Pin saying BFDIA sucked was harsh, BUT to be fair... She did lose her limbs in episode 5. Edit: I legit did not expect BFDIA 6 to come out, so I had to edit this.

I 100% agree with the complete downgrade that is TPOT Pin. I actually never noticed some of these but Pin I already figured out. In bfb she had a good frienship like relationship with Coiny and was honestly a pretty relatable character for me. But in TPOT it just got thrown away and now she acts more like her in BFDI.

"Little submissive tennis ball" is the most amazing sentence ive ever heard. Also its not a friendship its a ship

Man, honestly this was one of the most sincere and correct videos talking about characters that changed, and I completely agree with Pen. First that Pen is my favorite character, especially in BFDI because the friendship and dynamics he had with Eraser, in BFB he was funny and smart, managing to fit in a team with newbies. And in TPOT where he has the chance to be even more dynamic with Eraser, they hardly speak to each other. I hope he redeems himself by getting back interactions with Eraser and working as a duo. Also, I miss Blocky, they literally broke the trio in the post split.

I feel like particularly for donut the problem is more of a lack of screentime. Donut got ALOT of screentime in bfb, and the writers want to focus on other characters. once the cast starts to thin, donut is going to get alot better.

Yeah. Pen's lost a lot of my love for a while (in favor of Eraser) but I want to see him stick around for those funny moments I loved from him before. I think it would be better if: 1. He went along with Eraser's escapades and did his own shenanigans, but more erratically, think BFB 6 with Free Food and BFB 9 with Black Hole. Would also fit with his personality with TPOT 2 and let him have an arch rival in the form of Death Pact Again. It'd sort of be like having a slice of post-split BFB in TPOT with his more laidback, more gag-focused way of solving problems. I feel like that could be his defining feature in a sea of logic oriented balls and mechanical minds 2. For a more wild idea, we could have something like a 2 team alliance. In this case with The Strongest Team on Earth. Since Pen, Eraser, and Snowball are somewhat established, they could sort of be similar to the Pen, Eraser, Blocky trio from before, though having a few slight differences. Bonus points for Another Name Than That's shenanigans with all 6 of their shared members I agree wholeheartedly with Pin. Please bring back therapy Pin. I'm kinda fine with Book as is now. Most of her lines seem to be her... trying her best but actually failing. I actually got a little chuckle out of the "stuck in a ball joke" because it shows how AWKWARD she is with this new batch. She wants to feel included and she doesn't feel like she's exactly getting anywhere (TPOT 4 chess scene) and she's overcompensating. Ice Cube needs new lines. Honestly she should have gotten out over Cloudy because Cloudy DID SOMETHING. Donut is a bit more boring. He's just kind of overshadowed by the ANNOYANCE THAT IS PIN. I like his animation, personality, and his personal object-charm, but he just did NOTHING of note so far. Saw kinda just got eliminated before she did anything of note. I thought she was fine, but whatever. Also idk I kinda prefered BFB Fries? He just seems a lot lesser here.

I think the reason the characters voices changed to be more obnoxious is because when season one was out their natural voices were like that and as the voice actors got older then their voices slowly got less and less recognizable, since TPOT is supposed to be something like going back to the style of the original BFDI they changed their voices up to be more childish which makes sense in my opinion

As a Pen fan lol, I definitely would say Pie is the reason why Pen lost some potential. Pie literally kicked Pen off, just for not preventing death, and I barely think Pie even prevented death either. I still think Pen has some good in the future of TPOT, if he isn't talking with Eraser he might be doing more stuff, like what he did in TPOT 2. Sure Pen might be uninteresting to some people, but he's not over. The writers would give the fan-favorites more screentime, at least in the future. Pin, kind of agreed. She became bland, but she's okay. Again, maybe some potential in the future. And I don't really have anything to say about the rest.

