large role.
@KiLDELTA
@KiLDELTA 20 күн бұрын
I had the horikawa monster robot, walking robot and the heads pop up into monster/animal
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
I'm jealous. How did it work? The pictures show a controller of some kind.
@KiLDELTA
@KiLDELTA 20 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum Mine was a later model, which were powered by two D sized batteries at the back. Interior was made of metal including its gearbox and the outside is plastic. It was my favorite toy when I was a kid... sadly I remember breaking the gearbox when a piece of plastic from its neck got stuck in it.
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 20 күн бұрын
@@KiLDELTA you're really inspiring me to track one of these down. Sounds like some amazing childhood memories!
@ludgerwillgaster2095
@ludgerwillgaster2095 20 күн бұрын
I do Gundam kit cross over builds....love how to make character cross a line.....felt the star wars cross over wasn't true it was star wars character's
@sonerec725
@sonerec725 21 күн бұрын
i would disagree on heft of diecast metal being something we need back given almost every time its been brought back it rarely goes well
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@sonerec725 I hope to discuss in future videos that heft does not necessarily need to mean metal. You can have substantial, quality plastic that attains a similarly satisfying feel. In fact, Machine Robo is an excellent example of die-cast toys that managed to feel flimsy and cheap anyway due to poor design.
@Phonesavanh-dd7oh
@Phonesavanh-dd7oh 18 күн бұрын
If transformers cartoon was made after the toys … I don’t know why they made pistol gun as a leader opposite to a truck . It should have been shock wave (toy base I mean ) at least we kids can play with it and they look cool next to each other .
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 18 күн бұрын
And, even if they were going to go with a gun, the Microchange Robocolt was a way better gun.
@mrsamaritan6881
@mrsamaritan6881 16 күн бұрын
The "Changeman" isn't a transformer. He just has a gimmick to remove his helmet. Not the same thing.
@thebeestingconspiracy
@thebeestingconspiracy 19 күн бұрын
Magnetic boots, yo. Use your imagination
@josephzanabria9369
@josephzanabria9369 18 күн бұрын
love this video, i want to buy that transformer, whats the spelling of this first transformer?
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 18 күн бұрын
@@josephzanabria9369 I'm glad you enjoyed it. He is the Diaclone Diattacker.
@josephzanabria9369
@josephzanabria9369 18 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum awesome! I just checked it!, man, thats so expensive!! hahah, I may just have to wait , its like fishing, just wait until the right time, man I never thought that this disclose was teh first transformer, this info needs to be spread!!! Diaclone's Diattacker should have its own comic book series!
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 18 күн бұрын
@@josephzanabria9369 thanks much! Yes, he's pricey, but the Kronoform version runs a bit cheaper. The only difference is the missiles fire weaker due to American safety standards.
@josephzanabria9369
@josephzanabria9369 18 күн бұрын
@@classiccomicsforum ohhh, mm I want the Japanese original one, how can I search that one, just by taker made?, I the Kronoform one made by hasbro ?
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 18 күн бұрын
@@josephzanabria9369 kronoform was still made by Takara but released in the US. It came out right before they made the deal with Hasbro for Transformers.
@Phonesavanh-dd7oh
@Phonesavanh-dd7oh 18 күн бұрын
If transformers cartoon was made after the toys … I don’t know why they made pistol gun as a leader opposite to a truck . It should have been shock wave (toy base I mean ) at least we kids can play with it and they look cool next to each other .Megatron toy looks like he took viagra before fighting the autobots.
@onidaaitsubasa4177
@onidaaitsubasa4177 21 күн бұрын
Isn't that Wheeljack gen 1?
@classiccomicsforum
@classiccomicsforum 21 күн бұрын
@@onidaaitsubasa4177 yes, but he's not who the video is about if you keep watching.
@rageoftheredphoenix
@rageoftheredphoenix 10 күн бұрын
Wheeljack body. Without the head and arms.
The Missing Dinobot
12:05
Toys Down Under
Рет қаралды 101 М.
БАБУШКИН КОМПОТ В СОЛО
00:23
⚡️КАН АНДРЕЙ⚡️
Рет қаралды 16 МЛН
Finger Heart - Fancy Refill (Inside Out Animation)
00:30
FASH
Рет қаралды 25 МЛН
Secret Experiment Toothpaste Pt.4 😱 #shorts
00:35
Mr DegrEE
Рет қаралды 30 МЛН
How this "terrible artist" made MILLIONS
17:42
matttt
Рет қаралды 9 МЛН
Big Words (Transformers Animation)
1:25
MJ Art Studios
Рет қаралды 16 М.
The Problem With These Headlights
17:55
The Engineers Post
Рет қаралды 943 М.
Why Were Doctor Octopus's Arms So Realistic?
30:59
CGY
Рет қаралды 349 М.
Nokia's Clever Design That Created A Monster
16:33
Janus Cycle
Рет қаралды 247 М.
How Tesla made the WORST TRUCK EVER
31:05
Bart's Car Stories
Рет қаралды 1,3 МЛН
Reviewing & Rating 100 Transformers Masterpiece Toys
31:33
LUNA PARK K.K.
Рет қаралды 40 М.
The Most Hated Transformers Toy
10:18
Toys Down Under
Рет қаралды 55 М.