The way you put Saw's 8 gag in order is just hilarious to me. I straight up laughed. 😂

8:34 Probably cause Michael and Cary have grown alot since BFB

Thank gosh I'm not the only one who notices how the voices sound very weird and exaggrated.

time to see my opinions for every character in this video Pen - Yeah, he's just really boring now. His only personality is being Eraser's friend, which he barely interacts with now. Pin - Agreed, she's the most derailed character. I don't need explaining. Book - Umm... kinda? Ice Cube - Yep, she was perfect with actual lines, if voicing her is "hard," then why does Needle never get reused lines? Donut - Agreed, he's a bit more boring. He just doesn't feel the same way he did in BFB. Saw - *Y E S*

I think a big part of this is that ever since the split the writing has been... off. More so in tpot but you can see it in bfb too, like, it feels like a complete shift from pre-split in a lot of different ways. It feels like they oversimplified it way too much and are trying to make it something it's not.

I fully agree with what you said, another thing that has changed for me is the animation style, seriously, I can't be the only one who thinks the animation style has gotten worse, like in bfb the characters look better and especially with the limbs and faces, even the background that has changed color I don't like, with the original old one it seems more pleasing to the eye ( also for the intro ), then tpot for writing I don't like it so much

I was surprised Saw wasn't on here until the end. Great way to sum it up. But I mostly agree with your opinions, TPOT has made some characters bland, annoying, or just forgettable

Ha Pin, Pen they sound alike. Anyway really great analysis definitely made me miss the Old Pen a lot also finally someone else mentions the fact that a lot of the voices are just exaggerated now. It honestly made me get tired of certain characters like Golf Ball. (Oh yea ngl I was definitely expecting Book to become a kind of bland character after the arc was over)

Yeah, you're not the only one who realised about the voices changing Pin, donut, gold ball, book, etc... They sound uhhh... Slower? I dont know how to say it, but they sound very different

The reason why a lot of these characters aren't as good compared to other seasons is probably due to the fact that half of the characters barely get any screentime, and a lot of the focus is usually either on the fan favorites or the more important characters. I usually use the term, "purple edit" when it comes to contestants in any Survivor/Total Drama/Object Show related media, which can be summed up as a character/contestant not being given enough screentime and appear almost invisible as a result. This term was named after the Survivor: Nicuragua contestant Purple Kelly, who was best known for the purple streak in her hair and barely anything else. To name a few who fall into this category for me: Donut, Grassy, Pen, Tennis Ball, Book, Nickel, Bomby, Price Tag, Naily, Saw, Foldy, and even Teardrop at times, which is fair enough because she already competed in BFB but still. Name any others if I missed any, because I could be missing more players, but yeah. A lot of these characters need more expanding upon. I get it's hard to maintain less than 40 contestants but you still have to make them intersting and/or not flanderize them to the point where they aren't the same character.

I know maybe a lot of people didnt liked the TPOT2 episode, but despite of some scenes, I think its one of the best well written episodes of TPOT/BFB Team Death pact was genuine, caracteres were funny and with some lines,wtvr Yeah books said that line, i dont think was funny but it was interesting to hear her prespective Pin conflict was stupic, i prefered like a character like donut or barf bag to be mad at cheating, or even Saw to had more screentime than 8int everything My bigest problem with pin is that conflict was brought back on TPOT 3 The major problem with the witing of TPOT is like every episode seems to be writen by different people and they dont keeping the good consistence i love Satomis, Sams and carys writing, but sometimes are ruined with little things, like In TPOT1 gaty was so scared of being elimtaed and in TPOT3 and 4 she was so meh of being eliminated I know the episodes needs to be fast writted now that is a faster production hiatus but, dunno, early Bfb was shorter and had the time , so why TPOT no???

WHY BOOK!!!!!!!!!! She changed and now she's one of my favorite characters

Not Pin anymore after tpot 9.

Pin: is a compassionate friend and a wise leader in bfb Everyone loves her and everything she did pin: does one slightly annoying thing in tpot Everyone hates her (edit) well this aged like fine milk...

Also the taco-book arc wouldve been wayyy better if it started in bfb 6 when taco actually abandoned her team. It would’ve made the arc a masterpiece!

This may be bias but I’m sorry the Pen reasoning just sounds pitiful 😭, of course he’s not gonna get to do much when he’s not only gotten less screen time but he’s on a whole team who’s so far got pushed to the sidelines except Puffball & GB I’d say at least give him a chance until he does gets something to actually do As for everyone else Pin; spot on lmao Book: honestly I’ll take a Tpot book over Book with the IQ of a Fly anyday Saw: I love Saw but I get why some wouldn’t like her

It was weird to see such a big change to pin and other characters and not for the better they ruined pin by getting the old pin from BFDI and just x10 the bossy character trait and like some other people said The writers really want pin to get out by doing that. Btw I like how you compared the bro trio to school lol

Fr, SO MANY CHARACTERS have lost THEIR BEST PERSONALITIES EVER, I don’t know if it’s the “writing in a month” shenanigans or they’re just not doing anything.

Yeah I agree on all of these. The only thing that I just cannot see is "Tpot as a whole having terrible writing", specifically worse writing than pre split Bfb. Character derailment is a problem but the writing of the episodes is top notch, not a good point

I feel you man pin has been a boring character ever since tpot but the fact she was first safe… WOW just WOW

the difference between pin becoming nice and flower becoming nice is that they ease into it more with pin, flower used to be a jerk, dissapeared for most of bfdia, and was still mean in bfb but in post split she just became weird, people called her mean, but also they were her friend? but pin on the other hand had great development, in bfdia at the beginning she was still kinda rude, but became nicer over time in a way that makes it not feel too sudden and they acknowledge hwo how she changed in bfb.

Pin’s charicter was so ruined the creators are legit Mad about the derailment i am DEAD. FRICKING. SERIOUS!

I feel like for a lot of these I could just say to let it cook, y'know? I kinda feel like these plots could go places but pacing would be trash if we had development in the first 4 episodes, there's gotta be more time to chug plots along evenly and have it feel mellow and not too sudden. I definitely respect these opinions though, it makes sense. Just feel like all these characters could improve in the next like 20-25 episodes of TPOT

This is kinda like the spongebob evolution

One moment I found out of character for pin, was when she just gave two an apple for the meal at the Cafe , when pin canonically knows how to cook when she made a replica cake of flower back in bfdi 4

I agree with Book, I don’t like how the first episode of TPOT just made her a Leafy knockoff, (And Leafy is the worst kind of menace in BFB history, I’m glad she joined BFB post-split so we won’t be dealing with her for a long ass time.) and in the other TPOT episodes she’s just kind of there for her team. It’s quite sad, her only great episodes in BFB were BFB 13-15.

Hey so what I think is going on with Pin is that this is leading toward a sort of character arc like with book in bfb. I'm guessing she'll turn more and more bossy and mean and in some episode will be confronted by coiny or another member of her team about it. Making pin act like this was a conscious decision by the creators, a drastic change that everyone would pick up on the moment she started that in tpot ep. 2. This is definitely going to lead up toward some sort of confrontation, and an arc maybe where Pin has a heart to heart with some character like how she did in bfb with coiny. I love pin she was such a great character in bfb and i'd hate to see them revert all her growth in tpot, but I tend to recognize patterns pretty quickly and with how its looking now i think this is leading up to something important for her as a character. But, that's just a guess, I really hope her character gets saved at some point. After all, we're not even halfway into the season.

tpot for me feels more for younger ones then it was like they can hate everyone or love everyone or soul left

The boys trio reminds me of those really close friends you have that you can stop talking to for like a month or two and just talk again and not feel like you missed a beat

I think something they couldve done with pen is using his development from being on death pact to maybe change their dynamic a bit? They were together for canonical years so something that couldve changed, I myself had a very similar situation happen, the whole 'not having friends in class' and I connected and got closer with different people, who are now my best friends who I don't go a day without talking with, and trying to talk to my older friends was awkward and in some instances, I often realized we didnt get along anymore, something being done like this couldve been really nuanced, a part of me feels like they kind of did? Great video! You made some very strong points!

I definitely agree with some of your points. I also think Saw got robbed in TPOT. She was one of my favorites

I wish pin had been friends with leafy. But it was just bfdi 1a. Also I like your points, it's simply that nothing is marked down by writers, they just make stuff up using memory. And with tpot being ran by a new crew, they are of course, using a faded memory.

14:22 POV : there is an actual guy named Johnathan that laughed at it.

pin is one of my favorite characters and she has so much potential development that i really hope they use in later episodes

Wait I just realised. I think in TPOT all of their voices are more exaggerated AND a teeny bit glitchier if you know what I mean (except from donut and ice cube) Especially saw’s. Including this example: Hey stop fighting guys we’re TEAMAAAAAAAATES!!!! (team8s) Even in BFB he still did that AAAAAAAAAE thing.

Pin is just on her period the entire TPOT 💀

How is clock not on here, every line he says has to do something with winner, ruined his character massively.

Youre slowly becoming one of my favourite creators

4:11 unintentionally lip-sync?

I literally reliased that pin voice is a little more higher pitch in tpot then in bfb

This was before tpot 5 came out lol, cuz pen and eraser have lots of interactions

It’s honestly sad on how badly pins characters changed. I liked that after bfdi, she wanted become more nicer and not who she used to be. Bfb shows how she changed compared to Bfdi. But then in Tpot they threw all of that out of the window and made her go back to her Bfdi self. It’s honestly sad, let’s hope they fix her.

OH MY GOD i really needed someone to point out the fact that pin’s personality got completely derailed. her every word in tpot is so ooc

Pin is one of my favorite characters, and her dilemma makes me wish the split never happened so that she could have more interaction around her close friends she thrived with.

If I were to write book in tpot, this how I would do it. On her team, she tries her best to be like, "Hey guys! Remember when bfdia happened?" I honestly see her as being an extremely awkward and trying to fit in. I could see the other people on the team get annoyed of her and possibly not associate with her. She would have to learn that mentioning bfdia all the time won't help her make friends and she needs to talk about other things to make a bond with them. For example, talk about the previous challenges and her thoughts on them.

4:38 that was NOT bfb 11 bro☠️

Yeah I agree. Some people may not see it and it may be since they haven't been there in the long run of the show and maybe binged it through and not noticed the changes like the voices or personality, or even how they waved off some of the most greatest traits of the characters. I like tpot and and how some characters shine but scenes like where pin just made a big deal about cheating really ruined a bit. But a few characters like pillow, winner and clock do have visible changes and more screen time. Pillow has been one of my favourites at bfb but now she is even more

I think Donut saying “grrr” like that is a reference to how Snowball said “grrr” when he was eliminated back in BFDI

8:38 Yeah the voices sound weird because bfb 16 took FOREVER for development because they had to hire people, which of course included voice acting. So, that probably is why it sounds weird

And the creators say that tpot is supposed to be grander than bfb post split…

I love how I'm watching this even though I haven't really watched any of the tpot episodes; this is amazing!

I hear the voice changes too, oh my goodness I havent noticed them before.

Pens personality in tpot 1 - 4: *BLAND* Pens personality in tpot 5: *GOD*

wow, did not know about MANY of those things. like pen, maybe the voices have gotten tired or it's an audio editing issue, but i agree with you sincerely

16:21 thanks for that amazing sum up. Saws my favorite character and that made me smile lol.

I think Michaels voice got burnt out when doing flower in bfb, so the only scratchy voice he can do is Flowers and nearly identical variants of Flowers voice

Literal facts. Also this gives me ideas for character development in my shows, so thanks.

Thing that could be mentioned is you see basically the split was because the people who worked on BFB wanted to do something different (I think)

This is when some of the other BFB characters getting Ruined. It’s basically losing our Interest in them. Especially when I wanted Tennis Ball be in a Friendship that he could get along with. I just had enough with him Following around Golf Ball so Much

With the voice changes it’s probably that the voice actors are getting older so they have to make their voices higher

this video is really making me remember how upgraded the icons got

I've been a Pin fan ever since I found this show almost a decade ago. Seeing what TPOT is doing to her is saddening. At least she was good in TPOT 4 and kinda in the middle in TPOT 5.

14:23 POV: Your name is Jonathan. Doorbell: There is a person at your front door. oh no

The thing in TPOT 2 was the only thing I remember Pen did in TPOT and now that I'm thinking about it the voices do sound a bit... different?

For Pen: Yea he was really interesting in BFB, and it’s sad to see him so bland, boring, and unfunny because he has been one of my favs since BFB 1. For Pin: She was literally my favorite female character until this irrational dumb Karen moments, I’m just hoping they drop the idea just like TPOT 4. For Book: BFB I don’t need explaining she was the worst in there, but in TPOT Idk if they’re gonna develop her not so idk what to think of her yet. For Ice Cube: No explaining she’s the worst ever TPOT character ever. For Donut: I’m sad to see him get this less screentime in here, I’m just hoping he gets more interesting but he is still one of my favorites for now. For Saw: No explanation, she’s a bad character.

8:52 The voices sound a bit higher, I assume this is the case because of different ways of voice acting or readjustments,. Imo, Pen's BFB and TPOT voices only really sound different when played back to back like in this comparison. I like the deeper one better but I didn't even notice the voice pitch change until now.

You know the voices are probably just a bit higher pitched

i think this summes up for my brain why i don't like tpot as much as even bfdi, theres to much changing and alot of the caracters i like are either not in tpot or are compleatly changed, my fav character is leafy and even though she has lost all the reason for why i started liking her when i first saw the show, i still like her as who she came out to be in the end of bfb, but pin she just died after i watced tpot 2, i really wished something would be diffrent like, the pin being scared of her team cheating could have been done with just a few changes, they don't need to change the character for that

Some characters voices changed like golf ball, if you compare her voice in bfb to tpot

I have a very strong feeling in my guts that this is happened bc satomi isnt a writer anymore

The voices sound like they’ve been put through auto tune. I don’t think they sound more obnoxious, it just sounds like they’ve been run through some program or been pitched differently.

Me figuring out why saw says the most time EIGHT!: Ohh... that's why.

damn i'm glad this mf showed up on my recommended, stay consistent with this type of content and you'll go places fr

Especially in tpot5 i can see pin growing far from coiny which i loved how they were friends

What's crazy is that in the first few BFB episodes (I'd say like the first 6) is that Pen was the closest thing BFB had to a main protagonist. Now he's basically nothing.

I think the main reason why Pen wasn't as anxious as he was in BFB 1 was probably because he adapted to being alone with his friends. But in TPOT I see why you don't like him but I think there might be an arc on Eraser and Pen falling out.

I think they should do something like making her realize what she’s doing and go back to her bfb self.

I’m hoping this will change and the characters will change back to having a good personality

I can see a difference in pins voice. But I think it’s in tpot that makes pin sound more exaggerated.

I didn't laugh at the ball joke but when you said Johnathan it reminded me of how people confuse my name john for being short for Johnathan and write my name as Johnathan

when book mentioned the ball thing she meant the jawbreaker that taco was in [in bfb 2]

I hope future episodes of TPOT will bring back Pen and Eraser's old friendship. Both of them are my favorite characters too.

You should make your next video as characters who were bad and became better in TPOT

What they did to Pin in TPOT is honestly the same with what they did to Match in BFB 8. Match was doing REALLY GOOD without Pencil. She went ahead and made more friends and moved on with just trying to make sure Pencil is still remembered by trying to be like her. But the scene in BFB 8 was really random, harsh, and unexpected.

Even worse, EVERY CHARACTER RECEIVED A MAJORITY OF VOTES IN THEIR ELIMINATIONS

I know the voices are a little bit annoying

Now have characters who became better in TPOT (after BFB)

The Reason why donut said "GrR" like that is because the devs prob didnt wanna mess up the voice by doing an actual "grr" you even hear gelatin in bfb say "sigh" like something donut said, btw can someone tell me if im wrong

12:24 taco couldn't tell her team her plan because book would be "oH sHE'S aBaNDoNiNg US AgAIN!!!" plus taco's team hated her because she "abandoned" them

Book feels like one of their characters where they wanted them to be eliminated but it just didn’t happen. Considering Match got eliminated due to a similar conflict like Books, I feel like they wanted Book to be eliminated because of her conflict too, but it ended up not happening and now it feels like they don’t really have a plan for her. It’s like her, ig “story” is basically over and she’s kind of just there now. I also believe the creators said BFB was more of the story side while TPOT would be where they try to improve the quality of episodes, which is why TPOT doesn’t rlly have like any interesting story writing or whatever

yeah the voices change prob because better mic?

Hey Man just wanted to say. love the video bro 👏 I love when people talk about bfdi. And Trust me I'll be watching. Funny how Grassy Is a running joke now lol. Keep up the good work Yeah see ya 👍